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5:02 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Oleg Valter is with Ukraine
Yes, @Braiam, we need a tag for alignment, not a single position. Since the tag is used for that at least half of the time, it makes sense to make it exactly about that. Granted, we already have alignment (which probably should've been split into horizontal-alignment which does exist and vertical-alignment - which does exist). — Oleg Valter is with Ukraine 48 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
it'd be easier to just install an extension that makes audits obvious — Kevin B 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Henry Ecker
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Alexei Levenkov
@zcoop98 edited/re-opened. I've removed disputed/specific tags as it does not look like OP have questions about that part (pitamer - if you think it was not clear why that post was "too good" I'd suggest to ask separate question) — Alexei Levenkov 57 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user4581301
When reviewing I always check the original question if I have any hint of bad feels about the post or just got paranoid because it had been a while between audits. That happened often enough that I pretty much stopped reviewing. Too time consuming. — user4581301 43 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user4581301
And people keep telling me that Delphi is dead so I should stop using/supporting it. — user4581301 just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Alexei Levenkov
There is some constant confusion about "feature-request" - most people consider it to be "petition for a feature" (self-selecting supporters) when it actually "request for comments for a feature"... Not really sure if there some way to clarify this :( — Alexei Levenkov 17 secs ago
 
5:35 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Michael
@AndrasDeak--СлаваУкраїні Nah. The Welcoming tried and failed to change people's perception because they incorrectly assumed the negative experience was caused primarily by the community. The public perception is that Stack Overflow is full of assholes. It's not, though of course there are a few. The system frustrates people. Having your question downvoted and closed feels bad, but those are the primary tools we have to moderate the site. It's not an easy problem to solve, short of "welcoming" a tidal wave of garbage. — Michael 1 min ago
 
6:05 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Braiam
@OlegValteriswithUkraine and yet, all of those depend on which tech you are using. Even if you are using GTK+3, their CSS flavor is different than plain old CSS, what happens when you are using Qt, etc. Tags on SO has to be on topic by themselves. Those tags doesn't meet the minimum standard. — Braiam 5 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Braiam
"I'd be surprised if anyone would actually defend this tag given an opportunity" are you surprised yet?Braiam 56 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Oleg Valter is with Ukraine
Don't put the words I did not say in my mouth, please, @Braiam. — Oleg Valter is with Ukraine 5 secs ago
 
6:25 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Braiam
@OlegValteriswithUkraine I'm not putting words in your mouth, I'm telling you that you are defending a tag that "doesn't uniquely identify a specific programming topic in the least", the kind of tag that would surprise EJoshua if anyone defend em. So, if you don't want to say those things, that's easy task: don't say them. Because anyone that reads you will read "I, Oleg, want tags for stuff that is not programming" — Braiam 27 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Oleg Valter is with Ukraine
@Braiam if you think alignment is not a programming problem, I have nothing more to say to you, frankly. — Oleg Valter is with Ukraine 5 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TylerH
@OlegValteriswithUkraine the specific verbiage is "If you have authoritative(a) knowledge of all technologies relevant to the tag" (meaning not authoritative knowledge of the technology of the tag itself) And the (a) footnote explains "(for example, if you have a c# bronze tag we expect you to know if c#-9.0 should be burned, or if you are a follower of a specific tag that constantly get mistagged with a bad tag)." In other words, the tag there that is being burninated is c#-9.0, not c#. You need not have a bronze badge in the tag being burninated... just a related one — TylerH 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zoe stands with Ukraine
Geth feels like a prime target for "get" typos/fat fingering; I'd prefer the full name here — Zoe stands with Ukraine ♦ 53 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TylerH
@ZoestandswithUkraine Agreed; not to mention "geth" could potentially be used by another language for something someday, whereas "go-ethereum" is... almost certainly never going to run into a conflict. — TylerH 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Karl Knechtel
@MarkRotteveel I get that, but quality is low almost everywhere that a useful contribution could be made - that's why help is needed. Someone who hangs out in the high-quality parts of the site is someone who primarily uses the site for reference and also has a fair bit of good luck with search engines. — Karl Knechtel 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Andrew T.
I did a very rough & quick check, and surprisingly, I didn't find any mistagging related to "geth" (or possibly, it was maintained really well). No preference from me. — Andrew T. 55 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zoe stands with Ukraine
We generally don't feature when the threshold is hit. That entire thing is an old, legacy policy we don't do anymore in practice. We don't have enough slots to feature everything anyway. This tag is in the line for featuring and we'll get to it eventually. Unfortunately, it's a strict process, and that means there's delays on formalities. I'll probably look into changing bits of it at some point, but that's not going to happen very soon (and no guarantees either) — Zoe stands with Ukraine ♦ 57 secs ago
 
