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12:04 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Karl Knechtel
"You can determine this yourself" It's not clear exactly what one is supposed to do with the SQL fragment in question. I assume this should be used on SEDE? Could we perhaps have a link to run the query? — Karl Knechtel 1 min ago
 
 
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1:10 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ryan M
@41686d6564 that is correct. We must refund a bounty in order to close the question. — Ryan M ♦ 24 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Drew Reese
Out of curiosity, is the time remaining being a factor to refund/close a question that likely shouldn't have ever had a bounty on it in the first place come down to mod preference? You'd think it would provide the most benefit to close/delete these garbage questions as early as possible. If the bounty was placed to keep the question from being closed/deleted does it matter that much if it's "caught" on day 1 or day 6? — Drew Reese 11 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ryan M
@DrewReese it's definitely a moderator preference thing, yeah. The idea is that with a bounty, you're paying for exposure for the question. If it's day 6, you've already gotten the vast majority of what you paid for, so refunding the price paid because the question is bad sort of means that people can get free exposure for bad questions, but exposure for good questions actually costs reputation. And that's not really the incentive structure we want. — Ryan M ♦ 39 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tyler V
@KarlKnechtel 4 years later there is still a steady stream of these questions (along with the newer "I don't know how asynchronous programming works" questions...). The vast majority of the time closing as a dupe results in "that doesn't answer my question", with not even enough time to have read the question and answers before commenting, or maybe only reading the first answer... — Tyler V 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Drew Reese
@RyanM Your answer certainly made it more clear (to me) that in this situation you should really spell it out "the why" for the mod message. Correct me if I'm wrong, if a member, after having paid for the exposure of their question, has no takers, no answers, etc... , they are refunded the bounty amount? The /help/bounty page isn't clear what happens to the bounty other than "If there's no answer meeting those criteria, no bounty is awarded to anyone." If the net result is no answer, is the bounty refunded, or considered "spent"? — Drew Reese 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ryan M
@DrewReese if they don't receive an answer, the bounty cost is still spent. The reputation simply goes away. — Ryan M ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Drew Reese
Ah, I see then, it makes sense to let the post/bounty age out and the asker incur the cost. — Drew Reese 9 secs ago
 
2:10 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Yunus Temurlenk
agree to all you say — Yunus Temurlenk 1 min ago
 
2:22 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Security Hound
@HovercraftFullOfEels - This offered the bounty. The irony of a user with 16K reputation offering a bounty an obviously bad out of scope question does not escape me — Security Hound 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Retired Ninja
Seems weird to bounty a 3.5 year old question about a library that seems to be no longer maintained. shrugRetired Ninja 11 secs ago
 
2:47 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Drew Reese
@Braiam How does this answer ignore that some tags have, in your opinion, absolutely zero relevant experts? Or rather, why does that even matter? If you see a question with what you deem to be irrelevant tags, what expert do you need to wait for to remove it and/or replace with a more relevant tag? If you aren't comfortable making that determination then this falls squarely into the first category: leaving it to be dealt with later by a SME or tag cleanup effort. I don't disagree with you that new tags should be vetted out better, if that's your point? — Drew Reese 8 secs ago
 
 
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3:52 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by NullPointerException
@adabsurdum I agree. I've seen a lot of good questions still get downvotes, so I can see how a net positive score can be a better metric. — NullPointerException 33 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by tgdavies
I would have voted to close that question as "needs focus", because there's no indication of what part of the process of using that library they are stuck on. I would expect the question to show the code they had written so far, and explain how its results were unexpected. — tgdavies 1 min ago
 
4:44 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by tgdavies
(but I appreciate that closing for that reason isn't really a moderator's job) — tgdavies 53 secs ago
 
5:02 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by cigien
No, such a question wouldn't be appropriate on this site, as it's asking for recommendations on what courses would best suit you, which isn't a programming question as defined in the help center. — cigien 14 secs ago
 
5:20 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by [ अंशुल](meta.stackoverflow.com/users/19096784/…)
@cigien Ok thanks — अंशुल 51 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Shog9
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
Re "I've stopped using Stack Overflow because I'm afraid to make people angry": You are not at all obliged to accept an answer. Don't be scared off by reputation points addicts. — Peter Mortensen 26 secs ago
 
5:40 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Stephen C
And besides ...answers would be 1) highly location specific, and 2) liable to be outdated quickly, and 3) opinionated and/or spammy. — Stephen C 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Stephen C
For example, for an answer to be useful to you, it would need to take account of your local industry job requirements. It would also need to take account of the specific curriculum for the courses as offered by your University ... and how good the specific lecturers and TAs are. And as noted ... this is off-topic for StackOverflow. — Stephen C 1 min ago
 
