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12:43 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ann Zen
@CodyGray Audits are supposed to obvious? Well, there's a time I chosen to close a post as needs debugging details because of its Wall of code, but failed the audit. — Ann Zen 1 min ago
 
1:01 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ann Zen
@zixuan Maybe not, but it's what I want to accept. — Ann Zen 59 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by zixuan
I don't see why this would help. — zixuan 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by 10 Rep
@AnnZen This is why I stopped Triage. It's super confusing. I only have 24 flags a day, and when I run out of flags, and a post is "Unsalvageable", what do I do? — 10 Rep 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ann Zen
@10Rep Oh, I see. — Ann Zen 1 min ago
 
 
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4:15 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by NotThatGuy
Re #3: assuming the user read the messages (which a high-rep user is likely to have done) and simply disagreed, "perhaps the message I’ve sent .. got lost" comes across as quite dismissive and egotistical (i.e. "surely my excellent explanation would've been good enough, so the only possibility here is that you simply missed it") and seems likely to just escalate the situation further. I would probably say "[Similar to/To expand on] what I said in the message...". — NotThatGuy just now
 
4:29 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ann Zen
Read their meta posts, where they express their opinions. — Ann Zen 53 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cool Cloud
@Samuel Liew no it doesnt solve my Q i asked something related to reputations, pls discuss wid me bfre u close my question — Cool Cloud 40 secs ago
 
4:45 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Samuel Liew
This has nothing to do with reputation. — Samuel Liew ♦ 1 min ago
 
5:01 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
No one should ever discuss with the asker before voting to close a question. That isn't how this site works. If you do not think that the proposed duplicate answers your question, then you need to edit your question to clarify the differences. See: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/252252/…Cody Gray ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
@Nick Not me. I change all user names to "Nick". Hopefully it'll catch on. — Cody Gray ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Leonard
@MartinJames You are keep going off-topic. First, "I'm not gunna answer unless there's an evidence" doesn't justify you not answering. Many have felt it and are complaining. Still want concrete evidence? Google "stackoverflow rude" and you will see tons of evidences captured, posts, videos written about the rudeness. Your second point also lacks any persuasion. "few fake internet points"? Bring evidence. Your interpretation on OP is fundamentally flawed and distorted. Taking his use of the word "bully" and saying it lacks consideration is only your opinion. Virtually on one is upset by it. — Leonard 50 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Franklin Yu
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Leonard
@Trilarion That exactly is the problematic attitude here. SO is running away from the responsibility by saying "oh you can never satisfy everyone" Yes of course that is common sense. But is SO making minimum necessary effort to reduce that? Many and I strongly disagree especially with cases like this where good questions are abused by the system. — Leonard 39 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cool Cloud
@SamuelLiew okay thanks for the help :D — Cool Cloud 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Oleg Valter
@CodyGray - pinging again just in case the request has been buried under the avalanche of other notifications. Could you (or Bhargav) take another look at the ratagging of the appscript - renaming to sourceforge-appscript seems like a bulletproof solution that hopefully everyone can agree upon. — Oleg Valter 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Leonard
The following comments corroborates that this answer did misinterpret OP's point, hence I'm not going to engage in this anymore. To leave at last, "of course I read the whole post, but if the title is sufficiently vague as to leave a framing challenge opening, it's not my problem." Sorry it is your problem. This isn't framing. It's a distortion. Do you answer programming questions on SO by only reading the title? Of course not. But that's what this answer did and tried to justify. Have a good day. — Leonard 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Leonard
@E_net4isoutofclosevotes Plus, you told me this is not a place for an extended discussion but you yourself participated in the discussion after. When I challenged on that inconsistency, my comment got deleted. This is an abuse. — Leonard 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Itamar Mushkin
Does anyone know why didn't we have it before? It looks like an obvious advantage. — Itamar Mushkin 1 min ago
 
