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1:10 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Security Hound
The only collective articles I personally have seen have been plagiarized. I don't have high hopes for any content submitted to a collective. — Security Hound 47 secs ago
 
1:41 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
@Security Hound: And now they erected pay walls around old answers, hyphen site style (sort of). — Peter Mortensen 53 secs ago
 
2:00 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by 41686d6564 stands w. Palestine
Also reported here when dark mode was first released. — 41686d6564 stands w. Palestine 1 min ago
 
2:43 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
@Alexei Levenkov: Re "code only answers are very likely to be correct": We need more data. I suspect many late code-only answers are plagiarised and/or completely bogus, but it could be completely wrong. — Peter Mortensen just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
@Alexei Levenkov: Re "code only answers are very likely to be correct": We need more data. I suspect many late (years later) code-only answers are plagiarised (they don't any idea if it is correct or not; it might simply be search results blindly copied into the answer box) and/or completely bogus, but I might be completely wrong. Spot checking suggests they are, but it may be biased in various ways. — Peter Mortensen 38 secs ago
 
3:08 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
It is better to keep to form and ask an actual question. This is a Q&A site, not a (recorded) conversation site (forum). Readers may have to scan the "question" many times to try to extract the question (any of the statements could be the question in disguise). — Peter Mortensen 51 secs ago
 
3:25 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
OK, that wasn't the case in the past. Why the sudden shift in writing style? Is it a purchased account? — Peter Mortensen 1 min ago
 
3:41 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
Cross site: "That's not what Stack Exchange is for! Explanation is vital for a good answer."Peter Mortensen 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
@Alexei Levenkov: Re "code only answers are very likely to be correct": We need more data. I suspect many late (years later) code-only answers are plagiarised (they don't have any idea if it is correct or not; it might simply be search results blindly copied into the answer box) and/or completely bogus, but I might be completely wrong. Spot checking suggests they are, but it may be biased in various ways. — Peter Mortensen 41 secs ago
 
 
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5:01 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
No, clearly the designers prefer the grey to be nearly indistinguishable from the normal white background. — Cody Gray ♦ 1 min ago
 
5:15 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
I don't know if it related (probably not), but I just stumbled upon this: "Google has begun to block some instances, including some of the IP addresses used by searx.me ... resulting in a "google (unexpected crash: CAPTCHA required)" error."Peter Mortensen 1 min ago
 
 
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6:36 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by gnat
 
 
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7:56 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by MisterMiyagi
"does not accurately solve" That is, like, exactly the problem. None of the other things are SO's goal. I sense that SO is facing the same pessimism that all specialised tools face, and unjustly so. It is an incredible tool that we should all be excited about and I humbly advise my colleagues here to learn to work with SO. — MisterMiyagi 44 secs ago
 
8:28 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user253751
@SilvioMayolo FYI, there is no such thing as a meritocracy - unless you redefine "merit". Stack Overflow reputation is based on time active, and amount of gaming the system. — user253751 59 secs ago
 
 
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9:33 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Larnu
I, honestly, have no idea what you are trying to state here. — Larnu 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
Are you asking where to send the $8? This isn't Twitter. — Cody Gray ♦ 16 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
I do not reproduce on Chrome. — Cody Gray ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Mark Rotteveel
@CodyGray I just tried in Chrome and it indeed renders it correctly. — Mark Rotteveel 45 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
Check with the debugging tools and see what font Firefox is deciding to render that code as on the review page. That might give a clue. — Cody Gray ♦ 28 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ivar
I can also not reproduce this on Firefox 109.0.1 (64-bit) on Windows 11. — Ivar 14 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Mark Rotteveel
Font used is CascadiaMonoRoman, while in normal question view it uses Cascadia Mono Regular. In the Firefox private session it also uses Cascadia Mono Regular — Mark Rotteveel 10 secs ago
 
10:05 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Mark Rotteveel
Hmm, the issue persisted after throwing away "Cached Web Content" and reloading the page, but after also throwing away "Cookies and Site Data" and restarting Firefox, it is now rendering correctly, and is using Cascadia Mono Regular for the review page. — Mark Rotteveel 1 min ago
 
10:56 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lino
Do you mean verify email? — Lino 15 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Gimby
Essentially what you did was go to a Chinese restaurant and demand pizza. And then when they tell you that you should go to another place to get pizza, you get upset and demand people explain to you why in a Chinese restaurant it is difficult to get pizza. — Gimby 30 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Gimby
If it is repeatedly posted, shouldn't the links be edited into the tag description I wonder. We should be lenient with such comments because there is no other effective way to communicate such information to people, but if it becomes someone's job to continuously do it then it is not sustainable. — Gimby 58 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Flavius Stands with Russia
nailed three technical projects projects chat GPT and am pretty sure if I posted here the question would go unanswered — Flavius Stands with Russia 46 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by VLAZ
@Gimby if instructions in wikis worked, tags that say "DO NOT USE" wouldn't be used. And yes, some tag wikis also include coordinates for where to ask support-type questions. Those are also not always respected. — VLAZ 51 secs ago
 