6:02 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Robotnik
Non-tag badges can be revoked in a few exceptional circumstances. Tag badges (badges awarded for contributions in a single tag) can be revoked if you no longer meet the requirements for that badge (for example, if you got downvoted, had an answer deleted etc). More infoRobotnik 37 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by customcommander
I really don't agree with the suggestion that the question is focused but your comment here makes sense to me though ;) Didn't see it that way. Thanks. — customcommander 32 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Karl Knechtel
Why are the reported counts much higher than what I see on the web site when I check out the individual questions? Is there more to it than just deleted questions/links? — Karl Knechtel 1 min ago
 
6:52 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Mateen Ulhaq
@ayhan zip(keys, values) does create an iterator of (key, value) tuples. (Not list, admittedly.) I think it's a bit more informative to write this than "...zip function are awesomely useful". — Mateen Ulhaq 30 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Mateen Ulhaq
@ayhan zip(keys, values) does create an iterator of (key, value) tuples. (Not list, admittedly.) I think it's a bit more informative to write this rather than "...zip function are awesomely useful". But I might be a bit biased since that edit was mine. :-) — Mateen Ulhaq 17 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Alexei Levenkov
stackoverflow.com/help/on-topic and stackoverflow.com/help/dont-ask should have covered your question. Please re-read those and edit your post to clarify why you think such question will be on-topic. — Alexei Levenkov just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Karl Knechtel
@DanLenski my take was that "awesomely useful" is not explanatory, and the overall sentence comes across as an excuse to shoehorn in the reference links without a clear motivation. I would greatly prefer to have a (technically accurate) summary of how the code works, rather than simply praising the power and elegance of the Python builtins. — Karl Knechtel 58 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Karl Knechtel
@KevinB My interpretation is that there isn't actually any explanation in that version beyond the links - unless you count "dict is a constructor" (really, a type, which in Python is callable to instantiate the type) and "zip" is a function". It's evident from context that both are callable anyway. The linked documentation explains what happens when you call them. That is still miles away from explaining why, when you use the two things together in this specific way, it solves the problem. — Karl Knechtel 39 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Karl Knechtel
While we're being pedantic, zip isn't a function in 3.x; it's a class. The returned value isn't a generator object, but an actual instance of that class. — Karl Knechtel 1 min ago
 
7:55 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Stephen C
🦡🦡🦡🦡, 🦡🦡🦡🦡, 🦡🦡🦡🦡, 🍄 🍄 :-) — Stephen C 44 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Stephen C
@noviceinDotNet - Indeed, to take your argument to its "logical" conclusion >this meta question< is SPAM since it mentions the name of a commercial product ... SPAM(tm). — Stephen C 14 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Braiam
" I don't see any good justification for why [mars] is still a synonym of the SQL tag" I don't see any good justification for why it's synonym of anything at all, specially since it generates work from those that do not pay attention to those that do. Remove the synonym and you have the solutino that doesn't generate any extra unnecessary trouble. — Braiam 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Braiam
@DrewReese because for a general policy it should be widely applicable. See my answer on this question for a widely applicable policy (ie. no tags about X should be created, because Y). This answer implies that every tag has expert, something that is not true. Also implies that any topic deserves a tag, also untrue, and only tries to shift a problem that shouldn't exist around instead of preventing it from ever existing. We shouldn't need to have experts to figure out their tags, they should only create them when they find a question that no other tag applies, like the help center says. — Braiam 1 min ago
 
8:37 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jivan
@CrisLuengo the pursuit of accessibility per se is not enough. Slightly easing the life of 0.5% of people when it's a net worse for 99% is not a good deal. — Jivan 14 secs ago
 
8:57 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Drew Reese
@Braiam You know, you're absolutely correct. When you figure out how to create a tag generating system that can determine if the user actually knows what they are talking about you should sell it to SO make a bunch of money. — Drew Reese 16 secs ago
 
9:19 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by ASh
@SecurityHound, users with 100K+ reputation answer obviously bad and/or out of scope questions without bounty to gain reputation points. spending 100 points on bounty when site allows it is just logical thing to do when facing the same issue. — ASh 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by ASh
bounty purspose is stated as "draw more attention". well, the question certainly got attention :D — ASh 34 secs ago
 
