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4:49 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Abdul Aziz Barkat
@STerliakov probably an oversight. From what I understand the search for questions and posts of different kinds uses the same implementation and the database table where these are stored is also the same table. Articles were somewhat of a recent addition to this system, they did ensure the articles don't show up by default when searching but probably forgot to update the counting logic. — Abdul Aziz Barkat 38 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Abdul Aziz Barkat
This same issue also stands for Staging Ground (They are included in the count on the tag details page), but doesn't apply to discussions for some reason. — Abdul Aziz Barkat 45 secs ago
 
 
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6:26 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Abdul Aziz Barkat
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Mr. Irrelevant
@AbdulAzizBarkat this explains what other flags are a better fit in which situations, but not why you never use VLQ on Questions as well why its available if mods don't want you to use it. — Mr. Irrelevant 52 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Robert Longson
Moderators didn't create the UI. — Robert Longson 52 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Abdul Aziz Barkat
@Mr.Irrelevant the most upvoted answer there is by a moderator, quoting from their first paragraph: nobody has the foggiest idea what "very low quality" (VLQ) flags on questions are forAbdul Aziz Barkat 32 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Mr. Irrelevant
if no one knows, why are they available in the context of a question then? — Mr. Irrelevant 54 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Abdul Aziz Barkat
There's a feature request to have it removed. Doesn't seem to have caught the attention of staff or gained much traction though. — Abdul Aziz Barkat 30 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Mr. Irrelevant
lol 10 years ago — Mr. Irrelevant 7 secs ago
 
6:47 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Lundin
Obviously a very low quality question is one which should be deleted (and isn't spam). Closing questions do get them deleted eventually (unless answered and upvoted) but surely there are cases where a question can't be salvaged and there's no harm in deleting it from the start. If the flag achieves that or not, nobody seems to know. — Lundin 13 secs ago
 
6:57 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Abdul Aziz Barkat
"to not discourage people from asking questions and give more constructive feedback" not really thats not the reasoning behind that. It's just VLQ essentially means "This needs to be deleted" but the reason why it needs to be deleted is left ambiguous. Adding to this we have a set of more suitable flagging / closure reasons that basically cover everything you might cast a VLQ flag for. In essence VLQ flag is wasting moderator time. The answers on the linked question explain all of this very well along with what the flag was intended for and that the moderators want to get rid of it. — Abdul Aziz Barkat 27 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Abdul Aziz Barkat
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Mr. Irrelevant
oh yeah I forgot, not discouraging people wouldn't be very stack overflowish ;) — Mr. Irrelevant 24 secs ago
 
7:13 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Abdul Aziz Barkat
Regarding "language barriers": From what I understand generative AI models aren't built specifically for the purpose of translations, so although they might allow one to translate things their accuracy is not guaranteed. If users are using other dedicated models for translation (they do exist) and those are being mistaken as generative AI that would be a topic the community might want to discuss. — Abdul Aziz Barkat 14 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Mr. Irrelevant
anyway I got a lot of duplicate suggestions but none of them explain why this flag can be used on questions in the first place. — Mr. Irrelevant 26 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Mr. Irrelevant
tbh I feel like its currently just a trap for your flags to be declined and loosing your privilege to flag stuff — Mr. Irrelevant 53 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Erik A
Note that the ban focuses on real "generative" AI, rewriting tools that only change wording, not meaning, such as Grammarly, are generally considered exempt — Erik A 1 min ago
 
7:47 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by VLAZ
I don't think you can lose flag privileges. — VLAZ 59 secs ago
 
8:13 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Zdub
@ErikA Thank you - that's super helpful to understand — Zdub 36 secs ago
 
9:11 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Dalija Prasnikar
Word of caution. While Grammarly used to only correct grammar using non generative AI, they are now also offering generative AI tools which do rewrite the content with AI and which can be detected as being AI generated or assisted. — Dalija Prasnikar ♦ 24 secs ago
 