12:03 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Connell
@V2Blast Ah. Yup, looks like I've introduced a new bug with this fix. I've got a fix for that one in progress now — Connell ♦ 41 secs ago
 
12:21 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
I'll leave it to you to update the status tag on this question to [status-completed] once you've got that final bug ironed out. :-) Thanks for working on it, and staying with it until the problem is fully resolved! — Cody Gray ♦ 9 secs ago
 
12:48 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Larnu
I assume you are referencing this question. There was, in truth, no "nastiness" there. The post wasn't appropriate for Stack Overflow or here on Meta; the comments on the post both pointed out why your question wasn't on-topic, what you might want to consider doing instead, and why the answer you suggested may not be appropriate for the site. The bigger problem, however, was your undisclosed affiliation with Epistimis (which you still don't disclose), and that as a result that post very much came across as spam once your affliation was discovered. — Larnu 19 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Larnu
"saw a cascade of nastiness between 3 different moderators accusing me, first, of being a bot, and then several other things before deleting the post." I don't see anyone in that question accusing you of being a bot either. Only 1 moderator was involved as well, whom deleted the post as part of a spam flag; though 2 normal users (often referred to as curators) also voted to delete the post prior to the moderator handling it. — Larnu 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Hovercraft Full Of Eels
To be blunt, it is a poor craftsman who blames the tool rather than their lack of knowledge in how to use the tool. You would be much better off learning how to use Stack Overflow, if this is a tool that you want to use, rather than ranting against it. — Hovercraft Full Of Eels 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Larnu
"I am trying to set up support for Epistimis using StackOverflow." This doesn't sound like Stack Overflow is the right place. Stack Overflow is not support forum/board/site, it is a Q&A site. Support tickets often involve a lot of back and forth between a user and the support provider, which simply does not fit into the style of the site, which involves having a question which can receive 0 or more answers; there's no SLAs or guarentee of reply here. If a question is unclear, it's closed until it's made clear, which is not how a support ticket normally works. — Larnu 51 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Corentin Schreiber
@Larnu I still have access to the old address. I am reluctant to remove it until I am confident that I can log back in with the new one! — Corentin Schreiber 5 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by VLAZ
@Larnu small clarification in case somebody gets the wrong idea: "Only 1 moderator was involved as well, whom deleted the post as part of a spam flag;" the post was not deleted as spam. It was deleted via regular delete votes and a moderator was involved but that did not change anything. The difference is that deletion as spam imposes additional penalties by the system, whereas a normal deletion only hides a post. The moderator cast the third delete vote, which means it had the exact same weight and results as a delete vote by a regular user. — VLAZ 21 secs ago
 
1:20 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
The problem is, @Gimby, in this particular Chinese restaurant, we have more patrons who order pizza than we do ordering Chinese food. This is causing great consternation for the servers. — Cody Gray ♦ 48 secs ago
 
1:43 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by MisterMiyagi
So... why exactly do you think SO is an appropriate place for support of your product? It looks like you haven't even taken the tour of what SO is about. What is the expectation you are having towards SO here? — MisterMiyagi 1 min ago
 
2:18 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Gimby
Yeah but as the halfway measure you could then simply link to the tag wiki from the comment rather than having to duplicate the comment. Heck if we did that more, maybe they would become less invisible over time. Over a long, looong time. — Gimby 40 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by F1Krazy
Just to clarify: we don't create tags for subjects unless there are already questions about that subject. If and when someone asks a question here about Epistimis, then someone will create a tag for it. In the meantime, you don't need to create the tag yourself. — F1Krazy 1 min ago
 
