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12:10 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
I think we should just remove it entirely. — Cody Gray ♦ 13 secs ago
 
 
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1:39 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Oleg Valter is with Ukraine
@Andrei if it sits well with you, I think so - it will likely get support. For instance, I too would like to see it gone, nothing good comes from this guidance as users tend lash out on downvoters who dare to try to help them out along the way, unfortunate as it is. — Oleg Valter is with Ukraine 1 min ago
 
 
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2:55 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user4581301
Worse, they lash out at the commenters. I've gotten some pretty good shellackings from misguided folks after trying to explain what I believed got their precious and perfect post a downvote. — user4581301 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user4581301
Sidenote: If you're going to comment and downvote, comment first. No point to downvoting, getting part-way through the explanation and wasting the effort because the asker deletes the post rather than making what could have been a trivial fix. — user4581301 1 min ago
 
 
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4:34 AM
Error while calling API: Read timed out
 
 
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6:15 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ryan M
It does say "Please consider"...feedback can be helpful, and in the majority of cases, it's well-received. Unfortunately, it's the few bad apples who respond poorly that have ruined it for everyone else. — Ryan M ♦ 45 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by S. Dre
Is the thanks/hi an official thing or a community opinion? @PeterMortensen I personally don't mind those, I think it makes some posts less robotic. — S. Dre 54 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tomerikoo
@nbk ok I don't have a problem with people posting answers when the question is not clear. I might not agree with it, but there is nothing we can do to stop it and I can understand your approach. My problem presented here was that the user asked for clarifications inside the answer (they had enough rep to comment), not the fact that they answered (sorry if that wasn't clear in my post) — Tomerikoo 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ryan M
No, it is not possible. — Ryan M ♦ 27 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user3103982
@RyanM Post it as answer so I can accept — user3103982 58 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
Feedback can, indeed, be helpful, but it shouldn't be in any way connected to votes, and the message is doing a disservice by implying that there should be a relationship. — Cody Gray ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by S. Dre
@psubsee2003 one thing I've realised is, as SE is a community driven moderation, sometimes is implied or it seems to be implied that you should pursue your opinion in the matter, as you are part of that moderation. I haven't seen anywhere a clear statement that anyone is forced to follow the majority's opinion in these cases. — S. Dre 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Oleg Valter is with Ukraine
Yes, it is official, @S.Dre. There is nothing robotic about posts without salutations, greetings, etc - those are just useless noise. — Oleg Valter is with Ukraine 15 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by S. Dre
I don't think some people actually believe this. Some people state that they want the community to be "akin to an encyclopedia" (which will have no friendliness neither the opposite). I personally do not think that this is something to pursue, since this is NOT an encyclopedia per se. It can still achieve the status of a knowledge hub (if it hasn't already) while allowing these kind of "friendliness" since, opposite to encyclopedias, you ARE interacting with a human directly. — S. Dre 9 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by S. Dre
@OlegValteriswithUkraine Then I'll follow even if I don't agree with it. — S. Dre 43 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by S. Dre
@RyanM correct me if I am wrong, but I think that if others have spent time, you directly cannot delete it. I had this message pop up before. — S. Dre 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ryan M
@S.Dre Mostly true. If you have a single, non-upvoted answer on a question, you can delete the question (but abuse of this can be mod-flagged). — Ryan M ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by S. Dre
So the solution we have reached is to downvote without giving any explanation because bad users release their anger against us? I don't think this is a solution but rather a poor patch. — S. Dre 45 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by S. Dre
I think that explaining a downvote helps a lot when you try to improve your participation in this community. If some users lash out against downvoters, maybe those are users we simply don't want here. As we say in spain, this makes the righteous pay the for sinnersS. Dre 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by S. Dre
I think that explaining a downvote helps a lot when you try to improve your participation in this community. If some users lash out against downvoters, maybe those are users we simply don't want here and the solution goes through getting rid of them. As we say in Spain, this makes the righteous pay for the sinners. — S. Dre 17 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by bad_coder
The most interesting proposal in this thread yet. — bad_coder 1 min ago
 
