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12:24 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user4581301
And that's a good thing. That you can moderate a webserver does not imply you can moderate humans. Different skillsets and different toolchains. — user4581301 29 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user4581301
If you can write a better question and it gets answered, we'll close the old question as a duplicate. — user4581301 54 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Hovercraft Full Of Eels
@epascarello: I fear that this would bump into a variation of the Scunthorpe ProblemHovercraft Full Of Eels 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
Yeah, humans are much more finicky and have a lot more compatibility problems than your average web server. Fortunately, Stack Overflow's mission is not really to moderate humans, but rather to moderate content. Unfortunately, that's even harder. — Cody Gray ♦ 39 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by cocomac
@epascarello I disagree, but for a different reason. I don't think "auto ban" is a good answer here. Imagine if I posted a poorly written question that looked like this: "Why doesn't the ReGe — cocomac 29 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by kaya3
My suggestion is that you should read through the existing discussions as to what potential problems some of these feature requests have, upvote existing feature requests which you still approve of after reading the discussions about them, and post separate questions about any individual feature requests which you weren't able to find already discussed on meta.kaya3 30 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by cocomac
I agree with @HovercraftFullOfEels I don't think "auto ban" is a good answer here. Imagine if I posted a poorly written question that looked like this: Why doesn't the regex _____ match "🔥🔥555-123-9876🔥🔥 toll free MSFT support ☎️ ☎️"?!?! it doesn't make sense to ban. Is it a bad title? Perhaps. Does "why does my regex not work" warrant a auto ban? Certainly not. It might even be decent question. Of course, in this example, I assume that the OP is asking about the regex, not trying to self-promote or spam. — cocomac 1 min ago
 
 
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2:39 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by epascarello
@cocomac I have not see a title that detailed in ages.... lol "Why no work" seems to be a title most people use. lol — epascarello 25 secs ago
 
3:20 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user3226167
"Big data for business" 13 lectures, no programming prerequisite. Teaches you Python, regression and deep learning. — user3226167 9 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by cocomac
@epascarello I'm not saying it is a good title, I would personally probably downvote. But, I would also not say it warrants an insta-ban — cocomac 28 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Laif
They should learn to use the language they are writing in before trying to use packages for it in my opinion. — Laif 1 min ago
 
4:20 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Daniel Widdis
@Braiam what do you mean? That song makes me feel youngDaniel Widdis 1 min ago
 
4:40 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by iBug
@McAuley Try a browser extension called uBlacklist. Find a decent ruleset on GitHub and you're good to go (like me). — iBug 5 secs ago
 
 
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5:55 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by gnat
@SteveBennett don't they pay you already? or maybe you don't know how to receive their payments, or maybe don't notice. I for one know how to receice it and I do notice. Compared to times when I didn't use it I can clearly see a solid cut of my paycheck coming straight from SO. "To me, Stack Overflow is a tool. I use this tool in my job..."gnat 1 min ago
 
 
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7:44 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jeanne Dark
For what reason? — Jeanne Dark 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by justANewbie
@JeanneDark well, to make it more documented. Maybe someone's keyboard doesn't have a + symbol. — justANewbie 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jeanne Dark
 
8:07 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by justANewbie
Thanks for your answer. I just earned my brand new privilege, and just want to test it (and that + is a joke) — justANewbie 41 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by αλεχολυτ
I understand the reason why one person may increase view count several times (in a wide date range). But I can't understand why simply refreshing the page allows me to increase the view count by 3 and then stops. Why not just one (1) new view per user in an hour for instance? If it stops on 3 then there is some code for it already, just change 3 to 1. — αλεχολυτ 32 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Juraj
but they already put a bounty on the question — Juraj 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Juraj
but they already put a bounty on the question — Juraj 58 secs ago
 
8:45 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
Tag creation is not a very fun or useful privilege. Most of the tags that need to exist here already do exist, save perhaps for the release of some brand-new library or other tech. Don't get too eager to use them. — Cody Gray ♦ 13 secs ago
 