2:38 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dharman
Stack Overflow doesn't have a built-in spell-checker — Dharman ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
And we're reminded of it nearly every time we read something that users have typed in. — Cody Gray ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by kaya3
@Dharman I know; browsers do, and it's controlled by the spellcheck attribute on the HTML element, as I mentioned. I'm saying Stack Overflow's user interface would be better if this attribute were present. Do you have an argument for why it would not be better? — kaya3 41 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dharman
ys i hve thge argumnt. — Dharman ♦ 32 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Gimby
... well because then there would be no red squiggly lines pointing out spelling mistakes I'm making :/ — Gimby 25 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
Test input: defenatly, defenetly, defenitely, defenitly, defently, Defently, deffinatly, Deffinatly, deffinetely, deffinetly, deffinitly, deffo, defiantly, defiently, definately, definatily, definatly, Definatly, definently, definetely, definetily, definetley, definetly, definiately, definietly, defininetly, definiteley, definitelly, definitelt, Definitely, definitetly, definitley, definitly, Definitly, definively, defintely, defintitely, defo, Defo, denitely, and diffenately. — Peter Mortensen 27 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by kaya3
A spellchecker is not useful if it has such a high false positive rate. I see very few spelling mistakes in Stack Overflow comments in my usual experience, but lots and lots of code and technical terms that aren't in dictionaries. Perhaps your experience is different, or perhaps you claim that the spellchecker is the reason that all of those comments I see don't have spelling problems (though as I mentioned, the red squiggles are only newly visible to me, using a very popular browser). But the false positive rate must be well above 90%, which I would say makes it worse than useless. — kaya3 40 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
In Firefox's spellchecker, you can place the cursor in the word, right click and select "Add to dictionary" to drastically bring down the false positive rate. — Peter Mortensen 24 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by van dench
"I see very few spelling mistakes in Stack Overflow comments" Is that because humans are perfect at spelling in one of the most complicated languages on earth, or because their computer told them their spelling was wrong and helped them fix it? Either way, it's not an autowrecker, you don't have to fix the spelling, it just let's you know you may want to. — van dench 17 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by kaya3
@PeterMortensen Thanks, but I don't really want to add the words "mut", "Vec", "usize" and "PeterMortensen" to my browser's spellchecking dictionary, and the argument I'm making is that this is a bad user interface decision (if it is indeed intentional, rather than just something that happened due to browsers changing) so telling me that I can fix it just for myself is not really an answer. If Stack Overflow's official position is that red squiggles under words like "userscript" are actually good, then I will probably look to fix this with a userscript. — kaya3 55 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by kaya3
@vandench It lets me know that I may want to, and it is wrong 90%+ of the time, probably more like 99%+. Something that is wrong that often is not helpful. — kaya3 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Security Hound
I spellcheck words on Stack Overflow and other communities daily when I submit commentary and even my answers. I go as far as using Grammarly to verify all my comments and answers are grammatically correct. I used the built-in spellcheck three times while submitting this comment. Preventing users from being able to spellcheck seems like a horrible idea. — Security Hound 1 min ago
 
3:16 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Martin James
...and they demand toppings that are not on the menu. — Martin James 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by JNat
Marking as [status-completed] because I can't repro this any more. If someone can still repro it, please let me know. — JNat ♦ 19 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
Something is acting up today (presumably related to JavaScript): Voting on MSE doesn't (apparently) do anything and the normal keyboard shortcuts (say, Ctrl + K) on unix.stackexchange.com are disabled. — Peter Mortensen 43 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Catija
Stack Overflow Jobs has been sunset, so I'm removing the status-review tag from this question. — Catija ♦ 5 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
Something is acting up today (presumably related to JavaScript): Voting on MSE doesn't (apparently) do anything and the normal keyboard shortcuts (say, Ctrl + K) on unix.stackexchange.com are disabled. And the top bar is offset on MSE. — Peter Mortensen 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
seems to work fine for me — Kevin B 1 min ago
 
3:51 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
@Kevin B: Yes, a local problem. Sorry. NoScript changed the setting for stackexchange.com. That is why it worked Stack Overflow (domain stackoverflow.com) — Peter Mortensen 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Security Hound
If spellcheck was disabled, I suspect John Skeet, would submit answers like this. — Security Hound 31 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by JonH
@Catija - someone finally looks at this after JOBS is gone, you cannot make this stuff up. — JonH 1 min ago
 
4:16 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Karl Knechtel
Nice to see that it apparently only takes six and a half years to get a simple CSS change implemented and signed off on, as long as there's a clear accessibility issue. Perhaps cosmetic changes that everyone agrees about could get done within a century. — Karl Knechtel 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Karl Knechtel
@Larnu in my experience, users with thousands of reputation points and a decade+ of posting history are frequently at least as protective of their precious question and title text, if not more. — Karl Knechtel 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Karl Knechtel
@JohnBollinger "but the OP probably would not have asked the question in the form they did if they recognized that." - yes, but questions don't exist to help OP; they exist to become part of a Q&A library. Titles should look the way that will be useful for attracting the attention of others who have the same problem (and duplicate closers who recognize that someone's problem is common). — Karl Knechtel 30 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Karl Knechtel
Looking at your account, I see three questions all in 2020, with a net score of -3. I'm going to make a wild guess that since then, you have asked other questions that were poorly received, deleted them, and ended up with a question ban, which is why you are now trying to ask your inappropriate-for-Stack-Overflow questions on Meta (where they are even more inappropriate). To be honest, it's a little amazing to see someone whose account is over 8 years old acting this way. Did nobody, at any point in your use of Stack Overflow, point you at tour or How to Ask? Did you read them? — Karl Knechtel 52 secs ago
 
4:56 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Daniel
The point is that once an answer is generated from ChatGPT, its still on you to conform it to your project. The same is true of SO, however ChatGPT will get you to the final solution much faster and with far less effort. — Daniel 52 secs ago
 
5:11 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by John Bollinger
That's a bit strong, @KarlKnechtel. Questions do exist to help the OP. That's part of the quid pro quo, and so is the amount of control of their own questions that we afford to authors. Questions also exist to help others and to become part of a QA library, which is on the other side. But in any case, my comment is primarily about the OP's perception of the edit, not about what the most appropriate title for the question would be. — John Bollinger 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
Seems like this is not [status-completed], then, but rather [status-declined]. Or perhaps, if intending to discount the feature request aspect of it entirely and treat it merely as a support question, just remove the [feature-request] tag (and thus obviate the need for any [status-*] tag). — Cody Gray ♦ 1 min ago
 
