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12:32 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Hovercraft Full Of Eels
You just won the meta-ironic badge, congratulations! — Hovercraft Full Of Eels 8 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by orion elenzil
hey Ben, how's it going ? I don't even know what a 'self-answered reversal' on SO is, but apparently this is one. data.stackexchange.com/stackoverflow/query/677715/…orion elenzil 53 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by glenn jackman
Good to know I'm set for the next century :/ — glenn jackman 27 secs ago
 
12:47 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by D. Ben Knoble
@orion elenzil it has to do with question and answer scores—see the votes on my question and my self-answer :) i like to think I’ve matured since i asked this question — D. Ben Knoble 59 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by glenn jackman
It's an exclusive club, me and Alanis Morissette — glenn jackman 5 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Oleg Valter
This check will only lead to another misfeature like the title quality "control"... I already see several possibilities of how this ends up in horrible amount of false positives and negatives. Far from all well structured posts have "?" in them. Far from all badly written ones lack one either. In fact, it can be argued that "?" are more likely to be found in poorly asked questions because those askers just use whatever language construct comes to their mind... — Oleg Valter just now
 
1:02 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
There could be soft close votes (only one required to temporary close a question) to be used instead of downvotes that would close a question for a set amount of time (say, 10 minutes or 4 hours). The OP would know exactly when it would be reopened (it would not be seen as permanent and very negative) and can use the time to improve the question. In the soft close period the question would be protected from voting (up or down), but not from comments. — Peter Mortensen 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
There could be soft close votes (only one required to temporary close a question) to be used instead of downvotes that would close a question for a set amount of time (say, 10 minutes or 4 hours). The OP would know exactly when it would be reopened (it would not be seen as permanent and very negative) and can use the time to improve the question. In the soft close period the question would be protected from voting (up or down), but not from comments. — Peter Mortensen 11 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Phil
@Zoe I'm curious - why would answering a closed question get the one answering down votes? — Phil 8 secs ago
 
1:54 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by mickmackusa
@davidbak [makes shocked face] "A penalty for answering dupes [...]" ...how very dare you! ;) meta.stackoverflow.com/q/410911/2943403mickmackusa 20 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by mickmackusa
I find myself very often aligning with @Oleg's thoughts. I am in favor of progressively decoupling privileges from reputation. We should also stop celebrating people who have more than 1M rep points, because this is fuelling the worst offenders doing the worst job of curating content (which the are VERY capable of doing well). The Mortarboard badge is another stimulator of bad contribution habits -- it disincentivizes the art for of carefully and patiently hunting for duplicates. — mickmackusa 59 secs ago
 
2:14 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
Does this answer your question? Why didn't I get the Curious badge?yivi 8 secs ago
 
 
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3:55 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Bodito
Another day, another useless problem is raised... Your whole point is pure bs... — Bodito 30 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Someone_who_likes_SE
Well, +50 isn't "chump change". (It might for a 200k user, but not for me.) — Someone_who_likes_SE 29 secs ago
 
4:29 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick McCurdy
Thanks, I'll do 2 and 3. I wanted to make sure it wasn't redundant or rude. — Nick McCurdy 1 min ago
 
5:07 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Trilarion
@PeterMortensen But that's all after the fact, i.e. after a typically low quality question has been asked. I would prefer that new users play the onboarding game before asking their first question. And maybe questions should be more structured. Instead of title and body there could be more fields and one of them could be research and filling something in there could be mandatory. — Trilarion 1 min ago
 