9:49 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lundin
"Unless there's a good reason why the question should be immediately deleted" Can you name a reason why it shouldn't be immediately deleted? This is a very bad question and preserving it holds no value. The flag was correct and this shouldn't have been declined. It's not the users' fault that the bounty system has a broken moderation API. — Lundin 47 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dharman
@Lundin I am not an expert in that API so I don't know if it should be closed. Even if it didn't have an active bounty I would probably still not vote to close. See Ryan M's answer below for more information. — Dharman ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lundin
The question is very clearly too broad and cannot be salvaged by anyone but the OP. You don't have to be a domain expert to tell that. "How do I do my whole project? I have made zero effort and zero research" is always a question that should be closed. — Lundin 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lundin
@Dharman As I replied there as well, you don't have to be an expert to immediately realize that this should be closed. Also the bounty mechanism shouldn't be abused as a means to keep crap questions open. — Lundin 43 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dharman
@Lundin The question was open for over 3 years, so the bounty is not an abuse of the system. The question is asking "how to" and it seems clear enough to me. IMHO I don't see a reason to close it. There's always some subjectivity when it comes to closing, but I wouldn't say that this one is obvious. — Dharman ♦ 56 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dharman
"I have made zero effort and zero research" That's definitely not a reason to close a question. The asker doesn't need to show an effort of what they tried if it's not relevant to the question. This question might be too broad, but it's not asking to write a whole application, so you would need an expert to know if this question can be answered in the current form. — Dharman ♦ 1 min ago
 
10:14 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lundin
Seriously? Then what's your definition of a too broad question, if this isn't one? I can rephrase it slightly: "Can you give me the complete code for how to create bitcoin cash private key, wallet and address with bitcoincashjs javascript library?" The only difference between this question and the one in the link is that I've now clarified that no effort or research have been made or will be made. So it's actually an improvement... — Lundin 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dharman
@Lundin I can't tell you if you need to write a whole tutorial to explain how to do this or if it's only a couple lines of code. It might be as simple as calling one function. There's no research or effort necessary from the author because the question seems clear to me without it. But I don't know how to do it either. I assume that's the whole reason why someone posted a bounty. They also want to know how to do it. — Dharman ♦ 5 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dharman
A question that lacks focus means that a good answer would need to be a whole book to explain the topic properly. The official description says "it includes multiple questions". We require askers to focus on a single problem that can be answered in the available answer space. An effort to try something is absolutely not necessary from the asker. — Dharman ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lundin
It shouldn't matter. If it's a simple thing that can be achieved by just calling a function, then in that case the op should be able to quickly figure it out by RTFM and in that case it boils down to "where can I find basic study material" instead. That's not a question we should answer or need to preserve either. — Lundin 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lundin
And no matter how we put it, it's not some great loss to the site if this question was just deleted. If someone truly and desperately needs an answer to it, then they can post a new, better question, simple as that. My stand vs the "crap huggers" in the endless debate here on meta is always: we do not need to preserve crap just for the sake of it. — Lundin 44 secs ago
 
11:14 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Henke
Both the question and this answer fail to mention that it takes a mere 5 in reputation to suggest the creation of a new tag. See the procedure described under you can request the creation of a tag by starting a new meta discussion. — Henke 22 secs ago
 
 
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12:17 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Theodor Zoulias
I am with @Braiam here. The current wording suggests that two different questions can be marked as duplicates, if one question contains a quality answer that answers both questions. For example (1) "How to remove duplicates from a List?`" and (2) "Why my list is corrupted after calling List.RemoveAll?". If I write an answer to (1) that accidentally also addresses the (2), then the (2) should be marked as duplicate to (1). That's wrong. It's apples and oranges. These two are different questions. — Theodor Zoulias 53 secs ago
 
12:39 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Machavity
@Braiam Or... you delete the synonym and someone makes a new [mars] tag with whatever meaning they can infuse in it. Leaving it as a synonym of something related prevents that. Trying to alter the tag blocklist is a pain (requires waiting on a Dev). I simply left it as a synonym of the original meaning. Unfortunately, typing in "mars" in the tag bar shows [sql-server-mars] first, unmarshalling second, and [mars-simulator] last. If they'd ever fix the tag suggestion system it would be less of an issue. — Machavity ♦ 56 secs ago
 
1:10 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zoe stands with Ukraine
Looks like we'll need to disambiguate swiper before any merger or synonymization. Seeing several questions about swiping as a concept — Zoe stands with Ukraine ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by dippas
I guess for that we can use swipedippas 11 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zoe stands with Ukraine
For instance, or just remove the tag if neither tag adds value. Can't do that automatically though, we'll likely need to manually review all the questions, which is going to take a while. — Zoe stands with Ukraine ♦ 8 secs ago
 