7:15 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Bender the Greatest
I think this makes tag creation too cumbersome, and risks not being able to keep up with new tech as it becomes available. Niche-yet-on-topic tags would never survive beyond creation with the proposed usage requirements. We don't want to limit the number of tags for the sake of it; we want to remove irrelevant and off-topic tags as well prevent those from gaining traction in the first place, but we need to avoid crippling on topic tags in doing so. — Bender the Greatest 56 secs ago
 
7:42 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
Do you feel that explaining an upvote also helps a lot, @S.Dre? How do you know what, specifically, to keep doing, unless someone explains their upvote? The point is that feedback is useful. Votes are not meant to be feedback to the poster (although they are feedback to others, in that they rank the accuracy, usefulness, and interestingness of the post); if someone wants to leave feedback for the author of a post, they can and will post a comment. — Cody Gray ♦ 47 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
While correct, I find the wording of Ryan's comment to be a bit confusing. Maybe others will, too, so I'll try to explain differently. The author of a question is allowed to delete their own question unless that question has either: (A) an accepted answer, (B) an upvoted answer, or (C) multiple answers. Constraint A is within the control of the asker, as they can simply unaccept the answer and then delete the question. Neither constraints B nor C are in control of the asker, so they are the practical limits that people run into. — Cody Gray ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
These conditions/constraints are all covered in the canonical FAQ on the global Meta. What Ryan was also saying was that users who delete a question with a good answer that simply hasn't existed long enough to have been upvoted are doing a disservice to the site at large, and, thus, that you can flag such Q&A for moderator attention, requesting that we undelete the question to make the answer visible again. The system has a loophole in that for a limited time after the posting of an answer until it receives an upvote, it doesn't know the answer is good. — Cody Gray ♦ 1 min ago
 
8:35 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by S. Dre
In general, an upvote is issued when the question is good as it is. I think you can basically take from them that it is useful etc. — S. Dre 23 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by gnat
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Absinthe
+1 for using the word "nascence" in a sentence ;) — Absinthe 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by S. Dre
In fact, I have indeed seen people commenting on an upvote when they are surprised by a nice behaviour or code practice etc. enough to comment on it. — S. Dre 33 secs ago
 
9:07 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by bad_coder
@CodyGray ah, I did say: "Cody was proven wrong all along the line" (that's in the singular and thus outside all of the remaining prose). But I just saw you twisting and misrepresenting what so many people said (plus the gaslighting) it's obvious you do it on purpose. — bad_coder 1 min ago
 
9:55 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Greedo
@TylerH What I mean to say is that [vba]+[64-bit] or [vba]+[32-bit] are not sufficient to replace [vba7] and [vba6] respectively: There is not a 1:1 correspondence (VBA7 questions may be about targeting 32-bit and vice-versa), and also the language change did more than just affect things to do with bitness (which is why #If VBA7 and #If WIN64 mean different things). Re unanswered questions; lack of answers doesn't mean the tags aren't attracting views and making answers more likely. Also, tags are not just about attracting answers, they also help people with the same question to filter Qus — Greedo 34 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ryan M
Nitpick: tags can't have spaces in the names. You probably want dashes (and lowercase letters). — Ryan M ♦ 21 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Goodies
Thank you, edited the answer — Goodies 17 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ryan M
My 2 cents: don't keep the tag for the geometric figure. It doesn't really add anything and leaves it around for misuse. I generally agree with your other proposals as well. — Ryan M ♦ 5 secs ago
 
10:15 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Goodies
Yes that may be the issue. Disambiguation. I've found all three AND the single [helix] tag, which is used in most cases. — Goodies 52 secs ago
 