5:51 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
@NobodyNada That is a very good example. But I'll just note that it doesn't even have to be that stark of a contrast. As a moderator, I'd certainly give Jon Skeet the benefit of the doubt if he posted gibberish, but I'd give the same benefit of the doubt to a 100-rep user who had posted a couple of good questions/answers in the past. It's just brand-new users who we tend to assume are probably spammers. And, frankly, even if we guess wrong, it's better for them if we destroy the account and let them start fresh with a clean slate. — Cody Gray ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by RedBrogdon
That's how the dropdown on the front page of flutter.dev works, so it's definitely possible. I think the larger concern, though, is that the Stack Exchange devs probably want more control over their UI/UX than they'd have with someone else's iframe embedded in the page. If I were an SO admin, I'd want to know things like uptime guarantees, how to test new features and UI changes before they went live, and a bunch of other stuff before I went dropping third-party iframes into the site I'd been building for more than a decade. :) — RedBrogdon 1 min ago
 
6:13 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Super Jade
Not to mention the black on dark gray background. — Super Jade 1 min ago
 
6:35 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by oguz ismail
Closed again by a moderator. I hope this ends this dumb close/reopen war — oguz ismail 1 min ago
 
7:13 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
You have 6 deleted questions with score <= 0 that are contributing to your question ban: 1 2 3 4 5 6. — Cody Gray ♦ 45 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
Solved: stackoverflow.com/questions/61766642/… ? That is not how questions are solved, you self answer them properly to include all the steps that "solved" it. So not all your questions are fine. Please go over the Help Centre article again. Also helpful to self evaluate your questions is using the checklist. — rene 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
You say you are trying to edit your questions but nor your visible questions not your deleted ones have been edited by you since May. Is there something not working on your end that prevent your edit attempts to get saved? — rene 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by juls07
@CodyGray [this][1] — juls07 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
I am merely providing you with links that, due to a Stack Overflow bug, may not be available to you. (We only show users their own deleted questions when they are less than 60 days old.) Giving you the links allows you to review each of them and make the appropriate decision about whether or not they are salvageable. Some of them aren't, and it's better to just forget about them. But they are contributing to your overall quality score, so it's good to be aware of them. I'll let other community members make suggestions about how to improve your questions. — Cody Gray ♦ 13 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Vega
I am very glad you decided to run. You are posed, understanding, patient and yet, decision wise, sharp. I really appreciate your knowledge of every aspect of SO/SE rules. Your involvement in and contributions (userscripts, SOCVR, Charcoal, etc..) to SO community are indubitably valuable. I believe you would be a very wise and great moderator. — Vega 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Samuel Liew
 
7:39 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by juls07
@CodyGray [this][1] [1][stackoverflow.com/questions/61023044/… []this][2] [2][stackoverflow.com/questions/62052393/… [this][3] [3][stackoverflow.com/questions/62382121/… [and this][4] [4][stackoverflow.com/questions/62076430/deja-dup-restore-fa‌​iled] all have a reason 1:i posted this on Reddit and found the answer there 2:same as 1 3: same again 4:posted on super user (in comments) — juls07 1 min ago
 
7:53 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by juls07
what do you mean? — juls07 57 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Arghya Sadhu
I meant avoid deleting question at all cost.If you have found an answer somewhere(reddit etc) you can add that as an answer to your own question in stackoverflow and can accept your own answer — Arghya Sadhu 43 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Mari-Lou A
@juls07 To simplify: deleted questions do not raise the average score. If you have posted five questions of which two have scored 0 and three have each scored -1 that means you have a reputation of -6 (-2 points per downvote), even if you delete the ones with a negative score, the system recognises that your real rep is -6. What can you do to rectify this situation? IMPROVE those questions that have negative scores. HOW? Follow the site's guidelines, do the RESEARCH, and explain what solutions you have tried. — Mari-Lou A 1 min ago
 