 
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10:28 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Daniel F
Considering ADHD is basically a global flag for "Needs Focus" it's very likely a question written by someone with it would be closed with a similar flag. I personally have ADHD and have spent 2 days doing a Mark Twain "writing is easy, just cross out all the wrong words" activity on a question to make sure it doesn't get immediately deleted. — Daniel F 46 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Daniel F
Case in point - the point of the above is that it's unlikely "let editors fix it in post" would do much to help, since a standard ADHD influenced question will get closed before getting a chance, even if an editor could save it. — Daniel F 53 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Daniel F
That said, GenAI probably isn't the answer either, since someone with ADHD is also less likely to be able to catch anything the GenAI hallucinates into the question. — Daniel F 6 secs ago
 
10:49 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Lundin
@DanielF And yet you are writing fully coherent comments in flawless English here. So perhaps you too are exaggerating the impact of your diagnosis? — Lundin 14 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Daniel F
It just took me 3 comments over 10 minutes to make a point >.< I don't have problems expressing myself in english, I have problems with stopping expressing myself. — Daniel F 1 min ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Erik A
Do you know about discussions? It's basically what you propose but without downvotes and close votes so most posts are trash. — Erik A 50 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Abdul Aziz Barkat
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Abdul Aziz Barkat
Also given you've stated the request as one for a new site, this is not the correct place for that request. See: How can I propose a new Stack Exchange community?Abdul Aziz Barkat 40 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by zozo
Didn't know about discussions. That's what I was looking for. The name sounded like something else to me. — zozo 28 secs ago
 
 
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12:20 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Daniel F
There does seem to be some "do you read Meta?" checks baked into the review process. — Daniel F 52 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Mr. Irrelevant
I dont feel like meta has a clear answer to my question, the opinion on VLQ on Questions is ambiguous. — Mr. Irrelevant 26 secs ago
 
