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12:14 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by user4581301
I don't follow any of the technologies you asked about and can't offer input on how to improve those questions to help dig you out. Who is irrelevant now? — user4581301 15 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by user4581301
Me, I'd just burn a downvote and a delete vote and not bother involving a mod on a post like that. They have more than enough <expletive deleted> to dig through. If other users didn't follow my lead and finish nuking it, maybe I'd poke a mod in a few days, but odds are I'll have forgotten about it by then. — user4581301 33 secs ago
 
12:57 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by M--
@user4581301 it had a positive score before meta effect. — M-- 26 secs ago
 
1:07 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by &#208;аո
@user4581301 the problem isn't that the mods have too much to do, it's that the rest of us don't have proper tools. — Ðаո 24 secs ago
 
2:02 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Lamper46
I'm still a relatively new user of SO and MSO, but I think that people post images of their code either because they don't want to have to worry about the indentation being incorrect when they copy and paste or because they just don't know how they are supposed to do it. If it's your first time posting a question, the markdown formatting can be confusing. "Do I use ``` at the beginning and the end?" "Do I do four spaces after every line of code?" It's things like these that might make it confusing for newbies posting their first questions. — Lamper46 7 secs ago
 
 
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3:35 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Stephen C
One thing to note is that the "by design" answer you linked to is ~10 years old. Something someone (who no longer works for SE) said 10 years ago should be suspected of being out-of-date. — Stephen C 43 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Gino Mempin
Does this answer your question? Why *do* people post code as images?Gino Mempin 7 secs ago
 
 
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6:10 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by MT1
@Dharman volume is a keyword for azure-databricks - could you reject my very hasty edits to the tag wiki please? — MT1 1 min ago
 
7:07 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by snakecharmerb
They may believe that their question may that more experienced programmers can answer their question by simply looking at the code, and do not consider that answerers may need to run the code. — snakecharmerb 26 secs ago
 
 
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9:39 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Abdul Aziz Barkat
A search for is:article [how-to-guide] gives 104 results. — Abdul Aziz Barkat just now
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Abdul Aziz Barkat
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Security Hound
@DavidThielen - “Look at the votes for this question. There's 9 downvotes. That tells me that a lot of people here think asking how to improve my questions is not appropriate.” - It could also be interpreted as, how you improve those questions, is well documented. In the case of my downvotes, which I provided explicit feedback, suggested your understanding of the effect of a vote isn’t correct. Specifically, you said a downvote would affect the placement, of a question on the page (it doesn’t) — Security Hound 11 secs ago
 
10:33 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Lundin
Deleting a one-liner slop answer is no big deal even if it happened to answer the question. If people don't want their answers deleted they should put some utter minimum of effort into them. Not just "I borked the fork, it works now, kthxbai." — Lundin 9 secs ago
 
10:56 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by blackgreen
@Lundin it’s no big deal if it happens by mistake, but NAA flags on answers that attempt to answer the question, no matter how poorly, will be declined. Subject-matter experts can vote to delete, as needed. — blackgreen ♦ 11 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Lundin
The category is not important - if it ends up in low quality answer review, the job is simply to judge if the answer is low quality or not. Not if the raised flag matches some expected category. — Lundin 56 secs ago
 
11:19 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Walter Monecke
This is so ridiculous. — Walter Monecke 40 secs ago
 
11:49 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Elikill58
For me, all post about generate IA should not be specially tagged as they will also be tagged by the IA they're using or the platform (openia-api, machine-learning etc) — Elikill58 44 secs ago
 
12:01 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by blackgreen
If a post that attempts to answer the question ends up in low-quality answers and you hit "Recommend Deletion" you are up for a review suspension. — blackgreen ♦ 7 secs ago
 
12:19 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Gimby
Chalk one up for the crew that interprets "NAA" as "Not an Attempt to Answer". I'm on that side too, not everyone is. In my eyes this is yet another "Not An Answer" VS "Not An Attempt To Answer" camp fight. — Gimby 1 min ago
 