8:15 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zoe
you have several questions belonging on SuperUser or Unix.SE in the pile of deleted questions, you have a few that are off-topic, and a few lacking an MCVE by abusing the system meant to prevent paste sitesZoe 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Mari-Lou A
It's kind of telling when a user on Stack Overflow cannot post links properly in comments. It means they haven't studied how to or they haven't read the instructions carefully enough There are three ways to write links. Each is easier to read than the last:”Mari-Lou A 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Trilarion
@ "But is SO making minimum necessary effort to reduce that?" Difficult to say really. But if there is an idea to improve things, I'm all ears, and if it's not too unreasonable, I'm open to experiment. SO does conduct experiment sometimes and gathers data. That may be able to tell you how to improve things. It's not enough to just disagree with the status-quo (I'm not happy with it either.) - you also need to have ideas how to improve and there needs to be a system in place that tries out new things occasionally. This one case here might be an outlier and not statistically representative. — Trilarion 15 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Mari-Lou A
I'm curious. Why has this answer, which quotes correctly two comments by two moderators, downvoted so heavily? — Mari-Lou A 55 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zoe
Of the ones you have left (from bottom to the top of the list when sorted by age), you have: A duplicate that's also borderline unclear, a question that's too broad and off-topic (possibly better on ServerFault), no MCVE (+ dead pastesite link), one I'm not sure about, but that's extremely borderline, two no MCVEs with a way too high focus on the OS (looks like SU/Unix.SE, is no MCVE), too broad/no MCVE, and the last one looks fine — Zoe 56 secs ago
 
8:41 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by E_net4 is out of close votes
Regarding the ones which are unsalvageable, this is my recommendation from another question. — E_net4 is out of close votes 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
No. First off, you have no idea that you are being downvoted by a specific user because votes are anonymous. Second, there is never any expectation that feedback will be provided to accompany votes, whether up or down. For an explanation of downvotes, please hover over the button and read the tooltip. — Cody Gray ♦ 33 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by F1Krazy
Did these downvotes happen all at the same time, or were they spaced out? If they were all at the same time, it's a reasonable assumption that it was all the same person(s), and you can rest assured that the votes will be reverted automatically. If they were spaced out, then there's no way you can possibly be sure it was the same user every time. — F1Krazy 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by F1Krazy
@juls07 Considering that most of your Stack Overflow questions seem to get answered when you repost them on Reddit, have you considered just using Reddit and cutting out the middleman? Then your question ban here becomes completely irrelevant. — F1Krazy 1 min ago
 
 
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10:23 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ryan M
[ Boson ] New comment posted by mickmackusa
The punishments are not strong enough to combat this toxic behavior. — mickmackusa 15 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by E_net4 is out of close votes
You made a new friend. It means that you are leaving a mark on the site. :) Keep it up! — E_net4 is out of close votes 18 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ryan M
Short answer: It's almost certainly a human misbehaving, not an algorithm. Wait 24 hours and it should be automatically fixed. — Ryan M 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
You did indeed get 16 downvotes today from another user. They should be automatically invalidated by a script within 24-48 hours. If they're not, please raise a flag for moderator attention and we'll have them invalidated manually. Sometimes this kind of thing happens; it's best not to lose too much sleep over it. — Cody Gray ♦ 40 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Shiv_90
Your point is fully valid, there is no doubt about that. The current form of moderation is also well developed; no question about that too. But my concern (which many moderators share) is that at SO there has been an influx of low quality content recently. And that's why most of the popular questions are several years old. I'm no radical innovator myself who asserts that moderation at SO is poor and requires an overhaul; no that's not true. I only hope that such content becomes more regulated over time. — Shiv_90 47 secs ago
 
