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3:15 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by CrazyChucky
What about reducing the rep gain, rather than eliminating it entirely? It is, at the very least, kind of strange that it grants more rep than an upvote, especially since any asker with the requisite rep will usually upvote and accept. What if it only gave, say, +5 to the answerer? — CrazyChucky 15 secs ago
 
3:34 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by CrazyChucky
Well, the answers could still get upvotes, just not from the asker. I'm not entirely sure whether that's a good thing or not, but it appears to be an intentional part of the proposal. — CrazyChucky 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by jpmc26
@Cerbrus I like how you're trying to silence discussion by not actually replying. All right. Let's close every canonical. Those don't need new answers. Does that make sense? No, it doesn't. Your interpretation is just wrong. — jpmc26 40 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Daniel Widdis
@CrazyChucky My Unsung Hero badge would suggest otherwise. — Daniel Widdis 19 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by CrazyChucky
Oh believe me, I've got one too. Again, I'm not saying I necessarily agree with the proposal, just that I don't think you're pointing out something they didn't intend. They're explicitly trying to reduce the incentive for answering new user's questions unless the answers are likely to be noticed as useful by people other than just the asker. — CrazyChucky 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Daniel Widdis
@CrazyChucky "Reduce" might be changing it from 15 to 5. What's proposed is changing it from 15 to 0. — Daniel Widdis 19 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by CrazyChucky
Personally I think that's probably a better idea too; I commented so on the question above. — CrazyChucky 54 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by cigien
Yes, this effect is one of the big reasons for the proposal (it's item 1 in fact). I'm hoping that without the incentive to answer such questions (i.e. the kind that only the OP would find useful) these questions do go unanswered. As to the exact rep change, if making it +5 instead of +0 gets popular support, I'd be willing to change that. There's already several comment suggesting this, so it does look to be more popular. — cigien 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by CrazyChucky
I don't know about eliminating it entirely, but I second the idea of lowering it to +5 or +2. It is a little odd that an accept grants more rep than an upvote, especially since any asker with sufficient rep and experience will usually do both. — CrazyChucky 22 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Daniel Widdis
@cigien I don't play FGITW and am not the target of your proposal. The questions I answer are mostly in a low-visibility tag that very few people have expertise in. I might consider supporting a proposal that reduces FGITW competition by reducing rewards based on "views" or some other measure of visibility. — Daniel Widdis 35 secs ago
 
4:04 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by cigien
Re para 1: I don't really see that this proposal would make the FGITW issue worse. Yes, the comments may shift from asking for accepts to asking for upvotes, but we have very robust mechanisms to handle users posting the latter kind of comment, as such comments are strictly not allowed. Unlike the former, which is much less clear, as such comments are often posted to "educate" users (or so is claimed). — cigien 13 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by cigien
Re para 2: I'm not particularly sympathetic to users who would stop/reduce helping out askers because they can earn 15 less reputation points, but that's neither here nor there. If it reduces the number of high quality answers that are contributed to the site, then you're right, that's definitely something that needs to be accounted for. — cigien 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by cigien
Re para 3: I'm not really sure what you mean by "niche technologies getting a foothold". Users can still ask and answer questions in that tag. If you mean this proposal makes it even harder for users who only post in niche tags to earn lots of reputation, then yes, this proposal would have that effect to some extent. I'm not entirely sure that's a major downside though. — cigien 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by vrintle
To be honest, I was on stackoverflow because of the old buttons.. — vrintle 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by cigien
Please correct me if I'm misunderstanding you, but it sounds like you're claiming that this proposal would reduce your motivation to answer questions? If so, then yes, unfortunately this proposal would target users such as yourself. I am hoping that the number of users who provide quality contributions won't reduce substantially as a result of there being less rep to earn, but perhaps I'm being overly optimistic about that. This is valuable feedback, I appreciate it. — cigien 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by cigien
Re para 2: Yes, this won't affect many users. There are only a handful of users who fall in this category. (I won't call it gaming, just users who cross the rep cap because of accepted answers). There's only a small benefit to be had in this regard, I agree. — cigien 37 secs ago
 