11:04 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by 41686d6564 stands w. Palestine
This restriction is applied network-wide. You probably posted a question on another site in the last 90 minutes. — 41686d6564 stands w. Palestine 19 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by 41686d6564 stands w. Palestine
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
The issue in your case is not having a shared IP, but rather that you just asked a question 4 hours ago on TeX.SE. — Cody Gray ♦ 25 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick stands with Ukraine
@41686d6564standsw.Palestine It's 40 minutes on other sites, 90 is SO specific — Nick stands with Ukraine 12 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
My original comment was partially incorrect, @41686d6564; I've edited it now. The issue here is accounts sharing the same IP address that have definitely posted to other SE sites within the last 40 minutes. I actually don't know if that 40-minute network-wide limit changes to 90 minutes on SO. The MSE FAQ that I linked is unclear on that, and I don't care enough to find out. — Cody Gray ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by 41686d6564 stands w. Palestine
@Nick As Cody said, it's unclear in that answer whether the 90-minutes rate works exactly like the 40-minutes one or if it only applies to questions asked on SO. It does say "per site", after all. — 41686d6564 stands w. Palestine just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nagev
From your link, I can see why the question was deleted. My comment is that it all happened too quickly: the downvotes, the closing, and the automatic deletion. I still do not understand what caused such reaction to my question, and can only guess that a few people misundestood my question or mistakenly thought that there was some hidden intention behind it. Anyway, my question aside, I personally think Roomba should give more time for questions to be exposed to a wider audience, perhaps with exceptions. But that's up to Stackoverflow to decide if they want to review the process. — Nagev 39 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Oleg Valter is with Ukraine
@CodyGray yes: "Other per-site limits may apply; e.g. on Stack Overflow, new users can only ask once every 90 minutes." — Oleg Valter is with Ukraine 7 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Andrew T.
Looks like the tags have been split since 2013: helix-3d-toolkit, helix-server, helix-dna-server, though 'helix' was still used for many other meanings. — Andrew T. 11 secs ago
 
11:57 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Braiam
Editing a question that was badly received into another one is never a "rule violation". We want post to be the best they can be. — Braiam 1 min ago
 
12:32 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tom
@Braiam When why don't you edit this question and check you successful you are with your "never a "rule violation""? — Tom 1 min ago
 
12:57 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by MisterMiyagi
This feels like the entirely wrong guidance to me. The very largest bulk of my comments-on-downvoted-content do not result in recipients lashing out or making me a pin cushion; this narrative feels to me as seriously overblown. Rather, knowing that a good deal of downvotes-without-suggestions are because I am seen as a potentially vile and vengeful being is disheartening. This kind of guidance that harms those trying to improve while protecting the actually harmful actors feels extremely toxic. — MisterMiyagi 21 secs ago
 
1:22 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by EJoshuaS - Stand with Ukraine
@Trilarion I agree. It's acceptable to ask someone to accept an answer, but not to accept your answer. — EJoshuaS - Stand with Ukraine 50 secs ago
 
1:39 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by serge
"is displayed, without difference if the filter is, not is not, active" — serge 1 min ago
 
2:00 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
Have you not opened it since November 2021? If not, then the notification is still new to you, and it makes sense for it to be displayed. — Cody Gray ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Larnu
When the message was sent to you, on Nov 2, it had just been updated; the fact you took over 6 months to read it doesn't change that, — Larnu 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Braiam
@Tom because that's the question I want and meant to ask, it's clear and objectively answerable. Also, don't know if you noticed, but my questions are basically lighting rods at this point, for people to pile on. If you want evidence notice that no one suggested a duplicate, the vote breakdown is 3/-10. If it was closed as something, then of course I would. — Braiam 38 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Larnu
Out of interest, if you got an email at the start of last year, that was titled "All our new Book releases in one place!" and you read the email for the first time today would you reply to the email to let them know that the title was misleading, because the books it listed in the email have been out for 17 months and so aren't "new"? — Larnu 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by serge
@CodyGray please read my last sentence — serge 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
I don't know what you mean by "red tag". Tags and badges are a very specific thing on Stack Overflow; this wouldn't be appropriate as either one. Adding special-case code to account for the edge case where someone doesn't log into their account for months seems like a pointless use of developer time, not even considering the maintenance burden, if you ask me. I guess the copy could be changed to "Recent update", as opposed to "Just updated", but this seems like pointless semantics, to be honest. I don't see how this creates confusion or a usability problem. The date is very clearly indicated. — Cody Gray ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by serge
@CodyGray "I don't know what you mean by "red tag" - please see the updated OP — serge 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
Oh, you mean that you want a red background for the text "Just updated"? Yeah, that seems simple enough. How does it help to solve the problem, though? I guess I am just not understanding the thought process very well. — Cody Gray ♦ 55 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by serge
@CodyGray, the idea is not only the red background, the idea is that the tag is temporary, and would disappear after a delta of time, as I wrote it — serge 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Goodies
Yes, that is why I put the note and changed the title. Initially, I assumed these extra tags did not exist. I have edited again to make it more clear. — Goodies 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by serge
I edited the OP as a proposal/feature idea — serge 41 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by serge
@CodyGray, as for your first comment "Have you not opened it?" I would say, there is nothing to "open": the two sentences are self explanatory, I understood that there is a MS Teams integration, why should I click on it when everything is already clearly stated in the text? — serge 41 secs ago
 