12:47 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by &#208;аո
The objective is to get rid of the junk, not be sure the junk is marked properly so that right person can get rid of it in the most appropriate fashion. — Ðаո 11 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Lundin
@blackgreen So the solution is not to do any reviews at all in the first place. If not to avoid suspension, then just to stay clear about all crap salvaging discussions. Suppose an answer is blatant plagiarism, wildly off-topic or blatantly incorrect and it pops up in the review queue. Then obviously it should be deleted and if some aspect of the system says otherwise, the system is broken. — Lundin 50 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by &#208;аո
@Lundin yes, "the system" is indeed "broken;" unfortunately, SE doesn't seem very interested in fixing it. — Ðаո 20 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Lundin
It's not like SO can afford to be picky with reviewers either at this point. The few poor souls who can still be arsed to do reviews are severely outnumbered by the massive crap flood constantly hitting the site. — Lundin 46 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Lundin
@Ðаո They can have paid staff do the reviews for all I care. Or watch their product lose value. They have passively watched it lose value for some 5 years now. What kind of people who sits on the board, I have no idea, but they are obviously not interested in getting any money back from their investment, or they wouldn't sit passive and watch as their flag ship product slowly sinks into the crap flood. — Lundin 17 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by &#208;аո
@Lundin it would seem that the board thinks SO is "social media," where eyeballs==goodness. — Ðаո 35 secs ago
 
1:12 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by TylerH
@M-- Yes, but that's a different situation. This is an answer that says "thank you, this -- insert solution not from another answer -- has solved my problem". That's... an answer. Whether it's good or correct is another matter altogether, but the one thing it's absolutely not is "NAA". — TylerH 9 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by M--
But that's not even what the question is asking about. Question asks why, that "answer" explains how. — M-- 18 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by M--
@WalterMonecke what is ridiculous? — M-- 6 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by &#208;аո
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by M--
@Ðаո yeah, so? As I said, the "junk" had a positive score, I couldn't just downvote and vote to delete. So, I flagged as NAA. Your objective is what I do everyday. — M-- just now
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by &#208;аո
@M-- moderators seem to think that the objective is to squint as much as possible to avoid any type of action, e.g., deletion. 🙄 — Ðаո 16 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by TylerH
@M-- Answers that answer another question than what was asked are also not "NAA", unfortunately. I know the description of the flag in the flag modal says that, but it's not how the flag's been interpreted by mods (ever, AFAIK). I wish the modal would be updated or, preferably, mods would handle it the way the description is written. But that might start to get too far into "handling subject matter issues" territory, which mods strongly try to avoid. — TylerH 21 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by EJoshuaS - Stand with Ukraine
The [volume] of bad questions goes to 11. — EJoshuaS - Stand with Ukraine just now
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by M--
We are going too deep into somewhat "philosophical" weeds. I say it's not an answer (as I explained in the question), you are saying it has a solution in it, so it is an answer. I do understand your point of view. Mine is that it is not answer, because it's a thank you comment (not because it is wrong or not answering the question, those are just side arguments). In any case, I don't wanna drag you deeper into weeds, we both have better things to do... Like merging PRs ;) — M-- 52 secs ago
 
2:01 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Gimby
Several reasons, and I'm afraid Ryan M's really sad reason is probably a prime one. But I also think that it is the act of people who treat errors as something scary rather than a friend. They snapshot it with all the colors and squigly lines in-tact. It is the act of not taking responsibility for understanding what part of the error is relevant to their case, they just want to shove it wholesale under your expert nose. — Gimby 23 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by TylerH
We should just burninate the tag. "generative" by itself is not useful, descriptive, monolithic, or on-topic. Perhaps a "generative-AI" tag is useful, but then we should probably re-tag all of the artificial-intelligence questions from before ChatGPT came out as traditional-ai. Now that cleanup has begun, there are certainly less than 50 questions with the tag remaining. — TylerH 44 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by VLAZ
@TylerH So far, I've not even seen anything that uses [generative] for "generative AI". There are some "AI-related" (mostly ML) usages but I've yet to see a question that asks about genAI topic. And it's likely it would need some other tag for it, too. — VLAZ 48 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Gimby
"I think there should be a feature that resets karma after X amount of years". Before something can changed, it first needs to exist though. There is no karma system on Stack Overflow. Karma is a Reddit thing. Treating Stack Overflow (Q&A) like Reddit is a surefire way of getting into trouble to begin with. — Gimby 5 secs ago
 