4:44 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by cigien
This part of your answer ... while reducing the incentive to answer old questions. Instead of 15-25 points ... you would get 0-10. is quite important. If it's really true that the opportunity to get 15 less rep will reduce many users' motivation to post answers, and these users would otherwise post high quality content, then this is a loss to the site. I'm hoping that the number of such users is quite low. The few users I know in the tag I follow who consistently post good answers wouldn't really care about the minor rep loss, but that may not be representative of most users. — cigien 5 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Daniel Widdis
@cigien Hard to say as I already answer questions for far too little rep.... so I'd probably still do it in the near term. But after doing it for a few years for zero reward? I'd probably go off and play FGITW elsewhere just to get enough rep to do moderation activities. — Daniel Widdis 1 min ago
 
5:07 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Daniel Widdis
@cigien I think Laurel's answer expresses this point a lot more eloquently than I have. Low-vis tags in niche or new technologies with a small pool of experts will suffer from your proposal. I recognize there's a FGITW problem with "answer this trivial question for me" in popular tags, but the fix should be targeted to those questions. — Daniel Widdis 1 min ago
 
5:39 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by cigien
I've left a comment on Laurel's answer asking what exactly the issue is in niche tags. Their answer suggests it would be harder to earn reputation in those tags, which is true, not that it would reduce the motivation of users to post in those tags (but may well be what they meant, since they pointed out the motivation issue on old posts). I don't really have any concrete ideas for how to constrain something like this proposal (or any proposal really) to only specific tags, I'm afraid. — cigien 24 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Daniel Widdis
@cigien Ultimately, the question is "what problem are you trying to solve"? Is it people gaining too much rep and then abusing it? How... or is it people posting crappy answers? Maybe make downvoting answers not cost rep.... THAT I would vote for and would downvote a lot more than I currently do with the pitifully small amount of rep I earn from quality answers that you're trying to take away. :) — Daniel Widdis 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by cigien
I've listed 5 specific problems in the question that the proposal attempts to solve. I'd be happy to clarify any of them if they're unclear. Also, I would like stress that I'm not by any means suggesting that this proposal is the only way to address these problems. There are certainly plenty of proposals (including not charging rep for downvotes, which has already been proposed IIRC) that would help. — cigien 20 secs ago
 
6:02 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Daniel Widdis
@cigien 1. If you're sure it's only helpful to the OP, add a close vote reason (we have nonrepro/typo for this purpose). 2 and 4 can be solved by removing the rep penalty for downvoting answers, even if there's some minimum level of curation ability demonstrated before you get the free pass. 3. can be stopped with a network text based block on the word "accept". 5. You haven't demonstrated there's a problem here. A bigger problem is people who curate but DON'T gain privileges because rep is nearly impossible to come by for people who primarily curate. — Daniel Widdis 1 min ago
 
6:40 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
Yea I'm not gonna bother replying if you're just going to insult me. — Cerbrus 1 min ago
 
7:25 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jivan
@AdrianMole not sure but I keep hearing that there's no evidence of widespread fraud big enough to have changed the outcome of this vote — Jivan 28 secs ago
 
8:05 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Andrew T.
"the question is "what problem are you trying to solve"?" mostly about this: Rule proposal: comments asking for accepts and votes shall no longer be allowed, which also was opposed by the community. — Andrew T. 1 min ago
 
8:22 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tom
It is not an option to edit your answer and get it undeleted? To me it looks more like the most intuitive option. — Tom 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Andrew T.
Could you clarify what the issue is? Is it about "old answer", or "deleted answer", or both "old and deleted answer", or just... "answer"? It's because the confirmation dialog should help to prevent new users from posting multiple answers as replies (forum vs Q&A). — Andrew T. 9 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Karl Knechtel
@Tom my old answer is bad. It is effectively a link-only answer, and linking to a Google search at that. I was already old enough to know better, too. — Karl Knechtel 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Karl Knechtel
@AndrewT. I consider it an issue because the answer is deleted, and not because it is old. The dialog specifically suggests a course of action that isn't available to me because of the deletion. — Karl Knechtel 27 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Karl Knechtel
It's not even the message generally that bothers me (although I think your point is well taken about familiarity), it's the fact that a deleted question can still trigger the check. — Karl Knechtel 34 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by VLAZ
@KarlKnechtel I also understand the sentiment there. You can edit your answer and undelete it. But I also disagree with it being generally applicable. Surely experienced users would know when to undeleted and when to post a different answer. Or post multiple answers. — VLAZ 14 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Rob Grant
Well, this is just fantastic. — Rob Grant 8 secs ago
 