5:50 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Daedalus
...in the chat of LinkedIn; could you clarify what you mean by this? I ask as it sounds as if you're reporting a bug from another unrelated website. — Daedalus 53 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by BitTickler
@skomisa Especially because I am a software developer, I object "artifical" complexity. I give you an example from automotive industry where a certain german automotive company wants to have something like: "Next service in 2000km or 2 months." on a display and - in start contrast to other manufacturers uses close to 100 model parameters for oil aging modeling and tons of maths and complexity and 300 pages of specification. Others have like 5 pages and 5 model parameters and get the same end result. So yes - people telling me, it has to be complicated make me suspicious. — BitTickler 27 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by MisterMiyagi
I think you are just completely missing the point. Identifying 9X? of bad questions does not mean 100% agreement by everyone who voted. It means the final rating decision was made - be that 5/3 close votes, net -3 score, or whatever a future rating will be. That there are people who would pry open or upvote every junk, that people have to learn, that there are borderline cases, that there is content which is neither good or bad does not mean we as a whole are incapable of rating what is bad - or good. — MisterMiyagi 16 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin Krumwiede
There's nothing wrong with keeping them forever. Storage is cheap. — Kevin Krumwiede 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by MisterMiyagi
No matter how deep you dig into the data, you won't find an XY% of how well we vote. Because the entire reason for voting is that we cannot automatically 100% reliably say what is good or bad. And that is fine, because that is the entire point of why we vote on content to begin with. — MisterMiyagi 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by BitTickler
As for "more rules -> bad". Does anyone here feel comfortable dealing with lawyers, laws, rules and regulations? The law system of modern western societies is a prime example of the "there is a loophole for everything" syndrome. So yes - I think making the reputation system rather simple than law-like complex is a good thing. So I did in fact answer the question of the OP with a question: Is such a feature worth it? In terms of making an already complex system even more complex? My opinion (and that is what I wrote) is a NO. Also, because people will try and make a rep-income out of it. — BitTickler 26 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by MisterMiyagi
No matter how deep you dig into the data, you won't find an XY% of how well we vote. Because the entire reason for voting is that we cannot automatically 100% reliably say what is good or bad. If we could, then we would not be voting - neither up or down. — MisterMiyagi 36 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by MisterMiyagi
@BitTickler That just seems like a slippery slope argument. We obviously need some complexity and there will always be people who exploit what complexity is there - as there currently already are, hence the question. A slippery slope isn't necessarily linear in real systems. — MisterMiyagi 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by BitTickler
@MisterMiyagi I wholeheartedly agree with the labeling of what I try to make people aware of with my answer as "slippery slope". Hoping you meant it as I understood it. And in my books, this is a valid objection. Let's not forget that the reputation number is just a little immaterial, symbolic token of "we appreciate your contribution" and no ones life depends on it. So why go down that slope? — BitTickler 13 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lundin
Why even use a site owned by a private company who doesn't care about quality then? Start contributing to non-profit, open source communities instead. Where the community itself decides how the site should be. — Lundin 5 secs ago
 
6:24 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by MisterMiyagi
@BitTickler I mean it to reject your argument, so I doubt you understood it correctly. Adding complexity and making things worse don't necessarily go hand in hand, so the slope you are warning about is not necessarily there - IMO it is not. Rep might be a symbol and immaterial, yet it does motivate people - and in the situation this meta-Q is about, it motivates to contribute in a way that is not appreciated. — MisterMiyagi 10 secs ago
 
6:40 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Eric Duminil
To be honest, while I was chasing the Ruby & Python golden badges, I didn't look too closely for duplicates. I just answered as fast as possible. Sorry! — Eric Duminil 1 min ago
 
7:07 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tiago Martins Peres
@Daedalus with that I mean the URL pattern we're using with the + creates problems not only in the Job's messages but in other systems too. Guess what I try to say is if another pattern could be used that's more friendly (without having to break in other systems, like a plain URL) — Tiago Martins Peres 28 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Daedalus
Unless I am mistaken, the + character is a very common url token. I don't think SO is wrong for using it, and I think the onus in this case lies with LinkedIn to fix the bug, not SO for using what is defined in the w3c as valid. — Daedalus 28 secs ago
 
7:27 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tiago Martins Peres
@Daedalus you can write that as an answer. — Tiago Martins Peres 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Heinzi
@khelwood: "Or should we let anyone answer any closed question they like, because they might disagree with the closure?" No, but we can be pragmatic and reduce frustration for those who disagree with the close reason and already put significant effort into writing a good answer. Thus, I'm all-in for BoltClock's suggestion of an "official" grace period. I agree with you that selective enforcement is bad, but only with that. If the answers are truly worthless, that's what downvotes are for. — Heinzi 1 min ago
 
7:44 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tintin
What do you mean by pinging? Do you mean sending him a message? not sure how to do this. — Tintin 1 min ago
 
7:57 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Holger
This seems to be an issue of the “Active” sort criteria, as the problem does not occur with “Votes” nor “Oldest”. In my opinion, deleted answer should always be at the end, however, I can’t get the logic applied here. “Active” does not mean “Newest” and there are edits and comments at your answer newer than those of some of the deleted answers, so why is yours at the end when “Active” is chosen? I have no idea. — Holger 50 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by MisterMiyagi
@KevinKrumwiede Storage is cheap. Searching through it is not. — MisterMiyagi 46 secs ago
 