7:02 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Braiam
@OlegValteriswithUkraine it's not a programming problem. It's a visualization problem. One that would also have anyone that deals with visualization: document design, art (paint, architecture, etc.), engineering (building structures), and programming yes. Yet, no one will open a "alignment" and be able to answer it. They would be able to answer a CSS question, a GTK+ question, a Latex question, etc. Those do merit a tag, those a programming topics. If that concept is alien to you, maybe you are the one that is totally lost here. — Braiam 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Oleg Valter is with Ukraine
@Braiam if the concept of alignment being a valid and hard problem in CSS that has nothing to do with visualization and everything to do with complex sets of rules is an alien one to you, I am pretty sure I know who is the lost one. — Oleg Valter is with Ukraine 14 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
Hitting the threshold (20 score) is the minimum standard for featuring. If you can't even get 20 users on Meta to agree with your burnination proposal, then it doesn't get considered for consideration (and, in fact, is subject to being marked declined, but won't necessarily be, depending on the judgment of moderators). However, hitting the 20 score minimum doesn't immediately get the question featured, due to practical limitations. The backlog for burnination requests is long. — Cody Gray ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Braiam
@OlegValteriswithUkraine and the CSS tag is enough to put youself on touch with the experts that are able to answer your question. If your question is answered just because you added [css] to your question, what else you need? — Braiam 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Braiam
@ZoestandswithUkraine "Unfortunately, it's a strict process", no, it's not unfortunate. It's unfortunate that we don't change that to be less strict. Maybe that's what it's needed. — Braiam 30 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Robert Harvey
This isn't going to help. Argue for more relaxed restrictions, but don't indict the mods. They have a hard job and must balance conflicting priorities. — Robert Harvey 44 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Makyen
The most recent case of your objections was regarding not wanting to follow the rules and procedures for tag burnination. The requirement that there be rules for burnination and that the rules must be followed, is a Stack Exchange Company imposed requirement. There is no arguing about that one. You could create a meta post to discuss and try to revise the rules, but unilaterally choosing not to follow the existing burnination rules is something which Stack Exchange, the company, has said is unacceptable. — Makyen ♦ 9 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Robert Harvey
As an aside, I think burnination requests should be the port of last resort. If I see a bad tag and it's not on a hundred questions, I just quietly remove it. And we wouldn't need burninations in the first place if the community stopped allowing these things to grow to hundreds of questions. — Robert Harvey 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by cocomac
Is is possible to get approval for burnination if I hit, say, 50 upvotes? Or some other threshold, even if I don’t get featured? I’ve already gotten Hot Meta Post, so would that and 50 upvotes be enough…? — cocomac 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Robert Harvey
As an aside, I think burnination requests should be a last resort. If I see a bad tag and it's not on too many questions to make removal onerous, I just quietly remove it. We wouldn't need burninations in the first place if the community stopped allowing bad tags to grow to hundreds of questions. — Robert Harvey 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Oleg Valter is with Ukraine
@cocomac your post fulfilled the criterion for being featured already, there is nothing else that should additionally be done, it's just a matter of time - however, due to the backlog, it is unlikely to be the first one in the queue. — Oleg Valter is with Ukraine 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Makyen
@cocomac Why is your burnination request of this particular tag more important than the > 500 other tag burnination requests which have been waiting way longer than this request? What makes removal of this tag an emergency that should take priority over everything else? — Makyen ♦ 8 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Andy
"The system is operating as designed/intended.": back in 2015. — Andy 8 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Robert Harvey
So instead of attempting to clarify with the community what would be considered "productive" work with respect to tag removals, the SE staff simply increased the friction to the point where most tag removals became too onerous to bother with. — Robert Harvey 15 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Oleg Valter is with Ukraine
Experts need to be able not to slog through miriads of unrelated stuff when they want to only see problems about specific programming problems, @Braiam. Which includes alignment. What you try to constantly push just worsens the filterability for everyone, not improves it. — Oleg Valter is with Ukraine 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Braiam
"they are rules set by CMs" where? I can, and I think you know, read the revisions of those post. None of them, zero, were written by staff. Unless you are including the moderator team on such category. None of the post I've alluded to. So, no, I don't think you are applying rules, but interpreting guidelines as you collectively like. And if CM's are issuing such guidance in private, then it's your job to tell them how those things... — Braiam 40 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Braiam
are implemented, in meta, with a public discussion. — Braiam 32 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Braiam
@RobertHarvey I think you really need to read the revision history, since right now, blaming CM's seems to be trowing them under the bus. — Braiam 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Braiam
@RobertHarvey they need to be indicted if they can't balance themselves. I'm sure that you were recommended to walk away when you are over-burned. Heck, I remember a comment were some moderators were conversing with a CM about removing cynicism from seeing so much crap every day. I argued at some point that moderators should have mandated vacations and incorporate more moderators instead. — Braiam 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Andrew T.
I didn't notice this answer was posted, so props for that. I gave up when trying to compile a possible list of retagging targets after noticing multiple android- and flutter- tags related to "bottom" ... — Andrew T. 28 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Braiam