8:45 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Karl Knechtel
@M.Justin Sadly, I have seen many cases where simple, popular questions attracted answers that tried to make the problem more complex artificially. On the other hand, a certain amount of breadth is useful for canonicals, as long as it forms a coherent whole. — Karl Knechtel 59 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Karl Knechtel
"You didn't link it, so I can't tell." I did, in fact, it's just hidden. It's stackoverflow.com/questions/72829866. — Karl Knechtel 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Karl Knechtel
"an old post with an engaged asker"? There is such a thing? — Karl Knechtel 7 secs ago
 
9:14 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Steve Moretz
Well you can't also follow your own answer :) — Steve Moretz 40 secs ago
 
 
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10:25 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Mario Trucco
Thanks @ArchitGargi. Please see the note after bold text: I am familiar with audits, but normally they check if you are paying attention. So the audit said that I failed to identify the post as spam, and I want to understand why: the post is actually not spam. — Mario Trucco 49 secs ago
 
11:15 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Paolo
So is this thing staying?! — Paolo 29 secs ago
 
11:50 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by nbk
As you can add multiple answer to a question, the message helps greatly when the a so many answer, that you missed yours altogether — nbk 46 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tom
I know what your answer currently is, but that doesn't explain why you can't fix that post. — Tom 31 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Security Hound
If you know your answer is bad, why don't you just fix that answer, and request it be undeleted? — Security Hound 25 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Security Hound
You have to remember that Stack Overflow isn't your personal debugging tool. You said it wasn't working, but you failed to indicate, which browsers it wasn't working on. I ran the snippet and it worked fine. — Security Hound 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Mark
Why you think I'm using S.O. as personal debugging tool? I just asked a question because I cannot understand something. Otherwise no question should be allowed :-) Anyway, I thought (wrongly) it was not related to a specific browser. I add this information right now if it's important. Thanks for pointing it out. — Mark 23 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dharman
Downvotes don't mean you did something wrong. — Dharman ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Mark
@Dharman urk! interesting. Can you please explain another reason then? — Mark 50 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Security Hound
@Mark - My point was that somebody didn't find your question helpful, doesn't mean you did anything wrong. However, your question isn't as complete as you thought it was in this case. So only the single person who thought your question wasn't helpful could explain the reason or the downvote. — Security Hound 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dharman
Donwvotes might mean that the question is unclear or unhelpful. But in general, you can't know why someone downvoted. It's a measure of content usefulness and how people determine that is up to them. — Dharman ♦ 30 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by CrazyChucky
Answering or even editing a question does put it back on the main page / "top questions", just like asking a new one. — CrazyChucky 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by MisterMiyagi
It would be helpful to spell out just what you actually expected to happen. I assume you wanted the [Now] button to be next to the datetime field. But that's only pieced together – the question is about "a button" and "it", and by exclusion of the "submit button" being something else that only leaves the [Now] button. — MisterMiyagi 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by MisterMiyagi
FWIW, the snippet does not have the intended issue for me in full-page mode. — MisterMiyagi 57 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Larnu
"Can you please explain another reason then?" the tooltip tells you: "This question does not show research effort; it is unclear or not useful." That is all the reasoning you need. — Larnu 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Gunther Schadow
Another idea is: close votes should cost reputation points. — Gunther Schadow 7 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ryan M
@GuntherSchadow I've cast more close votes than I have reputation points. I'm still careful to cast them accurately. Should I really have zero reputation? — Ryan M ♦ 51 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Gunther Schadow
@RyanM, I don't know your side of things, perhaps there are tons of garbage questions that I don't even get to see, perhaps you are one of there obsessive closers. But I look at it from the other side, where exactly what you mentioned in your original question happened over and over. Another one of those often mistaken reasons is this "opinion based". There should be a cost when making false accusations. Closing (anything but spam) should be done reluctantly, not eagerly. — Gunther Schadow 1 min ago
 
