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12:12 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Catija
@10Rep Technically the latter is on our roadmap, too ;) — Catija ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by zero298
I just wish we would finally make closing as a duplicate the preferred action instead of a way to lose out on easy points. I mean it, by the time I type the question into Google (our own search engine is terrible) it will have 3 upvotes and 3 answers all circle-voting one another. The close-as-duplicate ages away and we are left with yet another question explaining async coding that will never be roomba'd. — zero298 14 secs ago
 
12:50 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Mari-Lou A
"Go to" are two separate words. — Mari-Lou A 6 secs ago
 
1:27 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by wim
What is Custom Question Lists? I can't find anything of the sort. Can you update the answer? — wim 41 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Someone_who_likes_SE
Comment template: Find out How to Ask. Then take the tour and read help center. Try editing. — Someone_who_likes_SE 1 min ago
 
1:54 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by mickmackusa
This is a basic software development bug. Good programmers would never allow a client-side hack to do something unwanted on the server-side. We should see server-side validation refusing answers that come after the page is closed. I, for one, would like to see a grace period of zero seconds. If the page should be closed, then don't answer it. If you think the question should not be closed, then optimize the question via an edit and campaign for its reopening, then answer. If it is a duplicate AND you have a unique/valuable insight, post it on the dupe target. — mickmackusa 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Braiam
@10Rep that was on 2019. Now it's +30. — Braiam 39 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Braiam
"The problem is that there are too many questions posted" [citation needed] the number of posts in the queue has been constant over the years. — Braiam 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by mickmackusa
Temp-deleting stub answers is an obvious symptom that a user is either not contributing with integrity or that the community is doing a poor job of assessing the integrity of questions. If anyone finds themselves temporarily deleting stub answers, then some introspection is called for. Honestly I did this a few times, several years ago, and now I look back at how sad this technique is. There is far too much attention given to rep. I think more privileges should be potentially unlocked by reaching non-rep milestones. — mickmackusa 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by cigien
[ Boson ] New comment posted by isopach
@cigien Thank you, that's exactly what I'm looking for! Will self-close this now. — isopach 54 secs ago
 
2:22 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by 10 Rep
@Braiam How does someone spend 30 hours on one review? or do you mean for every 40 reviews? — 10 Rep 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Braiam
@10Rep The post spends 30 hours waiting for review. That's what the query tells. — Braiam 17 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Joshua
@mickmackusa: The community has been doing a very poor job of assessing questions that are yet unanswered. — Joshua 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by mickmackusa
I'm not seeing the activity that you are describing. I'm not calling you a liar though. — mickmackusa 18 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Joshua
@mickmackusa: Potentially tag specific; also I answer a lot of "why is this code crashing" questions by tracking down the specific bug in OP's question; while some others will downvote/close vote. This is somewhat controversial though if that were put to a debate in meta, answering them would win over closing them. — Joshua 29 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by cigien
Minor point: I think you voted to close this question. In the future, if you get a suggestion as a duplicate that you agree with, you can approve the suggestion (there should be a pop-up that you see), and that will instantly close the question. — cigien 25 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by mickmackusa
"Why is this code crashing" questions typically have very poor searchability. Before it should be answered, the question should be optimized. If the bug is unique to SO, then of course, I agree that the question should be retained. If it is a duplicate, then it doesn't matter how hard the bug was to find. — mickmackusa 28 secs ago
 
3:30 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by gparyani
This actually used to be the case several years ago: it used to show questions with bounties expiring within 24 hours in time order first, and then the remaining questions with bounties in reputation order afterwards. However, at some point, this was removed. — gparyani 44 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by gparyani
It also existed in the old "new navigation" experiment, but that was later retired. — gparyani 54 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Oleg Valter
Just disengage as soon as possible - we used to call those "help [blood-sucking creates of the night]" but, apparently, this is now considered "unkind" regardless of how true this assertion is. You aren't getting paid by the OP, so feel free to not follow up on any of their requests, especially if they move goal posts — Oleg Valter 13 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Oleg Valter
I voted to reopen too - this question (merits of the proposal aside) has nothing to do with the dupe target other than using the same words. — Oleg Valter 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Oleg Valter
On a more on-topic note, @Bdeering, we should incentivize curation but please do not suggest reputation-based rewards, it's going to be a sh*t-show (as it already is with answering anything just to gain rep). Curators of the network have been begging for a merit-based system of privileges for ages - like "suggest 500 approved edits -> gain unilateral edit privileges" or "successfull flag for closure 200 times -> gain VTC privilege" (numbers are completely random here) — Oleg Valter 1 min ago
 