1:49 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dharman
@mason What's wrong with "gimme the code" question? That's one of the best questions we could have on Stack Overflow. I much prefer questions like this than debugging questions which are more localized. It's pretty much the purpose of Stack Overflow to provide solutions to common programming problems. — Dharman ♦ just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by mason
@Dharman This isn't a programming problem. It's an application description. It's no more on topic than "How do I create a blog website using ASP.NET Core and Entity Framework?". It's not a matter of what you prefer. It's a matter of what the standards of our site are, and you're really diluting the purpose here if you keep encouraging "gimme the code" questions like that. — mason 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ryan M
@mason assuming my description of the relevant concepts is correct, how much more focused could it be? It's more or less asking "how do I generate a new Bitcoin Cash key and get the address for it?" It's not like Ethereum where a wallet can actually be an application in itself. — Ryan M ♦ 8 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dharman
This is why I am saying that I don't know the topic and I would not vote to close this question. It might very well be unfocused and asking for too much, but I can't know that. What I know is that questions like that are generally very much on-topic and "lack of effort" is not a close reason. — Dharman ♦ 10 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by mason
@RyanM They should have attempted to actually write the application. That means breaking down their application into specific tasks (plan) and then attempt to actually implement it. If they get stuck on a particular part, create a [mcve] and clearly explain what they're trying to do and what's not working about it. — mason 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by mason
@Dharman Lack of effort isn't a close reason, but an overly broad question asking how to implement a bunch of things is a valid close reason. The way to make it on-topic is to actually put effort in and attempt something. — mason 41 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ryan M
@mason They did: the part they are stuck on is creating a new Bitcoin Cash wallet and getting its private key and address. This is like saying that someone trying to access command-line arguments in Python should try to write a Python application that accesses command-line arguments and report where they get stuck (I'd guess they would get stuck on the "access command line arguments" bit). Presumably, they've already tried, and they can't figure out how to do it. — Ryan M ♦ 58 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ryan M
They did: the part they are stuck on is creating a new Bitcoin Cash wallet and getting its private key and address. This is like saying that someone trying to access command-line arguments in Python should try to write a Python application that accesses command-line arguments and report where they get stuck (I'd guess they would get stuck on the "access command line arguments" bit). Presumably, they've already tried, and they can't figure out how to do it. — Ryan M ♦ 35 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by mason
@RyanM If they've already tried, they need to show what they've tried and clearly explain what's not working about their attempt. You say presumably they tried, but that's just it - you've assumed. Until you see actual evidence presented with a clear problem, then it's not a reasonably scoped question. We don't know what the problem is, because we can't see what they've tried. So, it should be closed. If they edit their attempt into the question and show us what problem they're having, that would make it valid. — mason 51 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ryan M
@mason you're essentially saying is that the question should be closed for lack of evidence of effort. This is exactly the same as closing a question for lack of effort. — Ryan M ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by mason
@RyanM No, I am not saying that it should be closed for lack of evidence of effort. I'm saying that it should be closed because it's not a reasonably scoped question, and the way to fix it is to put in some effort and then show what's not working about their attempt. Can you see the difference? — mason 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by mason
By putting in some effort, they'll either end up with what they want (hooray!) or they'll run into a specific issue they're unable to solve, which will give them a valid question to ask on Stack Overflow. — mason 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ryan M
@mason Is your argument that it should be broken up into multiple questions about creating the wallet, getting the address, and getting the private key? But...evidence of effort wouldn't help with that. Simply reducing the scope of the question would. It would be far better to focus on that than the need to show what they've tried. Questions that ask for debugging assistance often end up reducing to simple logic errors that will never help anyone else with the same task. — Ryan M ♦ 18 secs ago
 
