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12:49 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Heretic Monkey
How did the language checker go? Is it still in place? — Heretic Monkey 5 secs ago
 
1:42 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Cordes
@FabioMendesSoares: Audit questions are supposed to be chosen to be fairly unambiguous, far from the boundary where reasonable people are likely to disagree about whether it needs closure / deletion. (Reasonable people can still downvote). I think you're conflating "people might disagree on whether a post is good" with "stupid audit UI assumes you think it's bad if you click share feedback". I think everyone agrees that's an unfortunate or non-obvious design, and unless / until it's fixed, something you'll have to remember while reviewing. — Peter Cordes 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Cordes
For everything other than audits, yes, it's ok if you disagree with people sometimes in the gray areas. As long as you agree on the major points, like that posts which barely or don't answer the question, and mainly exist to send traffic to some ad-supported website, are bad posts. (But that would be a case of disagreeing with 99% of the community, not 95%) — Peter Cordes 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Cordes
(It's not rare to see a meta post about a failed audit where they picked the right answer, but the audit was wrong, e.g. with a bad question used as a good-audit test, often because it was old and maybe popular but not well-written. Like a few times a year make it to the hot meta sidebar, probably more that don't. So if you're worried about the gray area where reasonable people disagree, that's something that mods can fix on a case by case basis if a bad audit catches you. Like I said, audits are supposed to be unambiguous.) — Peter Cordes 1 min ago
 
2:02 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Someone_who_likes_SE
Are you mistaking Meta Stack Overflow for Stack Overflow? This looks more like a question for Stack Overflow. — Someone_who_likes_SE 1 min ago
 
2:12 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Sean
Yes @Someone_who_likes_SE, you are correct. Thank you for pointing that out. — Sean 38 secs ago
 
 
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4:45 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
To paraphrase Steve Jobs: "Just buy a new phone. Not that big of a deal." ;-) If you're like me, you're probably years out-of-date anyway and it's long past time, you've just been procrastinating until a good reason presented itself. Consider this your motivation. — Cody Gray ♦ 1 min ago
 
 
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6:40 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jeanne Dark
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
@JeanneDark I think they know that, and they're asking specifically for our help with improving their questions. — Cody Gray ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by ThunderKnight
@JeanneDark Thanks for the reply but that's a very generic reply, the answer to that post ( the to one ) has a question that is very far away from what I include in my questions. Also if I ask a question I spend time researching on it for eg- thisThunderKnight 15 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jeanne Dark
SO is a not a personal free help desk, instead we're working together to build a library of detailed answers to every question about programming. When your questions are not only in good shape, but also turn out to be useful to other users and gain upvotes that way, you may remove the strict rate limiting. If not, you can ask a (hopefully useful) question every 6 months. — Jeanne Dark 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jeanne Dark
@CodyGray Thanks. I understand. The OP is asking for specific advice on how to improve at least 5 questions. — Jeanne Dark 40 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
@JeanneDark :-) Yes, it may well be too broad, but I do not think it is a duplicate. — Cody Gray ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by ThunderKnight
@JeanneDark agreed that SO is a not a personal free help desk but I try to make questions helpful for the community too, eg-this, this, thisThunderKnight 41 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by MisterMiyagi
These questions all seem to be at neutral score, one is positive. AFAIK they should not contribute negatively to the question ban. It's probably more useful for you to ask a moderator to link you to any negatively received, deleted questions. — MisterMiyagi 37 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
@CodyGray any negative scoring deleted questions for this user we need to look at? — rene 17 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by ThunderKnight
@MisterMiyagi I want to know, whats the real logic, noOfUpVotes > noOfDownVotes on questions or something else. — ThunderKnight 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by MisterMiyagi
@ThunderKnight As the Q&A linked to by Jeanne Dark clarifies, the exact logic is intentionally kept secret. — MisterMiyagi 32 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by David C. Rankin
This has been a growing problem for the 7+ years I have contributed to SO. It gets worse each year. Simple search "anonymous downvote" on Meta and the number of questions related to the abuse of the anonymous downvote is staggering. You would think this would be fixed. — David C. Rankin 25 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by ThunderKnight
@rene I could find this on my recent deletes, and this one was, a deleted question by me was in a link in a question I asked. — ThunderKnight 22 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
Deleted questions, score <= 0: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 cc @rene (NOTE: ThunderKnight is no longer question-banned) — Cody Gray ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by ThunderKnight
@CodyGray Thank you very much sir. — ThunderKnight 31 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by ThunderKnight
@CodyGray The ban was re instated after a few seconds. — ThunderKnight 5 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
Yes, you are right on the border of the threshold for the question block. You received an upvote on one of your questions about 25 minutes ago, which put you above the threshold, so you were no longer blocked. Then, 3 minutes ago, you received a downvote on a different one of your questions, which put you below the threshold and reinstated the block. This is a bit weird, but normal. It is good news! It means you are very close and can easily dig yourself out of the ban by getting a few upvotes. — Cody Gray ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by oguz ismail
Wrt Q5, What does the following bash command mean? is a bad title and deserves a downvote regardless of the question body. — oguz ismail 1 min ago
 