4:15 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by PM 2Ring
This affects the whole network, not just SO. The main discussion is on MSE. See meta.stackexchange.com/a/368289/334566 and its links. — PM 2Ring 57 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by stevec
@PM2Ring thanks for this, the question is very broad but the top two answers seem extremely supportive (better than I could have articulated!) of the “Last seen” value. Is there any update from SE as to whether it will be put back? — stevec 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by stevec
@PM2Ring I see the top two answers are of scores 328 and 282, but I have insufficient rep to see the total up/down of each. I would be interested to know these figures to understand whether there is significant numbers in opposition to the display of the value. — stevec 33 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Oleg Valter
@stevec 335/7 and 289/7 respectively. There is mostly no opposition for this - most of us are appalled by the decision to remove it — Oleg Valter 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by PM 2Ring
Here's a userscript you can install (on some browsers) to see the up / down vote breakdown: stackapps.com/q/8166 FWIW, that question is on the MSE top ten list of all-time worst negative scoring questions (not counting deleted ones). — PM 2Ring 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Oleg Valter
Does this answer your question? Is there a way of localizing Teams?Oleg Valter 10 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by PM 2Ring
I assume the opposition is primarily from people who say that the Last Seen data is an invasion of privacy. But the counter-argument is to round the Last Seen time to a larger time step, eg 6 hours or a day. There have been some positive responses from staff (including animuson) regarding a Last Active field that uses data that's still available on the public profile. — PM 2Ring 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Oleg Valter
It's better if you ping the staff there - at least if they see enough people requesting this, they might reconsider adding localization sooner - I voted to close a duplicate to prevent information entropy - but please do ping Juice that the feature is highly sought for — Oleg Valter 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Oleg Valter
@PM2Ring yeah, I think the general consensus is that we can sacrifice precision if it makes saving this metric - I just wish staff would listen to us... — Oleg Valter 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by PM 2Ring
There's a Last Seen userscript here: meta.stackoverflow.com/a/410627/4014959 but I don't know how long it will remain functional. — PM 2Ring 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Flakes
Finally! another flake(s) :) . Nice to meet ya! — Flakes 1 min ago
 
5:05 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jeremy Thompson
That is commitment! To put it in perspective 100k p/yr, each week its 1923, is 285 per day, everyday!! — Jeremy Thompson 21 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by flakes
@Flakes Oh my! It's my doppelganger! You've got a year on me too, dang :P — flakes 24 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Flakes
@flakes Don't worry, you have got about 15k on me, to compensate for the years :) — Flakes just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by philipxy
"Too many new users requiring guidance" from Stack Overflow--not reviewers-on posting. — philipxy 58 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Sebastian Simon
There’s an older comment where this has been suggested. — Sebastian Simon 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Namey
@animuson I am seconding that this is not clear. I am also quite confused why if the whole Jobs board will be shut down, it does not have a notice posted to that effect, Various meta chatter appears to be the only place that is explained. Given an active jobs board exists and no notice appears, it's reasonable to think you could post a job, right? — Namey 1 min ago
 
6:04 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
Does this answer your question? Interface in other languagesyivi 7 secs ago
 
6:30 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jeanne Dark
[ Boson ] New comment posted by tripleee
There is no way in general to remove material from third-party web sites, especially if they are in other countries. If you are both in the same jurisdiction, perhaps something like a DMCA takedown request could work. (Given ignorance about international law, a DMCA takedown request could work through intimidation even if neither of you are in a country where the concept has any standing.) We regular users of Stack Overflow obviously have no control over what somebody else on a different network publishes or chooses not to. — tripleee 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ryan M
@tripleee a DMCA takedown would likely be meritless as long as the site is complying with the CC BY-SA license (and thus there's no copyright infringement), and could potentially result in civil liability for the filer. — Ryan M 16 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by tripleee
That's assuming they are complying, but of course, we don't know. — tripleee 54 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Oleg Valter
You can try contacting the site and politely ask them to delete the information but you definitely can't take down those unless, as mentioned, they violate attribution requirements as per CC-BY-SA license... If posts contained some PII that should've never been published in the first place, then they might grant your request if you explain well enough. — Oleg Valter 8 secs ago
 
7:10 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by LW001
I'd be a fan of rewarding duplicate closure, it answers the question just like an answer (Or even better if there are multiple answers) but just is how the site works correctly. If I want to gain Rep, closing as duplicates takes work looking for a good one and possibly interacting with edits/comments but doesn't get me anything out of it. Rewarding flagging as a whole would be really hard to balance, if I had 1 rep per helpful flag I'd be at 5000+ immediately, which would just be ridiculous. And if I could review FA, FQ and LA to "farm" (where no consensus is needed) it'd also be too much. — LW001 28 secs ago
 
7:27 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lino
So you would suggest to burn the tag? — Lino just now
 
7:47 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Andrew T.
 