2:29 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ian Campbell
I'm not sure it's working for them. I've purchased service from them in the past, and I didn't even recognize that mess of an icon as them. — Ian Campbell 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Adrian Mole
@IanCampbell Same here. It was the keen eye of Jeanne dark who pointed me to the company, and the ever-watchful Dharman also found it a bit later on. — Adrian Mole 8 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ryan M
@AbdulAzizBarkat ...sounds like you could go claim a bounty :-) — Ryan M ♦ 15 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ian Campbell
Also relevant: a (former) staff member mentioned here that "The reason that you are not seeing the 18x16 logo on the actual tag, is that we only allow that for advertisers that own a copyright on the name of the tag." Did DigitalOcean snag a trademark on cloud when we weren't looking? — Ian Campbell 44 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Abdul Aziz Barkat
@RyanM ah, well I am not an SME (never really worked with Blockchain), don't want to end up embarrassing myself :). — Abdul Aziz Barkat 33 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by mason
@RyanM, No, my argument isn't that it should be broken up. My argument is that there's no clear problem statement, therefore it's not reasonably scoped, and therefore should be closed. The user needs to have a clear problem statement on their question in order to be valid. They might run into a new issue after they receive a solution for whatever their first problem is, and then they can create a new question so long as that too had a reasonably scoped problem statement. — mason 46 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Salman Malik
They wanted the attention they got it. ;D — Salman Malik 47 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by mason
@AbdulAzizBarkat You found a library, same as the user could have. That's good, now they need to actually try using it. Then, if they run into a problem implementing the library that they're unable to resolve, they can show what they've tried with that library and what's not working about it. That would make it a reasonably scoped question. — mason 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ryan M
@mason the question specifically asks how to do so with this library. It is very clearly written in the very short problem description. — Ryan M ♦ 53 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Salman Malik
There's an urgent need for flag this bounty option. — Salman Malik 52 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by mason
@RyanM Yes, exactly! If I'm having trouble with consuming command line arguments in Python, I should show what I've tried and clearly explain the issue I'm running into. That would give a clear problem statement and thus be a valid question. — mason 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by mason
@RyanM Then they should show the code that they've attempted to write and clearly explain what's not working about the attempt. This is no different than any other question that says something is "not working" without showing what they've tried and what's not working about it: it should be closed. — mason 13 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TylerH
It is also on deploymentTylerH 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
@mason code and/or attempt isn't needed if they haven't indicated that they've ran into a problem with implementation. — Kevin B 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by dbc
It looks like a rendering error in all honesty, specifically a circle inside a square that somehow got mangled. — dbc 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Henke
I might add that there are currently 5,017 questions tagged locale and 13,298 questions tagged localization, of which 371 questions have both tags. — Henke 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Adrian Mole
@TylerH But not (yet) on stack-overflow. xD — Adrian Mole 59 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ian Campbell
I'm not sure I agree that multidimensional-array has well written tag guidance. "Multidimensional-arrays can be described as multi-dimensional tables. Each index used in order to find a given element is called a dimension." Were's the guidance? — Ian Campbell 58 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by mason
@KevinB Then the question isn't reasonably scoped, there's no clear problem statement. It's an application description. I'm not saying that all questions require code, just that they must be reasonably scoped, and that on this particular question, it's too broad. — mason 53 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by jonrsharpe
How many tags are they on?! I spotted continuous-integrationjonrsharpe 51 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Oleg Valter is with Ukraine
Are you question-banned? Otherwise, you can ask questions (but be sure they are complete, on-topic, well-formatted, and always check that it hasn't been asked before), and if they are good enough, they will be upvoted, and you will earn enough rep to vote up in no time (the privilege has one of the lowest rep requirements). — Oleg Valter is with Ukraine 22 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by jps
neither choose an answer - you mean accepting an answer? Of course you can, if the the question was your own. And you will earn 2 rep points for it. - to show gratitute by upvoting - upvoting is not an act of gratitude towards a person but should show that an answer is useful. — jps 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cetin Basoz
You can't accept a reply as an answer? That is odd, I never asked a question and that would really be odd if you need reputation to do that. — Cetin Basoz 53 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
@mason SO isn't a debugging service. Not every question has to be "How do i fix this error" or "correct this code". "How do i do X" is a valid question without attempts. — Kevin B 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by dbc
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dan Is Fiddling By Firelight
No they do not refer to the same thing. An array of arrays doesn't need to have each inner array be the same size. — Dan Is Fiddling By Firelight 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Adrian Mole
@dbc Well, that, in itself, makes the whole campaign look rather more sinister, IMHO. — Adrian Mole 53 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Oleg Valter is with Ukraine
@CetinBasoz it's indeed not needed - as jps rightfully mentioned, one can always accept an answer on their own question. I suspect the OP tried to accept an answer on a question that hadn't been asked by them. That's the only reasonable explanation of not being able to accept (unless SE introduced a bug, but we'd know that by now). — Oleg Valter is with Ukraine 50 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
Ugh, this again someone on SE's side messed up the sponsored tag association, again. — Cerbrus 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by mason
@KevinB Not, that's not necessarily valid if it's too broad in scope. It must be reasonably scoped. How do I create a blog using ASP.NET and Entity Framework? How do I implement machine learning with Python and TensorFlow? How do I create a Bitcoin wallet with bitcoincashjs? None of those are reasonably scoped. — mason 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Adrian Mole
@Cerbrus You have links to Meta posts for other cases? — Adrian Mole 56 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
I'd categorize smething that can be solved in 4 lines as being quite different from building an entire website. — Kevin B 25 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by ouflak
I might have an array that has mixed object types, some, perhaps many/most, being arrays, but also composed of other types of objects. Should be careful here. — ouflak 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by jps
I think there's also a minimum time before an answer can be accepted. Don't ask me for details, would have to look it up. — jps 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ian Campbell
This user doesn't have any questions on the main, so it's possible they have two accounts by accident. This would explain why they can't accept an answer on "their own" question. (Alternatively, they may have deleted the question.) — Ian Campbell 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Henke
Thanks for answering. There is also a local tag. — Henke 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Larnu
The tag you've used, [sponsored-tags], gives a few examples, @AdrianMole: 1 2 (Cerbrus expresses the same distress in that one), 3, 5, 4... I could keep going ;) — Larnu 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TheMaster
@DanIsFiddlingByFirelight Good point, but do you think these two tags are necessary? — TheMaster 37 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
That's just a few of them. This happens way too often. I'm also not particularly pleased that anyone can just "buy" generic tags. — Cerbrus 43 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Adrian Mole
@Larnu OK - Enough said. But please don't close this as a duplicate ... it's an issue that must be voiced and dealt with. — Adrian Mole 41 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Henke
Thanks for answering. There is also a local tag. Description. — Henke 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by JD-Stack
Yup Yup Yup, this shouldn't be the case. Not good, we'll fix it. We improved some messaging in our internal system to avoid these cases, this (I think) made us have this issue less frequent... But it slipped through. Apologies, and we'll fix it. I'll update this post when that's done. — JD-Stack 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Farenhai
Ian Campbell - Actually, I had a question but I deleted since I couldn't find a way to to choose an answer. I even said it as answer and was said to choose an answer... I expended more than half an hour trying to find a button and the upvoting buttons wouldn't work at all. :( Is this website not Firefox friendly? — Farenhai 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Larnu
I didn't say I was going to vote this closed as duplicate; it's not a duplicate. It's the same issue, yes, but with a different set of tags and a new instance of of the problem. — Larnu 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Adrian Mole
@JD-Stack Please feel free to post that comment as an answer ... I might even upvote and/or accept it. :-) — Adrian Mole 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by ouflak
I wonder if I should note that my definitions are really with respect to programming. From a very strict, but general, linguistic definition, they are much closer in meaning. Since I've come across issues in both professionally, and thus have an idea of the practical differences, that's biased my answer — ouflak 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by JD-Stack
I promise to do so when we fix it (forces me to actually do it :P) — JD-Stack 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by jps
I even said it as answer and was said to choose an answer... - Sorry, what does that mean? — jps 53 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Farenhai