8:00 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
Even if you get an answer to that question, how is that helpful in solving a practical programming problem? We're not a trivia collection, wikipedia perfectly fills that gap. — rene 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
"and deprecating an API needs reasons, not personal opinions.". Er. Not exactly. A deprecation may happen because the maintainer of a package thinks "new approach B is better than old approach A", which no matter how well justified it's going to be a matter of opinion (and there are going to be always some that disagree). Or because "C already exists that provides the same functionality than A, but has a more consistent fooBar, thus will remove A to simplify maintenance and documentation". Some things will be simpler, but that the trade off is worth it's a matter of opinion as well. — yivi 12 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
True, you are not asking about the "answerers opinion" about the deprecation, you are hopefully asking for answerers to rely the hopefully documented opinion of the maintainers about these deprecations. — yivi 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
But then... that is the answer, @yivi. I see no reason whatsoever for this question to be closed as opinion-based. Perhaps a bit too unfocused, as you're asking about all of the deprecated APIs, instead of just a specific one. — Cody Gray ♦ 28 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
Yes, @CodyGray, that was going to be my next point. Even if not actually OB (my second comment), the question is not adequately scoped. Is it about a number of deprecations? All the deprecations happening on the Time APIs (which might happen for different reasons, about deprecations? Etc. That on top of the general "please find for me where the discussion about these deprecations took place", which I find rather not useful and not practical. — yivi 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
Maybe you should write an answer expressing your concerns. :-) — Cody Gray ♦ 11 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user239216
@Cody Gray Yes the question is mainly about time APIs, because I found them a little mess and don't think there's a security hole or other things to abandon them desperately. I will try to narrow question scope next time :) — user239216 44 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
Not next time. Fix this question while you can. — rene 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user239216
@rene The friendly mod has already helped me on that. — user239216 13 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by nbk
you need a hobby — nbk 52 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
Where did you find a friendly mod?? — Cody Gray ♦ 58 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by 41686d6564
@user239216 Cody is even scarier with the new profile pic :D — 41686d6564 1 min ago
 
9:07 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick
I mean... The reopen vote isn't actually binding like a mod close vote is — Nick 32 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by ThunderKnight
Thanks for the detailed answer, will keep this is mind in the future. — ThunderKnight 14 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
@Nick well, I'm not going to counter vote a mod vote, so I would rather consider them binding but it is free for everyone to pick a fight with Cody. I'm passing on that one, I've better things to do. — rene 1 min ago
 
9:35 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
I agree that this might well be a more interesting and more useful question. I do not, however, agree that the existence of more interesting questions in alternate universes makes this one primarily opinion-based. If the answer to the question about obsolescence is that the devs had 10 beers, then that's the answer, and it might well be useful to someone who is considering whether it is reasonable to continue using those "obsolete" APIs. — Cody Gray ♦ 29 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user239216
"Why does it matter what the reasons for deprecating are? It is trivia at best." By learning an deprecated API programmers can avoid same mistake in the future. Why do you say it is trivial? — user239216 8 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick
"By learning an deprecated API programmers can avoid same mistake in the future." - What mistake? Deprecation implies change (potentially for totally arbitrary reasons), not mistakes @user239216 — Nick 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user239216
@Nick Deprecating or even deleting an API(such as stime()) will break old programs so such decisions are made very carefully. Can "totally arbitrary reasons" really make a deprecation accepted? — user239216 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick
@user239216 Deprecation cannot break old programs, because one of the key parts of deprecation is that nothing gets removed, they're specifically left in to allow backwards compatibility. You're worried about removal, which is a different thing. — Nick 44 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
Why do you need the answer to that question (not a rhetorical question)? — Peter Mortensen 57 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
Happy to ninja you ... — rene 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by OutstandingBill
Thanks for the pointer. I've fixed it now. I'm finding it difficult to judge your tone here. That's probably my autism. Would you mind helping me out and explaining why it's offensive? I spell stuff the English way, and in the past people have pulled me up on it. Why is it offensive to say this? — OutstandingBill 30 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by OutstandingBill
That really is going the extra mile. Thank you. — OutstandingBill 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
@OutstandingBill I don't think it is offensive at all (hence my obviously). Some people from some countries think they are the center of the world and get to set all the standards. It is often a surprise to them other countries, believes, language, spelling, courtesy rules exist. I don't think your statement was offensive, as a matter of fact, I take it as a precautionary applogee which I find thoughtful of you. I wouldn't be bothered too much by these events. If it is unclear what is written it might get edited, sometimes into US spelling which is not needed but not a big deal either. — rene 23 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by OutstandingBill
That's a big relief. Thank you. That's a very good way of putting it - a precautionary apology. — OutstandingBill 42 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
Re "comment on a question I posted": But the link text is to the question and the link is to an answer. What is the intent? — Peter Mortensen 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick
"I spell stuff the English way" - But... that's still wrong, while -ize is most certainly the AmE way, both -ize and -ise are acceptable in BrE and it's (often) dependent on the ending of the root Greek word. Saying your way is "the English way" is simply incorrect. — Nick 31 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by OutstandingBill
Oops - sorry Peter, no that was an accident — OutstandingBill 15 secs ago
 