9:15 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Gimby
"Are you tired of running into deprecated code in the highest voted answers on Stack Overflow" - no, not really. Wisdom dictates that you look at all answers. Research takes time, it's just the way it is. — Gimby 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Trilarion
"if the author's intent cannot be determined unambiguously..." Basically what is left is to determine if the author's intent can be determined unambiguously for this question. Maybe this could be added to the answer. — Trilarion 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Gimby
@charlietfl making feature requests would be a little hasty indeed, but asking questions is exactly what you should never be stopped from doing on meta. — Gimby 52 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Gimby
So you are trying to create a taskbar replacement by... taking elements from the taskbar you are replacing? — Gimby 16 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Gimby
I must say... you handled the edit quite well, I don't think it conflicts with anything at all. Too bad a little fluff text was needed to make it clear but you do what you have to do. — Gimby 1 min ago
 
10:27 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tadeusz Kopec
"Nobody programming in C++ manages to do so without a plus key on their keyboard." I thought about suggesting a trigraph, but there is no trigraph for plus sign. — Tadeusz Kopec 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TheMaster
You could, but you shouldn't. — TheMaster 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Braiam
"Some common reasons to edit are" that list is not exhaustive. The "Any time you feel you can make the post better, and are inclined to do so. Editing is encouraged!" sentence includes anything that improves the post. — Braiam 38 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TheMaster
So, if they don't follow attribution requirements, can you sue? — TheMaster 1 min ago
 
10:47 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TheMaster
Why didn't you accept the answer that helped you the most then? If you had accepted it, it's as if the answer also belongs to you in a sharing sense(not legal) and SO prevents authors from deleting accepted answers. — TheMaster 51 secs ago
 
11:00 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Gimby
Stack Overflow is a collaborative effort. You should never reason from the perspective of what you want, you should always reason from the perspective of what do my peers want. The most important signal here is that even today in 2021 there is no tag named cplusplus. I can assure you that this is not because everyone just through epic coincidence completely forgot about it. — Gimby 35 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Gimby
@0___________ "It makes no sense in my opinion". Yes okay but did you try to answer for yourself why the lock-in was implemented in the first place? This whole meta post reads like "I don't like it so I want it gone". But the people who built the site are not stupid (disclaimer: this is a feature from long ago, this does not reflect my opinion of changes being done lately...), surely it's there for a valid reason, right? Feature requests work a lot better if they come from a good foundation - understanding. — Gimby 21 secs ago
 
11:22 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Braiam
@DanielWiddis kids these days, don't know the history. I was about a wee bit old when it came out youtube.com/watch?v=vuo8kD5zF5IBraiam 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user16320675
How do you write programs (in C++ or similar) without a + key? — user16320675 9 secs ago
 
12:07 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ch3steR
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Gimby
There is no such burden. The latest version will work just fine. — Gimby 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by 0___________
@Gimby I usually do not think about spammers and other reputation fight idiots, because I simply never do it. A bit naive probably. — 0___________ 13 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by HopefullyHelpful
@Gimby is this the case in every programming language? And will this be the case for all java version in the future? Also old questions might use functionality that has become obsolete and is discouraged of being used right now. — HopefullyHelpful 39 secs ago
 