5:26 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Deanna Irizarry-Fields
@CodyGray tags were adjusted. Thanks for catching that. — Deanna Irizarry-Fields ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
What value would it have for us, a site who prides ourselves on providing high-quality expert content (whether or not we achieve this mission in practice is irrelevant), to provide effectively well-written gibberish generated by a bot designed for chatting? — Cody Gray ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by van dench
If you want an AI answer, then why wouldn't you just ask an AI directly? — van dench 30 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Mr. Boy
@CodyGray If you are taking as axiomatic that it's all it will ever be, this seems remarkably short-sighted. If not, then you imply it will one day become useful? — Mr. Boy 12 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by VLAZ
Should SO provide radio? Should it provide laundry services? Is it short-sighted that it doesn't and sticks to just providing a programming knowledge-base? — VLAZ 47 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Mr. Boy
@vandench if I want an answer from Jon Skeet, why wouldn't I ask him directly... — Mr. Boy 15 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
What do you mean by "it"? Yes, I'm taking it as axiomatic that this is all that Stack Overflow's mission is and will be. Will the site eventually become obsolete if/when nobody wants high-quality expert content anymore? Possibly. But that isn't short-sighted, that's just how the world works. Stables that provided high-quality, well-trained horses were gradually obsoleted by the automobile. Should they have started trying to train automobiles alongside their horses in the early days? Or did you mean that AI is going to get better, so that it will produce high-quality expert content? Hah! — Cody Gray ♦ 7 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by van dench
You're making the mistake of conflating AI's for human SME's. If you want an SME you wouldn't ask an AI, and if you want an AI you wouldn't use a platform for human SME's. — van dench 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
Stack Overflow doesn't allow you to ask Jon Skeet (or any other user) directly because that'd subvert our mission of creating a knowledge base. Besides, Jon hasn't indicated that he's open to people asking him questions directly. What does that have to do with anything? I know people joke about it, but Jon's not actually an AI. But the point isn't really about who/what you could ask, or how you would ask it. The point is that two different services, with two completely different missions and raisons d'être should not be conflated or combined into one. — Cody Gray ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Berthold
I think it's likely that the role would be granted based on reputation or elections, but we wanted to have existing subject matter experts (going by rep and activity level) in the tags to discuss what would work best and see if there are other ideas to consider. The purpose of the role is indeed to drive engagement with a focus on content quality, and to provide an opportunity to do more for those who are looking for such an opportunity. We're interested to see how it works in practice with the non-provider collectives. — Berthold ♦ 29 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by kaya3
"Wrong" means it underlines something that is not spelled incorrectly. Code is written very frequently in comments, and I think it's totally plausible that on Stack Overflow, words like "mut" and "usize" (which are wrongly underlined) are 9+ times as common as actual spelling mistakes (which would be correctly underlined). I would be very surprised if that were not the case. Clearly, judging from the votes, other people find these squiggly lines helpful or at least not annoying, which is astonishing to me - does everyone else on SO really make spelling errors more often than they write code? — kaya3 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jon Skeet
@Mr.Boy: You wouldn't ask me directly (e.g. by email) because I'm a human, and I don't scale to responding to thousands of direct enquiries every day. (As well as it not building up a corpus of knowledge, as Cody mentions.) Any sensible AI system would scale though, and support direct enquiries. In other words, you're comparing apples and oranges. — Jon Skeet 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Mr. Boy
@CodyGray surely SO's mission is to be a repository of high-quality answers. If AIs hypothetically reach the point of being able to generate those, why would you not want them here? Should we discriminate purely because it's an AI? It seems very likely that a subset of questions here could be answered by AIs in near-future time-scales (for example those which have answers found in manuals/documentation) — Mr. Boy 9 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Mr. Boy
Mention @JonSkeet (without tagging) and within moments he replies... are you sure you're not a bot? Your reply made my day! — Mr. Boy 18 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Berthold
@CorneliusRoemer The page is more like specific search queries than review queues. But it's a similar approach. Rather than cannibalize, one thing we'd like to explore is if the Actions For You page (or a similar "dashboard" style approach) might be able to drive more people to review queues with a focus on their areas/tags of expertise. — Berthold ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by kaya3
I believe Jon Skeet has been writing answers on Stack Overflow since before spellcheckers were built into major browsers, and I also believe that Stack Overflow more broadly was not full of answers written like this one before that time. Personally I cannot define a tool as "useful" if almost every time it asks for my attention it is wrong. But judging by the number of downvotes, it seems everyone else is either really this bad at spelling, or really not annoyed by the bright red squiggly lines under all code and URLs. (And the word "downvotes" gets the red squiggle, funnily enough.) — kaya3 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lino