10:35 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
[ Boson ] New comment posted by 41686d6564
@Nick Who said that deprecation is guaranteed not to lead to removal? As an example, from the .NET docs: "Marking an element as obsolete informs users that the element may be removed in a future version of the product". That does not, however, mean that it will break old programs. Old program may break when upgrading to a newer version of the language/framework though. — 41686d6564 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick
@41686d6564 That's later, not now, while deprecation can lead to removal, it itself is not removal. — Nick 26 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by 41686d6564
@Nick Yes, agreed. Your comment just made it sound like deprecating something means that it will not be removed in the future. Maybe I misunderstood it. — 41686d6564 6 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick
@41686d6564 Nah, I could've been a bit more explicit, was on my phone so kept it brief — Nick 54 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
@Nick let's settle on that all non US speakers spell an English way foremost to grate US spelling purists ... — rene 53 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user239216
@Nick Deprecated APIs will generate tons of warnings in old projects. If you work on something high-demanding on this then it means "break". — user239216 14 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user239216
@PeterMortensen First, I found Linux time APIs a little messy. Second, deprecation means something unforeseen happens, and I want to learn something about it and try to avoid same thing happens in the future. — user239216 1 min ago
 
11:50 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick
Where's your code? How can we help you debug if you don't include it? — Nick 50 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick
@CodyGray You know as well as I do I meant in the original question :p — Nick 9 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by hopperelec
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
Though protocol-only questions are on-topic for Stack Overflow. — Peter Mortensen 55 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick
Sure, "isn't in production yet and could have security flaws", fine, but that puts us at a bit of an impasse. We can't help you with your code because you won't share it, and you can't share your code because it's not ready. — Nick 12 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by hopperelec
@Nick I mean, I did show some styling in the screenshots, but sure I can get what you mean. My hope was that I had done something wrong with ReCAPTCHA itself that causes this issue that someone would know about — hopperelec 22 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by hopperelec
@Nick I don't mean API keys by security flaws, I have that in a separate file. I don't know, I just have a lot of code on this and don't want to risk accidentally sharing a bit that could be abused later down the line — hopperelec 52 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick
Code including your styling must be in the question itself as code, not in the form of a picture or screenshot (although I don't guarantee doing that will be enough to have your post reopened, I'm not an expert on the subject and don't know if that alone is enough to fix it) — Nick 51 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by hopperelec
@Nick The styling isn't mine, though- the styling is set by ReCAPTCHA's JavaScript. Unless there's a way to compile all the styling on a website into one file through inspect element or something, I'm not sure what to do for that — hopperelec 40 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Scratte
Why not remove all the code that is proprietary until you have an absolutely minimal working example that does exactly the same thing and then post that? Also see How to create a Minimal, Reproducible ExampleScratte 35 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by hopperelec
Hm that's fair. Alright, I'll have a look at that later. Thanks! — hopperelec 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
colorForth (a variant of Forth) is an example of a programming language where styling matters. — Peter Mortensen 30 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
Which is relevant... how, @PeterMortensen? — Cody Gray ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by hopperelec
Where is the recommended place to share HTML/CSS code? On-site, CodePen, Hastebin..? — hopperelec 45 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by 41686d6564
@hopperelec You can create a code snippet. — 41686d6564 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Scratte
In a Stack Snippets which is linked from the other link I posted in my previous comment ;) — Scratte 56 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by hopperelec
Alright, just wondering if it would be different for HTML since you would want to be able to easily see it — hopperelec 30 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
For higher impact (those posts will probably be seen by very few or end up being deleted), consider, for example, using the view rate (optionally restricted to a particular tag or only relatively new questions) or the search engine hits when you use Stack Overflow as a research tool. — Peter Mortensen 23 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by 41686d6564
@hopperelec Stack snippets are different from a regular code block. The snippet is specifically designed for HTML/JavaScript/SCC. — 41686d6564 16 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by hopperelec
Oh right, thank you! — hopperelec 58 secs ago
 