8:24 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
But 3. has a very high risk of the (misguided) necroposting reaction (in the form of downvotes). Perhaps add something about how this can be mitigated/prevented? — Peter Mortensen 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by RobC
Great to see that this proposed change has finally been implemented. The yarn tag has now been renamed to hadoop-yarn. — RobC 11 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user692942
Bear in mind that the question is over 7 years old just because there's an easier way to do it now doesn't mean the answer was incorrect in earlier versions. Instead, leave your own answer pointing to what version your solution works for and maybe also provide attribution to the original answer if they overlap. — user692942 1 min ago
 
9:00 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by trincot
Would it be an idea to have an answer embargo during the first 10 minutes after a question is asked? This would increase the chance to get a duplicate question closed before any answers are posted, and those inclined to answer such questions would be more inclined to look for duplicates instead. Or alternatively, when a question is closed within 10 minutes, all answers to it are deleted with it, reverting any reputation gained from them. — trincot 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Cordes
@PeterMortensen: Fair point. My usual approach is to say "see [xys's answer](link) for [this part]", often with my own TL:DR summary of it or at least the key parts, if I don't have much to add to another answer's coverage of that part. (Especially common in CodeReview.SE questions where it's normal that there are multiple things to talk about in one question, if there's something that definitely shouldn't go without comment, but has already been discussed. And where properly addressing why something isn't the best way requires explanation, not just working code.) — Peter Cordes 39 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by CodeCaster
@Lundin I have followed one instance of such a non-profit, open source community and revisit regularly, but I keep wondering why the people invested in it think that they have designed a set of rules and mechanisms that will scale up from one question a day to one question a second (or anything in between). I think this kind of community, or any community really, cannot scale while pleasing everyone, not even some. — CodeCaster 20 secs ago
 
9:37 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lundin
@CodeCaster They won't scale up well at all as-is, obviously. But the more people who use the site, the more people will get active on meta as well, discussing posting rules, policies, moderation and so on. Nothing will please everyone, but if it pleases a majority, then that's probably as good as it gets for any Internet community. Notably, pleasing the community and pleasing shareholders are very different things. Remove the shareholders and the site can focus much better on building something for the long term. — Lundin 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Camion
How comes that all the comments have been deleted from stackoverflow.com/questions/17835302/…... — Camion 1 min ago
 
10:09 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Scratte
Stack doesn't own it. They are only free to publish it under the license. — Scratte 50 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Gimby
"so it's probably never going to be seen and thus will never get upvoted" - I respectfully disagree with a slam of my flat hand on the table to make it extra dramatic. I frequently find my answer in zero or one-voted answers and you can be darned skippy I upvote them with an extra firm click. I am not special at all. — Gimby 59 secs ago
 
10:25 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ryan M
@Camion Probably because they mostly served as thanks for the answer, but you'd have to ask a moderator to know for sure. — Ryan M 37 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ian Kemp
@Gimby Congrats, I'm sure your single upvote is going to do everything to dislodge other answers with hundreds of upvotes. — Ian Kemp 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick McCurdy
I also added a comment. Since I did find an answer to part of the question that wasn't answered originally, I still want some reputation for it. — Nick McCurdy 13 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Camion
@RyanM : No, they didn't MOSTLY served as thanks (there was a screen shot in the post) They thanked me indeed, but the first one underlined that unlike the others it was a standalone working solution. The second one stressed the importance of the pixel trick, and the third one gave me a hint for another solution I didn't know about. — Camion 41 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by kaya3
"their intention was to write a good answer, you are making that answer better, how can an improvement ever conflict with what they wrote?" - if we take that to its logical extreme, then it would be OK to edit an answer to replace it in its entirety with a better one, even if the edited answer solves the problem in a completely different way. "Conflicts with their intent" is absolutely applicable when editing answers, not just questions. — kaya3 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by kaya3
Regarding your other points, I have written several answers on years-old questions which have subsequently received plenty of upvotes - e.g. here (8 years later), here (6 years later), here (9 years later). Also, releasing your content under a Creative Commons license still means you own the copyright to it. Granting a license is just that; in fact, the license would be legally unenforceable if you didn't retain copyright. — kaya3 37 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ian Kemp
@kaya3 And yet none of your answers have more upvotes than the accepted one, which means your answer is far less likely to be seen, used, and upvoted. Please don't play pedantry. — Ian Kemp 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by kaya3
You wrote that such answers "will never get upvoted", which I have clearly shown to be false. If you didn't actually mean that then perhaps the problem is that you wrote it. — kaya3 20 secs ago
 