12:29 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by HopefullyHelpful
@Gimby Also we're not talking only about language versions, but also library versions for questions and answer which are about libraries, and I know 100% that a lot of old opengl code here on SO doesn't work because it's native primitive code not for the the newer versions which only support shader code and programms. — HopefullyHelpful 27 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by 0___________
@Gimby Gimby please comment only on what I wrote not what you think I had in mind. Never said that people running this site are stupid. I have the right to have my opinion and I still think that people having a high reputation should not have this restriction. Trust me, after gaining some reputation you will not care about points — 0___________ 28 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by 0___________
I understand the reason, but I think this restriction should be only for people having a lower reputation. I have not seen anyonehavin rep > 15000 to abuse the system this way — 0___________ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Gimby
"Downvoting the answer is pretty useless -- the answerer has a rep of 1" - ai ai ai, you downvote to punish. Not cool. — Gimby 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Robert Longson
Erm, given you can't do this at all regardless of rep, it's not surprising you've not seen anyone having high reputation abusing the system in this way. — Robert Longson 38 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Security Hound
@Ike - At the end of the day you still choose the incorrect review response, better care to view the question in another tab, might have prevented that from happening. It’s unusual to be in a situation where you are review banned after one failed audit. It means you failed numerous audits in the past. — Security Hound 21 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Pranab
A tangential observation; when someone replies with code or even a suggestion, it might not be the best idea to dismiss it with a simple "this doesn't seem to work for me". They have sunk in the time already and are most likely to respond further if you give accurate error messages or explain in detail what is not working or what you need further. — Pranab 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ike
@SecurityHound - indeed that is sth I learned now: to watch a post outside the review - especially if it is about a bug. Yes, I have been banned several times - and as I said in my post: I never understood why - maybe my understanding differs too much from SO algorithm standards ... that's ok. But as I already said: I doubt I will do reviews again. — Ike 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Security Hound
@Ike - You could always open up questions in another tab, avoid failing reviews, and skipping any review your not positive — Security Hound 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by MisterMiyagi
How exactly would that work in practice? Would answerers have to test through all libraries to find out the minimum of each? How would they know the maximum version to begin with? — MisterMiyagi 50 secs ago
 
1:19 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by MisterMiyagi
You probably intended to post this on Stack Overflow, not its meta site. However, please do not upload images of code/errors when asking a question. Very likely the question would need other details as well to be answerable. — MisterMiyagi 22 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by mdfst13
@Juraj The solution to that (in this case) would be to link to the new question from the old question, referring the person requesting the MCVE to the new question. — mdfst13 29 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ike
@SecurityHound ... in the end this is kind of cheating - isn't it? And it is the opposite of what Jeanne Dark wrote in her comment: "Judge the posts on their own merits, not based on comments or votes (upvotes not always reflect post quality or suitability for SO)" ... reading this again the part in the brackets supports somehow what Erik A wrote :-/ — Ike 7 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
Closing as "This question was caused by a problem that can no longer be reproduced or a simple typographical error. While similar questions may be on-topic here, this one was resolved in a manner unlikely to help future readers."Peter Mortensen 44 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by mdfst13
@Juraj Note that this answer says "would have been". The presumption is that the question is about the general practice, not this specific case, as the question asks "is it appropriate" not "what should I do now?" Both of the current answers are essentially implying that it was inappropriate to bounty a question without an MCVE. The later inappropriate edit is only a symptom of that. And while it sucks to waste a bounty, it's not exactly the end of the world. There is nothing stopping the OP from placing bounties on both questions (except potentially not enough reputation). — mdfst13 18 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
 
1:45 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Security Hound
How is it cheating if you do it for every review? Audits were designed to be passed, the algorithm, select candidate that are so obvious 99% of the time. @Jeanne basically indicated that your review wasn’t accurate, and the question was obviously about how to solve a problem, one that was within scope. I would agree based on the revision you indicated you reviewed. — Security Hound 10 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Spevacus
Cross-site bug report on this problem: meta.stackexchange.com/q/207378/622284 From way back in 2013 no less. — Spevacus 36 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jeanne Dark
Relevant: This review is obviously an audit. Is this a bug?, There is no shame in using "Skip". The purpose of audits is to catch robo-reviewers. Already noticing that a review may be an an audit shows that you did pay attention and not mindlessly clicked something like "Looks ok". My remark about judging posts on their own merit is about non-audits. Just a warning, because people upvote off-topic questions or NAAs, or comment that an on-topic question was off-topic, to name a few examples. — Jeanne Dark 1 min ago
 