12:42 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user16320675
also remember: the internet does not forget (easily) — user16320675 41 secs ago
 
12:59 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by hopperelec
I've re-wrote the entire question with a minimal working example. That actually helped a lot as it seems to be a specific, odd line in my CSS that's causing it for some reason. Thanks! — hopperelec 25 secs ago
 
1:22 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Scratte
Maybe take look at the the Help Center. There's a lot of information there about how to use the site. There are longer versions of everything on meta too. For example the "Do not use signature, taglines, greetings, thanks and other chit chat" part of Expected Behavior versus No Thanks, Damn It!Scratte 50 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Scratte
One of the common misunderstandings is that Stack Overflow works like a help-site. It's not. It's a repository of Question/Answer. Like a wikipedia of sorts. — Scratte 48 secs ago
 
1:55 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by hopperelec
@Scratte Ah, alright. I understood the wikipedia-esque thing, but still thought you asked the questions as though it was a help site. I've edited the question to remove that type of stuff I had at the end — hopperelec 40 secs ago
 
2:29 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick
@hopperelec "That actually helped a lot as it seems to be a specific, odd line in my CSS that's causing it for some reason" - That's another good reason to work out the minimum code to reproduce the problem. You often fix it yourself! (or at least get some better search terms to find the solution) — Nick 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by hopperelec
@Nick Yes! Sadly, still not fixed it, though. I know how I could fix it, but it means removing one of the cool styling effects I have for my form which I'd like to keep, and I'd still be interested in knowing how a simple filter causes hovering over a fixed-position element to move inline haha — hopperelec 1 min ago
 
2:59 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tomerikoo
In my opinion a "improve and reopen" and "improve and leave closed" options should be added, rather than fixing the text. A few times I found a good edit, reopenable question, but a few improvements could help the edit. I needed to approve and reopen, open the question separately and edit again — Tomerikoo 32 secs ago
 
3:32 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by hopperelec
My request for it to be re-opened failed, it seems. However, I re-wrote the entire question to add more specific information and keep it a lot less vague, including a minimum working example that fully demonstrates it, so I'm not sure why it's still not considered detailed enough — hopperelec 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Shree
Question have already 2 reopen votes. Be patient. It's take some time. — Shree 29 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by hopperelec
When I sent that, it said something like "... was edited and requested for reopen but failed for: Edit did not fix issues" but it seems it's been re-submitted for review or something? — hopperelec 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Adrian Mole
Queue now down to fewer than 1,000 posts ... but we're still getting the 60/day quota. — Adrian Mole 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Shree
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Shree
 
4:09 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jeanne Dark
They can downvote it, if they wish so. What they are not allowed to do is serial voting or using sockpuppets to also vote. So you should only have to fear one downvote. Three close votes are necessary to close a question (in your case it's not closed as duplicate), so they alone cannot close it, they need 2 more users who think it's not suitable for SO. — Jeanne Dark 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by MisterMiyagi
I really don't see how that is a valid close reason for the question. The content seems not related to the feud at all. — MisterMiyagi 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jeanne Dark
On SO we should try to judge the content, not the user. So your behavior on that other website should not matter when deciding on which action to take with regards to your question. — Jeanne Dark 31 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Suraj Rao
@JeanneDark From the comments under the question, more than one user may have voted due to the events in the other community. Of course, someone with domain knowledge will need to look at the post itself — Suraj Rao 12 secs ago
 
4:45 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by EmpressSvetlana
@MisterMiyagi - The question is considered on-topic for SO, correct? — EmpressSvetlana 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by MisterMiyagi
@EmpressSvetlana Let me put it this way: Whether a question is on-topic depends only on the content of the question. The identity of the author is irrelevant for that. — MisterMiyagi 38 secs ago
 