11:14 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Scratte
The fact that some other Answer on a post has 2984 upvotes doesn't mean no one ever reads a new Answer. I have no issues posting a new one and I don't expect it to get to the top.. and so what? Not everybody writes for the masses. I'm perfectly happy with the few that gets to mine. I've come to think they're the ones that I'd like to target. The ones that take their time to go through a post and learn. As for your point that the posts by @kaya3 didn't reach the top. It's likely to be become moot. Their scores seems to be rising faster relative to the time they've existed. — Scratte 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Adrian Redgers
What is this 'link' you speak of? Likewise where can you find the #answerid? — Adrian Redgers 23 secs ago
 
11:59 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Adrian Redgers
The 'Share' at the bottom of an answer lets you copy a link to it. — Adrian Redgers 11 secs ago
 
12:15 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jeanne Dark
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Hovercraft Full Of Eels
Myself, I mostly down-vote if the question shows little evidence of prior research or effort, which begs the question -- did you search meta for similar questions before asking? If so, how is your question and request different from the previous ones? This has been asked at least weekly if not more. — Hovercraft Full Of Eels 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jess
Hi @JeanneDark. Thanks. Not quite. I'm not proposing a comment for downvote or closevote, but perhaps a reason which could even be a 'canned' reason. The link you give does not talk about close votes. — Jess 46 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jeanne Dark
Up- and downvotes come with feedback automatically. — Jeanne Dark 31 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jess
@HovercraftFullOfEels - yes I did. — Jess 23 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jess
@JeanneDark where? — Jess 58 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Hovercraft Full Of Eels
Just like on the Stack Overflow main site, we can only go by what you show. If you wanted to ask a high-quality version of this sort of question, you would have enumerated the canonical versions of this question in your own, with appropriate links, and delineate how yours is different. You don't. — Hovercraft Full Of Eels 52 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jeanne Dark
At the very top of the closed post. — Jeanne Dark 23 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jess
It's not closed yet. — Jess 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Donald Duck
Could you post a screenshot of the question and the answer so that <10k users can see them? Not that it matters in understanding your question, I'm just curious. — Donald Duck 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ivar
@Jess You have enough reputation to see the close votes. Just click on "close" and see what people voted for. — Ivar 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jess
NOW THIS QUESTION HAS 6 Downvotes! The irony. — Jess 55 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Warcupine
This question is racking up downvotes because meta sees a version of this daily. — Warcupine 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jess
@Warcupine - which means it is a legitimate issue that needs a fix. — Jess 55 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Hovercraft Full Of Eels
Nothing ironic. Again, your question does not show any evidence of extensive prior research or thought. Again, how is this question different from the gabillion prior incarnations? — Hovercraft Full Of Eels 59 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zoe
Pro tip: shouting about downvotes generally only helps you get more downvotes. I suggest you take a walk and calm down, and come back when you're ready to discuss your question without shouting about the downvotes — Zoe 59 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Federico Navarrete
I think this is a worthy question. I experienced something similar recently. — Federico Navarrete 56 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jeanne Dark
The downvotes should tell you that people disagree with this being an issue that needs to be fixed. — Jeanne Dark 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jess
The user experience is so bad. Now my question is closed. It just happened and a suspect it is one of you all who closed it. — Jess 57 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zoe
There were three people who voted to close. I cast the last close vote, in case you feel like going on a witch hunt. — Zoe 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jess
@JeanneDark if this question appears every day on meta, then how is it not an issue. Maybe the features exist already as you say, but perhaps the UI is not expressing them correctly. — Jess 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Hovercraft Full Of Eels
Yes, the user experience is bad if you ask a poorly written and researched question. I'm sorry, but the onus of effort in creating good content is on you, and in this situation, to be blunt, you failed. Sorry, but I have to call it as I see it. — Hovercraft Full Of Eels 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jess
@Zoe thank you for telling me but that just makes me fell much worse about this whole thing. — Jess 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Hovercraft Full Of Eels
Yes, this is a viable issue, and this could have been a decent question, but it would require more than an off-the-cuff, quick post. Rather, it would require extensive research and thought. — Hovercraft Full Of Eels 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jess
@HovercraftFullOfEels is it my job to design features for stack overflow? Or just report the problems and suggest that a feature is needed? — Jess 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jeanne Dark
We are all volunteers and people come to SO in hope of expert answers to useful questions. Experts want to spend their time answering good questions and SO wants them to be able to. Not spend their time with bad content which makes them eventually leave the site. — Jeanne Dark 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Hovercraft Full Of Eels
If you desire a good reception for your post, then yes, it is ultimately your responsibility to provide good content. Just like on the main site. Otherwise, this is nothing but a poorly created rant. — Hovercraft Full Of Eels 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jeanne Dark
"is it my job to design features for stack overflow?" Is it a volunteer's job to explain to you why your contribution isn't considered useful? — Jeanne Dark 1 min ago
 