12:40 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by blackgreen
RE: So the Flag should in some opinion apply to all questions that should be closed — Cody's opinion, which is largely shared by the moderation team, is quite unambiguous on this: "Moderators aren't really supposed to be your personal question-closing valets" — blackgreen ♦ 18 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
The question you linked to should realistically be edited into a form that's more factual. (Which is very possible, since you're just asking if encoding images in base64 has any technical advantages). That said, 64 upvotes over about 12 years really isn't much at all. This isn't a great example of a high-impact question... — Cerbrus 45 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
While you have a point, @Lundin, this is coming across a little... Abrasive. "What makes you think you can do X with disability Y" is pretty bad form. — Cerbrus 38 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
@DalijaPrasnikar that's a different tool that's not available in their grammar correction plugins. I hate it when people constantly bring that tool up when that has nothing to do with Grammarly's standard spelling correction functionality. That's like warning people not to ingest the shampoo Unilever licenses when binging on Ben & Jerry's. Just because it's the same parent company, doesn't mean they're the same thing. — Cerbrus 30 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Dalija Prasnikar
@Cerbrus Because sooner or later someone will user that Grammarly AI tool and then claim that they through everything from Grammarly is allowed. — Dalija Prasnikar ♦ 28 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Lundin
@Cerbrus That's not what I said. And this all seems like the typical "I'm the victim, nobody respects people of flavour x and therefore you ought to do y" post that are oh-so fashionable these days. Where x can be anything... disabilities, ethnicity, gender. And if you question a single portion of what they are saying, you are bad. I'm not going to play that game and I haven't disrespected anyone, so... — Lundin 22 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
"If you don't think you are able to ask a question on SO for whatever disability reason you might have, what makes you think you'll be able to create an AI prompt to a chat bot and have it "proof read" your question?" Please explain to me how that is not what you said? — Cerbrus 7 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Lundin
@Cerbrus You put text inside quotation marks that I have never written. That's not how you quote someone. — Lundin 14 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
Huh? I literally pulled that from your answer. — Cerbrus 39 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Lundin
Anyway, if someone can explain to me exactly why "prompt engineering" ChatGPT into giving a proof-reading of a supposedly incoherent question and changing it, then filter out the chat bot response is easier than just attempting to ask the question directly on SO, then I'm all ears listening to that argument. And not just "people with ADHD have it harder to formulate questions", nobody is questioning that and that's not what this is about either. — Lundin 35 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Lundin
@Cerbrus Your first quote is made up to seem harsher than how the actual answer was written, aka misquoting. — Lundin 48 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
That first one wasn't a direct quote. It was paraphrasing to make a point of how your answer comes across. Comments don't have very much formatting options for that. — Cerbrus 54 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
Loads better! That was all! — Cerbrus 37 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Lundin
@Cerbrus I made an attempt to rephrase it. — Lundin 51 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
@DalijaPrasnikar I actually realized that the rewrite tool is directly available in the plugin... Yikes. — Cerbrus 58 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Daniel F
I didn't ask for any accomodation and in fact stated that AI wasn't the answer for my particular issue. I simply said that throwing oneself at the mercy of the edit queue isn't an option for folks with ADHD. I'm not sure how that's being construed into "boo hoo I'm a victim" other than as reflex against any accomodation at all. — Daniel F 13 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Mr. Irrelevant
I understand but still I'm asking myself why this flag is an option then if even mods are annoyed by it. — Mr. Irrelevant 44 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Mr. Irrelevant
also for some reason someone voted down all my questions on SO after this got posted thanks on that. — Mr. Irrelevant 1 min ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Bart McEndree
Can we please add this to the badge description "The Tenacious badge exists to encourage answering in less-popular tags, where you may get a lot of questions from new users that cannot yet vote." In fact please make sure all badges include justification for their existence. — Bart McEndree 21 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Security Hound
Who exactly is going to answer these low quality questions with high quality answers? The example questions will encourage low quality answers just like you got in the question you originally asked in 2012. — Security Hound 56 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Abdul Aziz Barkat
@Mr.Irrelevant uhh, because the moderators aren't the developers / engineers that of the site or are the people who set the priorities of these developers. The moderators are elected by the community from normal users they aren't even Stack Overflow employees. — Abdul Aziz Barkat just now
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Abdul Aziz Barkat
@Mr.Irrelevant uhh, because the moderators aren't the developers / engineers that of the site or are the people who set the priorities of these developers. The moderators are elected by the community from normal users they aren't even Stack Overflow employees. — Abdul Aziz Barkat 1 min ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Lundin
@DanielF Different people will have different levels of difficulty posting questions, no matter if the reason is ADHD, dyslectics or because they are just not native English. All of these at individual degrees, there's no such thing as a general diagnosis. We are constantly prompting non-native English to post on SO, at the mercy of the edit queue. While they might in fact have a much harder time here than a native English with ADHD. There's different degrees of everything. — Lundin just now
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Lundin
Anyway, we seem to agree that Gen AI is not the best solution to the problem. There are non-AI spelling/grammar checking tools that might be far more helpful. — Lundin 44 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Lundin
I don't think we necessarily need to assume good faith. This was still a very bad answer which should be deleted - a rose by any other name. If people are concerned that their very low quality crap might be mistaken for spam, then maybe they should put some utter minimum of effort into their answers to avoid that. No matter the intention - what harm is there to suspend them for spamming, if this is their way to "contribute" to the site? — Lundin 12 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by TylerH
This is probably due to the now long-standing bug (maybe for 2 years now) that has failed to properly garbage collect some tags when their question count reaches zero. AKA, this is a bug. — TylerH 53 secs ago
 