2:52 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Gimby
Yeah I still don't know what discussions are intended for exactly - why did "the company" add that Reddit feature? The fact that it has actually been fixed that people who can't post questions also can't post discussions does not imply that is a permanent fix. It might just be to ease in this new feature which is going to be the main money maker of the site. At this point I don't think we are qualified to say what does and does not "hurt" the site, only what hurts you personally. — Gimby 14 secs ago
 
3:24 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Mark Amery
@Gimby I'm not sure that distinction matters here? This is neither an answer nor an attempt to answer. It's a post thanking the question asker for some useful information contained in the question, without making any attempt to answer. — Mark Amery 19 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by blackgreen
@Lundin lack of (good) reviewers has never been a reason to relax reviewing criteria. If you feel reviews require to much wheel-spinning, you’re free to not do reviews, or hit skip. Nobody will blame you. If you do reviews, you must do them correctly. — blackgreen ♦ 24 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by &#208;аո
@blackgreen which in turns leads to even more junk accumulating; the review system is beyond broken. — Ðаո 15 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Henry Ecker
There are (currently) 26 deleted articles with the tag. I don't know where the remainder comes from. — Henry Ecker ♦ 59 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Abdul Aziz Barkat
@HenryEcker can moderators see draft articles as well? I believe there's a concept of drafts for articles. — Abdul Aziz Barkat 29 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by &#208;аո
What's the point of deleting comments? They're all archived here. — Ðаո 57 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Abdul Aziz Barkat
@HenryEcker apparently there is a draft and a review state before an article is published according to this help center pageAbdul Aziz Barkat 21 secs ago
 
 
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4:57 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by zcoop98
Re: "they have already decided that the additional workload imposed"; also worth noting that, per earlier guidance, when handling NAA flags "moderators aren't shown the question or comments in context without clicking further", which also makes the as-written interpretation less practical, particularly for SO's scale... which is extremely unfortunate. Poor tooling leads to understandable comprises in imposing rules, which in turn leads to frustrating moments for well-intentioned curators. Yay! — zcoop98 1 min ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Damir Tenishev
@Slate, thank you, I get it. As a second though, is there a chance to have this OverflowAI opensource somehow so that we can use it locally or even try to maintain by crowd some day? It would be a great source to learn in any case. — Damir Tenishev 5 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by user4581301
@M-- that is a troubling thing to read. Is there a SOCVR for bad answers? — user4581301 57 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by zcoop98
@Dan While your point and concern is fair, I think we need specific rules and processes around handling garbage, because that's what helps keep everybody consistent regarding what "garbage" even looks like, which in turn is really important for keeping a consistent quality standard on the site. There's clearly a danger to get too in the weeds here, but I think having consistent rules and content handling, and having conversations about what that specifically looks like, is really important for curators and posters alike, who rely on a shared understanding of those rules and practices. — zcoop98 53 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by user4581301
@Ðаո I think, in this case, the regular user tools are decent, though guidance is lacking. Not and never have been a mod, so can't speak on the mod tools. There is a lot of room for improvement in the review queues, and if the mod tools are anything like the review queues... Zoinks. — user4581301 10 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by user4581301
What really bugs me is the number of people unwilling to burn one <expletive deleted>ing rep to downvote a bad answer. If it motivates the poster to fix the answer or enough of the community agrees and deletes the answer, you're going to get that phenomenally important, life changing 1 point of rep back. — user4581301 20 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by zcoop98
The TL;DR of my last comment is really: "efficiency matters at SO's scale, but we still clearly need policy". Don't throw policy out, or forget why it matters, for efficiency's sake. — zcoop98 57 secs ago
 