12:39 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Bernhard Barker
@BitTickler "why go down that slope" - because the current system doesn't do what we want it to? Aside from a bit of nuance, the current reputation system is mostly: you get +10 rep for an upvote, -2 for a downvote, +15 for acceptance and nothing for moderation. That sounds rather simple if you ask me, so we have a long way to go before we get to a point where we need to start worrying about overcomplicating things. If we want to address the problem by instead making it simpler, the only way I see to do so would be to remove reputation for votes and acceptance, which would be quite extreme. — Bernhard Barker 40 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Oleg Valter
I can only second Bernhard here - current system is a great example of how bad "simpler" systems can go. Different problems require solutions of different complexity - trying to simplify everything that can be simplified is a common fallacy (just as common as overcomplicating). Governing participation of thousands of human beings in essentially a free labour is a complex problem that requires a very nuanced and complex solution. What SE has, however, is simply braindead. — Oleg Valter 24 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Oleg Valter
@BitTickler "Does anyone here feel comfortable dealing with lawyers, laws, rules and regulations" - yes, I am. Rules, regulations and proper metrics are what make robust systems, not opportunistic approaches of early capitalism that were critiqued to death by people much smarter than me or you. — Oleg Valter 46 secs ago
 
12:59 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by The Riser
I'll get around to it eventually, thank you. — The Riser 48 secs ago
 
1:22 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Sebastian Simon
Well, it looks like it looks okay in Chrome, but in Firefox I see this. It’s not blank, but the content is not centered and is partially cut off. The Developer Story page is also not responsive yet, so I assume that print optimization will have to wait until it’s responsive. — Sebastian Simon 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
@SebastianSimon The screenshot I posted above is from FF as well, and it does not exhibit the problems the one you show has. — yivi 25 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Sebastian Simon
@yivi I see now. I can get it to center when I scale down the print. It looks like you’ve used a ~50 % scaling. — Sebastian Simon 30 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
@Sebastian I haven't used any scaling intentionally. I just click "control+P". Also, I never, ever print, so I have no clue about what default settings I have or do not have. (seems like the default is "fit to page" for me cln.sh/DhFbdx). — yivi 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by cigien
@PeterMortensen Does that really happen? Of course, if the new answer doesn't add anything new, then it can get downvotes (justifiably so), but if it adds new information that's useful (in addition to citing other answers), I haven't noticed that they get downvoted. — cigien 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Sebastian Simon
Ah, now I see. But I still cannot reproduce the totally blank page, neither with the settings shown in the post, nor with any other settings. It also says “4 sheets of paper” for me, not “1 sheet of paper” in the dialog. — Sebastian Simon 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by samcarter_is_at_topanswers.xyz
The title at the very top of the page is a link to the current version. — samcarter_is_at_topanswers.xyz 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
@kevinkrumwield storage isn’t the issue, as I’ve explained in my answer. — Kevin B 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by questionto42
@samcarter_is_at_topanswers.xyz aaah I see. I did not know. Perhaps it should be made clearer then. — questionto42 16 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by questionto42
I oversaw "Title" as a button. I thought it would be just a text header. Therefore it is not that obvious, saying this not after my first edit here. Anyway, now I know, thanks. — questionto42 27 secs ago
 
