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12:15 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Braiam
Maybe we should close those questions instead... — Braiam 51 secs ago
 
12:37 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by machine_1
"locked to prevent the meta effect...". Good foreseeing — machine_1 43 secs ago
 
12:59 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Jeffrey Bosboom
It's interesting that the linked regex generator only asks for one example of text that should match and zero examples of text that should not match. Even a human would have trouble writing a regex that solves the asker's actual problem without more information. — Jeffrey Bosboom 39 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by user4581301
Considering the number of times I've linked to [mre] only to have the asker respond by adding the complete program or code butchered to the point that it can't possibly compile in order to make it shorter, I'd say the odds of the link having been read are generally quite low even when you point the asker right at it. — user4581301 28 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by user4581301
But my point is this stuff needs to be called out early and unambiguously to the asker early and often. If they miss the information that'll make them useful members of the community, or at least keep them from getting banned, after you jam it right in their face, there's nothing you can do to help. But right now a lot of that information is buried in a decade-and-a-half of meta where I don't expect anyone to find it before they're told about it. — user4581301 27 secs ago
 
 
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2:14 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Security Hound
@starball - I copied and pasted isLetterOrDigit() and typed \w, I am all out of aspirin tonight, had to empty the bottle due ending up having to do my contractor's job — Security Hound 47 secs ago
 
2:28 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by NickNo
plagiarism in regex? that's a new one. +1 for originality — NickNo 37 secs ago
 
3:14 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Ooker
@KarlKnechtel I mean my code doesn't work. I know changing the question is expected not to invalidate existing answers; what I argue here is that adding my part won't invalidate any existing answers — Ooker 47 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Kevin B
@RyanM I mean, i agree, but the important bit to whether or not I think it should be banned is whether or not it can be trusted... and if it's just dumping LLM output on the page and can't accurately explain what the regex is doing or why it's the solution or even accurately state whether or not it is correct (the site even tells you not to trust the output!) then it shouldn't be allowed. — Kevin B 45 secs ago
 
 
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6:12 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by wohlstad
Why the downvote ? Isn't it a legitimate question ? I searched meta and found no answer. — wohlstad 30 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Abdul Aziz Barkat
Comments are ephemeral and can be deleted at anytime given these comments are considered noise its like they'll get deleted. Plus this has been discussed already on Meta. See this (declined) rule proposal to no longer allow such comments. — Abdul Aziz Barkat 21 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Abdul Aziz Barkat
"20 up-votes and seven answers" are you sure you linked the correct question? Or maybe the review was an audit? — Abdul Aziz Barkat 27 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Abra
@AbdulAzizBarkat my apologies. I have edited the question and corrected the link. — Abra 1 min ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by wohlstad
@AbdulAzizBarkat thanks for the info. From the post you mentioned it seems like this issue is under controversy. Although it is not generally agreed, quite some users believe it is OK to alert new users to the features of acceptance and voting (at least when the comment attempts to educate the user, rather than "beg" or pressure for votes). — wohlstad 15 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Abdul Aziz Barkat
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by wohlstad
Fair enough, I understand. — wohlstad 21 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Abdul Aziz Barkat
The current consensus is that it is okay to inform users about these features, but at the same time such comments would be liable to be deleted. — Abdul Aziz Barkat 1 min ago
 
7:05 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Augusto Vasques
@NickNo. I considered it plagiarism in the sense that the user didn't build the solution and the AI didn't build it either. It was a copy of text generated by something that was copied from existing content on the web that someone had put some effort into creating and the source was't mentioned. — Augusto Vasques 33 secs ago
 
7:39 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by dan1st might be happy again
Note that tooling for "I fixed it" situations is deferred. — dan1st might be happy again 55 secs ago
 
8:01 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
The ADA does not concern itself with accessibility in the sense of being able to write answers. As far as websites go, they have accessibility guidelines for visual impairments. but that's basically it. Mental/intellectual impairments are simply not part of their web guidelines. — Cerbrus 31 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
@SecurityHound "I used Grammarly daily to generate..." "Grammarly corrected content..." So, are you letting grammarly generate or merely correct content? Generating is clearly forbidden. Correction, even though it's got some AI in there, is fine... — Cerbrus 29 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
The funny thing is that a spelling tool like Grammarly can help an ESL person write perfectly fine English, whilst respecting the LLM ban... So no, ESL is certainly not an excuse. — Cerbrus 19 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by dan1st might be happy again
Especially if there are already more questions in the SG that can be reviewed, it may be a good idea for some questions to skip it. — dan1st might be happy again 1 min ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Ocaso Protal
Aside from the discussion about banning, shouldn't the answer be marked as spam? "It's so easy to use. Just enter your criteria and that's it." sounds very spammy to me. — Ocaso Protal 31 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by chivracq
(Still have a Typo...: "questionss" => "ss".) — chivracq 32 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by blackgreen
@OcasoProtal yes, in this particular case, it should. As soon as this discussion is over, that post will be removed as spam. — blackgreen ♦ 35 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Clockwork
@Cerbrus "The ADA does not concern itself with accessibility in the sense of being able to write answers. [...] Mental/intellectual impairments are simply not part of their web guidelines." There's also some physical disabilities, when writing an answer requires assisting tools because you are not physically capable of using a keyboard. Some people may use AI speech-to-text tools when their voice is recognisable, and some may be tempted to use tools to generate a huge part of the text for them (discouraged). And some people just ask for help from their closed ones when they can (I'm a helper). — Clockwork 52 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by wohlstad
@AbdulAzizBarkat I posted your comments as an answer. If you'd like to post it yourself I will delete my answer and accept yours. — wohlstad just now
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
@Clockwork those are "client-side" tools that the website isn't aware of. There are no rules in the ADA that require websites to allow speech-to-text. Also, text generated from speech-to-text isn't "AI" in the sense we're discussing here. Input and output are very closely linked. — Cerbrus 35 secs ago
 