2:12 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Erik A
Does this answer your question? Code Editing: Tab and Shift+Tab Indention (putting Unique in the title doesn't make it not a duplicate...) — Erik A 27 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jeanne Dark
No, it isn't. That's not what Stack Overflow is for. — Jeanne Dark 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Gimby
Use Stack Overflow as intended, not as you please. — Gimby 14 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
@ErikA pretty underwhelming duplicate chain with no overly useful answers to be honest. — rene 57 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Erik A
@rene Huh? I see answers discussing userscripts to get tab + shift tab indenting in the final target. The direct target is nearly identical with Ctrl K being discussed in the comments. If this one is not a duplicate then that one wasn't either — Erik A 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Larnu
Unless you're seriously planning to release the language for the public to use prior to asking the question, I don't see how such a question would be useful or helpful to the question. It's a fake question, about a fake scenario about a fake language. Such a question can't be answered by anyone else, and would not be useful to anyone else; as no one else is ever going to use said fake language. if you want to use a question and answer on Stack Overflow, perhaps look for an existing one, and somehow incorporate that into your language. — Larnu 27 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
You don't need userscripts to unindent lines. It is a nice addition, not an answer to this or the other question. — rene 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Erik A
@rene Okay, meta.stackoverflow.com/q/284967/7296893 might be a better duplicate, it discusses that point — Erik A 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
Definitely related. — rene 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Makyen
Of the four required tags, you're only missing the support. Having multiple of those tags with conflicting meaning make it unclear what you're really asking here. Are you really asking for an explanation as to why? If so, are you wanting the information from a technical standpoint (i.e. that question WebSocket notifications that are about your own actions are ignored, presumably under the assumption that they have already been applied to the post), or from a UX design POV? Or, are you really looking to have it changed (i.e. that this is really a bug or feature-request)? — Makyen ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Gimby
If I define "paying attention" for myself, it has a large overlap with "not making decisions based on incomplete data". I can't speak for others, but I can't usually make review decisions with only what I see in the review screen, I need to scan everything. Context matters, and discussions in comments and other existing answers can provide that context. Sometimes even the post edit history. — Gimby 34 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Gimby
As a practical example, recently there was a discussion about Vulkan questions being very hard to provide example code for. If I would see such a question in review my gut feeling might be that a question needs to be closed for lacking debugging details. However if I then see the comments or maybe even existing answers which have no problem understanding the question, because other Vulkan devs know that their world is different, I will without hesitation ignore my gut and hit skip. — Gimby 24 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zoe
@cocomac at best you could say it's a disallowed title, but these spammers have already demonstrated they're capable of abusing unicode. Even if we did somehow find the "ultimate regex" for detecting these titles, odds are they'll either find some other obscure and uncovered unicode character, or just... not include it in the title when they're blocked. The point being, I have to agree that title restrictions isn't really a viable strategy here. Whoever these spammers are, they're more sophisticated than your regular spammer, and I sadly have no doubt they'll get around it. They're already(1/2 — Zoe ♦ 22 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zoe
periodically getting past SmokeDetector, and based on the volume, it seems they've found ways around the automatic IP-based ban systems. I'd love to see some functional and effective ways to block it, but a system block based on title regex isn't the solution for this particular wave. Unfortunately, because it's by far the easiest and fastest option to use — Zoe ♦ 11 secs ago
 
3:32 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by HopefullyHelpful
You just give the current version of the language you're using and optionally provide the current version of relevant libraries in your code. People that need an answer in a certain version can then see at a glance if any answer is in the necessary version range and if not they can ask a version for a specific version range. — HopefullyHelpful 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Gimby
comments don't auto-update do they? That would basically be it. They didn't build it. — Gimby 15 secs ago
 
3:49 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Erik A
Eh... If you prefer smooth scrolling everywhere, why not change that in your browser settings? I see no reason Stack Overflow specifically needs this. If I click a link, I expect to be taken to that content immediately, but the great thing is that if you want something different, you can just configure your browser that way. — Erik A 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Gimby
No thank you. Smooth scrolling is a flashy feature and flashy features belong on flashy websites. — Gimby 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
I mean, so is sticky headers, but, here we are — Kevin B 50 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by MrMythical
@Gimby close votes don't either — MrMythical 36 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by MisterMiyagi
But "the current version" isn't a version range. It's very likely neither the minimum nor maximum version compatible. In the end, people would have to check whether it works for them anyway. — MisterMiyagi 25 secs ago
 