5:00 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Glorfindel
Cross-posted on Stack Apps: stackapps.com/q/9196/34061Glorfindel 50 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tomerikoo
You don't get a suspension from one bad review. It's according to a pattern. And also the review you posted here is not even an audit so I doubt you can get suspended according because of it... — Tomerikoo 16 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jeanne Dark
You reviewed an answer that clearly wasn't an answer, decided to not flag it as NAA, instead take an action that technically completes the review and removes the post from the review queue so no other reviewer can take the appropriate action and still are surprised you were suspended from reviewing? — Jeanne Dark 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Mahrkeenerh
@Tomerikoo the log says it was due to this one. If I've made more bad choices, I'd certainly like to know what they were, so I would avoid them in the future. — Mahrkeenerh 44 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jeanne Dark
It can have been a manual suspension, too. — Jeanne Dark 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tomerikoo
I might be wrong, but anyway it's hard to have any doubts. The message you posted is quite clear: "Although the post reviewed was posted as an answer, it did not attempt to provide an answer to the question. You should have flagged it as Not an answer"Tomerikoo 46 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
It's because of this. It was a manual ban imposed by a moderator. @JeanneDark's comment says it as well as I could, so I won't bother trying. The point of reviewing is to resolve the problems, not to complete the review tasks. Just because the system accepted upvoting the comment as sufficient doesn't mean that it actually was sufficient. Upvoting a comment doesn't remove the inappropriate answers from the site. Next time, flag as NAA. There's no harm in multiple users doing so; you don't have to worry about whether a commenter also did so. And, now you know, so you won't get suspended again — Cody Gray ♦ 21 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Mahrkeenerh
Lesson learned. Wished I knew before to mark wrong answers (unhelpful, not an answers, etc) as such is the requirement, not just to do something else (like upvoting the comment). As you said, yes, won't make the mistake again. Thanks guys — Mahrkeenerh 24 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
Cool. Since you know that now, I'm lifting your review suspension. The whole point of the suspension was to let you know how to change your behavior, and since it's already had that effect, there's no reason for you to still be suspended. — Cody Gray ♦ 43 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Mahrkeenerh
Thanks, but I'll still take a break for a moment, to let it sit for a while. Have a good day — Mahrkeenerh 1 min ago
 
5:47 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Oleg Valter
This should probably be a question on MSE as requested by the team on the announcement question - looks like a good case for a feature request (not sure if it was requested before) — Oleg Valter 1 min ago
 
6:05 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by gparyani
Also, while a review suspension may seem like a huge escalation or heavy-handed measure in this case, a short review suspension is actually a valid, staff-approved tool for mods to use to point users' attention to a single bad review. — gparyani 53 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Mahrkeenerh
oh no, while I may have been unhappy with it when it arrived, it served it's purpose, and got me to realize, that I wasn't reviewing the answer, rather the comment, which was useless. — Mahrkeenerh 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Andrew Morton
@OlegValter The error is not after transitioning to the review queue, where there is no mention of improving the edit. — Andrew Morton 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Hovercraft Full Of Eels
Another thing that many reviewers may not realize -- if you're unsure of how to review a question or an answer, you may (and should) skip it. — Hovercraft Full Of Eels 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tomerikoo
@AndrewMorton It is directly related to this change. See bullet 2 under Changes to the Reopen votes queues in the link Oleg provided — Tomerikoo 54 secs ago
 
7:04 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by sundar - Remember Monica
I was the one that cast the first Reopen vote, and (since all comments there have been deleted) these are the other Meta questions I cited in explaining the vote: meta.stackexchange.com/q/226499/131904 meta.stackexchange.com/q/340093/131904sundar - Remember Monica 17 secs ago
 