7:59 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by BitTickler
@KevinB 's comments gave me an idea. Tags on questions serve multiple purposes, as it is now - and one of those is, to classify the desired focus of the answers. algorithm tags usually indicate, someone is looking for a better algorithm, not some simple bug in their code. So why not factor such things out of the tags and give another set of options to classify a question by the author: Examples: "Code Bug" "Algorithm" "Tool chain problem", "Better ideas?" ,... Then, people browsing questions could filter better and the author would more likely get better answers more quickly. — BitTickler 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Larnu
If curation tasks were "rewarded" I would be very interested to see if certain ([very] high rep) users that I am aware of that don't curate do start curating. :) — Larnu 48 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by VLAZ
@BitTickler "algorithm tags usually indicate, someone is looking for a better algorithm, not some simple bug in their code." I don't think this is a fair assessment. There are plenty of cases where the author is implementing a known algorithm but it does not work. It's also misused many times because the author just sees it as "something to do with code" while trying to add as many tags as possible. — VLAZ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TheGeneral
A site like this that sells advertising doesn't really care much about this sort of issue. Click = revenue. New users with crap questions welcome, also free unpaid work to answer and fix crap question is also welcome. They might as well advertise to all school "Come ask your crap question here!, we have people to writes your codez!" — TheGeneral 13 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by BitTickler
I don't get the downvotes: "incentivise" -> "metric change (new rules added)" -> new exploits -> bad. That is the summary of my answer. What's wrong with that? — BitTickler 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
Some users didn't find the answer useful, that's all there is to it. This being a "hot meta question", it will get a fair amount of traffic, and more users expressing their opinions through votes. That's all. — yivi 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by BitTickler
@BLAZ "runtime error", "does not compile" etc. is one class of questions, "my algo implementation is not working", "is there a better algo" are other classes of questions. My idea is to separate this kind of classification from the tags. Even if the one example I picked might not be the best example. And there is always noise and unclear reasoning - even with tags as they are (Just count how many use "C++" tag when they just write "C" or vice versa - or people complaining about the "C++" tag because the code in the question uses stdio... But that noise does not invalidate the idea. — BitTickler 1 min ago
 
8:39 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Christopher Hamkins
Keven B made a good point-- easy questions are often criticized and immediately downvoted. But the reality is that SO is a very valuable resource especially for beginning programmers whose experience is insufficient to formulate a thorough search or recognize another question as a duplicate. I would even maintain that these people are the majority of the users of the site and having their questions answered respectfully is good for SO even when they are duplicates. Google will still have no problem finding the really good questions and answers. — Christopher Hamkins 58 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lalit Fauzdar
I didn't read the the comments and the complete post here, so, sorry if it's already mentioned but what about the newly accepted new answer with less but significant upvotes than the most upvoted answer which is outdated. My one of the answers on an old question is a better solution that the OP marked it as the new answer but the previous answer got more upvotes in the span of two years and it is still the first answer because upvotes, even when it's outdated. mine was the first but now, it's third. Have you considered such a scenario? — Lalit Fauzdar 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Larnu
No, deleting it [the comment] won't revoke the flag. To revoke a flag you have to use the flag dialogue window. — Larnu 44 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ian Kemp
@BitTickler Tags are for classification. The fact that people misapply them is the problem, not the tags or the tagging system. Trying to fix something that isn't broken by reimplementing it, instead of addressing the actual underlying issue, is a great way to waste time and a terrible way to not fix the problem. — Ian Kemp 11 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Maël Nison
@RoddyoftheFrozenPeas that's a separate issue, cf meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/354583/disentangle-the-yarnMaël Nison 50 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ian Kemp
No, the summary of your answer is that you've entirely failed to answer the questions posed by the asker, and unsurprisingly people take issue with that, just like they would on SO. — Ian Kemp 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Sebastian Simon
@LalitFauzdar Looks like an edge case. None of the higher voted answers have a single downvote and only the second answer has a comment about a drawback by you, not the top voted answer. If these answers aren’t voted on, nothing will change. — Sebastian Simon 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ian Kemp
"It's frankly dumb that you can unlock the downvote privilege at 125 rep, and then promptly lose it again by using it on answers..." this, dear god this. "Hey you did a thing that helps quality more than the latest brainfart 'question' from yet another moron who didn't bother to Google beforehand? Yeah screw you for curating." — Ian Kemp 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ian Kemp
@Larnu I'd be very interested in seeing those users permabanned. If you don't curate you're not contributing to the Stack Overflow community as a whole, you're just farming rep. — Ian Kemp 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Oleg Valter
I downvoted because I vehemently disagree that we need to make the systems simpler to get rid of exploits. We need better systems, not simpler systems. The sad fact is that reputation-based system suffers from the same flaws as "naive" capitalism does. Because wealth accumulation is completely orthogonal to quality. That's it. No amount of making it more/less complex is going to change it. I also found an attack on close voters in the second half of the post completely unnecessary and unwarranted ("the obvious mind set of those"). — Oleg Valter 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lalit Fauzdar
I know it's my case, but, I'm talking in general for what if there's an answer which has been marked after the most upvoted answers and even in this case, changed from the most upvoted answer. In such a scenario, I, as a user, would want to see the newly accepted answer first because there must be a reason it is marked as answer even when there were highly upvoted (and accepted) answer/s. — Lalit Fauzdar 55 secs ago
 
9:19 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ian Kemp
@Braiam Too many crap questions posted versus good ones. In other words, signal-to-noise ratio is continuing to drop. — Ian Kemp 37 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ian Kemp
Nothing like a simple automated process to hide a problem instead of solving it properly! — Ian Kemp 9 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by MisterMiyagi
"And what bothers me, is the obvious mind set of those asking to close." You probably should consider to elaborate, reformulate, or remove this (and the containing paragraph). To give you an idea bout the mind set of this close voter: What bothers me are the countless questions that don't even need spending 10 seconds to think about. What bothers me are the gems I can't spend time on because I never see them in all the sand… — MisterMiyagi 15 secs ago
 