@Makyen "Stack Exchange Company imposed requirement", care to point out exactly the post where they did? Bluefeet only say "discuss burninations on meta", Shog says "consider these criteria before burninate". No one from SE added in the 50 questions, nor Shog said one of these conditions must apply (he said that a good tag should meet the four criteria), so if you are seeing a requirement by SE, I, personally, can't see it. — Braiam 56 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zoe stands with Ukraine
it'll be processed when we get to it. There's no magical threshold that bumps any given burnination to the top of the list. While I understand that you'd like to see it removed soon, we don't have the throughput for that. More people contributing to burnination in general would help us get through more tags though, and consequently get to this tag faster — Zoe stands with Ukraine ♦ 24 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Braiam
So, up until now only SO moderators imposed requirements have been applied: the 50 questions tagged was added in by Bhargav Rao while he was moderator which rene introduced as a ballpark. The "must fail all" was also introduced by Bhargav Rao. Notably, the lack of CM's there. I could also dig the other two posts, and I'm sure I would find Undo on the NAA's, ... [\cont] — Braiam 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Braiam
Cody and you on editing questions and answers, and the ENTIRE TEAM on comments informing users how the site work. — Braiam 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
eh, well, it's still a How do i do X question. What makes it low quality isn't it missing an attempt; rather, what makes a question low quality is not having the information necessary to provide an answer. If it is incorrectly tagged, edit it. — Kevin B 51 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Karl Knechtel
IMX, it is very easy for question-askers to believe that an answer is helpful to them when it actually isn't, and this strongly correlates with asking low quality questions in the first place. Some people don't think clearly about what they are doing; so of course if they get a piece of code and copy and paste it somewhere and the program output seems to get closer to the mark at least initially, of course that "helped". — Karl Knechtel 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Makyen
@Braiam You've been opposing this since at least 2017. Nothing has really changed since Taryn posted "a friendly reminder that we have a process to do this and that it should be followed." That you're choosing not to understand this is your choice. If you want to point out specific changes to the wording in the burnination process post since 2017-09-22 which you feel violate the intent expressed by Taryn or the intent behind the burnination process, you're welcome to do so, but the burden is on you. — Makyen ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
In what way does "effort" improve the quality of Q&A as a resource for future viewers? Can you elaborate on that? Yes, questions that don't ask a question and questions that are unclear should be closed, and we should do a better job of giving advice to prospective askers, but your title suggests something I'm uncomfortable with. — Cody Gray ♦ 28 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Karl Knechtel
It's a How do I do Y question, which is the problem - the X part has been done. The question lacks an MRE, only in the sense that you'd have to run the code to get the input to the Y part (output from the X part) instead of it being hard-coded. But in the typical case, there isn't a way to answer "how do I do Y" that isn't a code dump. My point is that if OP recognized the question as "how do I do Y", it would be possible to iterate the How to Ask advice, but that advice lacks an explanation of how to peel X away. — Karl Knechtel 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
Right, so, remove the part that isn't relevant for them. The answer needing to be a code dump doesn't invalidate teh question. — Kevin B 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Karl Knechtel
The problem is that the part to remove is tangled in a way where I can't just edit because there are blanks that OP would have to fill in. In some cases, I might replace the entire question with effectively "how do I do Y?", using some skeleton explanation of the presumed input to the Y part, but that seems almost malicious. Maybe that's really all that's available, though. I really feel more and more like the underlying problem is the presumption that asking a question is about helping the OP in some way. — Karl Knechtel 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Karl Knechtel
"The answer needing to be a code dump doesn't invalidate teh question." I'm not quite sure I follow here. I'm trying to wave in the general direction of meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/334822 ; dumping the code for Y could land OP afoul of a policy on plagiarism, even though it's only part of the task that was set. — Karl Knechtel 10 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Karl Knechtel
Is there anywhere else we can get people to improve their questions? Like, the only concrete proposal I think I have is for How to Ask to say certain things that it currently doesn't. Is everyone else really this nihilistic about the possibility of bad-question-askers ever becoming good-question-askers? — Karl Knechtel 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Makoto
It's not nihilism, @KarlKnechtel. It's reality. If people wanted to ask better questions, we wouldn't get so much vitriol from them when we moderate their content. Those that do want to improve don't really require this kind of outreach. They actually show up around Meta of all places and ask for constructive criticism. Those that need this kind of outreach are the ones who - from past experience - won't really agree with our approach. — Makoto 33 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Karl Knechtel
I feel like people aren't reading this to the end. This is not about how I should approach a low quality question meeting this pattern, in isolation. That's why I made a clearly labelled "background" section at the top of the post, to give context. This is about how we, as a site, might prevent the pattern from being so common. — Karl Knechtel 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Makoto
@KarlKnechtel: Maybe if we had a quota of questions per day on the site - like 1,000 - then the pattern would be a whole lot less common. But that sounds impractical in practice and would be a bit heavy handed. — Makoto 26 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Karl Knechtel
Sometimes I feel like I'm the only person on the entire site who wants the site to be better and also actually believes it's possible. — Karl Knechtel 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Karl Knechtel
 