11:17 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by E_net4 is out of close votes
@mickmackusa I could not find a proposal to increase the punishment for serial downvoting. Has this been discussed on Meta before? — E_net4 is out of close votes 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by mickmackusa
@E_net4isoutofclosevotes I get very, very cranky when serial downvoting affects the answers that I carefully craft. Just this week, it happened again. A set of my posts were serial DV'ed, the system reversed it, and then the 2nd wave came. I don't care about unicorn points any more. What I do care about is the vote tally telling an untrue tale about the quality/correctness of my advice -- which some users will not be able to determine on their own. I have whinged on Meta before, but it just gets DV'ed to oblivion, so I don't bother saying anything. — mickmackusa 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by mickmackusa
By neutralizing the DV's, the attackers cannot re-DV the same posts and the attacked uses gets a +8 rep per DV in the series. I don't know how to migitate the possibility that sockpuppets could be used to serial DV, then the system would "overpay" the recipient. I don't have a perfect suggestion about how to better handle voting abuse, but I do know that something new needs to be done because it damages the perception of the content here and misleads researchers. — mickmackusa 21 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by E_net4 is out of close votes
I understand the sentiment, @mickmackusa. The way I see it, one might just need to phrase the proposal in a neutral manner with all relevant pieces of evidence that makes the change important. The only problem I can think of it is accidentally shaming a user who did not know better and chose to seriously and serially rate a user's posts (not sure how often this happens even). — E_net4 is out of close votes 50 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by mickmackusa
Accidentally committing serial downvoting? Never heard of it. As for someone posting an eloquent Meta post -- I am not that guy. I tend to call a spade a front-end loader, so I'll defer to someone who is better equipped to address the Meta community. I think I would be happy if the system would just give an upvote worth +2 rep to neutralize the DVs and ban the user -- this would solve the "overpaying" problem. There is no "shaming" done. The serial DVer would be cooled down and privately messaged. The abused user would simply see +2 on the attacked posts. Serial UVs could simply be reversed. — mickmackusa 36 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
The question interface definitely needs improvement (it sets up an expectation of a forum (e.g. fails to mention the time scale Stack Overflow operates at (minutes, not days))), but why would you be concerned about new questions? There are now 19,811,547 questions and the 8000 new questions every day amounts to 0.04%. Why not largely ignore them and tend to existing questions instead? — Peter Mortensen 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Martijn Pieters
@mickmackusa this really doesn’t happen that often. And in most cases, it ends with the automated reversal; the perpetrator’s emotional energy that led to the spree has been spent. If you are being targeted more than once, send us a custom flag and we can take a look it someone needs a chat from us. Using socks to do the downvoting is actually rare; the primary motivations for sock accounts are to stave off a question ban and to make your own rep look good towards the outside world, not to facilitate revenge. — Martijn Pieters ♦ 20 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Martijn Pieters
@mickmackusa people that abuse the system by targeting are the bigger fish. — Martijn Pieters ♦ 7 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by mickmackusa
I am not going to add more flags to you queue. @MartijnPieters You have bigger fish to fry. — mickmackusa 58 secs ago
 
11:53 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by klutt
@ItamarMushkin The only reason I can see is that they wanted to cut down the amount of text as much as possible. — klutt 1 min ago
 
12:49 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by zixuan
Stack overflow is a neutral community, not a white, black or Chinese community. — zixuan 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dan Bron
@Mari-LouA Well, this is a markedly different tone than you take with such OPs on EL&U ;) — Dan Bron 11 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by zixuan
Stack Overflow already has an "vote" button! — zixuan 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by OverLordGoldDragon
I'd love to point to the stark contrast between reactions to essentially the same post between this and here. Just confirms my idea on audience variance and Meta being out of touch with the rest of users. — OverLordGoldDragon 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by OverLordGoldDragon
I'd love to point to the stark contrast between reactions to essentially the same post between this and here. Just confirms my idea on audience variance and Meta being out of touch with the rest of users. — OverLordGoldDragon 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Scratte
Clicking "Unsalvageable" is the same as clicking the flag dialog. But I'm a bit confused about what your question here is. — Scratte 59 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by gnat
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Bernardo Duarte
@BenjaminW. Just go to the edit history page and fetch the first revision of this post. — Bernardo Duarte 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by m4n0
Bug bounty for bigbounty! — m4n0 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Martin James
To start with, it's very difficult to identify new members, as distinct from new accounts:( — Martin James 1 min ago
 