2:05 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Oleg Valter
eh, like leaving a comment :) By pinging I mean "@-mentioning", the thing you can do when replying in comments (although this will not be necessary since Juice is the post author) to get the person notified. — Oleg Valter 27 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by questionto42
OK, I edited that by "and the placeholder Q does not count as a normal question". — questionto42 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by tbking
That's interesting to know. I have added the browser and system version in the question — tbking 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by tbking
I am able to print other pages on Stack Overflow, like this question but not the developer story. — tbking just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
Using FF on Macos, and as mentioned, cannot reproduce. — yivi 30 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by tbking
Okay, thanks for checking. I can try printing my dev story from other systems. Hopefully I will find something wrong setting on my system sooner or later. — tbking 39 secs ago
 
2:45 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by tbking
I just checked and I don't think my reproduction steps were very detailed. I am trying to print by clicking the Print button on the right side of this page stackoverflow.com/story/tbking. From your screenshots it seems like you are printing from stackoverflow.com/users/story/2751596. Here's the button I am using. — tbking 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
Indeed, now I can reproduce the issue. Which is the more glaring because of that page having a huge "print" button. — yivi 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by CLOVIS
@PeterMortensen I do remember finding posts from other Stack Exchange websites, but that was a long while ago so I cannot say for certain whether it was this particular website or another scrapper. — CLOVIS 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by CLOVIS
I do not know whether it is the full SO or just a subset, however I can guarantee that it is a subset large enough that it becomes a pain in day to day life to have to check the URL to see if it's that website or not everytime I google search something. — CLOVIS 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by CLOVIS
I see the SE policies that anything correctly attributed is fine. It's a shame, it's encouraging quite a lot of low-quality spam in search results. Other websites do the same with GitHub issues as well. — CLOVIS 33 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Sebastian Simon
Got it. In a print view, the developer story becomes invisible, and there’s a separate developer story specifically for print. The first one has a print:d-none class, the second one a d-none and print:d-block class. The d-none print:d-block is supposed to make the element visible only in print, but unfortunately, both selectors have the same specificity, so the d-none style overrides the print:d-block style since it’s defined later. Changing the selector of .print\:d-block { display: block !important; } selector to .d-none.print\:d-block works. !important can be removed. — Sebastian Simon 45 secs ago
 
3:34 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Gimby
I can't upvote an answer which generically states that "docker questions" should go to DevOps.SE, it throws the net far too wide. — Gimby 1 min ago
 
3:52 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by computercarguy
@MisterMiyagi, exactly, that's why we can't avoid "rewarding people who answer bad questions". At least not until we come up with a significantly better system than what's currently used, which I highly doubt is going to happen any time soon. — computercarguy 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by MisterMiyagi
It's certainly not going to happen anytime soon if we reject "better" because we only look at "perfect". — MisterMiyagi 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Technoob1984
Just to put things in perspective, When I asked this question, it was voted down. Down votes are getting out of control, and I think there needs to be some new rules. They aren't helpful on their face, and I think they could be driving people away from the platform. Just my opinion, I am just a Technoob I guess... — Technoob1984 just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Machavity
Was able to repro in FF 92 and Edge 93 — Machavity ♦ 53 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Bender the Greatest
Do you mean you asked a similar meta question? Or you mean you asked a question on the main site along the vein of "x tool isn't working programmatically" and users downvoted and voted to close it? — Bender the Greatest 26 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by computercarguy
@MisterMiyagi, I'd think that throwing away answers on 49.1% of questions isn't "better". Only 50.9% of all questions have 100% positive votes, if they even have votes. That's very poor standards for any Q&A site. — computercarguy 7 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by MisterMiyagi
Okay, look, I really don't get where your insistence on "100% accurate" – be it positive votes, negative votes, closure or whatever – comes from. Unless you clear that up, I see no point discussing numbers with such ludicrous criteria. — MisterMiyagi 14 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by computercarguy
@MisterMiyagi, yes, it's ludicrous to insist that people agree that an answer is good before getting points for answering it. That's my point. — computercarguy 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by MisterMiyagi
And no one but you insists this is the only criteria to use. — MisterMiyagi 23 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by questionto42
@Gimby It is your best right. This discussion has lead to no result, thus I just added some remarks from the comments, without the claim to finish the discussion. Just add another answer if you have an idea. But just calling Unix&Linux SE the right place as in the other answer is too short-sighted, in my opinion. — questionto42 13 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by computercarguy
@MisterMiyagi, no, the original question does this. "Why do we reward users for answering bad questions?" Not everyone agrees with what Qs are bad, so how would we be able to enforce something we can't agree on? I'm sorry I can't communicate that to you well enough, but 100% agreement isn't my argument, it's the OP's. I'm trying to show just how ridiculous it is. — computercarguy 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by MisterMiyagi
We close questions without 100% agreement. We delete content without 100% agreement. We rate content without 100% agreement. We flag content without 100% agreement. We review content without 100% agreement. There is absolutely no problem rating content as "good" or "bad" without 100% agreement. — MisterMiyagi 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by computercarguy
@MisterMiyagi, yes, and it's done rarely and for very specific reasons, and it's also overturned on occasion. This Q wants to throw away half the site because it doesn't meet the OPs personal metrics. That's completely insane. People talk about freedom of speech, yet seem to be OK with censoring others that don't agree with them. I'm against that kind of mass censoring. I'm fine with removing hate content, but not simple disagreements. That's what SO got in trouble for with Monica not that long ago. — computercarguy 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by MisterMiyagi
I have literally no idea how you connect not rewarding answers to content rated as bad with throwing away half the site and mass censoring. — MisterMiyagi 11 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by computercarguy
@MisterMiyagi, if you don't allow rating of answers on "bad" questions, why even have those answers? Also, if you aren't going to get rewarded for answering a question, why bother answering it. And if you don't want "bad" questions around to clutter the site with bad answers, why allow the "bad" questions to exist? That's the kind of path this Q leads to. You ight think that's an extreme, but if we look outside of SO, we see extremes all over the place that many people don't seem to have a problem with, so why not in an online forum, too? — computercarguy 1 min ago
 