8:52 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by starball
if no reviewer gives a review that action by the asker is necessary within a given period, the item is auto-published. if such a review is left and no asker action happens in a given period, the item goes stale or something. it's described in more detail in meta.stackoverflow.com/q/423469/11107541 I think — starball 22 secs ago
 
9:23 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by MisterMiyagi
I'm decently sure pastebin is allowed, just as linking to GitHub, or documentation, or the personal homepage of Santa Claus. It's just that this is extra information - the question is the question, and it has to work without people being able or willing to dig up that extra information. — MisterMiyagi 55 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
If LLM answers were of a quality indistinguishable from human answers, they'd be fine. But they're not, and that is why they're not allowed. Quality has everything to do with this. — Cerbrus 48 secs ago
 
9:36 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Mark Rotteveel
I'd say the second bullet point under "Help others reproduce the problem" on How do I ask a good question? covers it pretty well: "If it is possible to create a live example of the problem that you can link to (for example, on sqlfiddle.com or jsbin.com) then do so—but also copy the code into the question itself. Not everyone can access external sites, and the links may break over time. Use Stack Snippets to make a live demo of inline JavaScript/HTML/CSS."Mark Rotteveel 50 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by wizzwizz4
@KevinB To play marketer's advocate: just because the technology was known to some humans doesn't mean Stack Exchange was capable of deploying it two years ago. — wizzwizz4 12 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Mark Rotteveel
@AugustoVasques UnderJava, Kotlin uses Java's regex engine, which \w will support Unicode range if you enable the UNICODE_CHARACTER_CLASS flag (or (?U)), and under JavaScript, Kotlin regexes are Unicode aware by default, see kotlinlang.org/api/latest/jvm/stdlib/kotlin.text/-regex. — Mark Rotteveel 22 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Mark Rotteveel
Under Java, Kotlin uses Java's regex engine, where \w will support Unicode range if you enable the UNICODE_CHARACTER_CLASS flag (or (?U)), and under JavaScript, Kotlin regexes are Unicode aware by default, see kotlinlang.org/api/latest/jvm/stdlib/kotlin.text/-regex. — Mark Rotteveel 53 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Mark Rotteveel
@KevinB Whether it is an LLM is not really relevant, it is generative AI, and thus banned ("e.g." means "for example", so the current phrasing of the ban doesn't imply that only use of LLMs are banned) — Mark Rotteveel 9 secs ago
 
 
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11:33 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Clockwork
Wait, pastebin is a website? Isn't it just a native feature of the operating system? — Clockwork 12 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Security Hound
@Cerbrus - I obviously mean, I write the content, and then correct any mistakes with Grammarly. My point is nothing Granmarly has ever “generated” as ever been misinterpreted as being generated by a LLM. — Security Hound 8 secs ago
 
12:01 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
@SecurityHound because Grammarly is not generating. It's applying grammar and spelling rules to what's written and suggests changes. These changes are so minor that they don't really change the input in any significant manner. A LLM generator will generate walls of text from very little input. Grammarly will never output significantly more than the input. Its in-and output are very closely related, contrary to banned LLM output. — Cerbrus 15 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
So, yea, Grammarly uses some AI to help out, but it really can not be compared with LLMs generating text. They're different tools with completely different operating parameters. — Cerbrus 19 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Security Hound
I clearly used the wrong word. My point proper tools to correct grammar will not be mistaken for LLM responses. — Security Hound 36 secs ago
 
1:08 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
Naturally, because they don't generate new content :D — Cerbrus 22 secs ago
 
 
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2:12 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Yaakov Ellis
The plan had been that first questions would only get items that auto-graduated from SG without getting an SG review (and items that are SG-approved skip the FQ queue). — Yaakov Ellis 44 secs ago
 
2:36 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by PM 2Ring
 
2:59 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by EJoshuaS - Stand with Ukraine
@Cerbrus If LLMs could reliably produce the exact same content as human answerers in every single case, we wouldn't need Stack Overflow at all - you could just consult ChatGPT yourself in every case and get the answers much faster. However, given that LLMs are just synthesizing existing human content, their capacity to generate novel content and new information will necessarily lag behind humans - if no human has written something related to that, they would have no way to know about it. I think that there will always be advantages to human answers, so I agree with the basic point here. — EJoshuaS - Stand with Ukraine 27 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Kuo
Already wasted 2 hours trying to ask a question on stackoverflow and ai.stackexchange. No submit button but review your question. This is a serious problem. — Kuo just now
 
3:22 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Augusto Vasques
@MarkRotteveel. Thanks for the clarification. I'll add the information to the answer as soon. — Augusto Vasques 45 secs ago
 
3:39 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
Well, sure, that as well, but the flood of low quality content is what initially triggered this ban. — Cerbrus 40 secs ago
 
4:03 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Charles Duffy
Separate from compliance with policies that questions need to be self-contained -- pastebin.com in particular has a history for not vetting its advertisers carefully. They may well be better about this today than they were 15 years ago, but unless an ownership change came along with them cleaning up their act, I wouldn't be surprised for ads to be malware-carrying if someone offers them enough $$ in the future. — Charles Duffy 8 secs ago
 
 
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5:38 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Zoe is on strike
Same with pending merge, though that might be mod-only — Zoe is on strike ♦ 35 secs ago
 
 
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8:59 PM
PSA: Boson is temporarily down due to technical issues. I'm not sure if I can get it back online until I have hardware access again, which might take a few days
 

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