9:40 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Larnu
I don't think that's a good idea, @IanKemp . What really needs to happen, in my opinion is they need to be educated on how wrong their understand of the site is, and then, if they don't follow that education, repercussions should occur. The problem, however, is that the only way to educate them would likely be via meta, or a mod DMing them; and then we need vigilante curators (like ourselves?) to be both aware they've been "educated" and flag when they aren't followed that education. That is a can of worms unto itself. — Larnu 10 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ian Kemp
@ChristopherHamkins Please explain how duplicating answers to common questions helps anybody, versus generating noise. I'll wait. — Ian Kemp 14 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ian Kemp
@Larnu Desperate times require desperate measures. — Ian Kemp 57 secs ago
 
10:00 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zoe
@ChristopherHamkins "Google will still have no problem finding the really good questions and answers" - (x) doubt. I've hit walls with low-quality dupe questions with awful answers, not closed at all far more times than I should have. Google does eventually choke on answers thanks to the rise of both the "duplicate answer good"-brigade, and the "closing bad"-brigade. Those two together are slowly causing a decline in the efficiency of Stack Overflow, by allowing arbitrary quality dupes all over the place. Finding canonicals isn't nearly as easy anymore — Zoe 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zoe
The problem with dupe questions and low-quality answers with no closing or even links is that they inevitably clog up google and other search engines with awful results. — Zoe 17 secs ago
 
10:32 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user692942
What about duplicates that still attract answerers looking for low hanging fruit? — user692942 49 secs ago
 
11:00 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by VLAZ
@IanKemp another thing that annoys me is that the association bonus doesn't even allow downvoting. But it does allow upvoting. So, users who land on a question via the HNQ would be able to upvote posts even if they aren't familiar with the site's rules. At the same time users who land on a question via the HNQ would not be able to downvote posts even if they are familiar with the site's rules. It's odd. — VLAZ 36 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ian Kemp
@VLAZ As explained in my answer, it's because bad actors were never considered when designing the SE software. Which, for me, is an incredible oversight that significantly dulls my impression of the initial founders of SE Inc. — Ian Kemp 49 secs ago
 
11:15 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Oleg Valter
@IanKemp well, it might be that when you found something like SO as a sort of beacon of light, you tend to think of people higher than they actually are :) Most likely the case here - I think your answer strikes close to the truth there — Oleg Valter 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Larnu
Do you mean you want to delete one of your accounts? — Larnu 50 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
@Larnu: I think he's got two login methods registered to one account, and wants to unlink one login method do he can create another account... — Cerbrus 14 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by N97
@Larnu Roght now I have two login methods but I want to keep just one so I can use the second email ID for creating another account — N97 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by N97
@Cerbrus Yes exactly. — N97 44 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by samcarter_is_at_topanswers.xyz
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
stackoverflow.com/users/mylogins/me (me is a generic userId parameter :D) — Cerbrus 39 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Braiam
@IanKemp still, old news. Dharman is claiming that something outside of SE changed, there should be evidence of it, because we've seeing crap since before 2013. — Braiam 12 secs ago
 
11:45 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by N97
I tried doing that but nothing is happening even if I click on it. There are two options. One for change password and other for remove. I am able to change the password nut not remove. — N97 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Larnu
Unfortunately I don't want to test removing an account, because I don't want to remove either of them, @N97 , so I can't try to replicate your problem. — Larnu 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by The Riser
@user4581301 All of them had an undelete option so I assumed I could, I guess I'll just focus on digging myself out by answering questions instead...? — The Riser 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Scratte
by garbage human beings :O — Scratte 57 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by MrWhite
@Mari-LouA Dang, my inner programmer! Thanks, corrected. — MrWhite 33 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Christopher Hamkins
One way to eliminate duplicates and still help inexperienced users learn would be to allow a reference to the duplicate question be added as an answer with a flag that simultaneously marks the question as a duplicate. The answer should explain why the other question is a duplicate in terms that the OP can understand. This would add incentive to mark duplicates while still helping people and being respectful. — Christopher Hamkins 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by MrWhite
@41686d6564 "add some kind of a "Jump to accepted answer" button at the top" - Since accepted answers have now been unpinned, this has been added as a "feature request" here: meta.stackoverflow.com/a/411509/369434MrWhite 1 min ago
 
12:27 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ian Kemp
Sorry @Scratte, but anyone who posts a question that can be answered by a Google search is a garbage human being. — Ian Kemp 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Scratte
No. They're not. Not even close to being that. — Scratte 49 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Machavity
[yarn] is now [hadoop-yarn] per the other Meta. Should help this out a bit — Machavity ♦ 1 min ago
 
1:39 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Matsemann
Sooooo many high-rep users answering obvious duplicates instead of closing them... — Matsemann 1 min ago
 
