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1:09 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Security Hound
@DavidThielen - You don’t know who downvoted your question so you can’t even say with any confidence that a moderator downvoted your question. Furthermore, a moderator definitely didn’t vote to close your question, so that’s definitely it true. So the last sentence in your question is a statement that isn’t true. — Security Hound 11 secs ago
 
 
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3:13 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
Re "Bandwidth, readability, and much more": Searchability is by far the most important. How are search engines supposed to match an error message to a question on Stack Overflow when the error message in that question is an image? (Yes, that is a rhetorical question.) — Peter Mortensen 47 secs ago
 
 
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6:06 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by wilson0x4d
Revisionist, and pure theory. Votes rank Questions and Answers, making the quantity issue irrelevant in all contexts except where "Focus on Quality" is causing tunnel-vision. SO dominated because of the SCORED Q&A format combined with with Google ranking taking into account Q&A scores and started bypassing click-throughs by presenting answers directly, and suddenly searches for "thing not working" landed you directly on SO. SO had no special sauce other than a scoring system. At its inception the most popular format was BBcode boards, but they didn't score threads nor rank responses. [1/2] — wilson0x4d 6 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Fe2O3
So, instead competent experts spend their time reading beginner's code snippets (no MRE in sight) stackoverflow.com/q/78356151/17592432, and providing debugging services seeking to correct unnecessary & poorly written code that is based on a bad premise about the design of the task. The accepted answer to this clearly stated question DOES NOT address the OP's question. What is the value of this linked Q&A to the SO archive? — Fe2O3 40 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by wilson0x4d
Experts Exchange, the nearest equivalent at the time was walling everything driving users away at a time when most internet users were (and still are) disinterested with having to register for something just to read an answer to something that they can find an answer to anywhere else by going back to their search engine an scrolling 5 more lines. — wilson0x4d 1 min ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by rene
@Gimby +100 Karma .... — rene 33 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by wilson0x4d
Where SO took a bad turn was letting users believe that discarding content they don't like, rather than farm and improve content quality, was the right way to be.. the barrage of vote-closes rather than grooming is evidence of this. SO built a reward system that encourages this behavior. Contrary to popular belief, there are seasoned professionals that refuse to participate here because of the poor attitudes and a lack of supportive behavior ("friendly interaction") that had been thrust upon them when they first joined. Fix the disproportionate reward system and you'll improve retention. — wilson0x4d 26 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by rene
doing nothing doesn't lift a quality-ban: stackoverflow.com/users/4967582/…rene 11 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by user
@wilson0x4d you seem to be moving toward a topic of discussion that is not directly related to the question post here. You can start a new Q&A discussion post. — user 45 secs ago
 
 
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10:44 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Security Hound
Review suspensions come from failing multiple audits; that was an audit, and the question was deleted. — Security Hound 54 secs ago
 
11:43 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Braiam
Moderators refusal to click a single button that gives you the answer in context is amazing. It seems that the only way we can get moderators to stop this bad faith argument is to ask the company to show you the question in the same way reviewers are shown answers with the question in a single page. — Braiam 49 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Braiam
"but then the same guidance kinda softly contradicts this interpretation", because moderators routinely refuse to get 1 more click to have this context. They can and have the tools to get this context. Reviewers on the LQRQ get this context by default. The only solution I see to this is to explicitly show them this content. This is even told by a moderator on others sitesBraiam 52 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Braiam
@Ðаո actually no, if you keep the flags on the review queue for long enough rather than kicking to moderators, you will notice that they will routinely behave as you would expect: evaluate the post in context. — Braiam 1 min ago
 
12:24 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by MisterMiyagi
Have you tried whether this if from \r\n endings? I've seen this on lots of posts, many of which did not show signs of being code for Windows. — MisterMiyagi 29 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Nick is tired
This is nothing to do with windows style line endings. — Nick is tired 6 secs ago
 
1:14 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Carlo Wood
21 + 23 = 44, not 42. — Carlo Wood 46 secs ago
 
1:55 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by snakecharmerb
"I believe that every vote needs to have a date attached to it... then said old vote should be considered void." - isn't this what the "trending" sort does, more or less? — snakecharmerb 33 secs ago
 
2:31 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Carlo Wood
This is my solution too - it should apply to every language with versions (including C++ thus). It is sad that this answer only got 9 up votes; imho that proves that the voting system isn't working: "answers" that are posted shortly after a question is posted get a lot of attention and THEREFORE a lot of up votes. Very good answers that are posted much later get very little attention and therefore only a few up votes: the number of votes are meaningless when deciding what is the best answer. — Carlo Wood 8 secs ago
 
2:43 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Carlo Wood
Current A.I. are well suited to find which C++ version is a minimum requirement (aka: it sees a feature is being used that only appeared in c++17). I'd rather rely on an A.I. to tag C++ answers (which then will also fix all existing answers!) then hope that the author will not forget to add which version he is currently using (they will think it to be obvious that it is the latest version in many cases). Of course, the tag should be editable - so that people can fix any error the A.I. might make. — Carlo Wood 53 secs ago
 