4:17 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Larnu
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Larnu
Honestly, I'm starting to think that simply blocking emoticons in the the title would more or less be enough right now. Emoticons have very minimal correct use on the site as it it, and they certainly don't belong in the title. That might block at least some of the crap we're getting. If the Emoticon is really important, it can be in the content of the post. — Larnu 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Makoto
@Juraj: I don't see how that's relevant here — Makoto 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Makoto
@0___________: I mean, if the edit is a necessary and appropriate edit, it's hardly abuse. It's an unpleasant workaround, sure, so seeing people make silly/trivial edits just because they want to undo a vote is not a normal or typical use case. — Makoto 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by greg-449
This is just spam, there is an ongoing large spam attack at the moment. Flag as spam. — greg-449 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user438383
omg thanks, I was forever c&p'ing code into a text editor to de-indent it. — user438383 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by BSMP
Your question doesn’t actually explain why the default browser behavior is a problem. — BSMP 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Gimby
@KevinB nah, it doesn't animate. — Gimby 5 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TGrif
I prefer abrupt jump, no wasted time. — TGrif 34 secs ago
 
5:42 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Heretic Monkey
You should make sure to do a lot of research (even outside of Stack Overflow) and show that research in the question. The process of collating that research into a question may very well lead you to the answer. — Heretic Monkey 1 min ago
 
6:07 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Trilarion
"should I just use one question to explain the purpose of the questions and then ask a couple related questions in one" It might then get closed as needs more focus. Small packets are better. And "should I again reference the same project" give context but only as much as necessary. If you ask about a small detail you may not need to write down or link to the whole story, just a bit of context is enough. — Trilarion 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Juraj
maybe just I would expect answers to address it, because the Help Center has "If you see a question that has not gotten a satisfactory answer, a bounty may help attract more attention and more answers". and then it ends like this. — Juraj 18 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Makoto
@Juraj: In general, sure, but in this specific case (or this specific class of cases), it's more than preferable to ask your own question and bounty that one if you have to, especially if the question you bountied lacks context or code and is more susceptible to being closed for that reason. — Makoto 46 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Anon Coward
Please no, mostly because I don't want to have to figure out how to write some user-side js to get rid of such a feature — Anon Coward 36 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Juraj
yes that is what I miss in the answer — Juraj 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Spevacus
 
6:52 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Reverin
I think the StackOverflow should mention the meta whenever adding it to the question title — Reverin 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Reverin
Thank you very much — Reverin 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user16320675
some long time ago, it was kind of consensus (at least for a number of very active members) that StackOverflow was meant to be the site that you find if using Google... Now kind of vice-versa ?! — user16320675 1 min ago
 
7:25 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
@user16320675 not quite sure what you're getting at here. It's most certainly not the opposite, most traffic comes from external search, and external search is better than site search even when looking for something you know is on site. — Kevin B 9 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user16320675
@Kevin seems like (some) SO is (are) interested in sending people to Google, instead of having Google send them to SO — user16320675 18 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
Yes, that's fact. When you want someone to do the bare minimum research, google is typically the place you send people to. That's not new. — Kevin B 52 secs ago
 
8:27 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Elikill58
If I well understand, the feature request is to make the page scrol from top to the mentionned question ? — Elikill58 8 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
@Elikill58 smoothly, yes. It already scrolls to that position, this change would make the the page "smoothly" scroll from the top to the targeted location, rather than just directly going to the targeted location. — Kevin B 1 min ago
 
8:55 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Makoto
Shortage of people in the queues sounds plausible. Wouldn't know myself since I haven't been in there since they were introduced. — Makoto 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jeanne Dark
Does this answer your question? Suggested edit queue is fullJeanne Dark 58 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
shortage of reviewers, lots of unnecessary edits, — Kevin B 1 min ago
 
9:19 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by nbk
th shortage of reviewers is tributed to the system and bans, ll changes and clarification hadn't help so far — nbk 19 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Heretic Monkey
Any answers would be supposition or guesswork. It happens. Find something else to do? — Heretic Monkey 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
Earn some rep and be the solution. — Kevin B 17 secs ago
 