 
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10:36 PM
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[ Boson ] New comment posted by Alexei Levenkov
@KarlKnechtel yehhh... that "and also..." part singles you out :) — Alexei Levenkov 2 hours ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Karl Knechtel
To be clear: the rationale "this question is unlikely to help any future visitors" covers more than just requests for a code dump - and I think I'm fine with that. The best case outcome for typical requests for debugging help - even after the question is edited into its best possible form, with an MRE and everything - is that people can start to notice a pattern in how people mess up the code or fail to debug something. At that point there's a chance for a canonical to arise from the ashes. It's relatively rare that the underlying cause is directly applicable for many people. — Karl Knechtel 2 hours ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Makoto
I'll offer you some silver lining then @KarlKnechtel. I too want the site to be better. Under the current culture of how Stack Overflow is viewed by leadership, I do not believe it is possible. — Makoto 2 hours ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Karl Knechtel
If I wanted to propose explicit changes to the How to Ask page, is there precedent for that? How specific would I have to be? Down to the level of writing copy (and suggesting where to insert it) myself, or...? — Karl Knechtel 2 hours ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user4581301
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Karl Knechtel
@AndrewT. It isn't clear in the other question that the problem results from new questions being inserted into the search; but based on an examination of the provided evidence, it seems like that must be what is actually going on. So I guess this is in fact a duplicate. — Karl Knechtel 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Karl Knechtel
I've been noticing a pattern where every time I come to Meta I discover even more examples of people discussing ways to improve the overall quality of the site content, coming up with some good ideas, and then nothing being done. I keep noticing that these questions/discussions appeared primarily in 2014/2015. It becomes more and more depressing as the years roll by. — Karl Knechtel 1 min ago
 
11:32 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Braiam
@cocomac "someone suggested that we just get rid of the tag without following official policy" and I want to know who did that, because I didn't. — Braiam 11 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Andrew T.
@Braiam chat.stackoverflow.com/… (read from bottom to top) — Andrew T. 33 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Karl Knechtel
I think I did in the title, and I think that's why the question was so poorly received. — Karl Knechtel 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
Yes, that was the point of my original comment... The phrasing of the title was something I had objections to, even though I don't really see any issues with the main content of the post. I was hoping to head that off earlier. — Cody Gray ♦ 25 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Karl Knechtel
I'd like to try to re-title the question after I've had some rest. There's an issue I have with the concept, though. Problem-solving effort often actually entails definition effort, because the first step to solving a problem is figuring out what needs to be done. That "what" typically boils down to a sequence of steps, each of which can be evaluated for "can I already write code for this?" For each question where the answer was "no", and where the process couldn't obviously/neatly be applied recursively, a separate candidate question has been defined. — Karl Knechtel 51 secs ago
 
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