7:19 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick
You don't think maybe that those questions weren't simple at the time? Documentation standards are substantially better now than they used to be, especially searchability. — Nick 38 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick
And evidently said posts are still useful, as they still get upvotes, so why should they not get reputation from them? — Nick 27 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Abhishek
@Nick a question "Loop through an array in JavaScript" got 3566 upvotes, making the user a giant with just 1 question asked in the early days. Do you think looping is so hard in javascript that it deserves 3566 upvotes? the user simply became better than others with just 1 question, even tho his over questions were getting downvoted or closed — Abhishek 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick
Does this answer your question? Do new users have a harder time now earning rep than they did 8 years ago? - N.B. recommended this one as it's a top level duplicate which links to lots of others, including ones about older users having advantages, the fact rep is harder to get, and the idea of giving a rep limit on questions — Nick 57 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
"So if I wanted to have a high reputation, I can just go into StackO verflow, pick a very new technology at this time and just ask a simple question regarding that technology". Go wild. See if it works for you. — yivi 58 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick
@Abhishek You seem to not understand the point of the site, what's wrong with having a highly upvoted post after it's accumulated 43 answers detailing several different ways of looping, their advantages, disadvantages, specific reasons to use each, etc. it's nothing to do with how easy it is to answer "How to write a loop in JavaScript", you're ignoring all of the other information that came alongside that — Nick 18 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Abhishek
@Nick you are looking at the wrong side, I am not questioning the answers here, let the answers be as detailed as they want to be, the problem here is with the user asking that question, the user contributed little to no effort in building the answer yet he tends to get reputation beyond his efforts. — Abhishek 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick
@Abhishek The user contributed the question for the answers to get attributed to, without the question you don't get answers — Nick 21 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Abhishek
@Nick that is the problem, that question was in the mind of 10 other developers at that same time, one knowing not more than the other yet one gets all the glory, simply because he was 5 minutes early — Abhishek 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Abhishek
@Nick it is like asking a teacher a question and the student getting paid to ask that question — Abhishek 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick
@Abhishek Except reputation doesn't mean anything, they are imaginary internet points with no inherent value — Nick 12 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Abhishek
The culture of this site speaks right now, with this question getting 10 downvotes with no reason why, this is what new users face all day long — Abhishek 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
Why is it a problem that a long running question gave me all the reputation? Am I abusing it somehow? — rene 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
You have 10 comments arguing why your question isn't well received,. How is that not a reason for the downvotes? It certainly is a reason I downvoted. — rene 10 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Abhishek
10 comments are from me and Nick, where are the other 9 people who downvoted this? — Abhishek 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Michael Szczesny
@Abhishek - votes on meta doesn't contribute to your reputation. It simply expresses approval or disapproval with the post. — Michael Szczesny 14 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Abhishek
@MichaelSzczesny noted, well I hope to get more downvotes, at least that way some attention will be drawn to this matter — Abhishek 53 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
"The culture of this site speaks right now, with this question getting 10 downvotes with no reason why, this is what new users face all day long". There are plenty of reasons to downvote this post: a useless, poorly defended suggestion; a lot of unfounded assumptions; evidence of poor research about how the site works and what expectations users should have, etc, etc, etc. — yivi 37 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by VLAZ
"10 comments are from me and Nick, where are the other 9 people who downvoted this?" you want a comment from each person who downvoted even if they think exactly the same as the comments already existing? Or if you had you had 10 comments with basically identical content, would you have complained about people "jumping on you" or similar? — VLAZ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by cigien
@StefanKarpinski No, we're not going to rehash the details of what happened on another site over here. Please read the answer below, which mentions that explicitly. — cigien 5 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Abhishek
@yivi the research exists, so does the proof that new users get bullied on this site, the reason why I can't show it because it contain names of people who had nothing to do with this question directly, dragging their name through this question would be unethical — Abhishek 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick
@Abhishek Then show us the research. And if you see people getting bullied, we have flags for that, use them. — Nick 12 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Abhishek
I have to admit that it is easy for high ranking reputation holders to defend their reputation dearly rather than discussing it in a open space, in a civilized way, you have found more reasons to close this question than to discuss it and see if it is what it is — Abhishek 14 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
I don't know if the research exists or not. But there is no evidence of research on this post, and plenty evidence of it being lacking. If you see someone bullying a user (new or otherwise), just raise a flag. Mods dealt with bullies so we can have a polite environment. — yivi 18 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Michael Szczesny
That is one of the problem with your question: there is no direct connection between high reputation due to simple questions and the alleged behavior of users. Even if both could be worth discussing on their own. — Michael Szczesny 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by VLAZ
"This situation has created many users that have a huge reputation but have no skill to match said reputation" reputation has never been about "skill". This is a terribly misleading assumption you've done. Reputation measures contributions made to the site. That's it. We can have the worlds leading experts on a technology come in and sit at, say, 150 reputation because they don't contribute. — VLAZ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Abhishek
2 Cases of harassment I went through in the 12 months, cannot be reported and upon reading, I hope you understand why. I am writing those here.. — Abhishek 55 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by StoryTeller - Unslander Monica
You seem to be placing way too much value with imaginary internet points. Folks vote because they consider a contribution useful to them. The only reason to be bothered by those votes is childish jealousy. — StoryTeller - Unslander Monica 5 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Abhishek
@StoryTeller-UnslanderMonica good sir, it isn't about the votes, it is about the behavior that comes from users that have gained an unfair amount of reputation with an early advantage in time — Abhishek 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
Er, you seem to be veering wildly from your original question. If the issue is "bullying" and "harassment", that's completely unrelated with your "proposal". Feel free to raise flags about those situations (please do), or if for some reason you feel the matter is better addressed by the community, post a question about that. But that's completely orthogonal to "limit max reputation gained by question". — yivi 27 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by VLAZ
@Abhishek "it isn't about the votes, it is about the behavior that comes from users that have gained an unfair amount of reputation with an early advantage in time" then you're solving an XY problem. — VLAZ 58 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by StoryTeller - Unslander Monica
1 million reputation gives one no more ability to "bully" than 50 reputation. This proposal is quite clearly about nothing more than some vendetta. — StoryTeller - Unslander Monica 34 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Abhishek