12:59 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by blackgreen
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lundin
The original SO design wasn't that different. Boxes with numbers in etc. Far more compact design though. — Lundin 45 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by van dench
If there are a dozen users of a technology and none of them have any rep on SO, then it would be impossible for any reputation to be generated in that tag Reputation is supposed to act as a gateway into higher levels of privileges, under the expectation that users with higher reputation will have better learned to use the site. If a bunch of new users only ask and answer in a small echo chamber with no outside influence of expected Q/A quality, I can imagine their future contributions from the reputation earned could do more harm than good as perceived by the community at large. — van dench 16 secs ago
 
1:29 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Laurel
@vandench But they do have "outside influence" — every post from a new user is supposed to be reviewed by an experienced user (aka someone with 500+ rep who uses the queues). You don't need to understand the technology to review the worst posts: link only answers, requests for resources, etc. But you do need to know the technology to tell the difference between an answer that works and deserves an upvote and one that doesn't. — Laurel 51 secs ago
 
1:57 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by chivracq
"While I can see the old answer due to my reputation", I can also see my deleted Answers with only 0.6k-Rep... (Link to yours) // Ugly Typo in the Title...: "an another"... — chivracq 33 secs ago
 
2:14 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Heretic Monkey
Maybe you're trying to accept an answer on someone else's question? You can only accept answers on your own questions. — Heretic Monkey 24 secs ago
 
3:19 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by zcoop98
I agree with you that it's always best for questions to include the full, exact text of an error– but the OP of this one did include the keywords and gist of the error in both their title and their question body. Whether this truly warrants closure or not is borderline, in my opinion. — zcoop98 35 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by jpmc26
@Cerbrus Calling out intellectually dishonest behavior isn't an insult. Calling it one is another example. — jpmc26 10 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
It's amazing how much toxicity you can hide behind a friendly facade. If you don't intend to insult me, the least you could've done is say so, and rephrase your comment. Instead you double down on the insults. — Cerbrus 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by jpmc26
@Cerbrus "You're behaving badly" is not an insult. It's a call to do better and entails the respect required to believe you can. — jpmc26 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
But that's not what you said, now is it? — Cerbrus 42 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by jpmc26
@Cerbrus All my deleted comment said was that you're behaving in a manner designed to make the debate one sided, by doing your best to ensure that the other party doesn't even know there is something to respond to. Pointing out blatantly wrong behavior doesn't need a bunch of flowery begging to be a call to action; it is implicitly so. — jpmc26 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by mzjn
These tags may also need merging and/or clarification: character-reference, html-escape-characters, entity, entitiesmzjn 51 secs ago
 
4:04 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by NullPointerException
@HenryEcker As of 7/5/2022, If a "good" question is open and has a positive score, 42.5% of users' first questions are good (data.stackexchange.com/stackoverflow/query/1613327), 13.1% in the past week (data.stackexchange.com/stackoverflow/query/1613329) — NullPointerException 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by IMSoP
I believe users can always view and edit their own deleted content. Not posting as an answer, because I'm not entirely sure what the exact flow is for undeleting the answer if it was deleted by someone else, but "answer -> self-delete -> edit -> undelete" is a perfectly reasonable flow in some circumstances, and preferable to having lots of deleted versions of the same answer visible to high-rep users. — IMSoP 1 min ago
 
4:17 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
"you're behaving in a manner designed to make the debate one sided" Pot, meet kettle. If your deleted comment was that innocent, it wouldn't have been deleted. — Cerbrus 58 secs ago
 
4:35 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by jpmc26
@Cerbrus "I abused the moderation system to silence someone pointing out my behavior, and that makes me right," is what you just said. — jpmc26 28 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
Mate, I stopped trying to be nice after that first deleted comment of yours and your doubling down on it. — Cerbrus 1 min ago
 
5:05 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Mark
Thank you all for the downvotes here, just because I asked a clarification. — Mark 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Security Hound
One of the things I often will point out, on those communities I can see delete answers on, is that reposting the same answer after a near identical answer was deleted is often an undesirable outcome. As the author of a deleted answer you should be reviewing and editing that original answer, getting that undeleted, before you submit any additional answers to the question. The first thing I will do as a reviewer is compare it to existing answers, and will point out the fact, any answer that had been deleted that looks similar. Submitting multiple unique answers to the same question is fine. — Security Hound 1 min ago
 