5:28 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by David Thielen
@SecurityHound Yes, clearly a lot of people thinking asking how to improve is not appropriate. If those same people downvote regular questions they leave people in a can't win situation as I, and I guess most others, are trying to write appropriate questions. And so I take the summation of all this is, keep doing what I'm doing as there's no effective avenue toward improvement. ps - The link you provided is bad. — David Thielen 10 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by VLAZ
 
5:45 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by M--
@user4581301 yes, SOCVR also handles del-pls requests on answers and questions. — M-- 21 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Henry Ecker
You have to be an Admin or RM to see drafts. I don't believe the diamond counts. Though it's also possible it's on some screen I've never been to in collectives. 138 drafts seems like an awfully high number for drafts. Though that's certainly a personal feeling; I don't really know how much engagement Articles gets as a product. — Henry Ecker ♦ 28 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by August Karlstrom
Short answer: 1. Add the language to highlight.js (github.com/highlightjs/highlight.js) which Stack Overflow uses for syntax highlighting. 2. Raise a feature request on Meta to request that a new version of highlight.js be deployed. — August Karlstrom 19 secs ago
 
6:27 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by &#208;аո
@zcoop98 that might be fine, if the tools were there to match the sentiment; unfortunately, that's not the case and it's unlikely to change anytime soon. — Ðаո 51 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by &#208;аո
@user4581301 the regular tools are satisfactory, but hardly sufficient to manage the incessant flow of gunk. But it would seem that SE wants eyeballs more than anything else. — Ðаո 9 secs ago
 
6:39 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Security Hound
It’s just the Timeline for your question. You asked the reason this question might receive downvotes, one of those reasons, is you suggest a moderator closed your question. However, that has not happened, and you have received feedback to that fact. Yet your question still suggests that’s the case. — Security Hound 30 secs ago
 
6:59 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Fastnlight
Meta Stack Overflow is different from Stack Overflow. This is Meta, where we report issues, make feature requests, and talk about Stack Overflow. Actual programming questions should be asked on the main site. — Fastnlight 40 secs ago
 
7:37 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by user4581301
Then we need more eyeballs eyeing the eyeballs. But that leads to needing more eyeballs eyeing the eyeballs eyeing the eyeballs. Which is recursive. Maybe AI can solve this problem. I'll go ask Chat GPT. — user4581301 59 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by user625488
@Bergi What's wrong with basic questions? Don't such questions have their place in a valuable corpus of knoweldge? OTOH, the question you gave as an example is IMO not basic but quirky. Repeating myself here: C++ is the only language in Tiobe's top 10 that has undefined order of evaluation of function parameters. That will definitely be a quirk to anybody coming to C++ from any other programming language. Also IMO, such questions should definitely have a place on SO - you don't come to SO for things that are explicit and easy to deduce from specs. — user625488 53 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Gert Arnold
Later duplicate: meta.stackoverflow.com/q/412115/861716 (IMO the question above should be closed as duplicate of that one because it has more traffic and a more in-depth explanation). — Gert Arnold 16 secs ago
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[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Lundin
@blackgreen The way to do very low quality reviews correctly is to delete very low quality answers, period. — Lundin just now
 
 
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9:39 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Dan Mašek
@SecurityHound No, that link really is bad, as in it results in a "page not found". Try clicking it. — Dan Mašek 32 secs ago
 
9:53 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Security Hound
Yes; I am aware; it was supposed to be the timeline to your question. If you’re interested in the timeline of your question. Click the relevant button. — Security Hound 5 secs ago
 
10:18 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by CPlus
Does this answer your question? 2024 Community Moderator Election ResultsCPlus 18 secs ago
 
10:32 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by user4581301
Before I get distracted again with my trolling, Thank you for the info, @M-- — user4581301 5 secs ago
 
11:17 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by David Thielen
@SecurityHound I was confusing down votes and close votes - sorry. — David Thielen 7 secs ago
 

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