Sorry for bad expression. It means I said I was being unable to choose or upvote any answer, so I wanted to say 'thank you' and some guy told me not to say 'thank you' but choose and upvote... Confused? So i was too... — Farenhai 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jared Smith
Obligatory Dora the Explorer joke. — Jared Smith 8 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Henke
OK. My own bias is even more restrictive than with respect to programming, I would say. Namely that I have been reading the locale description and the localization description and compared them. From those descriptions I have scratched my head, trying to understand the difference – having a hard time to find any. — Henke 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by jps
To make it clear. You can allways accept an answer to your own question by clicking on the checkmark. Upvoting requeires minimum 15 reputation points and commenting requires minimum 50 rep. points. And deleting a question just because you can't upvote an answer is not nice for those who spent time answering. — jps 7 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dan Is Fiddling By Firelight
Jagged arrays is a valid synonym. — Dan Is Fiddling By Firelight 50 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Farenhai
@jps yeah you're completely right. I just didn't think it the right way. I was unhappy about not being able to close the answer and thought it wasn't a good thing to let the stuff open. Poor thinking on my side, won't happen again. Sorry ... where is that checkmark??? I don't see it anywhere.. — Farenhai 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Henke
I have also looked at the revision history of the localization tag and compared it with the description of the locale tag. From that comparison, I still have a hard time seeing any essential difference. On the contrary, the similarities are striking, with both descriptions mentioning both language and region. — Henke 29 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Henke
For the sake of completeness, here is the excerpt history of the locale tag. — Henke 16 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by jps
the checkmark is that green thing that you see left of the answer When you are the asker, and there are answers, you see the checkmark in grey left of each answer until you click on one. After clicking it turns green and the answer is accepted. And now you can't see it, because here is no answer, just comments. Comments can't be accepted as an answer. — jps 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Farenhai
@jps there's no grey or green checkmark on my screen. I must be having some issues. I can only see a grey flag to report for 'serious problems or moderator attention'. I assume this not what you are referring to, right? :/ — Farenhai 46 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ian Campbell
@Farenhai If you visit this link you can find your deleted question. You can undelete it with the link labeled "undelete" under the question and accept one of the answers using the gray check that appears to the left of the answer when you hover over it. — Ian Campbell 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Farenhai
@IanCampbell Done! Thank you! — Farenhai 39 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ian Campbell
The problem is you can only accept answers. Those things under your question are comments. Your question has been closed, so no one will be able to post a new answer. — Ian Campbell 58 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by jps
please reread my last comment above. Here on this quesiton, there is no answer you could accept, just comments. And nobody can actually answer, because the question is closed as a duplicate of a similar question (see the big banner on top of your question) — jps 16 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Farenhai
@IanCampbell alright... damn sorry I didn't get it before! Thanks indeed for clarifying... — Farenhai 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Farenhai
@jps alright... damn sorry I didn't get it before! Thanks indeed for clarifyin... — Farenhai 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Henke
I would say that the number of questions for the respective tags could be taken as a vote to make locale a synonym of localization, rather than the other way around. Provided of course that we can agree that the tags are indeed synonyms. — Henke 9 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TylerH
Not sure I like this... maybe I'm in the minority but I have never heard the term 'jagged array' before so I would not know to search for it when looking for that kind of thing via tags. "Array of arrays" is self-explanatory even without knowing special terms. What is the reasoning behind the name "jagged" for arrays of arrays? What is "jagged" about them? — TylerH 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TylerH
^ That being said, I'm not sure we need a tag for either of them. Just use arrays. — TylerH 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by ouflak
Well, where I've run into locale issues that had nothing to do with language has been, among other surprising things, how date/time is formatted, how menus, especially drop down menus, are presented, and how money is formatted. Localization issues I've run into are bit more obvious, translating what we've so generously presented in English, in another language where an exact translation is simply impossible, often making them especially verbose and requiring a fluent speaker (typically a local distributor) to do the actual translation, and then for us to incorporate that. — ouflak 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TheMaster
@TylerH I've changed it to a discussion post. Feel free to add a answer. — TheMaster 38 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ian Campbell
Won't they just post the question without the link? "I'm working on the recent L33tc0de about foo-ing that bar. How do I foo a bar anyway?" — Ian Campbell 20 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by jps
I saw your undeleted qustion on SO now. That was closed as a typo and has only comments. That can indeed be deleted again, as we usually don't keep questions that are closed as "non reproducible or caused by typos". — jps 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by πάντα ῥεῖ
@IanCampbell well, just without that link the question renders completely useless, unless the OP gives a better explanation. — πάντα ῥεῖ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by VLAZ
I agree it's a problem. I'm not sure if blocking is the correct solution...however, I also don't think we have other tools at our disposal. Showing a notification like "We see you posted a link to <site>, please include details" is very likely going to be ignored. But if the link is blocked, then... users are likely to just post the question without it and say something like "I'm solving <some name> challenge from <some site>" and that's essentially the same as before - not enough details. — VLAZ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by πάντα ῥεῖ
@VLAZ see comment above — πάντα ῥεῖ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Andrew T.
Is the issue with the link, or the question category itself? For the latter, How competitive programming questions should be asked?Andrew T. 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by πάντα ῥεῖ
@AndrewT. The link is an indicator (strong one) — πάντα ῥεῖ 12 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by khelwood
A jagged array is an array of arrays of different lengths: so they are jagged rather than flat or rectangular. — khelwood 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Henry Ecker
If I'm remembering correctly, jagged arrays are arrays that are not square. In that they can have variable dimensions e.g. {{1}, {2,3}, {4,5,6}} (hence jagged). In that regard array of arrays is a parent description that describes both as not all "array of arrays" are "jagged arrays". — Henry Ecker 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Daniel Widdis
I've never heard "jagged array" either but I presume it's an array of arrays where the sub-arrays have differing lengths (jagged) compared to a more "square" shape which apparently is what "multidimensional-arrays" are, not that I'd ever heard that restriction for that term either. — Daniel Widdis 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Henke
Well, where I've run into locale issues that [...] has been, among other surprising things, how date/time is formatted, how menus, especially drop down menus, are presented, and how money is formatted. – OK. But for the scenario you describe, (instead of considering the locale tag) I would probably consider one of the following tags : localdate, localdatetime, localtime, datetime-format, number-formatting, simpledateformat, date-format, date-formatting, decimalformat. — Henke 46 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by dippas
@JaredSmith like this one ? Did you hear Dora the Explorer is having trouble with her Tinder account? Swiper no swipingdippas 43 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by ouflak
Surprised there's not a currency tag. — ouflak 13 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jared Smith
@dippas ...ok back from texting that to everybody I know. LOL! — Jared Smith 57 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Larnu
If the question is on-topic without the link, and the link doesn't add anything, then remove it in an edit. If the question isn't on-topic then VTC/flag it appropriately. The motivation for a question being asked is irrelevant. Just like homework questions aren't inherently off-topic; it's just poorly asked ones that are (generally when they just copy-pasta their assignment statement with no attempt or details or the difficulty they are having). — Larnu 26 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Henke
Well, where I've run into locale issues that [...] has been, among other surprising things, how date/time is formatted, how menus, especially drop down menus, are presented, and how money is formatted. – OK. But for the scenario you describe, (instead of considering the locale tag) I would probably consider one of the following tags : localdate, localdatetime, localtime, money-format, datetime-format, number-formatting, simpledateformat, date-format, date-formatting, decimalformat. — Henke 16 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Henke
My mistake: I missed the money-format. Well that is not local of course. — Henke 35 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by ouflak
Ah, there is it is. — ouflak 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by VLAZ
@πάνταῥεῖ most of the questions that only contain a link instead of explanation are completely useless right now. Nothing changes if the link isn't there. I already VTC them as "Needs details". Or "Needs debugging details" if I'm feeling like one more click. That loop you suggest just shouldn't happen in the first place. — VLAZ 53 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Abdul Aziz Barkat
I see it's removed from the other tags, but it is still there on the web-applications tag. Is that caching? — Abdul Aziz Barkat 47 secs ago
 