1:54 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
Re "low-quality translation": And laughable (though that does not help)? — Peter Mortensen 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
Re "...translate the whole of Stack Overflow": And all of Stack Exchange as well? — Peter Mortensen 10 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
They do have both post and author attribution (for a change). — Peter Mortensen 8 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
Are you sure it is all of Stack Overflow? The Stack Overflow equivalent seems to be La programmationPeter Mortensen 55 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
Are you sure it is all of Stack Overflow (currently 21,684,289 questions)? The Stack Overflow equivalent seems to be La programmation. In the tag list, the count for, for example, Python, is 4824. On Stack Overflow, the count is currently 1,795,152 questions (nearly 400 times higher). What is the explanation? — Peter Mortensen 12 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
There isn't actually post attribution, because their URLs are broken. Example: the link is https://stackoverflow.com/programming/509211/understanding-s‌​lice-notation. It should be https://stackoverflow.com/questions/509211/understanding-sli‌​ce-notation ("questions" instead of /"programming"/) — Peter Mortensen 28 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
The author attribution links are broken as well. For the example: https://stackoverflow.comhttps//stackoverflow.com/users/2403‌​9/simon. Result: "Hmm. We’re having trouble finding that site."Peter Mortensen 44 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick
"People with assumptions, who believe they know better than the original author of the question what is being asked, who closes the question as duplicate because of such assumptions" - It is your job as question author to disprove such "assumptions". — Nick 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Larnu
Do you not think you are the one that is making all the assumptions here? — Larnu 42 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Quest
@Nick, sure. So if I ask a question how to print hello world, should I get redirected to how to debug application crash? I can not disprove it if it's immediately flagged as a duplicate to a non-relevant question — Quest 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Larnu
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Andrew T.
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick
@Quest "So if I ask a question how to print hello world, should I get redirected to how to debug application crash?" - Well that's not exactly what happened here now is it., "I can not disprove it if it's immediately flagged as a duplicate to a non-relevant question" - Clearly the close voter thought it was relevant. Edit the question to clarify rather than arguing your case in the comments. — Nick 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Quest
@Nick ""So if I ask a question how to print hello world, should I get redirected to how to debug application crash?" - Well that's not exactly what happened here now is it." to be honest, this is exactly what happened here stackoverflow.com/questions/69194280/…Quest 1 min ago
 
2:45 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
I have now reported the attribution problems (and got the confirmation email ([COGRO-31477])), so there shouldn't be any need for other reports. — Peter Mortensen 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by NathanOliver
I don't think there is any improvement that will fix this issue. There is just too many Q's coming in for the volunteer pool to keep up with. Manual review is a horribly scaling system and we really need some automation to fix this. That gets a lot of push back though as they don't want to just not accept a post that could, with some work, become a good post. If the user never gets to post it, they just go somewhere else that will let them post it. It also doesn't help that we have plenty of people that can review, but don't for whatever reason. — NathanOliver 19 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
(For the example, the last update on the scraper site seems to be approx. June 2019. Or there could be more complicated criteria for inclusion.) — Peter Mortensen 21 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Security Hound
The website in question is NOT affiliated with Stack Exchange. — Security Hound 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Braiam
"The issue with that tag is not that it's too specific [...] every question with this tag screams to be closed as the duplicate of the canonical question" a tag that only applies to a single question and its duplicates seems to be extremely specific. — Braiam 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Security Hound
@Quest - Votes to close as a duplicate often is about the answer to that duplicate. You don't mention if the answer to the duplicate was helpful. Your question has not been edited so it's ineligible to be reopened. Only within commentary do you mention you have checked the values of the registers. Your question does not provide the values of those registers nor the faulting code. — Security Hound 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Quest
@SecurityHound Matter of perspective. I didn't ask for help to debug or trace the problem. I simply want to print the call stack. I asked how it is possible, and instead it has been closed as a duplicate to how to debug hardfault. — Quest 29 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Security Hound
@Quest - How you get your question reopened, is by editing your question, indicating the problem is NOT caused by a hardfault. — Security Hound 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tech Inquisitor
Some people write answers just to be helpful, with no regard for getting rep. Gamification is so '00s. — Tech Inquisitor 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
As it is, the question in meta appears to be no more than a rant. Maybe it would be better if you posted a question about the specific closure, asking if it would be possible to reopen the question if edited, and asking for help about how to change the question so it could be reopened. — yivi 1 min ago
 
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[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dan Is Fiddling By Firelight
If there's an explicit 2.x tag, it feels like there should be a 3.x one as well for the rare cases where the two are different. Either that or something like yarnpkg-v2/3? — Dan Is Fiddling By Firelight 1 min ago
 
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[ Boson ] New comment posted by user4581301
Try the undelete link for one of the community-closed questions and see what happens. I don't think you can answer your way out of a question ban. What I've read suggests that it's purely a matter of question quality. — user4581301 35 secs ago
 