9:44 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jeanne Dark
[ Boson ] New comment posted by CherryDT
No it doesn't, because this is not for emphasis. — CherryDT 38 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
it doesn't matter what it's for, thems the guidelines overall — Kevin B 27 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by charlietfl
Breaking the word "constant" up doesn't make sense to me. The fact that it contains const doesn't seem relevant. The context is that it is a word — charlietfl 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by CherryDT
const is code. "constant" is a word. Writing "constant" allows us to shorten "make it constant using const" to "make it constant" while still making it obvious that we refer to using the const keyword to achieve making it constant. — CherryDT 48 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by greg-449
There are also a lot of suggested edits (many of them poor). There have been 1,060 reviews done on suggested edits so far today with 12 people doing the maximum of 40 reviews. — greg-449 51 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
This for example: "you can do that by taking your usersArray and mapping it to each user's name". usersArray is iffy, as, Yes, that's a variable and technically code, it isn't necessary... but not wrong, but "maping" is wrong, as mapping is an action, not code (and breaking a word in half that way is awful) — Kevin B 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by CherryDT
map is code though, and I even linked the method in question. it is just overlayed onto the the word "mapping". — CherryDT 43 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
Yes, however, your usage of it is not code, it's concept. — Kevin B 28 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
Similarly, "var" in variable isn't code formatted for javascript, neither is "const" when you say "constant". It's useless noise at that point. — Kevin B 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by CherryDT
Well by that logic, writing "using the map method" is also still a concept... I mean, clearly I can see your opinion is that it's bad style, and I accept that, that's why I asked this question, but I still don't quite agree with where the line seems to be drawn here. — CherryDT 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
I'd argue map in that scenario also doesn't need to be code formatted. (just as it doesn't in this comment, as i'm not discussing code) — Kevin B 42 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by CherryDT
Hm. I see what you mean, but if I assume the reader knows that mapping can be done with the map method, I wouldn't code-format it anyway. The way I used it so far was to turn the attention towards the fact that there is in fact a method called map that can be used to map stuff. Another example would be something like "You have to await your promise" as opposed to "You have to await your promise using the await keyword". In my eyes the latter is just... awkward and I would see that as unnecessarily noisy. Things like "mapping" is just an extension of that. — CherryDT 31 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
it isn't necessary to distinguish between await and await in a sentence about await. code formatting is optional there in both cases. — Kevin B 17 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick
mapping I would consider acceptable because it is actually a function (although I'd prefer "using map" or similar). I would consider constant totally unacceptable. — Nick 14 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by chris neilsen
@CherryDT I'd argue that your Q is a duplicate of that Q, and the accepted A tells you that it is OK to sometimes use code highlighting as you are, and that you will get disagreement on where the grey fuzzy line is — chris neilsen 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by CherryDT
Hm, the only reason I'm disputing this being a duplicate is because I feel that this way a proper gathering of opinions is hindered, and my whole point was to shed some light onto that grey fuzzy area... I mean, there was no real answer to my question "was the edit warranted and/or would a rollback be warranted?" yet, so what I gather from what you said is essentially that the edit wasn't warranted, but since it's such a grey area, a rollback wouldn't be warranted either...? — CherryDT 36 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
It's a perfect scenario to prove why we need edits/reviews handled by people: it needs an amount of opinion/subjectivity to work even if it could be automated. — Kevin B 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
It’s not a gray area. Parts of words that happen to match code identifiers are not code. Code formatting should be used for code, not to highlight parts of natural language words. — yivi 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by CherryDT
@yivi OK but now that's the point I don't understand. Is "using the map method" acceptable? If it is, why does it suddenly become not acceptable if - to turn this around - the method name happens to also be part of a word that makes grammatical sense? Perhaps the await thing is a stronger example of my point. The way I see it: If something is both code and language, the union of their (positive) properties should apply — CherryDT 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
Because a word that happens to have the same letters as code arranged in the same order isn't code. — Kevin B 24 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by CherryDT
Your last example is nonsensical though. It's just random backticks with zero meaning. Mine isn't. app has nothing to do with "happens", neither does let have anything to do with letters or arr with arranging anything. Nobody reading that sentence would understand that you'd want them to use the app gizmo to have something happen or to refer to the individual letters in their string using the let wunderwuzzi etc.... — CherryDT 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