3:14 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by cigien
Puns are customary for tag related questions on MSO. Perhaps something like: "Let's straighten out the [helix]"? — cigien 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
It's always full because pushing things into the queue is a source of rep, while getting things out of it isn't. — Kevin B 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Makoto
 
3:52 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by DavidPostill
Why don't you try it and see what happens? — DavidPostill 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by MisterMiyagi
@Makoto I'm well aware that comments can be received negatively, but I think there's an important difference between comments thus being not required versus not recommended. Considering to add a comment still leaves room to decide against it. — MisterMiyagi 24 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Makoto
@MisterMiyagi: The system is making a suggestion to us that the community is actively discouraging. That's really the long and the short of it, and I believe that the system needs to get on the same page with the community here. Otherwise, you'll get someone just commenting with whatever they can get out of slamming their palm on the keyboard to pacify this message. — Makoto 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Larnu
The fact that you have 100 reputation doesn't mean you are immune to downvotes, having your question closed as a duplicate, or exempt from needing to research your question before you ask.. — Larnu 45 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dharman
It's well explained in the help section meta.stackexchange.com/help/asking-rate-limitedDharman ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Emile Couzin
@Larnu You missed my point: I don't care about the downvote. The problem is the punishment. — Emile Couzin 55 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Larnu
Side note, please don't post images of messages; you can easily put the above text into a quote block and then those of us with bad eyesight can read the text too. — Larnu 38 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Larnu
"The problem is the punishment." then next time spend a couple more minutes researching so you find those duplicates; and then you don't need to post a question and don't get "punished". — Larnu 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dharman
I don't know if it's a punishment. It's just a rate limit to prevent abuse. Why can't you wait 1 day and ask it tomorrow? — Dharman ♦ 56 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Emile Couzin
I can, but I'm slowed down and the day after tomorrow my problem needs to be sorted out — Emile Couzin 50 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Emile Couzin
@Dharman I read the section, I understand it better. Please excuse me if I got angry, I've been working the entire day. — Emile Couzin 25 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by MisterMiyagi
@Makoto "that the community is actively discouraging" I disagree with that assessment. "you don't have to" and "you should not" are completely different things. As far as I can tell, expecting a comment is discourage but not leaving a comment. "you'll get someone just commenting with whatever they can get out of slamming their palm on the keyboard to pacify this message." I also disagree with that. It's no problem at all to mentally dismiss the message, especially if one considers to leave a comment and still decides against it. — MisterMiyagi 53 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Andrew T.
"the day after tomorrow my problem needs to be sorted out" well, SO doesn't work well for time-critical issues. — Andrew T. 17 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
There are certainly dozens of meta posts where users falsely believed that popup was telling them commenting was necessary after downvoting, and using that as a basis for complaining about people not following it. — Kevin B 17 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Larnu
If you are desperately in need for solutions, @EmileCouzin , then you need to hire or pay someone to do the work; Stack Overflow isn't a free consultancy service — Larnu 31 secs ago
 