5:34 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Robert Columbia
It's time to clean our [colon]. — Robert Columbia 8 secs ago
 
5:49 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
Again, we don't need to justify the closure. In the current state, it's a typo question. It's that simple. — Cerbrus 16 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by jpmc26
@Cerbrus The key feature of the "typo" close reason is that answers will not be useful to future readers. That doesn't apply here, as I just explained. And in fact, the question arose from generated JSON the user didn't even create themselves, not a typo. So yes, you need to justify why you're using a close reason improperly. — jpmc26 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
Why does this question need to be open? What's the benefit? What is there to gain? — Cerbrus 5 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by jpmc26
@Cerbrus That's backwards. Why does it need to be closed? — jpmc26 17 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
Because it's a typo question. You refuse to justify re-opening because you know there's no benefit to it. — Cerbrus 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by jpmc26
@Cerbrus No, I'm saying that because 1) its not a typo question (a reason you are insisting on applying, not me), 2) the system actually requires a reason to justify closure, not for opening, and 3) because a staff member already recognized the value in the previous discussion. I don't need to regurgitate that entire discussion or the clearly useful content already found in the answers there. — jpmc26 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
Yea we can keep at this with "Nuh-uh!", "Yea-uh!" but we're not gonna agree here. I've said my piece and I'm gonna stop repeating myself. — Cerbrus 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Sourabh Choraria
@AgainPsychoX — just an FYI: I've reported this issue here — stackapps.com/questions/9455/issue-with-javascript-sdkSourabh Choraria 25 secs ago
 
 
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7:19 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Drew Reese
@blackgreen I don't we think can ever assume anyone else on the site knows how to use the site. Best you can do is you. Yes, I suppose my answer does assume some good faith in others curating content, but the point was more about if you, as a SME, see bad tags, to handle it now and not allow the "snowball" to start. — Drew Reese 9 secs ago
 
7:54 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Karl Knechtel
@SecurityHound because the answer I would give today is totally unrelated to the one I gave then. — Karl Knechtel 1 min ago
 
8:07 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Heretic Monkey
I don't see how this "saves space". This design takes up more space than even the new design; it duplicates the number, without giving the use what they want to know, which is the current score, without doing math. On the flip side, adding and subtracting one is easy enough that I don't need the computer to pre-calculate it for me. Finally, a new question's score is increased by one on the first vote, not ten, so the first image is misleading; The post owner's rep goes up by 10 when the up arrow is clicked, not the post score. — Heretic Monkey 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by β.εηοιτ.βε
My own two cents: because I have earned the site analytics privilege just recently, I had a look at all the graphs there recently. And honestly, if you look at the number of accept votes versus up or even downvotes, you'd realise that it is just drop in the ocean, I would say. — β.εηοιτ.βε 41 secs ago
 
9:00 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Braiam
@NullPointerException with the asterisk that the first query has a very heavy survivorship bias. — Braiam 44 secs ago
 
9:12 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by dan1st
I think that badges are recalculated (and can be removed) when multiple accounts are merged. — dan1st 30 secs ago
 
9:25 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ryan M
Well, those edits are obviously bad and we should definitely merge the tags. That said, since we're discussing it...what should the final tag name be? Is the coingecko tag attracting off-topic questions that a -api name would clarify? Should we just use the -api name anyway? Thoughts? — Ryan M ♦ 41 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by JonH
No idea accounts stay alive unless someone requests it. It could be he just doesn’t come on, is dead, or any plethora of other reasons — JonH 47 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TheMaster
@RyanM I think it was Cody who said, Every tag is somehow related to a api one way or another and we shouldn't be adding a api suffix to every tag(I couldn't find that answer/quote now though). I don't think it's necessary to add the suffix. I sampled the questions and none are blatantly offtopic. Even if they are(in the future), adding a -api suffix to a tag would do little, if anything to change that. [coingecko] is the best choice, given current scenario. — TheMaster 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ryan M
Good point. [coingecko] it is. Done. — Ryan M ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user4581301
 