@kaya3 Just speaking for me here, but I started to ignore the red squiggly lines, because my browser is not in english, but I'm writing this comment in english, meaning essentially everything is underlined red. I suspect many people are not native english speakers / don't have their browser set to english, so they just ignore them. — Lino 32 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by kaya3
@Lino That is my idea of hell. I salute you and anyone else who puts up with this in order to participate here. — kaya3 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by miken32
I voted to close because the question is asking for simple instructions on how to use a program that (IMO) is more of a systems administration tool than a programming one. — miken32 45 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by miken32
And is there value to reopening it? Are you expecting more answers? Closure is not deletion, the question will still exist to help others and give you your rep. — miken32 14 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dharman
Is it really only used by programmers? I would think this is a popular UNIX tool used by non-programmers — Dharman ♦ 10 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lino
@kaya3 At least for me it is a form of practicing selective ignorance. Which I've adapted over the years. For you, a userscript might help, as I'm certain Stack Overflow won't fix this. — Lino 10 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lino
If the question is rightfuly closed, then we may need to think about whether the [aws-cli] tag is on topic. — Lino 34 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by VLAZ
"Should we discriminate purely because it's an AI?" no. But purely because they aren't useful - yes. I do assume here you're talking about a ChatGPT-like implementation. Which, by its very nature, is almost guaranteed to not provide useful answers for SO. If you mean that a general AI as we have seen in science fiction and currently not yet even on the foreseeable horizon - then I suppose we should allow it to interact with SO. However, I'd suggest it requires a rather drastic and as of yet impossible advancement. I suggest you raise the topic again when a general AI is actually possible — VLAZ 38 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Security Hound
@kaya3 - Why are you submitting code as a comment? A comment should contain feedback about the question or answer, if you are submitting a lot of code as commentary, it's very likely that code should be an answer instead. — Security Hound 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Security Hound
The question was protected then a close vote was initiated. How many deleted answers does the question have? If I am protecting a question, there likely is a reason, many times it's received numerous answers that should never have been submitted. What I see is numerous answers suggesting the exact same solution. I suspect the close vote is due to the fact, "Questions about general S3 support, functionality, configuration, etc. are OFF-TOPIC", would easily be a valid description of the linked question. — Security Hound 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by CertainPerformance
@SecurityHound 3. One question-as-answer, one answer-comment-as-answer, one self-deleted answer attempt - which is probably about par for the course for a popular question — CertainPerformance just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Security Hound
My opinion of systems like ChatGPT are extremely poor, answers generated by ChatGPT or any similar tool should remain banned, until said systems can be proven to be accurate more than 0% of the time. I have personally reported over 2 dozen answers generated by ChatGPT, every single one of those answers, were incorrect due to the way ChatGPT focused on a single phrase in the question. In my opinion we are likely at least a decade away before a system like ChatGPT can understand context. — Security Hound 36 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by kaya3
@SecurityHound ... because feedback on questions and answers with code often involves code? Things like variable names, type names, function/method names. Also technical jargon (like "userscript"), URLs, user names... I've been seeing these red squiggles all day and they haven't helped me once. — kaya3 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Security Hound
@CertainPerformance - 125K views is a popular question after 8 years? That's less than 1,302 views a month. To be frank outside of the answer from 2016, the rest of the answers are just duplicates of the original answer, the question overall is pretty low quality in my opinion. In fact it seems the user guide, if referenced before the question was asked, likely would have resulted in the question not being asked. — Security Hound 57 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Security Hound
@MartinJames - The fact I cannot get shredded Unicorn on my Pizza is not acceptable.....Where is my Unicorn! — Security Hound 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lino
@SecurityHound It sadly went missing almost 4 years ago. — Lino 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Larnu
That an answer for the problem exists in the documentation, however, isn't a reason for closure, not for it to not exist, @SecurityHound ; [do] aims to be a complete repository of questions and that will include "simple" documented problems too. Of course, if it is clearly documented could be seen as a reason to downvote the question, due to an (apparent) lack of research. — Larnu 9 secs ago
 