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[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ryan M
This answers misunderstands how close flags are marked helpful. It only requires one voter to agree with you on the close reason, not for the question to be closed. — Ryan M 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rjmunro
Maybe an accepted answer should have it's votes boosted by 1.5× or something. — rjmunro 37 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by davidbak
@Matsemann is correct - I don't mind much that a low rep user answers a question that's been answered plenty of times before, but the high rep users who should know better - I see it all the time, and though I don't care all that much it's still somewhat annoying. And low quality questions too. You know what I'd like to see? A penalty for answering dupes that is a percentage of the answerer's rep! (Or is that just vindictive ...) — davidbak 42 secs ago
 
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[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jeanne Dark
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
If you provide a link to your other account, moderators can merge the accounts and deal with the inconsistency. — yivi 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Patrice
"famous question" is a bad indication that your question is good. It's for questions that have been viewed a lot, not necessarily well received. In general, the rules for all accounts are the same (duplicate link). In general though..... a softer stance than insulting everyone and everything may result in an easier experience...... — Patrice 54 secs ago
 
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[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jeanne Dark
You were active on MSO, upvoted 4 times and received the Supporter badge in 2016. — Jeanne Dark 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Larnu
This account can ask questions because the quality of the user's content hasn't been judged yet. On the other hand your other account's content has been judged, and it has been deemed it provides low quality content and so can't ask anymore. But using this account to avoid a question ban is against the rules and liable for this account to be deleted. — Larnu 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jeanne Dark
Does this answer your question? Bug in Yearling badge?Jeanne Dark 34 secs ago
 
5:27 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Andrew Morton
Why? Because no good deed goes unpunished 😲 — Andrew Morton 38 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Andrew Morton
Reviewing can be soul-destroying after four or five reviews in a day. — Andrew Morton 18 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
I'm not active at all on SO meta. ... That just changed, right? Welcome! — rene 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Bernhard Barker
"content posted by people who value imaginary numbers more than anything else" - some people might be like that, but for others it's more about helping people (even if reputation also helps to further motivate them). The problem is that they care mostly about helping people in the short term while disregarding both what would help those people most in the long term as well as the guidelines and goals of Stack Overflow. (That's assuming you're talking about answerers; questioners generally care mostly about getting an answer.) — Bernhard Barker 7 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Scratte
Fun fact: You do not have to earn the 200 reputation points every year. With just 2000 reputation points earned the first year, a user will get the Yearling every year for 10 years. — Scratte 1 min ago
 
5:55 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Sebastian Simon
Shouldn’t “parent meta” be “child meta”? — Sebastian Simon 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by cigien
@SebastianSimon Oops, you're right, I messed up the terminology. Fixed now, thanks. — cigien 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by John Omielan
@PM2Ring FYI, in my answer, I propose basically the same idea as yours, with this being what I consider to be a reasonable compromise for the apparent main reason for removing "Last seen", i.e., privacy issues, as stated in animuson's comment. — John Omielan 17 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jacob Lee
@AaronBertrand For an answer to most currently relevant, some kind of time-discounted sum on votes might be the way to solve that. Of course, if the question is specific enough, then old answers can still be quite relevant (to legacy systems), in which case updating that is not necessarily "the best thing to do". — Jacob Lee 1 min ago
 