10:42 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Hovercraft Full Of Eels
I wonder who put a bounty on that? — Hovercraft Full Of Eels 39 secs ago
 
10:59 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by ad absurdum
I don't know about this "no downvotes" criterion; I've seen plenty of good questions with one or more downvotes. — ad absurdum 38 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user4581301
William Bligh, master and commander of the Bounty? — user4581301 25 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by ad absurdum
I don't know about this "no downvotes" criterion; I've seen plenty of good questions with one or more downvotes. — ad absurdum 33 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Henry Ecker
The bounty is almost over and I know that some moderators are disinclined to cancel bounties which are almost complete. That said that standard decline reason does not clearly indicate why flagging was not appropriate in this case. That said, I don’t know what your flag text looked like, nor what the mod UI shows. If you just asked for the question to be closed without mentioning the bounty I can see a flag like that being declined with this reason. — Henry Ecker 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by customcommander
@HenryEcker Here's was my justification for it when casting the flag: Without a bounty on it this question would probably have been closed as needing more focus.customcommander 42 secs ago
 
11:20 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Makyen
I don't really see why showing this to you and having you confirm that you want to post a new answer is a problem. You're the human. You get to make the choice. The system just detects that you already have an answer and is asking you about it. How complicated should the check be for if that popup should be shown or not? What criteria exists in the current situation which guarantees that that popup isn't needed? In other words, from a programming POV, what are you saying should be included in the check which has a very high likelihood of indicating the popup isn't needed 100% of the time? — Makyen ♦ 19 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Karl Knechtel
I just found it irritating, but I see the room to disagree with that. — Karl Knechtel 46 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Karl Knechtel
The common case, IMX, is that the person asking thinks the question is "how do I do Z?", but people who know how to do Z recognize that Z consists of clear, distinct steps X and Y, both of which are well-covered by canonicals. However, that doesn't seem to apply to the example discussed here. — Karl Knechtel 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Makyen
Note that just the fact that your answer is deleted isn't sufficient, as there are times, probably even most times, that popup should be shown when a user is wanting to post a new answer, but already have a deleted answer. Your answer was deleted by a moderator and converted to a comment. I'm not sure if that would tend to indicate that the popup is needed more, or less often. Yes, in this instance, you didn't need that popup, but how could the system actually know that it shouldn't show that popup? — Makyen ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Makyen
I'm not trying to be derogatory or saying that nothing should be changed. At a minimum, the text in the popup could certainly use some work. It's just that nothing can be changed with respect to not sowing the popup, unless the criteria which should prevent that popup being shown can be determined (i.e. that information is needed in order to make any change). — Makyen ♦ 23 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by customcommander
To be honest I didn't pay attention to the expiry date of the bounty. My bad; makes sense. But for the record I didn't want anything else other than just the closing of the question. It's obviously a bad one and if the user loses their bounty in full because of that then so be it. — customcommander 28 secs ago
 
11:40 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Karl Knechtel
Aside from baggage, one possible reason not to use existing questions for a canonical is that there simply isn't a clear choice. Sometimes the question is frequently asked and answered, but it's always asked very poorly and a lot of the answers are also poor. Sometimes there are three distinct, good ways to answer the question, and the representative answers are on different questions. And sometimes you just tear your hair out trying to do the search. — Karl Knechtel 12 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Karl Knechtel
"improve a currently active question" - this seems typically impossible, because the questions that most desperately need canonicals are ones that arise out of a pattern in what people with low-quality debugging requests are getting wrong, but every such question carries tons of context that can't be properly trimmed away without changing the meaning (to OP). — Karl Knechtel 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Karl Knechtel
"If your question doesn't have a MCVE, then it's probably not as good as it could be." Many of the site's most important canonical targets lack code entirely, because they are basic reference "how do I do X?" questions where X can be understood without any context. — Karl Knechtel 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Slate
(Translations not out for international sites. I'll delete this comment when those are done.) — Slate ♦ 51 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by 41686d6564 stands w. Palestine
Out of curiosity, do mods not have the ability to close a bountied question without refunding the bounty (i.e., cancel it)? — 41686d6564 stands w. Palestine 28 secs ago
 

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