4:52 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by gnat
 
5:05 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Braiam
"That's technically a rule violation" why are you deleting my comment telling you that that's not a rule violation, and not only that, it's worse, since such a "rule" would go against the principle that everything can be improved on the site, up to and including your own post? There's no rule violation in any action of the user, technical or not. — Braiam 19 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Braiam
In the Articles definition, is that an either/or for the bullets points? — Braiam 41 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Braiam
On the bulletin, maybe add an option to make the bulletin to be not public anymore after a set amount of time and that time can't be more than 30 days/1 month and minimum 3 days. That will make sure that the author is aware that the content isn't evergreen. — Braiam 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Berthold
@Braiam That's a great question. I don't think the items are mutually exclusive, so I'd say "either" (or perhaps "should be at least one of these"). — Berthold ♦ 47 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by chivracq
The lack of Comments doesn't look very "handy" to me..., if this current Post was a Bulletin, I wouldn't have been able to mention that you have a Typo in "Information about about conferences... — chivracq 8 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Braiam
@chivracq I expect that those posts are freely editable by collective members, but maybe Berthold knows something else. — Braiam 28 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Berthold
Since Bulletins are messages specifically from the organization associated with the Collective, only admins can publish and edit them. — Berthold ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Makoto
I'm sure there's some justification being made here for making non-knowledge content a first class citizen of a knowledge repository, but I don't know if it's worth inquiring about. — Makoto 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Braiam
@Makoto it's a company blog post, without being the company blog post. Companies already wanted a venue to share news, I say let them, but also remove them once it is not "news" anymore. — Braiam 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Makoto
@Braiam: But they have their own sites to do this from, which is kind of what I'd expect some company like Intel to do when announcing this. They'd likely cross-post between here and their own blog which would mean that Stack Overflow still has non-knowledge content on their site. Like I said, there's a justification hidden somewhere, but I can't be bothered to dig around for it. — Makoto 8 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Berthold
@Makoto I do want to point out that Bulletins "will not appear in search results", "are disconnected from reputation" and "will not appear on tag pages", so it sounds like second-class citizenry at best (no offense meant to any Bulletins who may read this). We've crafted the guidelines to help admins avoid simply cross-posting from standard marketing channels and company blogs; that's the "relevant" part. — Berthold ♦ 44 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Berthold
We'll be incorporating flagging and the diamond moderation tools into Collective Articles and Bulletins. Any user-generated content needs to be able to be flagged and moderated. At the moment, CMs have the ability to delete Bulletins (and Articles) if needed. — Berthold ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Berthold
@Braiam Re: expiration/evergreeness, archived posts will still be public, but are hidden behind the “archived” filter. The Bulletins tab in Collectives is filtered to "active" by default. A viewer needs to choose the “archived” filter in order to view archived Bulletins. Archived Bulletins also have a specific icon displayed next to them, and cannot be pinned. — Berthold ♦ 28 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
So, effectively this is a place for marketing content that will only exist within the collective area, nowhere else? — Kevin B 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zev Spitz
1) Your third link is arguably off-topic on StackOverflow, as it relates more to the history of VBA and VB6, rather than any specific concrete issue. 2) You yourself have written 171 posts with the vba tag, but only two with either vb6 or vb7. If someone is trying to find a question about a specific VBA6/7 compatibility issue, I think it better to rely on keyword search to find them, under the broarder vba tag. — Zev Spitz 15 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Security Hound
"This is very annoying, since I sincerely tried to write my question well, and just because one user thinks my question is not worth it, the site shuts my mouth as if I was a bad question spammer." - To be clear, 3 users have actually downvoted your question. This is likely more connected to a shared ISP rate limitation situation. — Security Hound 34 secs ago
 
6:39 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by John M. Wright
Bulletins will only be display within the Collective's pages. There's a new "Bulletins" tab within a Collective to see all the entries, and a Collective can "pin" up to 2 bulletins to display on the Overview tab of the Collective. There's also a side-bar widget that shows recent bulletins and is displayed within the Collective pages. — John M. Wright ♦ 25 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Berthold
Apologies about the non-displaying images! That was my error (they displayed for me but no one else). As you'll see, they are images of the creation interface and published state for a Bulletin. Thank you for remarking on it. — Berthold ♦ 1 min ago
 