 
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[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ivar
This only applies to the on-page editor. Not to the edit page itself. The screenshots in the question are of the edit page. (Given they have a "rev" select box.) — Ivar 34 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
or loosen the lock on not deleting upvoted answers and make use of additional metrics to determine that even though the answer is upvoted, it provides no lasting value and shouldn't stop the roomba from deleting the question. — Kevin B 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user4581301
I think a more effective triage would work better. If questions had to pass panel of experienced users of the appropriate tags before they showed up anywhere, many problems would be solved. The high rep user merely out for internet points would still vote the question through so they could answer it, but hopefully one of the other vetters would go, "Smurf. THIS question again." and close it before anyone gets to see it. — user4581301 30 secs ago
 
6:52 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by sj95126
@user4581301: that's a possible approach but there would have to be some protections. It's a well-known problem on SO that some users have ... let's say a rather erudite opinion of things. A lot of perfectly valid questions may never see the light of day because they aren't considered "sophisticated" enough. I see many questions down-voted within 1 minute of posting; some people are eager to make their viewpoint known. — sj95126 36 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user4581301
That's true, but better to have the question sent back to the asker unposted with comments on how to improve it than to expose it to everyone and watch it get torpedo-bombed. Yes, people will get pissed off being told their question's not up to snuff, but at least it won't get them banned. Mind you, then we need some protection on that to keep habitual bad-question writers from filling up the triage queue. — user4581301 49 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user4581301
Side note: I downvote a lot of questions. And a lot of answers. I downvote fairly quickly. Both are hard work, so it stands to reason that a lot of both won't be up to snuff. I also monitor those downvotes and remove them when content is improved enough to be useful. — user4581301 52 secs ago
 
 
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[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cerad
Exactly this. In my own tiny corner there are far too many interesting questions being closed. The reasons given are absurd. The only plausible explanation is that the closers don't understand the question. — Cerad 15 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by computercarguy
Does the 35 downvotes on this Q mean it's a bad Q? Or is it just that the total votes are positive mean it's a good Q? How does the OP propose to implement a plan to not give reputation to As on "bad" Q's? — computercarguy 17 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ann Zen
@computercarguy "Does the 35 downvotes on this Q mean it's a bad Q?" I believe it comes down to a numbers game when a question gets a lot of attention (like the 2K views here). — Ann Zen 41 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Oleg Valter
@computercarguy it means that 35 people disagree that this is a good idea, not that the question is bad. Maybe I missing some irony in the message, but just in case, the obligatory: "downvotes on meta mean disagreement and only sometimes - the post quality" :) — Oleg Valter 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by computercarguy
@AnnZen, I'm not sure why views matter. I have Qs with more views, but nearly no votes. Does that mean that this Q is a good one because so many people vote on it regardless of how they vote? Are my Qs bad because they eventually get lots of views, but lack votes? Really, regardless of if it's views or votes, it's still a numbers game. — computercarguy 50 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by computercarguy
@OlegValter, ok, so if it's a "bad idea", then shouldn't we get a different way to vote so we can differentiate between "idea" and Q worthiness so we have a chance of deciding if we should answer a "bad" Q, since the OP says we shouldn't answer bad Qs? But doesn't a bad idea also equate as a bad Q? I've seen plenty of "bad idea" Qs in other stacks closed, even when the Q itself followed all site requirements for being a good Q. — computercarguy 33 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dale K
@Larnu "vigilante curators" :) — Dale K 17 secs ago
 