And wrapping await in an inline codeblock does nothing to help readability, regardless of whether you're saying use await or simply using it as part of an explanation. The sentence itself makes it clear what meaning was meant. — Kevin B 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by zcoop98
This post belongs on the Main site, not here. This site is Stack Overflow's Meta site. — zcoop98 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by CherryDT
Are you saying that it's a mistake to expect a reader to understand that the use of the backticks around "await" was supposed to tell them that the thing they need to use (keyword, function, whatever - some "code thing") is also called "await"? If that's the case then - yeah I guess it's only noise at that point, since it wouldn't contribute any extra information as I intended. — CherryDT 44 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Walter Clayton
thank you I will delete and repost — Walter Clayton 19 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
in-line code ticks should be used in places where it will aid readability. it can also be used generally for any bit of the sentence that is actually code, such as "you should use await". there's no, rule, that states you must always use it for code in sentences, nor one saying you shouldn't, or shouldn't use it more than n times, it's a case-by-case basis. Always approach it from the view of readability. codeblocks are presented in a different font meant to make code easier to read, but it doesn't make sentences easier to read. — Kevin B 52 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Travis J
To note, making revenue is entirely different than making a profit. This feature undoubtedly is in the red. The question is... is it worth it to lose money and harm the community with the sole intent of creating more revenue? At some point there will be no more savings left, and no more profit left, with which to inflate revenue. That is when they will sell. It is the true colors of a poorly run company bent on only making itself and its interests more money; and it is written all over this current set of people. — Travis J 15 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
IMO, your example would be far easier to read this way: "You're trying to call a non-const function identity_t::operator[] on a const parameter in const function long hash_identity_t::operator( const identity_t& x ). Make identity_t::operator[] constant.". The code is code formatted, the explanation is not. — Kevin B 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by CherryDT
Thank you, I guess it comes down the individual perception of readability. It seems you perceive this very differently from how I do. Hence I do value all those inputs because if I learn today that with this for most people the intended message doesn't come across and instead it worsens the readability for them, then that means I'm missing my goal by writing things this way and I should reconsider. — CherryDT 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Travis J
"remove the Articles/Q&A Overlap"... in other words, disassociate this from Stack Overflow. Agree. It should be its own feature. It should have its own department in the company. In reality, something like this, a departure from the core design of the software, should really be its own project with a separate manager. The thing is, that's not going to happen, because this project would never survive in the wild; with enough protection it will maybe survive here, but there will be no thriving for this feature, just a money pit. — Travis J 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
"It should have its own department in the company" it kinda does? this isn't a community team project, it's a product team project. But besides semantics, my goal was more, making articles "useful" by making them not just a far worse version of Q&A. Articles serve the same purpose as Q&A, just in a different way. They're more of the form like a knowledgebase, what SO Docs tried to be. It doesn't lend itself well to being a collaborative effort or being well moderated/curated/kept up to date which is why i'd rather they be cut off from that purpose entirely. — Kevin B 31 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
Because articles can't be easily disputed, or "replaced" by better answers in the same way Q&A can, and how they're generally controlled by a paying customer, IMO, they should exist outside of the Q&A box entirely. They shouldn't be treated as equal or solving a similar purpose, they should be more or less a blog and restricted heavily to only being used by the paying customer and not being treated as if they're some kind of extension to Q&A. We tried the knowledge-base thing with SO Docs and found that the Q&A format was superior. — Kevin B 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Journeyman Geek
Well - that's nothing new . Careers was pretty much a lot of that. The problem is less "they're product placement" and more the potential for "its shovelware no one likes cause folks are clueless on how this place works" — Journeyman Geek 54 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
and... by useful, i mean, not inherently useless. Right out of the gate, making another content form that's effectively a wiki without all the good things that comes with a wiki and then expecting it to somehow compliment Q&A is going to fail. Either spectacularly, or by people simply not using it. If it was instead treated as a blog for that company, all of a sudden there's a use for it that doesn't compete with Q&A. While that use wouldn't be useful to everyone, it'd at the very least not be useless. — Kevin B 1 min ago
 

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