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[ Boson ] New comment posted by Aaron Bertrand
@JacobLee Yeah it would be really hard to get that right, and almost every case would be its own edge case. My point was simply that you can't perfectly rank all the answers on every question in a way that puts on top the best answer for everyone. It's just not achievable. — Aaron Bertrand 20 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Heretic Monkey
I find it hard to believe that there could ever be a question whose only flaw is the presence of emoji. Wherever I find emoji, I find "Thanks in advantages" or "Hiya guys" or "lol" or "kthxbye" or something else to edit. So, while editing those, yes, I do remove emoji. — Heretic Monkey 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Paulie_D
Nuke them from orbit. It's the only way to be sure. These have no place in a reference site. You don't see them in a dictionary or Wikipedia... same principle. — Paulie_D 53 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by J...
"...a whopping 61.6% increase in users copying from the top answer when the accepted answer was unpinned and the highest-scoring answer was first in the list of answers." Somehow this feels like herding cats. I guess this helps the mindless copypasta zombies to be more successful in life without them actually needing to invest in any personal improvement or, you know, paying any attention to what they're trying to do. Is that a win for the community? For society? Maybe... but it feels bittersweet. — J... 53 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Scratte
I have seen posts with a single or two emojis. Some on highly scored posts. If they fit, I'd not edit them out. — Scratte 38 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by PM 2Ring
@JohnOmielan Indeed! And I've already voted on that question & your answer. When I originally made my suggestions animuson responded "I'd prefer PM 2Ring's suggestion of changing it to Last Active and showing the last time they publicly interacted with the site". — PM 2Ring 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by nbk
emojis can be posted when demonstrating a character set problem, so for short not al emojis are bad, and if they get out of hand, remove them liek you would a thank you — nbk 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by John Montgomery
[ Boson ] New comment posted by John Omielan
@PM2Ring Thanks for reminding me about your previous comment. There were so many comments on my answer there that I forgot about most of them, including yours. — John Omielan 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by PM 2Ring
@John No worries. I don't expect people to remember huge meta comment threads. :) — PM 2Ring 17 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by MisterMiyagi
I don't quite see how this answers the question. The question is about rewarding the rating process, not punishing the rated content. — MisterMiyagi 10 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by computercarguy
@MisterMiyagi, I question how we can avoid rewarding bad Q's if we can't even reliably identify them Q's as bad. And I never said anything about punishing anyone. — computercarguy 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TylerH
In a perfect world, yeah they'd be disallowed unless the emoji tag or unicode tag or something was used. But this isn't a perfect world, unfortunately. We can't outright disallow them at a system level, and I don't see the developers implementing a modification to the regex parser for posts to include a check for the above scenario. That would leave a soft Meta policy, at best... and we have enough on our plates there already. — TylerH 5 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by MisterMiyagi
Feel free to skip the "punishing" part and go ahead to the "preventing" part, then. — MisterMiyagi 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
@Zoe: Agreed. Using Stack Overflow as a research tool is very inefficient. The answer is there in most cases, but it can take a very long time to find it among the 21,686,068 questions. — Peter Mortensen 26 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
@davidbak: There are many meta questions proposing something like that (that does not mean they are easy to find). — Peter Mortensen 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by computercarguy
@MisterMiyagi, I don't understand your idea of "pre-emptively preventing them for possibly being rated". My "draconian" idea was preventing answering a question before it hit X positive votes, not preventing people from voting on a Q or an A. — computercarguy 55 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by MisterMiyagi
We manage to reward "good" Qs even though we can't 100% reliably identify the Qs as good. Should we stop doing that as well? The entire point of SO's rating process is that we can't say what is good or bad up-front and must rely on experts to decide; that will never be 100% reliable, nor 100% rule based. — MisterMiyagi 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by computercarguy
@MisterMiyagi, that's exactly my point: if we can't 100% decide what's a bad Question, how can we prevent people from Answering them and getting rewarded for it? And if we have to wait for "experts" to rate a Q as good or bad, how do we ever get any Answers? — computercarguy 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by WestCoastProjects
This is an excellent observation - and one which I had planned to make but at a much less detailed level. There are many questions and answers that are clearly poor. Then there are plenty also that seem poor to some eyes but are justifiably decent to good questions . Sometimes the justifications are added and the "poor question" labels are lifted. Other times the labels remain: SOF is overall an excellent but not a perfect site since none of us who use it are perfect. — WestCoastProjects 28 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by PM 2Ring
Some questions about emojis don't have the emoji tag, eg this one mistakenly calls them emoticons. But it does have the unicode tag. (I guess I could re-tag it, but I'm hesitant to bump a 4 year old question with such a trivial edit). — PM 2Ring 26 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by John Omielan
@PM2Ring Although it's likely not a big deal to you, since you did propose a similar idea to what I wrote in my answer, I've updated it to state this. — John Omielan 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by MisterMiyagi
@computercarguy Why would we prevent them from answering? None of the basic actions on SO rely on prevention, they are always about recovery after content is deemed low quality. So instead of prevention, we assume that people have a basic feeling of good/bad and then try to clean up the remainder as best as we can. With that in mind, again, why would we prevent them from answering? — MisterMiyagi 41 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by PM 2Ring
@John Much appreciated. I just wish animuson or one of the devs would give us some more feedback on this... As you mention in that answer, the Last Seen value was never very accurate anyway, and I always suspected that was both for efficiency and privacy reasons. I used to joke that the Last Seen value is science fiction, not fact. ;) — PM 2Ring 24 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Aaron Bertrand
@J... I agree but you know what a large % of users are just here for the easy win. Will those people end up with a better answer they learned nothing about simply because it is pushed to the top? Most of the time, yes. And that is probably better for them, their employer, their colleagues, and anyone else who is learning from the code they deploy. And it doesn't come at a cost to those that look past the scores or aren't afraid to scroll and learn and absorb because those people are more subjective anyway. — Aaron Bertrand 50 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Bernhard Barker