7:03 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Anon Coward
While the official docs do answer this, for better or worse, this question is the top hit for a query of aws cli cp wildcard. While this is absolutely something non-developers would want to know, it also feels to me like the start of many an ad-hoc script or program creation, so it seems reasonable. — Anon Coward 50 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by metersk
Thanks for the responses. FWIW, I wasn't concerned about rep or anything, just curious. Also, FWIW in response to the top comment, I am a software engineer and I barely do any sys admin stuff, but use the AWS CLI extensively, daily. — metersk 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by skomisa
Some of the comments here: "the minds of low reputation users", "their precious question". Just gratuitous sneering and condescension. — skomisa 11 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
but, accurate, ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ — Kevin B 12 secs ago
 
7:33 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
I mean... I'm a web developer, and when working on AWS related projects I do routinely use the AWS CLI, but I'd never call that programming or consider it a programming related task. — Kevin B 13 secs ago
 
8:03 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by metersk
Where would you say Docker CLI related questions would belong? Similarly to aws-cli stack overflow is the first place I'd think to look. — metersk 38 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
twitter maybe? I'm not really concerned where users ask questions unrelated to SO's purpose. — Kevin B 16 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by LuckyLuke Skywalker
This just makes the site overflow with superfluous answers. Some answers are simply outdated. Anyways.. I'm glad there are still enough people on stackoverflow trying to make the site the most helpful possible and that these rejects are only about 10% from my experience. — LuckyLuke Skywalker 31 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
To be absolutely clear, the opinion i'm expressing here related to CLI's being on topic is mine, and most certainly doesn't represent any form of majority. The on-topic-ness of CLI questions would deserve it's own meta question — Kevin B 51 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Hovercraft Full Of Eels
I look at ChatGPT as a content distiller not a content creator (unlike SO), and in fact much of its programming "knowledge" has been distilled from content created by us! — Hovercraft Full Of Eels 16 secs ago
 
8:46 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Travis J
Please post a separate question instead of editing in updates to your existing questions. — Travis J 6 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Błażej Michalik
@KarlKnechtel WRT canonicals, do you consider the particular angle the question was aimed at when closing content in favor of a canonical? It seems to me like this way we are going into a direction of SO being an API reference instead of a Q&A. — Błażej Michalik 20 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
This particular throttle is based almost entirely on your existing questions (regardless of whether or not they are deleted), anything related to the sock puppet situation wouldn't be relevant here, unless it involved asking questions. — Kevin B 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Omega_Pixel
No. The sock puppet problem wasn't using my account for asking questions. — Omega_Pixel 24 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Stuck at 1337
Only ONE question has a downvote. What about your deleted questions? Those count too. — Stuck at 1337 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Omega_Pixel
@Stuckat1337 you have a point. Except all of those were downvoted and deleted almost a year ago. I've already had question-asking privileges "taken" away once, after I was new and asked a bunch of junk questions. — Omega_Pixel 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Stuck at 1337
They still count. — Stuck at 1337 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Omega_Pixel
Even if I've already been revoked the right to ask questions? Shouldn't that get reset upon resolution? — Omega_Pixel 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
it works more or less like a running average-based throttle. The worse your asking history, the less questions you can ask per month/year. The average must be improved to increase the allowed rate. — Kevin B 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Omega_Pixel
Hm. That seems weird I guess... I dunno. Of anything, it is unfortunate, for the newbies (like I was) to have fairly severe reprimand for getting the hang of writing good questions, but that's not the point. I get the running average thing, but it is a thing that should be reset after the user goes through the painstaking process to get their privileges back... — Omega_Pixel 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Clonkex
FWIW, I feel the higher-voted answer is just plain better. It answers the question 99% of people are going to have in a more concise and to-the-point manner (literally the first sentence would solve the problem for most people). I greatly prefer it over the too-broad, catch-all answer of the dupe target and disagree muchly with the chosen dupe direction. — Clonkex 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Omega_Pixel
It should also be more clear about that problem. Instead of just saying, "Oh, you can't ask questions any more. Here are some ways that you (might) get to do that again." Well, what if you don't have time to wait for that to happen? What if the questions you're editing are so "old" that nobody's going to search for them, and, since you're trying to edit it, it is clear that nobody liked it or thought it was any good.... and nobody's going to upvote an old question that has had a negative reputation in the past? — Omega_Pixel 38 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by metersk
Got it, thanks. I thought you were expressing a majority opinion, which is why I ducked out. — metersk 19 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ --- the system is doing exactly what it was designed to do. Your past asking history has shown that you don't yet know how to ask questions that are useful, so it's not going to let you ask more than once every 6 months until you've proven otherwise — Kevin B 27 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Stuck at 1337
what if you don't have time to wait for that to happen? So your urgency should make you a special case? There is no triage here, everyone is subject to the same rules. — Stuck at 1337 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Omega_Pixel
No, not trying to make myself a special case. I'm trying to say that I'm about to make another account because I would like to get something answered. I'm trying to say that I'm respecting Stack Overflow by not doing that, and trying to find a solution otherwise. — Omega_Pixel 10 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Stuck at 1337
Be prepared to accept the consequences of cheating one rule to avoid conforming to another. — Stuck at 1337 58 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Omega_Pixel
Cheating what rule? — Omega_Pixel 43 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Stuck at 1337
That you don't make a second account to do something you couldn't do with just one (such as asking a question while under a question ban) - this is against the rules. See the answer here. — Stuck at 1337 56 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Omega_Pixel
I'm aware of that. However, how does Stack Overflow have any use if you can't ask questions? I know that clearly, I have asked "bad" questions. I know that it isn't ok to make a duplicate account to ask questions. I'm trying to be law-abiding here, ok? — Omega_Pixel 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
If you hover over it, it generally will tell you want it is — Kevin B 34 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Stuck at 1337
There are instructions here to help you get out of the ban (and also some information about why creating a second account is a bad idea): meta.stackexchange.com/a/86998/1274780Stuck at 1337 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
it... does have a use, to those who either don't need to ask a question because it's already answered, or who aren't currently throttled by the question ban — Kevin B 30 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Stuck at 1337
Stack Overflow is plenty useful for the folks who ask good questions, follow the rules, and repair the damage when they cross the line. It's also a fantastic resource for people who simply lurk and don't ask questions on their own. I'm not sure what else you're expecting from this question. — Stuck at 1337 31 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Stuck at 1337
@Kevin Except on mobile. :-) — Stuck at 1337 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Henry Ecker
You have 5 deleted questions contributing to the question ban: A1, A2, A3, A4, A5Henry Ecker ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
eh, mobile doesn't matter — Kevin B 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Henry Ecker
For the record @KevinB "anything related to the sock puppet situation wouldn't be relevant here, unless it involved asking questions" is not correct. In cases where the sockpuppet upvotes questions, the score increase affects whether or not the system considers a question "well received." A vote invalidation could certainly impact ability to post new questions. — Henry Ecker ♦ 53 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Omega_Pixel
Well, given I'm at a point where I can't repair my "crossing-line damage" at this point, since I've done what I've read, I'm not sure why you're saying that, given what my question says: by editing them and by addressing nonexistent feedback. I would rather not have to peacefully argue about whether I want to obey the rules. — Omega_Pixel 48 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Omega_Pixel
@HenryEcker, I believe you may be on to something. I "received" 80 reputation, and then lost 80 reputation when Moderators deleted the sock puppeteer. — Omega_Pixel 48 secs ago
 