3:02 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Mark Amery
@CarloWood indeed, but an attempt to answer the question shouldn't be flagged as NAA, even if it's wrong. I deliberately made sure it was a wrong answer to make clear that it's irrelevance, not merely incorrectness, that makes NAA applicable under the standard in the flag description. — Mark Amery 38 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by STerliakov
May I ask why "articles" are counted as questions on the tag details page?.. Can it be somehow, uhm, made clear - like "0 questions, 268 articles are using this tag"? I'm glad that articles do not appear in regular searches, thanks for that, but hell, this mystery bugs me. Hurts me. I can't coexist with major discrepancies in summary statistics! — STerliakov 35 secs ago
 
3:34 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
You can't throw an AI at a problem and expect it to work. What if a answer doesn't contain version-specific code, or the only difference between versions is functional? Alos, the first half of this question is off-topic (rambling / ranting), so that's not adding value to your answer. — Cerbrus 38 secs ago
 
3:46 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by VLAZ
So, a simple plan: 1. Create versioned tags 2. ? 3. Profit. — VLAZ 7 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by einpoklum
@CarloWood: "Current A.I. are well suited to find which C++ version is a minimum requirement" - I'm not so sure. Maybe for straightforward cases. — einpoklum 20 secs ago
 
4:43 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by PM 2Ring
LLM-based AI can perform some code analysis tasks well. But the problem is that if it doesn't detect a real pattern it's extremely likely that it will hallucinate a bogus pattern. You can mitigate that to an extent by training, but that requires input from human experts. That sort of training task can be rather gruelling, and few experts are likely to do it voluntarily. — PM 2Ring 43 secs ago
 
 
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6:00 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by user4581301
Lack of research is a downvote reason, not a close reason. Sometimes no close reason really fits and the better option is talking the asker into describing what they think the code does and changing the question to "Am I right? or "Where did I start to misunderstand?" — user4581301 33 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Cardinal System
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by user4581301
That said, if someone's dropping a like a hundred lines of code and asking what it does, you have a good case for needs focus. — user4581301 47 secs ago
 
6:16 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by user4581301
Gotta disagree with Jeff in the general case, and in the specific case of the questions in the link, both are still open 13 years later, though one sent a bit of time closed, and neither had a significant content edit. Someone who needs clarification on a few lines of code, that's one thing. Clarification on a couple dozen lines or the whole program is a different matter. — user4581301 19 secs ago
 
6:29 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by user4581301
That question is about a mile off topic and you should have selected one of the close reasons along with downvoting it. I can't speak for the server, but I would have accepted Not about programming or Seeking recommendations as good close reasons. — user4581301 43 secs ago
 
6:46 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by David Thielen
@SecurityHound As I said in my previous comments, I didn't understand the difference between downvotes and votes to close. And sorry for my confusion on that. In my own use of SO I have probably down voted a couple of times total. And the only times I voted to close was when an answer was clearly wrong. So I'm not well versed in either and therefore was not paying attention to their difference. — David Thielen 34 secs ago
 
7:05 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Mark Amery
@Braiam I dunno; I am sympathetic to the mods' desire to stop people using canned flag reasons for all but the most utterly obvious cases. A point I've made before: don't put mods who are having to churn through flags in bulk in a position where they must independently reach your conclusion reasoning from a blank slate, because that is inevitably failure-prone and more work for them; instead, spell your chain of reasoning out, even if it seems kind of obvious (to you, after spending enough time looking at the question to care to raise a flag). — Mark Amery 28 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Mark Amery
@Braiam Even in this case it would've been prudent to raise a custom flag along the lines of "NAA; the point about smooth scrolling was already in the question and thus this is purely a 'thank you' post making no attempt to add new info or answer". The problem, in my opinion, is simply that that's not what the flag description says, and even if it makes sense in principle to have a policy of only using the canned NAA flag in cases where zero effort or thought is required from mods to verify the flag, you can't expect users to know that's the policy if the flag description contradicts it. — Mark Amery 12 secs ago
 
7:28 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Security Hound
@DavidThielen - Downvotes indicate a quality problem with the question, a close vote and the closure of a question, allows the author to fix the quality problem. Sometimes a question will simply be out of scope no matter what. — Security Hound 17 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Security Hound
Moderators in the case of incorrect review decisions will take action. In this specific case it was an audit, and again a review suspension, is the result of multiple incidents of incorrect decisions — Security Hound just now
 
7:50 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Security Hound
“the only times I voted to close was when an answer was clearly wrong.” - Why would you vote to close a question because it received an inaccurate answer? — Security Hound 42 secs ago
 
 
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8:52 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by user
this is where I'd put my SEDE query for this... IF I HAD ONEuser just now
 
 
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10:58 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by khelwood
Typically needs focus on what specific thing they're having trouble understanding. — khelwood 20 secs ago
 
11:46 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Karl Knechtel
That example question isn't even about the entire macro (pair of macros, really), but specifically the :-!! construct. — Karl Knechtel 49 secs ago
 
11:57 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
@Carlo Wood: But it is artistically right, after the shoe event horizon was reached (to support the statue) — Peter Mortensen 38 secs ago
 

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