"really good questions someone might flag because they do not understand the question's implications" - what are "the question's implications", and why should it affect the decision to close? Either the question doesn't meet site guidelines, in which case it should be closed, or it meets site guidelines, and it shouldn't be closed. If a question doesn't meet site guidelines, but the question could be valuable to others, that still doesn't make the question meet site guidelines. There are plenty of other places to post a question that would be valuable to others. 1/2 — Bernhard Barker 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Bernhard Barker
Stack Overflow doesn't have to accept all such questions. Or, perhaps more importantly, the question could be edited to meet site guidelines, or an improved version of it can be posted, which usually also makes it much more useful. Closure is partially intended for that goal (if this weren't the case, we'd just delete questions directly; there'd be no need to close them first). It's probably the reason I use most often to close questions, but many people who object to closure seem to think of it more like some sort of ultimate condemnation of the question instead of "hey, this needs to be edited". 2/2 — Bernhard Barker 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by computercarguy
@MisterMiyagi, the only reason for preventing people from answering is in response to "Why do we reward users for answering bad questions?" We reward them with upvotes, but if they can't answer, we also can't upvote so we won't reward people from answering bad questions. Really, I'm showing just how preposterous it is to try to prevent rewarding people when we don't have a 100% repeatable way to know good vs bad. And with deleting the Question, we remove the rewards, so that negates the original Question anyway. — computercarguy 54 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by MisterMiyagi
And is "preventing people from answering" really the only way to not rewarding them? We could remove answer rep as long as a question is closed. We could remove answer rep as long as a question is rated very negative. And probably stop rewarding answers to bad question even in other ways. What this meta-answer shows as preposterous just isn't what the meta-question is about. — MisterMiyagi 11 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by skomisa
@BitTickler [1] Re "I don't get the downvotes", you are not really addressing the issues raised in the OP. And with hyperbole such as "Closing one door opens 10 others." you are almost begging for downvotes. [2] Adding rules isn't automatically bad (or good). The rules needed should vary according to the complexity of the situation, and so your central argument makes little sense. And your stance seems especially odd coming from a software developer, where dealing with complex situations and edge cases is the norm. — skomisa 45 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by computercarguy
@MisterMiyagi, I wonder how many Q's you've answered that have been closed. I'm sure removing RP after a close would negatively affect pretty much everyone here, but mostly high ranked users, like you. And what number represents "very negative": -3, -5, -10, -20, or something else? That's just another opinion to question it's validity. Also, if we start doing this and people start losing their reputation, they'll simply stop answering all Qs, except for the "obviously good" or old Qs, which basically is useless. Good Qs will get lots of attention on their own w/o fencing people into them. — computercarguy 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by MisterMiyagi
@computercarguy I would gladly give up tons of rep if it means the quality improves. Feel free to wonder how many Qs I've answered that have been closed, but don't think it's something to change my opinion with. — MisterMiyagi 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by MisterMiyagi
@computercarguy There is already a cutoff at which the system starts softly hiding content by making it transparent. AFAIK the score is -3 total. — MisterMiyagi 14 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Scratte
I just checked the profile on @MisterMiyagi. There are 3 duplicates and 1 closed post on the first 5 pages. (I have a user script that puts the status after the title.) That's not a whole lot. But I think your point is valid. It's hard to tell at the time one posts an Answer. — Scratte 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by VLAZ
Ah, the "sweep it under the rug" strategy. — VLAZ 51 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by computercarguy
@MisterMiyagi, maybe not for you, but I have a suspicion other's would have a different opinion. As for "softly hiding content", sure that does something, but there's still valid and upvoted As to those Qs. And for other reasons to close a Q still leaves it with a positive vote with positively voted As. diy.stackexchange.com/questions/234723/…computercarguy 33 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by computercarguy
And you get negatively voted Qs with no reasoning. Example of current -3 vote with no comments: stackoverflow.com/questions/69199177/…computercarguy 32 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by MisterMiyagi
@computercarguy If you want to discuss specific votes, feel free to create a new meta-discussion. Comments are not suitable for that. — MisterMiyagi 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dennis Kozevnikoff
[ Boson ] New comment posted by computercarguy
@MisterMiyagi, I'm not interested in discussing specific votes, I'm showing examples of "bad" Qs that punch holes in the original Q or your suggestions on how to handle them. These "bad" Qs also show how subjective voting can be as well as how answering them, or not, as per the original question would also make it subjective. Not to mention how degraded answerers would be to find out that their rep was removed on Q closure. — computercarguy 22 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Robert Longson
Follow the instructions in the duplicate link at the top of this question. — Robert Longson just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by MisterMiyagi
@computercarguy And I'm arguing that these few examples are meaningless unless one posits a requirement to be 100% accurate. Which is what you discuss, but which is hardly the only way to approach this. I'd much rather try and reach 9X% than give up and accept 0%. — MisterMiyagi 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Hovercraft Full Of Eels
First, you will want to learn that this isn't a "help site" per se, and many new users of the site can become frustrated by not understanding this. It's a question and answer site where both questions and answer quality are moderated by site users. For questions to remain open and be answered, they need to meet site standards (as per the help center link), standards that you'll want to learn well since if too many of your questions are poorly received, the site can ban you from asking further questions, something that you'll agree is best avoided. Good luck. — Hovercraft Full Of Eels 49 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by computercarguy
@MisterMiyagi, I seriously doubt that +90% of SO has agreement as to what's a good vs bad Q. Can you give statistics on 100% upvoted Qs, 100% downvoted Qs, and Qs that have both? I don't know how to do that. I think you'll find out that there's many more Qs with a mix of up and down votes than 100% of either, which would go to show that we don't have enough of a consensus on what's a good vs bad Q to make any meaningful changes to not reward people for answering "bad" Qs. — computercarguy 47 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user4581301
People seemed to do OK learning the fundamentals of programming before the Internet. I think we can go back to that or direct folk that need help at that level to sites that offer a more collaborative/tutoring approach. — user4581301 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by MisterMiyagi
You are the one asking for 100% agreement. Not me. — MisterMiyagi 57 secs ago
 
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