9:43 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
I mean, if anything, that would have just prevented you from being throttled sooner. If those hadn't happened you may have not been able to ask some of your more recent questions, and thus not be in as deep of a hole, but it wouldn't have made the questions counting against you count any less now, etc — Kevin B 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by dcromley
You guys are going to hear from my lawyer. — dcromley 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Larnu
The fact your reference Biblical Hermeneutics makes me think you should have posted this on Biblical Hermeneutics Meta too; different sites have different metas. — Larnu 29 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
@Lino: That can be avoided by installing extra dictionaries (at least in Firefox). And the active set can changed on the fly, by right-click (or the context menu key). Using American English and British English at the same time will bring down the number of squiggles. — Peter Mortensen 28 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
Re "less pedantic about UK/US spelling differences": If both dictionaries are in the active set, it will not be (Firefox. I think using more than dictionary is a newer feature; I am not sure). — Peter Mortensen 10 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Slate
@CodyGray Sure, changed. — Slate ♦ 30 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
Re "...less pedantic about UK/US spelling differences": If both dictionaries are in the active set, it will be (Firefox. I think using more than one dictionary at a time is a newer feature; I am not sure. (It may imply having to install an extra dictionary).). — Peter Mortensen 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
Re "...less pedantic about UK/US spelling differences": If both dictionaries are in the active set, it will be (Firefox. I think using more than one dictionary at a time is a newer feature; I am not sure. (It may imply having to install an extra dictionary. Fortunately, the installation page is now linked directly from the same context menu).). — Peter Mortensen 1 min ago
 