1:35 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by iainH
I get a lot of what has been said here, some of which I had not realised before. However, as a counter argument: there are those cases where people have downvoted questions, perfectly reasonable ones, perfectly clearly expressed, because theIr own experience gives them no obvious answer to hand. Asking to have the question made clearer, more focused, or generally simpler is useful, helpful advice that a more experienced person can offer to a lesser experienced one. Downvoting without leaving a helpful explanation will not improve the quality of the content, and put less experienced people off — iainH 1 min ago
 
1:53 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
Re 'put a mark on my forehead that says "-349" in red': Yes, this is a kind of public shaming. The least they could do would be to hide (but still accessible) the user name for negatively scored posts. — Peter Mortensen 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Temani Afif
as you clearly explained, this answer doens't answer the question but it's not a very low quality one. You have to downvote it. It's still an attempt to answer (a very bad one) — Temani Afif 34 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
Re "Hencefore": Do you mean Henceforth? — Peter Mortensen 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Robert Harvey
As a (former) moderator, I would have accepted this flag. — Robert Harvey 45 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
Re "Why do questions and answers even need user attribution": They don't, but it is part of the ego-centric design of Stack Overflow (not of the designers, but the system). — Peter Mortensen 52 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Mari-Lou A
@DanBron on a technical site, which SO is, I would expect users to understand the voting system and the technicalities behind a question/answer ban. But the fact I keep seeing users, who consistently post low quality contributions, ask time and time again how to overcome the ban, e.g. what do you mean? illustrates why that message needs to be further clarified. And sometimes, the only way to do this is through bluntness. — Mari-Lou A 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by blackgreen
@TemaniAfif This answer has severe formatting or content problems. This answer is unlikely to be salvageable through editing, and might need to be removed. The answer I flagged seems to fit the description. It has severe content problems, and unlikely to be salvageable through editing. So I don't see why it's not a very low quality one. I probably don't understand what quality means in this case. — blackgreen 1 min ago
 
2:17 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick
@blackgreen the VLQ flag is very subjective, often its helpful to just pretend it doesn't exist — Nick 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Temani Afif
the answer can easily be edited to try utf8_encode($str), it works for me and you we have a valid answer even if it's still a bad one. We don't need too much editing to make it a valid english sentence — Temani Afif 8 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Temani Afif
This answer has severe formatting or content problems --> this is the problem here, we don't have a lot of content to talk about severe or problems. The answer can also be you can use utf8_encode($str). I agree that it's a very bad answer and need to deleted but to be considered as VLQ is subjective as @Nick pointed. — Temani Afif 1 min ago
 
2:55 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by CertainPerformance
It appears a large proportion of other meta participants don't agree with this answer, but I don't understand why. Would one of those who disagrees be willing to comment? — CertainPerformance 47 secs ago
 
3:33 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dan Bron
@Mari-LouA Believe me, I know. I am absolutely on the same wavelength. I just wish you'd be so vehement about research on EL&U, too! — Dan Bron 1 min ago
 
3:57 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Donald Duck
In the future, I recommend never using the "Very low quality" flag at all. For answers, "Not an answer" does exactly the same thing and it's more clear when it should be used, and for questions, "Very low quality" sends it to the Triage review queue so that other users can flag it as "Should be closed", so then it's better if you just flag it as "Should be closed" yourself. — Donald Duck 35 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Donald Duck
For this specific answer, I don't think it should be deleted since it does answer the question, even though it's very short. In some specific cases it might even be useful. — Donald Duck 31 secs ago
 
4:17 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Erik A
@MartijnPieters Heads up: the bot is running. It adds ms-access to all questions tagged access-vba, except if the question is tagged vba and has 5 tags, then it removes access-vba and adds ms-access. At a rate of 1 question per 5 seconds it'll take a while, but should likely be done before I go on vacation next week barring oddities. I've written extensive quality control checks, so I don't expect trouble. — Erik A 38 secs ago
 