6:52 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zoe stands with Ukraine
When did moderation become so insignificant that elementary tools became second-class citizens themselves? — Zoe stands with Ukraine ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
i'd say... approximately 6-8 years ago — Kevin B 51 secs ago
 
7:05 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by ethry
There is a single edit queue, and for an edit to be approved or declined, a lot of people with enough reputation have to vote on it, or a person with enough reputation to choose can just choose. There are too many edits and the edit queue gets too large that it gets full. — ethry 1 min ago
 
7:20 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Shog9
FWIW, I'm 💯 on replacing overwrought rules with better tools: the big problem now (and forever) has been the lack of a clean "undo" - which means poorly thought-out (or half-finished) efforts end up creating a LOT of extra work (that folks are even less motivated to undertake than the original effort). The limited tools available for mass tag ops inevitably destroy (or rewrite) history right now, which is just... Awful. There are logs, but they're incomplete and hard to access (even for the handful of people who HAVE access). It's a mess. — Shog9 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by zcoop98
I'm not sure that "Helix geometry" question should even be open; it's tagged "matlab" but isn't programming focused at all, it's just asking about the math itself. — zcoop98 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Berthold
As your very well-stated remarks detail, if we're going to surface Bulletins to those who are most likely to be interested, it's going to be about finding the right balance. As we learn more about how Bulletins will be used and move forward with the Collectives beta, we may surface Bulletins in other Collective-focused ways, but we are still in the ideation stages. John's comment details where they appear at the moment. — Berthold ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by zcoop98
I don't use VBA, so I really don't have a horse in this race, but could we at minimum clean up the [vba6] tag to make it more useful? It's only got 58 questions, has a duplicate tag excerpt to [vba], and literally exactly half of its questions are also tagged with [vba7], which implies to me that the tag, at the very least, isn't being used well in its current state. — zcoop98 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by nbk
I don't see that so the warning can be ignored, if something's Ng is deprecated you don't get a message — nbk 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Makoto
@Berthold: So it's something that's less useful (from a content perspective) than comments are on Stack Overflow, yet it's being put into a feature that companies pay for. I admit to having an overflowing bias on this, but that honestly feels pretty first-class to me; someone is requesting that you develop this with those limitations, so you...are. — Makoto 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Martin Zeitler
When tagging one gets both options suggested, while one options would be better...while I honestly don't understand "if something's Ng is deprecated". — Martin Zeitler 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
Re "...learns at their own pace": Perhaps the company shouldn't send out such signals. It may set up false expectations. — Peter Mortensen 36 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by nbk
Auto correction modifies the text .i overlooked the changes. I meant when something is deprecated you don't get a message , only an error that there is something wrong — nbk 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
That question may actually be a good signpost (though there are plenty of good search hits even from DuckDuckGo using paragraph comment Octave). — Peter Mortensen 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
You could try taking a break, but it's difficult, if not impossible, to stop recognizing posts in that way once you start. You could choose to look past that fact and help others anyway, choose to continue instead curating content, or... preferably, do both. — Kevin B 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick stands with Ukraine
Why would we merge them? If they're "essentially the same thing", that's what synonyms are for. — Nick stands with Ukraine 47 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zoe stands with Ukraine
Both these seem like meta tags to me anyway. A burn might be in order — Zoe stands with Ukraine ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by khelwood
Channel your feelings constructively by downvoting and closing bad questions, helping to curate the site. — khelwood 26 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
Re "I want to help people who are looking to gain knowledge": You can do that by pointing them to duplicates (in a non-RTFM way). That also very much help the site as search engine hits become much more valuable when the canonical questions are easily found. — Peter Mortensen 11 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ted Klein Bergman
@khelwood Yes, that is what I do. I downvote and flag questions more than answer questions. It just feels like administrative work. And that's where my motivation goes down. — Ted Klein Bergman 32 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick stands with Ukraine
@nbk "I meant when something is deprecated you don't get a message , only an error that there is something wrong" - Not necessarily, while deprecated things may be immediately removed and may be listed as removed due to deprecation (and it will depend on the developer/team and how they convey removals), deprecation is normally a status applied to something prior to (a potential, future) removal, and is warned about rather than an error. — Nick stands with Ukraine 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Martin Zeitler
These kind of warnings are basically a suggestion to upgrade before a future update might break it. It's kind of a meta tag, but a common one to search for, because it's always about API changes, which may cause massive log spam. — Martin Zeitler 7 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ted Klein Bergman
@PeterMortensen Yeah, I know that. I know the correct thing to do; what's more useful. The question is more of what the community seems more useful; is it better to take a time off once in a while, or to comment and flag people's questions on the risk of being toxic. — Ted Klein Bergman 48 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
how is that toxic? — Kevin B 1 min ago
 