4:34 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by VLAZ
"en-US" and "en-GB" are locales. "truck" and "lorry" are different localisations that rely on the locale. — VLAZ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by JD-Stack
@AbdulAzizBarkat - I re-checked all the toggles, and they are set correctly. So probably caching, I'll check again tomorrow. If it's not fixed by then we'll dig deeper — JD-Stack 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by MisterMiyagi
Can we please stop trying to turn every general question into a specific debugging question? "How to do X?" is useful to tons of people; "Why does ABCDEFHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWYZ not do X?" is useful to practically no one but the OP. Yes, questions may lack focus or otherwise fail to be specific enough; No, that does not mean that an attempt is needed. — MisterMiyagi 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by theking2
How about include in github link in an answer? — theking2 1 min ago
 
5:25 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by sorosh_sabz
I think it is not beautiful and very big for page — sorosh_sabz 49 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Security Hound
1. An upvote should not be used to say "thank you", it should be used to indicate the question was helpful, since a downvote is indicated to say the question was not helpful. Likewise, a downvote isn't the opposite of "thank you", which is the reason an upvote isn't a "thank you". Goes without saying that you shouldn't ask a question and then receive an answer and in the end delete the question. Somebody spent time answering your question, you shouldn't waste their time, by deleting a question that receives an answer. — Security Hound 45 secs ago
 