4:53 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by blackgreen
@DonaldDuck In my experience, from how my flags are handled, review audits, meta posts, etc, VLQ flags seem appropriate to address link-only answers. For other use cases, it seems a tricky one. I'll follow your advice. — blackgreen 57 secs ago
 
5:05 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Andrew Morton
@AnnZen Was there any indication that the information quoted in this answer was intended to be private? — Andrew Morton 1 min ago
 
5:37 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Donald Duck
@blackgreen I prefer to use Not An Answer for link-only answers as well because even though technically one can argue that they're answers, this site doesn't consider them as answers, and in any case they should be deleted just like posts that aren't answers. I never use the VLQ flag at all because I find it too confusing: sometimes it's not even available, and when it is it's often not clear when to use it, and when it is the VLQ flag does nothing that other flags don't do. — Donald Duck 58 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by charlietfl
My bet is there were more significant issues than just code formatting that made the question not meet site guidelines — charlietfl 54 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cool Cloud
no the i get is your post is mostly code and so i cudnt format it and then after i some time i c a highly reputed person formating everything in the Q as code — Cool Cloud 33 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by F1Krazy
Well, typing in text speak probably isn't going to help. The character limit for comments is more than enough for you to type properly. — F1Krazy 23 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cool Cloud
@F1Krazy what to you mean by comments? — Cool Cloud 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cool Cloud
oh COMMENTS xd. im not having prob wid my code, im trying to edit others code — Cool Cloud 5 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by F1Krazy
The things that we're using to talk to each other right now? — F1Krazy 2 mins ago
 
6:29 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Mari-Lou A
@AndrewMorton the two comments are still visible underneath Ryan M's answer. They were posted by two mods, if the comments were meant to be private nobody but the author would be able to see them. — Mari-Lou A 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ann Zen
@AndrewMorton No. — Ann Zen 1 min ago
 
6:45 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jean-Fran&#231;ois Fabre
You could have answered with the bot account too. — Jean-François Fabre ♦ 18 secs ago
 
7:01 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by JDB still remembers Monica
@Maxt8r Please note that this suggestion is 7 years old. The conversation around it has been exhaustively covered. All I'll say is that if you believe that any post is of poor quality, then it is better to use sanctioned mechanisms to clear the site of the low quality post. Rude and snide comments are not the proper solution. In the years since this suggestion was posted, new flags have been introduced for rude comments, so it's not as much of a concern anymore. If you believe the specific question you are looking at is fine, then this post is irrelevant to you. — JDB still remembers Monica 33 secs ago
 
7:19 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Andrew Morton
@AnnZen I was trying to find any reason that the answer by you was downvoted. I don't see why changing ephemeral comments to a complete answer would be downvoted ¯_(ツ)_/¯ — Andrew Morton 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ann Zen
@AndrewMorton Thanks for you're support! — Ann Zen just now
 
7:39 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ann Zen
@AndrewMorton Sorry, I don't understand. — Ann Zen 8 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Andrew Morton
@AnnZen "Da stoopid?" - it has no boundaries. I guess you have a /following/ with leakage. ICBW (as usual). — Andrew Morton 1 min ago
 
8:07 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Martin James
@mickmackusa 'Accidentally committing serial downvoting', lol, 'I accidentally robbed 12 convenience stores - nobody told me it was wrong':) — Martin James 1 min ago
 