2:38 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by user229044
ChatGPT is not allowed here. Please don't dump ChatGPT-written content into the site. — user229044 ♦ 30 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by &#208;аո
@Lundin why is there such a concerted effort to find a way to not call obvious gunk, gunk? This isn't a criminal court where it's better to let 99 bad posts stay than to accidentally remove the 1 good one. — Ðаո 56 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Sina Salam
It's absolutely not chatGPT — Sina Salam 58 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by user229044
The reviewer gave you very clear feedback: "This is an incomplete and vague conten. It has no info about implementation and no code. We cannot approve an article with the hope that you'd provide something useful afterwards. Put aside that the scope of what you've "shown" is way too broad anyway and I have a hard time to imagine it as a good fit for articles."user229044 ♦ 13 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Sina Salam
If it's a ChatGPT or even plagiarism content issues, why won't the moderator or reviewer say it? — Sina Salam 55 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Sina Salam
The guideline says: We should submit an outline summarizing your key ideas for approval. Not full content with code — Sina Salam 52 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Lundin
@Ðаո I've been fighting that fight on meta for more than a decade. There's always been the "crap huggers" who are deadly afraid of deleting a post which has a fragment of an intention of an attempt to answer the question. Instead such attempts must be put on display, archived and preserved for future generations. Let it be known that while not everyone were able to post mediocre or better answers on SO back in the days, at least they tried. — Lundin 1 min ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by yivi
How would you flag an anonymous user? — yivi 34 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by CPlus
Flag the post as 'In need of moderator intervention' and explain what is going on. — CPlus 15 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by rene
As long as you reject and pick spam/abusive their IP goes into spamram, hopefully slowing them down/blocking them for a certain period.. — rene 16 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Thom A
The "best" the moderator team could do is block list the IP from making suggested edits, but I don't even know if the moderators have that sort of power against IPs. Is this a one off? Your title suggests that this has happened multiple times. — Thom A 54 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Braiam
@NoDataDumpNoContribution which is funny because the help center says explicitly: If you are not comfortable with the idea of your contributions being collaboratively edited by other trusted users, this may not be the site for you. Maybe we should start removing said users more forcefully. — Braiam 19 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Security Hound
@SinaSalam - "If it's a ChatGPT or even plagiarism content issues, why won't the moderator or reviewer say it?" - To avoid the situation where you spend time trying to modify ChatGPT responses into something that might appear to be acceptable. ChatGPT responses even those modified by a human are not allowed. — Security Hound 10 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Dave
@ThomA It's the first time it's happened to me, but S/O is big enough that it's unlikely to be a unique occurrence. — Dave 31 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by TylerH
The two original dupe targets are still relevant, but I added a third which is a slam-dunk target for this issue. — TylerH just now
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by &#208;аո
@Lundin and at this point (10 years later) the chances of any random post being either gunk or a duplicate is higher than it was "back in the day." There are numerous things that could be done to address the (relatively rare) case where something "good" is inadvertently removed, rather than assuming every byte is precious and some way—*any way*—must be found to keep it. — Ðаո 10 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by VLAZ
"The user who made the inappropriate edit is anonymous, so I don't see how to flag them" you can't even "flag" an existing user. You can only flag posts. If you need to flag something that's not contained to a post (e.g., pattern of pots, a user, something else) typically you should flag any post and explain why with a custom reason. A post related to the custom reason is probably best but if such a thing does not exist, then you can even flag and of your own posts. — VLAZ 43 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by TylerH
@DavidNehme just flag another post (that the user interacted with, preferably) and link to their profile. — TylerH 19 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Sina Salam
Your explanation make sense; it is clear to me than rejections. — Sina Salam 34 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Augusto Vasques
@ThomA IP blocking may not be a solution because many people around the world still use dynamic IPs. — Augusto Vasques 50 secs ago
 
3:39 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Thom A
I didn't say it would be a solution, just that's the likely the best that could be done, @AugustoVasques . — Thom A 48 secs ago
 
4:25 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
Unintentional spam is still spam and should be flagged and deleted as such. A user registering with their website name as profile name, and linking that website in a "I've got this issue too" answer is textbook spam. There's no way that's unintentional. — Cerbrus 38 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by CPlus
Moderators sometimes moderate based on their personal opinion. I personally disagree with the assertion that VLQ flags on questions should NEVER be used. Theoretically, they should be used on questions that are basically gibberish but are not deliberately made as an attempt to abuse the system, and thus are not R/A. — CPlus 6 secs ago
 
5:02 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Imad
Hey mod, don't impose your opinion on everyone. It is assumed that you'd influence the endorsement of features of this platform. Putting a log's stacktrace in a collapsible section is one of MANY reasons such a useful feature should be in these forums. It seems to me everyone is making a good case for this. Humility is a virtue. — Imad 20 secs ago
 
5:58 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Karl Knechtel
@Lundin the point is that marking something as spam within the system carries additional consequences that simply deleting the answer does not. — Karl Knechtel 23 secs ago
 
6:35 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by dan1st
Regarding your edit: While this would make it unambiguous, I think this would just make the tag wiki bigger/require more work updating and reviewing for no significant advantage. — dan1st 7 secs ago
 