8:42 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Makoto
A sidebar - if we're running into a situation where people who can provide this kind of expertise and moderation assistance are starting to burn out and withdraw away from doing so, what could be done to bring them back or help them see this as less of a chore? Like, I get it - the site needs all it can get - but saying "don't leave" to someone in a relationship that's fed up with the state of the relationship without making changes usually doesn't go down too well. — Makoto 33 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Makyen
Your statement "...being punished because of a single strange downvote in my first question" is false. You have prior questions, at least one of which was downvoted. Those questions were on a prior profile/account, which you deleted. Your asking history, from the point of view of rate limits and bans, is not cleared by deleting your account, as is stated in answer to: 'What can I do when getting “We are no longer accepting questions/answers from this account”?'. Deleting your profile only makes it impossible for you to improve those questions. — Makyen ♦ 34 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Undo
Certainly, burnout is its own thing @Makoto. I'm reading this scenario less as classic burnout and more as the bullying from site detractors having its predictable effect. Added some text. — Undo ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TylerH
If you do all of the actions in your post without commentary (e.g. don't leave comments criticizing such users or posts), then it is not really toxic, just... standard curation. — TylerH 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by chivracq
"I prefer to downvote without voting"... (I'll remove my Comment after you've seen it...) — chivracq 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Chayim Friedman
@chivracq You can remove it, but I don't understand what I meant to be. — Chayim Friedman 46 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by chivracq
Oh...!?, don't you mean "without commenting"...? — chivracq 49 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Chayim Friedman
@chivracq But you didn't downvote. — Chayim Friedman 13 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by chivracq
Then OK, sorry, I didn't understand your "I prefer to downvote without voting than to not vote", I thought you meant "I prefer to downvote without commenting than to not vote"... — chivracq 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Security Hound
@Undo - I would agree. Forget about the new users feeling they are being bulled because they asked a question about their homework, without any attempt at performing the task themselves, what is the real problem is that same user bullying other users into feeling bad about closing that question. Community moderation is necessary. Community moderation, is not bullying new users, what happens to the community moderators is indeed bullying.Security Hound 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Chayim Friedman
@chivracq Yes, that was a typo. Fixed. Thanks. — Chayim Friedman 1 min ago
 
10:04 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by richardec
Move on to something else interesting, like downvote 200 NAAs a day. — richardec 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Bender the Greatest
Sidebar: That's a pretty neat project. Technology is incredible!Bender the Greatest 1 min ago
 
10:25 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by CertainPerformance
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Braiam
@Berthold when will they be achieved? When someone decides to push a button or automagically? — Braiam 1 min ago
It's normal to be covered in poo if your job is to scavenge cesspools; just wear protection and wash your hands. And don't ever feed the regex questions after midnight. — Andras Deak -- Слава Україні 53 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by WoJ
Past user research indicates that new users often have difficulty participating on Stack Overflow and perceive participation barriers on the site → not only new users. There are communities so hermetic to basic-mid questions that even 12+ years old users get downvoted, and questions closed without any comments. There should be some training on inclusivity for the mods of these comunities. — WoJ 7 secs ago
 
11:30 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Karl Knechtel
All of this information ought to be much, much more discoverable. I flail around trying to remember how on Earth I'm intended to look it up or remember it, every time. — Karl Knechtel 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Charlieface
...benevolent... hmmm... — Charlieface 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Berthold
@Braiam The archive date is set during the creation of the Bulletin. If no specific date is selected, the default is 60 days. — Berthold ♦ 1 min ago
 

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