8:29 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Braiam
That fight hasn't been fought! That's a falacy. The (flawed) arguments that were used in the excel tag aren't applicable at all in the case of access. Nobody is complaining about access questions. You aren't! Leave those tags alone that they are doing fine. — Braiam 33 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Braiam
BTW, if the "community" really thinks that they can screw over users just because they can, I don't want anything to do with said community. — Braiam 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by philipxy
This is not clear. What are you advocating or against? — philipxy 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Braiam
@philipxy there's a "plan" of merging all app-vba questions into their plain app tag. That is bonkers since it would mix 100% programming questions with all the "is this even programming" questions. I propose a counter plan on this question meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/399320/…Braiam 34 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Braiam
Note, I've written this in haste and without proper planning since it is planned to do the same barbarity that happened with excel-vba. This is the counterplan to that in the way that it actually make sense and what I was expecting to write as solution to the excel tag debacle but sadly couldn't since I don't know much about excel. — Braiam 37 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by philipxy
I know what the question is about generally but your post is not clear, also it should be self-contained, also please clarify via edits, not comments. — philipxy 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Braiam
@philipxy "Leave access-vba alone!" is this post summed up. The last sentence attest to that. — Braiam 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Braiam
Also, I kinda forgot about it. — Braiam 8 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zoe
excel-vba could have some questions cleaned up, and then have the entire tag split with fancy mod and/or staff tools. This would require manually editing 48000 questions with context in mind. The removal of excel-vba is like the removal of a NAA answer in comparison — Zoe 10 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Trilarion
To me an "and it may be outdated quickly" is missing in that rule. Anyway, why don't you ask for "What are all the ways I can use $ in jQuery?". People will write your desired documentation here or will link to it if it already exists (unless it would be too broad, in which case I don't know what to do). — Trilarion 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Braiam
@Zoe access is easier. Get all the questions with ms-access + vba to have the access-vba. Remove ms-access. Only ~3k questions would need manual intervention as they only have ms-access tag data.stackexchange.com/stackoverflow/query/1209144/… I cannot comment on how could have happened with ms-excel. — Braiam 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Daniel Kaplan
@Trilarion I'm happy to do that, but can I also ask for a link to the official documentation? — Daniel Kaplan 2 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Trilarion
@iainH "Downvoting without leaving a helpful explanation will not improve the quality of the content, and put less experienced people off" If the downvotes are really well deserved then the quality of the overall content on SO that is seen by visitors is improved by downvoting without explanation because: downvoted questions may get auto-deleted, may get less traffic, can result in question bans, can result in fear and more carefulness with the next questions, can be seen as a general hint to check the question again with help from the help center. Not all of it may be good but it works. — Trilarion 52 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by juls07
@Mari-LouA thats how you do it in posts sorry for not knowing how to put them in comments when i never post comments — juls07 11 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by juls07
@E_net4isoutofclosevotes thanks for the help one of the only people to actually help thanks — juls07 22 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Trilarion
You could add "If possible, please add links to official documentation." I don't think it's wrong to ask for links to official documentation (that should always be included if available) but it cannot be the main question. The keyword here is only if possible/existing. If not, it may need to be created by the answerers here. — Trilarion 31 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Bhargav Rao
Please don't use the VLQ flag for an answer that can be edited to make sense. It needs to be used for gibberish only. — Bhargav Rao ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by juls07
@Zoe tons of my "deleted" questions were automatically deleted after 60 days of inactivity — juls07 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Oleg Valter
@DanielKaplan - you can, but as currently worded ("where is") the question is pointless (in a strict sense) to other readers. This information should be in a jquery wiki as a link to a "useful resource". Please, use the following guideline to help you ask a good question about official documentation: if the question can be validly answered as "go to the official website: [website]" it is likely that it will not be well-received. — Oleg Valter 6 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Bhargav Rao
As @TemaniAfif mentions, the answer is a valid one. It is not a VLQ. It did not require too much editing not guesswork. — Bhargav Rao ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zoe
The deletion reason doesn't matter. They're also still off-topic whether they're deleted or not — Zoe 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by juls07
@Zoe what do you mean by that? — juls07 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by juls07
@CodyGray nice try but its not what my questions needs thanks for trying though — juls07 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by juls07
i do not treat stack overflow as a normal forum site i post my programming questions nad road blocks on stack overflow nothing like i would post on Reddit, Quora, usenet ect. — juls07 13 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Bhargav Rao
 