thank you for this meaningful answer good sir, I am not whining about myself, I myself do not get into problems where my questions lack detail or clarity (at least in StackOverflow), my questions are usually well received and face no problem but I still see new questions getting downvoted or straight up closed by high reputation users that have contributed 1 or 2 questions a very long time ago — Abhishek 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Abhishek
If I wanted to whine I would have done it off-site as I know how brutal StackExchange can be, I am simply opening this discussion to spread the word about what is happening where high-ranking users dare not go. Where novice high reputation users (novice in sense of contribution) put pressure on the new users, for sake of their reputation gain — Abhishek 22 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
@Abhishek and? Those questions that are down voted and closed are unique and awesome contributions to our canonical knowledgebase? If yes, come to meta and make an argument that a closed post has value. Then we can talk. Just stating that a high rep user is doing something you don't like is the wrong argument. — rene 34 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Abhishek
@StoryTeller-UnslanderMonica I have to mention that I myself do not get bullied or harassed (as much as I see new users get) I am simply doing this for the sake of new users that have no voice — Abhishek 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
I'm done with your insults. Please take them to twitter. — rene 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by StoryTeller - Unslander Monica
Yes, all purely altruistic, naturally... — StoryTeller - Unslander Monica 22 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Abhishek
at no point did I insult you, and how am I report a question that gives 404? — Abhishek 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Abhishek
@StoryTeller-UnslanderMonica I invite all to go ahead and downvote my entire profile and every question & answer if that assures you that I am doing this for the greater good — Abhishek 22 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
Just link to it. High rep users can see deleted posts ... — rene 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick
@Abhishek All we're asking you for is PROOF, where is it? Where's your research? Where's the evidence of bullying? Without that this post is totally worthless, because you're asking us to discuss an assumption based on, from our point of view, nothing. — Nick 40 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
@Abhishek if you don't understand that this Where novice high reputation users (novice in sense of contribution) put pressure on the new users, for sake of their reputation gain is insulting then we are done discussing this. — rene 49 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Abhishek
@Nick here is one of them, its deleted but rene referred that high ranking users can see deleted posts so see if you can see this post: stackoverflow.com/questions/67616308/…Abhishek 42 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick
That post was self deleted, the only person to comment on it (besides OP, not counting deleted comments) was you criticizing OPs grammar. — Nick 52 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Abhishek
can you see this post? it is an old one that got deleted stackoverflow.com/questions/67616308/…Abhishek 24 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Abhishek
there are other example that speak the proof but I have to find them in my archive of replies — Abhishek 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dharman
@Abhishek Please do not invite anyone to go through your profile and vote on your posts. This is against the rules and such votes will be reversed. — Dharman 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dharman
@Abhishek I can see that post, what of it? I can see one rude comment made by you. — Dharman 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Abhishek
@Dharman I apologize for that, my mistake — Abhishek 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Abhishek
do you see the mocking in the comments? — Abhishek 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dharman
@Abhishek Yes, here "what on earth is this question? can you please re-write the question and ask and provide only what that matters? stackoverflow.com/help/how-to-ask" You posted this comment — Dharman 43 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by StoryTeller - Unslander Monica
And speaking of that critique of the OP's grammar, it was phrased in an incredibly unfriendly way. Frankly, that was bullying. "what on earth is this question?"StoryTeller - Unslander Monica 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dharman
I don't understand. Are you incriminating yourself as one of these bullies that insult new users when they post questions on Stack Overflow? — Dharman 55 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Abhishek
The OP's grammar was very difficult to understand I advised him to change the grammar as his question suggested nothing, I said to him what on earth is question, not bullying him on his grammar, I said can you please re-write the question with better grammar — Abhishek 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Abhishek
the OP went out of his way to find personal information about me and did everything in his power to bully me on site and off site, but that isn't the matter I shared this particular question and these comments because it is impossible to flag these, there were many comments deleted before I could do anything, comments in front of which my "what on earth" would mean nothing — Abhishek 39 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
Let's share a screenshot so we can all see the mocking: i.stack.imgur.com/ehMjY.png . I'm wondering who did cast an red flag on that question. — rene 50 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
Moda can see deleted comments. You can raise a flag on the post, explaining things. Although again, this is unrelated to your question here. — yivi 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Abhishek
@Dharman I agree with you, I should have done that, I genuinely wanted to help, I felt like I knew the answer and all I needed was a clearer question but then things went south real quick with slurs and personal information leak/taunting and I didn't downvote his question, at least that is what I remember. I genuinely thought that question had potential — Abhishek 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dharman
Then hear my advice for the future: you do not add comments like "what on earth is this question" if you think the question has a potential. Try to reply in a more polite manner. If you require more clarifications then downvote, flag for closure and optionally add a comment politely asking for what you think is needed to be able to answer the question. If OP adds the extra details then you can undo your vote. — Dharman 9 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Makyen
@Abhishek Your statement regarding what other comments were on that question is false. Your, now deleted, "what on earth" comment was the first comment posted on that question, including any deleted comments. There are, now, 3 deleted comments on that question: one of yours which I just deleted and 2 from the question OP. The two comments from the OP which were deleted by a moderator in response to flags don't come even close to "many comments deleted". But, yes, one of the deleted comments by the OP did step further over the "inappropriate" line than your comment. — Makyen ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by charlietfl
The numbers game isn't simply about votes on individual posts although some do garner good numbers over time. If you consider that @Abhishek has averaged about 4 answers per year over 7 1/2 years (total 29) then none of this post makes any sense regarding reputation. Participation at a much higher level is required — charlietfl 24 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Makyen
I've now deleted the remaining 3 comments on the question, because they were NLN, as they dealt directly with suggested improvements to earlier versions of the question, and the question had been edited by the OP to address the the mentioned issues. — Makyen ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Abhishek
@Makyen thank you for this comment, I simply have nothing to gain here, I am just trying to shed light on this issue that exists. I had one solid proof that I cannot find. It was when I asked a question about firebase with C# and Unity game engine and I got instantly downvoted and I think even marked for close by a user that had no contributions relating to firebase or Unity Engine even tho the question stated that it is for unity engine users or firebase users. — Abhishek 1 min ago
 