10:51 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
@Mr. Boy: Jon Skeet can read your mind and thus know about the comment before you have the chance to type it and submit it. — Peter Mortensen 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
Would it be useful to merge the questions, which would move all of the answers from the duplicate to the main question? A moderator can do that easily. The only thing is that it literally moves all the answers without any obvious indication of where they came from, so it's only suitable when two questions are exact duplicates, not when they merely have the same solution. — Cody Gray ♦ 24 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TarHalda
@PM2Ring that explains a lot. I had no idea the site did that before. — TarHalda just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Sam Hanley
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Joundill
Just want to pop in here and give some credit to @KarlKnechtel. They pinged me via a comment on a Q&A I made a year or two ago, and mentioned that it was being discussed in chat. I think this sort of curation is important, and I wanted to say thanks for doing the work :) — Joundill 55 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Larnu
"I was trying to ask a question that is fairly critical to my project" this honestly sounds like you shouldn't be asking on Stack Overflow then; the site isn't a good place to get (for lack of better words) support on urgent projects. There are no SLAs on the site, and no guarantee you will even get an answer. If you didn't get an answer, would your project just be stalled for ever? — Larnu 22 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
I mean, it's not a programming question. — Kevin B 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by AJP
@KevinB are you refering to my initial question on StackOverflow? — AJP 26 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Anon Coward
Also, find me a SMTP server (or, well, any server for that matter) that implements a RFC spec 100% to code, and I'll show you a Unicorn. — Anon Coward 15 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Błażej Michalik
@CodyGray The problem I personally see here is that, so far, replacing questions with their canonical versions seems to ignore the particular viewpoint from which the question was asked. There's a huge difference between "When trying to do X I got an error E, how to fix it?" and "I'm trying to achieve X, I've got Y, what am I doing wrong?". The answer to the former should explain the issue in context of the error. The answers to the latter do not do that. — Błażej Michalik just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by AJP
@KevinB ok so maybe I could have reposted it to serverfault as it was and received an answer. I had assumed it was closed because of the comment where a user "Rob" had misunderstood the question. And the way I view it it very much is about programming. My friend is staring at their email logs and seeing 250 responses coming from my mail server, but my mail server (google) isn't showing anything to me. — AJP just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
Yea, these communities just aren't as connected as they might seem to be. I have no idea what is and isn't on topic on server fault, i spend my time here instead — Kevin B 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by AJP
The way I viewed it it was about programming but sounds like server fault would have been a better location for the question. My friend is staring at their email logs and seeing 250 responses coming from my mail server, but my mail server (google) isn't showing anything to me. If it's valid / reasonably expected behaviour then I'll advise them differently to if my mail server is behaving unreasonably. — AJP 50 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by AJP
Thank you, that makes sense. — AJP just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
"My friend is staring at their email logs and seeing 250 responses coming from my mail server, but my mail server (google) isn't showing anything to me." What does that have to do with programming? — Cody Gray ♦ 5 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
I mean, in a roundabout way it's certainly programming... in that the server handling these request surely relied on programming at some point to be what they are... but from our perspective it's server administration, as we're not looking at how these services were coded, rather, we're looking at how they're configured. — Kevin B 9 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
"My friend is staring at their email logs and seeing 250 responses coming from my mail server, but my mail server (google) isn't showing anything to me." What does that have to do with programming? Which one of you is doing any programming? — Cody Gray ♦ 54 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by AJP
Yeah fair question CodyGray, I think he needs to fix his server, change his IP address, or accept that his emails won't get through to me. It's programming related, but I agree serverfault is a better location than stackoverflow. Again I had assumed it was rejected because of the title and context, rather than because it was off topic. — AJP 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Makoto
@AJP: You're talking about administering a mail service, not writing code. It's not programming related for that reason. — Makoto 41 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by AJP
Yep, thanks @KevinB. Now I know more, it's a reasonable assumption his server code doesn't have a bug and it's a higher level problem to do with his server's IP address. — AJP 37 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by AJP
Thanks @Makoto . Now I know more, it's a reasonable assumption his server code doesn't have a bug and it's a higher level problem to do with his server's IP address. — AJP 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Bill K
The combination of involved (has an answer) and unilaterial action seem clearly wrong. Would it really have killed you to put it to a vote instead? Why not make the assumption that you might be unknowingly biased and allow the designed-in confirmation to take effect? — Bill K 15 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by seph
I tried to search, but didn't find anything. Anyhow... In addition to that link, I see: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/385546/… and meta.stackexchange.com/questions/386084/… and meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/422443/… It all seems like a pretty clear bug. — seph 10 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
@TravisJ I don't see how that would be appropriate in this case. They're not really announcing anything new. Informing us when the feature described here has been turned on/off is an update to this question, not a new question. A new question would be nothing more than a stub linking back to this. That doesn't help anyone. — Cody Gray ♦ 37 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dharman
It doesn't matter if you are really having this issue or not. It doesn't even matter if you already know the answer to it. If you think the question will be useful to others post it. It can be a completely made up scenario. — Dharman ♦ 15 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Karl Knechtel
"Worse case, they repost that as a question while mentioning they don't understand why the "AI" gave them a wrong answer." I have already seen this happening. — Karl Knechtel 44 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Karl Knechtel
@BłażejMichalik "It seems to me like, with the reasoning you described, we are going into a direction of SO being an API reference instead of a Q&A." I don't think I understand the distinction you're drawing, honestly. "There's a huge difference between "When trying to do X I got an error E, how to fix it?" and "I'm trying to achieve X, I've got Y, what am I doing wrong?"" - Yes; but "how do I achieve X" helps out both groups unless the actual X is not relevant to why they are asking the question. (1/2) — Karl Knechtel 26 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Karl Knechtel
(2/2) Sometimes the person with error E actually needs to be sent to the canonical for "why do I get E when I write code C?", and the fact that X is the goal is pretty well irrelevant. Sometimes the person who has written Y is just doing a bad job of asking about how to do (X - Y), but sometimes the Y attempt is totally pointless and it's better to ignore it (and possibly edit it out) and just point at the X canonical. It depends on the nature of X, frankly. — Karl Knechtel 27 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Karl Knechtel
@BillK when one has a dupe-hammer, the system does not offer the option to cast a normal duplicate close vote. I have to go out of my way to put it to a vote, and then I have less say than usual. — Karl Knechtel 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
This is not only a reasonable [support] question (since there are no duplicates), but it's even a valid (albeit implicit) feature request if not a bug report: what they say about the Tour is true. This information is not there. We all know it, it's obvious to us, but how do we expect a new user to figure this sort of thing out? Downvoting this makes no sense to me. Even if the downvote reason is lack of research effort, the question makes a pretty convincing case for research not solving this problem. — Cody Gray ♦ 22 secs ago
 

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