9:53 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by F1Krazy
If you're question-banned, please don't try and circumvent it by posting your question here instead. It will just get closed and deleted. Instead, please try and work on getting yourself out of the question ban. — F1Krazy 31 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by F1Krazy
Well, I'm afraid we can't help you. You'll either have to wait until your question ban has been lifted, or just... ask somewhere else. — F1Krazy 29 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Mabadai
Im trying too, for a while. But leaving all that behind, i really need some support from a community who knows how to answer this type of question... unfortunately, the time has come. — Mabadai 1 min ago
 
10:09 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Temani Afif
I guess like any election in the real world, you can do this. — Temani Afif 1 min ago
 
10:21 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Alexander Konovalov
@CodyGray thanks for looking at this! From what I have seen so far, the default highlighting renders GAP code quite well (@Mike applied it a number of posts already), and it's better with it rather than without any highlighting at all. I think it will be useful if you can apply it automatically to all gap-system questions [I am mostly active at math.stackexchange.com/questions/tagged/gap since most of questions have mathematical content and are asked there - it would be nice to have the default syntax highlighting there too, if possible at all.] — Alexander Konovalov 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zoe
I mean, as long as you're not registering sock accounts to vote, illegally getting access to accounts, or otherwise violating the ToS or laws, it's mostly fine. Discussing candidates with people is also perfectly fine — Zoe 1 min ago
 
10:33 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by gnat
@Trilarion this wording is slippery because one can argue that it can be interpreted as "If possible, please add links to official documentation as answers", which returns us back to link recommendation question. Safer wording would be something like, "preferably answers would be supported by links to official documentation" — gnat 22 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by kriss
@PeterMortensen: Thanks, fixed — kriss 28 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Daniel Kaplan
do the downvotes mean the purpose of the rule shouldn't be considered? — Daniel Kaplan 2 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by gnat
some of votes may mean that no matter how seriously you (and me, and all meta, and whoever else) consider the purpose of the rule, there will always be careless answerers who will screw it up and just dump links into the answers following solely the letter (and not the spirit) of the question. Once upon a time people were hoping that voting such careless / useless answers down would suffice to maintain desired content quality but this has been proven inefficient long time ago. "This is why we can't have nice things" — gnat 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Oleg Valter
@DanielKaplan - please note that the downvotes can be about your stance on the matter of posting a question asking about an off-site resource, not the question you highlighted (in fact, I am one of the upvoters as the I completely agree with the question that the purpose of the rule should weigh more than than the rule. I disagree that this is applicable in your situation, though). Your question makes an assumption that in this case the rule was applied "by letter" and not "by spirit", but that is not a given fact and is debatable in the first place. However well-intentioned your question... — Oleg Valter 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Oleg Valter
...may be (I was suprized to not be able to find an easy duplicate target for documentation on usage of $ selector), when asked as a request for a link to the documentation, it will attract low-quality grabs at easy reputation / attempts to promote a blog, developer website, etc. In this case it would be much more beneficial to just not create extra opportunities for abuse. The benefit is too small to justify potential problems. A canonical (if there are no dupes, ofc.) on the ways of using the selector would benefit the community more — Oleg Valter 1 min ago
 
11:01 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Hoppeduppeanut
One of the measures that's taken if a post is flagged as spam is the offending account loses 100 reputation, but this isn't reflected in the user's reputation summary for reasons, so that's probably what happened here. Is this something that a 10k user can confirm is the case? — Hoppeduppeanut 41 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by ex nihilo
@Hoppeduppeanut -- I wondered if that might be the case, and you are probably right. But that makes the rep graph pretty confusing. — ex nihilo 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Martijn Pieters
@Hoppeduppeanut that’s exactly what happened to this user. — Martijn Pieters ♦ 1 min ago
 
11:31 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user4642212
Just wanted to mention that a single backslash and single backtick work in comments, too: \, `. Type: ``\``, `\``. — user4642212 43 secs ago
 

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