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9:04 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Oleg Valter
Feel free to chose whatever is "best suited" on a case-by-casee basis - it might be that the interim target will be useful for the OP to gain some perspective. On the other hand, you are creating a chain of linked posts which some find a bit frustrating to follow (there are some egregious examples here on Meta that involve up to half a dozen "rings" in the chain). So... just use your best judgement :) — Oleg Valter 33 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Will Ness
@OlegValter not me, someone else did it. I wonder whether I must intervene or it is OK to leave it as it is. — Will Ness 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Braiam
This answer doesn't explain something: the number of first post have been constant since several years back and so has been the quality of the questions. How it's that there's a increase of users asking for guidance? — Braiam 6 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Sebastian Simon
There’s a deleted answer by that user. — Sebastian Simon 43 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Coderino Javarino
why is it being leaked? Still looks like a bug to me — Coderino Javarino 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Sebastian Simon
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Michael Kay
This has often happened to me. It's infuriating. Very often the reason for closure is that the question wasn't clear (to the person closing it), but if I was answering, that means it was clear enough to me. — Michael Kay 45 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Sebastian Simon
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Larnu
You could always edit the duplicates and add the other as well. A question can be a duplicate of more than one other question. — Larnu 21 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Will Ness
@Larnu that's a good suggestion, a compromise. still I'd like also to have an authoritative verdict whether such linking to closed Q is at all acceptable. — Will Ness just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Michael Kay
This answer supposes that you agree with the person who closed the question. By definition, if you're answering the question, you probably don't agree. Very often the reason for closure was that the question was unclear, but what's unclear to one person may not be unclear to another -- sometimes it's simply that they aren't a native English speaker. — Michael Kay 41 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Trilarion
aka "bury owns head in the sand" (if I can't see it, it doesn't exist) — Trilarion 40 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Michael Kay
It's nothing to do with rep chasing. It's seeing a poor user who has a problem, and you want to help the guy sufficiently to spend time composing an answer, and then some jobsworth closes the question on a technicality and leaves you unable to help, and a user frustrated that SO is unhelpful. — Michael Kay 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Will Ness
thanks for this. in the mean time I've edited the dupe list there to add the older original, without removing the interim one. It just seems weird when someone closes a Q as a dupe of another which is itself already closed as a dupe... by that same closer. :) I guess this is not prohibited then. — Will Ness 24 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Michael Kay
+1 for "Bad closes on so-so questions happen a lot." — Michael Kay 20 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Oleg Valter
@WillNess "you" was a generic you, not you personally :) Methinks "up to you" will be the predominant response - both approaches look fine. Just strive towards closing to the best of possible dupe targets, and you should be all good. In any case, the mere act of dupe closure is a service to the community (unless done in good faith - look no further than the regex for an example of the contrary) — Oleg Valter 1 min ago
 
9:35 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by khelwood
@MichaelKay Then you can edit the question to help make it clearer, and vote to reopen. — khelwood 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by khelwood
@MichaelKay Then you can edit the question to help make it clearer, and vote to reopen. Or should we let anyone answer any closed question they like, because they might disagree with the closure? — khelwood 37 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Elikill58
I agree. Another queston talk too about how to make people less ask bad question. And that's a good point and yes, we should help people to ask good question. Just for example by checking if there is a "?" in the question for example — Elikill58 17 secs ago
 
10:00 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by hostingutilities.com
I've also felt @MichaelKay infuriation. And it's happened after I spend over an hour answering a question before. Grrr. Sometimes questions that are marked unclear are difficult to understand but not so unclear that it is unanswerable. I admittedly used this loophole to get around that question closure and on one other occasion. I try to forget this loophole exists and move on if a question gets closed that I was in the middle of answering, but it is nice having it around for those occasions where you have spent a considerably large sum of time writing up an answer. — hostingutilities.com 25 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by ruffin
"As expected, there were no negative repercussions when we made this change." Stop it. There's a negative repercussion listed in this thread. Though I know folks mean well, the avalanche of unintended consequences for changes like this at this site will be insanely complex. You'd do better to have a parallel system for this -- "nominate for new answers" or something similar would probably work better, and, if subject-matter experts approve, a question gets reopened with a new version and new answers. — ruffin 42 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by ruffin
See my idea for "nominate for new answers" and question versioning, above. Then your "modern, superior answer" ;^D can be the top answer at the most recent version of a question, no problems. — ruffin 1 min ago
 
10:32 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by computercarguy
@MisterMiyagi, I'm also saying that 90% isn't possible. I seriously doubt even 60% is possible, which is why I wondered about statistics on how people actually vote, rather than guessing on it. — computercarguy 1 min ago
 
10:47 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
Re "Just like people cheating on chess servers in various ways": One such example on a high level is Viswanathan Anand vs Nikhil Kamath (2021-06-13), elaborated on in the next video the day after, at 00 min 18 secs. — Peter Mortensen 11 secs ago
 
11:20 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by computercarguy
@MisterMiyagi, I looked at how to pull the stats I was looking for and think I found an answer. About 10.5% of the 32.7 million Qs that have any votes (54 million total Qs) on SO have a mix of up and down votes, so just shy of the 90% you're looking for. That's 3.4 million Qs. I'm surprised there's that few with mixed voting. data.stackexchange.com/stackoverflow/query/1461705/… Feel free to optimize or fix my SQL, if there's a problem. It's my first time writing a query on that site. — computercarguy 8 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by computercarguy
With those numbers available, I don't think we can make any real assumptions on what's a good vs bad question when we, as a community, have disagreed 3.4 million times. We could probably go further and see how many times the mixed results have resulted in positive, negative, or zero net scores, but what would that really tell us? — computercarguy 49 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by computercarguy
With those numbers available, I don't think we can make any real assumptions on what's a good vs bad question when we, as a community, have disagreed 3.4 million times. We could probably go further and see how many times the mixed results have resulted in positive, negative, or zero net scores, but what would that really tell us? There's even 21.3 million Qs (34.4% of total Qs) without any votes, so we can't even decide if those are good or not, so how can we make any accurate assumptions about them. — computercarguy just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
@NathanOliver: "we really need some automation to fix this": Certainly, but it should be much better than Quora's moderation bots (they have unspecified IQ). — Peter Mortensen 21 secs ago
 
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