6:52 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by TylerH
"Is there a way on the platform to synonymize python-3.x -> python for new questions only?" No, tags are always site-wide; can't do subsets of questions, unfortunately. — TylerH just now
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by TylerH
It looks like people are still occasionally asking about Python 2.x, so I don't think this is appropriate. — TylerH 12 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by wim
@TylerH Asking about Python 2.x is fine. In that case you add python and python-2.x. What's the problem? — wim 34 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by TylerH
We can't really expect two sets of rules based on a version number. If v2.x askers have to specify a version, why not version 3 askers? This is really something that we need tag hierarchies/parent tags for, honestly. — TylerH 32 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Thom A
And some people just go ahead and tag both versions. — Thom A 57 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by wim
@TylerH For the reason stated in the first paragraph of this post. Python 3.x is just "Python", it does not add any useful context. Python 2.x does add useful context. — wim 5 secs ago
 
7:07 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by TylerH
@ThomA Well, FWIW, the only question w/ both that was asked this year is apparently wanting code that runs in both environments. But I think such questions are a good example of why version tags for both 2.x and 3.x are warranted. Just having one for 2.x would not indicate to readers that the question is about both versions, leading to a situation where people who are experts on interop/conversion between the two versions to potentially miss the question. — TylerH 23 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by TylerH
You mention connecting via 3 different networks and not finding success, but then mention it works at your workplace... is that a 4th network or one of the 3? Also, do you have any user scripts in play on your personal devices that might not be installed on your work computer? What browser did you use at work where you were able to post? — TylerH 16 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Steve Summit
@TylerH Yes, the work network was one of the ones that didn't work with the personal Mac. Work computer is Firefox on Windows. No customizations on either of the personal Macs that I would think would affect posting questions to Stack -- or that have in the past. — Steve Summit 59 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by TylerH
Have you tested a non-Safari browser on any of the Macs? That would help determine if it's browser-specific or OS-specific. — TylerH 53 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Steve Summit
@TylerH Good suggestion, thanks. I won't be able to test that until later tonight, but I will. — Steve Summit 25 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Makyen
Please provide in each case that you tested, your OS, OS version, browser (assumed to be Safari), and browser version. — Makyen ♦ 29 secs ago
 
7:37 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by PM 2Ring
Also, as I said a couple of years ago on this related question, there are numerous Python-related questions that don't have any Python tag. Eg, pandas, django, numpyPM 2Ring 41 secs ago
 
7:52 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by wim
Wanting cross-compatible code is rare these days, but if you need that it must be mentioned in the prose - it can not be communicated using only tags due to poor signal/noise ratio here. This is not a convincing use-case for the continued existence of a [python-3.x] tag. — wim 12 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Didier L
I praise your neutrality in this answer! — Didier L 24 secs ago
 
 
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9:53 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Karl Knechtel
@TylerH it's about one a month on average, and they're mostly garbage "work order" questions ("but please keep in mind I need this to work on 2.x too", with zero thought given as to why this would actually cause a problem) and duplicates. — Karl Knechtel 39 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Karl Knechtel
"If v2.x askers have to specify a version, why not version 3 askers?" - Someone with subject matter expertise could not ask this sincerely, IMO. It's comparable to asking why [html5] is synonymized to [html] already. — Karl Knechtel 37 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Karl Knechtel
@PM2Ring The [python] tag should be added to those normally, because people with generic Python expertise will typically be qualified to answer or curate them. Questions should only do this "library tag only, no language tag" thing when the library is commonly used from more than one language and the question is about the actual idioms of the library itself. — Karl Knechtel 1 min ago
 
 
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11:12 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Karl Knechtel
The question ban has nothing to do with DEI. Quite the opposite, in fact: you are being gatekept specifically and solely because of the content of your posts - specifically your failure to pay attention to and understand the relevant standards and guidelines as well as the overall purpose of the community. Bluntly, we don't care what you "think is ok" in a question; and asking a suitable question has nothing to do with "being a pro". — Karl Knechtel 29 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Karl Knechtel
Restrictions on posting exist because having several poor questions already has a high correlation with posting further poor questions in the future. There are way more people trying to ask low-quality questions than there are people available to evaluate them - orders of magnitude more. It would simply not be workable to "delete the [question]" every time because there are simply too many of them. — Karl Knechtel 35 secs ago
 

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