8:57 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Charlieface
@IanKemp That would probably get a few 1m rep (or close to) users banned. Which might actually be a good idea, at least as a warning shot... — Charlieface 39 secs ago
 
9:10 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kos
Many questions are not unique, and been answered (or at least asked) before. There is awaited change to encourage users to find answer on SO (instead of adding own answer): It's time to reward the duplicate findersKos 6 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by computercarguy
The problem with #3 is that when you combine 2 partial answers under your own or Community account, those useful answers lose votes and rep to the now combined answer. If people cease getting rewarded for posting even partial answers, they will stop posting answers altogether. I've understood that a partial answer is better than no answer. And I'll answer the part of a Q I have knowledge about, leaving someone else to answer the rest. That's part of the reason why there's room for more than one answer, correct? — computercarguy 1 min ago
 
9:50 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Cordes
Stack Overflow doesn't own the copyright over the text of the answer, but Stack does maintain control of which version of the various CC-BY-SA-licensed answers is currently shown: the latest one, with a mechanism for other users to edit. You can call that community "ownership" of the display space (rather than of the original post text), @Scratte. In general I agree with Ian's core point, that editing to add new stuff to answers is sometimes the best practical option, especially when they have huge numbers of upvotes and the poster hasn't been maintaining their answer re: comments. — Peter Cordes 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by zcoop98
An an interesting twist of fate, the exact opposite is currently in effect in the LQA queue. — zcoop98 1 min ago
 
10:12 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by cigien
@computercarguy It's generally preferable to provide as complete an answer as possible. If an answer is a partial answer, then yes, it might get less votes over time vs a more complete answer, but I don't see that as a problem. Note that users can still upvote multiple answers if they find them useful, so partial answers can still earn reputation for its author. — cigien 34 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Oleg Valter
@computercarguy Well, the closure is done by people. And people are fallible. So is voting, deletion, undeletion, reopening, etc. Apart from that remark, I really have no idea what you are talking about - I am only reminding that taking this question as an example is a bad idea because votes function differently on Meta. And no, suggesting a bad idea makes bad question not. — Oleg Valter 29 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Oleg Valter
"Do we need so many (custom|user-defined)[-data]-type[s]?" :) — Oleg Valter 26 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Oleg Valter
On a more serious note, they all look like duplicates of one tag - the one you mentioned, and the only one that has a wiki. The rest are definitely candidates for being made synonyms of the former. — Oleg Valter 58 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by computercarguy
@OlegValter, I was try to say that if we rate Qs on 2 different metrics (topic and quality of Q), then shouldn't we have 2 different ways to vote? As you say, having a bad idea doesn't necessarily mean it's a bad Q. Also, if we don't reward people for answering subjectively bad Qs, do we still give them credit if the Q was good but the idea/topic was bad? I think the original Q here causes more questions and problems than it attempts to solve, especially since it doesn't suggest an alternative to the current system. IMO a good Q about "process" includes a possible solution. — computercarguy 1 min ago
 
10:39 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Oleg Valter
shrug - your brawl is with SE on that. It's because of them we have "discussions" in the format of Q&A. I would love to see something more suitable for discussion but most likely it's simply not happening. I am pretty sure SE stakeholders dream of shutting down Meta completely, they just can't bring themselves to pull the trigger because they know what will follow. — Oleg Valter 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by computercarguy
@OlegValter, I'm just trying to understand how the OP would think to make their suggestion work, since I can think of many reasons why it'll fail harder than they think the current system fails. I don't think SE/SO should follow the OP's advice, because it'll cause major disruptions and need lots of new processes & rules to work, making it even less likely people will add to (or even get) value on this network of sites. — computercarguy 16 secs ago
 
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[ Boson ] New comment posted by questionto42
@Ivar Thank you for pointing this out. I edited the question. — questionto42 25 secs ago
 

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