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[ Boson ] New comment posted by daycaster
@wai ha lee Your latest edit has unfortunately reversed the truth, and needs to be reverted, since it's now levelling an an inaccurate accusation. — daycaster 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jonathan Leffler
@daycaster — I've revised the text back to "abusive with" from the amended and incorrect "abused by". This comment can go; your comment can go soon. — Jonathan Leffler 56 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Security Hound
@abhishek - There is no possible way you know those high reputation users are down voting posts by new users. — Security Hound 44 secs ago
 
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[ Boson ] New comment posted by Mauricio Gracia Gutierrez
So I'm supposed to check on my own question quality without any specific feedback from anybody ? you are basically telling me to "check my question because there is something which can be improved" and..what would that be ? — Mauricio Gracia Gutierrez 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Hovercraft Full Of Eels
I think that a mistake that many people new to this site make is to assume that this site is primarily a "help" site. While help is often obtained, that is not the site's primary goal, but rather to be a repository of high-quality questions and answers, and to achieve this, trusted site members are encouraged to vote on question and answer quality and site-appropriateness. If you look at the site from this point of view, then you may see how your current question might not be the best fit for this site since it is quite broad. — Hovercraft Full Of Eels 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick
This site isn't really (at all) for learning to code. If you're looking to do that you'd be better served looking for tutorials, reading, or getting a tutor. — Nick 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Scratte
I've found The Java™ Tutorials by Oracle to be a better place to learn. Once you have a solid understanding, and know your way around the JavaDoc you'll have a more solid background. Also learning to search is really important for solving any issues you get while you're a developer. — Scratte 39 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Hovercraft Full Of Eels
Specifically, with your recent question, you post requirements, unexplained code that you state is "wrong" but don't tell specifically what problems you have with it, what needs fixing, what debugging you've done. You also ask for a "push in the right direction" which is not what this site is for. It is for much more specific single questions and their answers. — Hovercraft Full Of Eels 56 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by gnat
[ Boson ] New comment posted by gnat
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Maureen Flannery
none of you have actually answer my question. where (if it even exists) can i go to ask specific questions like this? i have searched the web and watched several tutorials. (That is the only reason that i have gotten as far as i have). But, i still need to find a way to ask specific questions. For example, when i have a syntax error, but i can't find it. Who can i turn to for help? a tutorial can't pinpoint or debug a problem. — Maureen Flannery 13 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Charlie Armstrong
You're going at this the wrong way. When you find something you don't know how to do (say, writing an if statement), you should Google how to do that specific thing, and, if there are no satisfactory results, post your findings along with your question on Stack Overflow. You can't just make up syntax each time you get stuck and post the whole program when you're done. You've gotta tackle each problem individually. — Charlie Armstrong 16 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by gnat
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Makyen
I said that voting on Meta sites is different than main sites. Yes, on Meta, the signals of "problem with question" and "I disagree with this" are mixed together as downvotes. It's not great and can be frustrating, but it's what we've got. For this question, I'd expect that most or all of the downvotes indicate people who disagree with the premise of the question that we should just allow users to post on Stack Overflow in whatever language they desire and to just require that they tag their question with the particular human language which they are using. — Makyen ♦ 1 min ago
 
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[ Boson ] New comment posted by Makyen
@Abhishek Is the question you were looking for: "is firebase good for FPS(First Person Shooter) games?" — Makyen ♦ just now
 
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[ Boson ] New comment posted by Michael Szczesny
You haven't even finished the tour yet. This was recommended after registering to avoid misunderstandings and bad experiences. — Michael Szczesny 40 secs ago
 
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