 
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[ Boson ] New comment posted by Makyen
@SalmanMalik That option already exists. It's labeled as "in need of moderator intervention". — Makyen ♦ 1 min ago
 
7:09 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by zcoop98
I think this a case where [arrayofarrays] describes a superset that contains both [multidimensional-array] and [jagged-array]. Both of those tags describe concepts that can be described as an "array of arrays", albeit with different modifiers (in this case, whether all arrays in the set are the same length or not). I'm not sure either of those options really fit as synonyms; I'd vote for either leaving it be or synonymizing to [arrays] if there's a good reason to get rid of it. — zcoop98 9 secs ago
 
7:24 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Drew Reese
@MisterMiyagi For the most part it seems all the easy "How to do X?" questions have already been asked/answered, with hundreds or thousands of votes, and duplicates. We don't need more of them as they are generally overly broad and should probably be voted on accordingly. When I come across "How to do X" questions my go-to comment is typically "Well, SO isn't a code writing service, what have you tried? What is the issue?". If we see what they are trying to do it is often obvious and easy to point them to duplicates, or VTC needing more details if they fail to provide it. — Drew Reese 56 secs ago
 
7:39 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TheMaster
@zcoop98 Can you add it as a answer, so that people may actually vote on your suggestion? — TheMaster 52 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TGrif
I'm tired about people who do not make the effort to find answer by themselves. — TGrif 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Braiam
@Machavity I prefer that thousands times over having people mistagging. That means that people actually go out their way to create the tag. The [internet] tag just had to be removed twice in 6 years, so, being afraid of something that might happen once again and then never, is very irrational. — Braiam 51 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user4581301
I recommend taking the tour that was offered when you signed up at Stack Overflow and reading How to Ask to get a better feel of how to write questions that are more likely to be well-received and get good answers. It's hard to use the site, or anything, correctly without familiarizing yourself with the tool. You should also read How to Debug Small Programs so that you will be better able to self-answer the simple stuff — user4581301 29 secs ago
 
8:42 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Braiam
We already have that, it's called we do not allow users to create tags that have no point to be on the system and enforce it with humans. We do not need to automate/algorithm every single thing on the site, just have a sane policy, have the tools that allows to apply it consistently and do so. — Braiam 16 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TheMaster
Consider accepting my answer. — TheMaster 34 secs ago
 
9:04 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TGrif
And I'm also tired about poor quality question migrated from SO to MSO FWIW. It can't be answered on Meta, because it's a (well known) duplicate... — TGrif 14 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TGrif
Feature request, migrate it to MSE in the future. — TGrif 16 secs ago
 
9:57 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by zcoop98
I initially felt like [arrayofarrays] was distinct from either of the given tags, but after looking into it a bit more I fully agree with you. Multidimensional arrays exist as a standalone structure in at least a few languages, which makes it distinct enough from [jagged-arrays] and [arrayofarrays], which functionally are always the same thing. If [jagged-arrays] stays around, it makes sense for [arrayofarrays] to become a synonym of it. — zcoop98 13 secs ago
 
10:09 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user4581301
A counter for that @TGrif : We should be able to close SO questions as duplicates of MSO or MSE questions. — user4581301 59 secs ago
 

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