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4:00 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Heretic Monkey
I think you hit the nail on the head with "my custom flag could have been more detailed with why I thought the question is off topic". At first sight, it looks a poorly-written, poorly-researched, but on-topic question. — Heretic Monkey 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Pavlo Morozov
@Makoto I checked the links you provided, thank you. I believe you misunderstood me. This is not about like/dislike answers you posted. Links you added not answer my question, sorry. Look yourself: "if your comment is deleted may be some one has flagged them" - this is not an answer but a guess. Think for a moment, we have already 3 duplicates candidates to my question. Is not this odd? Are these 3 not duplicate each other? I not sure may be my question is too difficult to understand, but I will try to help with this. Can you specify what you see wrong or not clear in particular? — Pavlo Morozov 42 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Bender the Greatest
I understand the sentiment, but if an answer really only requires a short blurb, an answer is still appropriate. Let the system work the way it's designed. Sometimes the correct answer comes after a fun game of 20 questions in the comments, but even in this case you can hit the minimum character count by answering with: "As mentioned/discussed in the comments, your issue is BLAH BLAH BLAH and the answer is SO ON AND SO FORTH." Beyond that, I don't understand why users (especially high rep users) feel the need to answer in the comments; it works against the design of SO and SE on the whole. — Bender the Greatest 23 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Makoto
@PavloMorozov: The question when all comments are deleted is, "Why?" The answer is always, "Because." This is what was covered in this answer which you claimed to read. You may not like the answer, but it is the answer. — Makoto 13 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Pavlo Morozov
@Scratte Yes, this is really confusing and annoying, but thanks. Sometimes I feel like some of moderators really not read questions/comments before mark duplicate. Some of moderators could be just not qualified enough to understand what they read. If would I ask moderator for his actions it could help me to make my posts better as well. — Pavlo Morozov 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jeanne Dark
It might also have been useful to mention in the flag text why such an old question needed to be closed immediately and you couldn't wait to flag it normally after the bounty ended. No moderator involvement was necessary. — Jeanne Dark 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by MisterMiyagi
Am I the only one who doesn't even get the question? UTF8 strings are binary data. — MisterMiyagi 14 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by spicy.dll
@HereticMonkey I agree and I will definitely at a minimum give a brief description of my reasoning from now on. However, I do not feel like this question is so indisputably on topic to warrant a flag reviewer to ask if I'm joking. — spicy.dll 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Krupip
Maybe Zoe and Stephen will complement each-other out, one spending too much time on meta, and the other not spending enough. — Krupip 36 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Andy2K11
Given the Q&A nature of SO I would lean towards removing ambiguity. A statement such as "This is the most optimal solution I've found" would at least give some indication as to what the opinion was based on so you could make your own judgement. That, of course, would require input from the OP. — Andy2K11 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Braiam
Do we need either? — Braiam 58 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Scratte
Here's another post you may find interesting. Jon Clements Answer to (Why was my comment deleted?)[meta.stackoverflow.com/a/368426/12695027] Note the "We generally don't scrutinise some comment flags too hard". Also keep in mind that most curating is done by regular users, not Moderators. Posts being closed is usually not done by moderators. — Scratte 34 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Pavlo Morozov
@Makoto you seems like ignore what I wrote and duplicate your own comments. Let's put it other way. If you not like question it is still a question. Your comments too general to bring value or help me to understand particular reason for each comment. You keep bringing something a kind of "Why? Because!" without any explanation. If you have nothing to add, then why to bother at all? — Pavlo Morozov 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Makoto
@PavloMorozov: I see that the nuance of this sentiment of the English language isn't quite getting through - that's not your fault. I'll make it clear. Comments can be deleted at any time, for any reason. Comments have no expectation of longevity or survival on the site. They are only post-it notes which can be deleted or removed at the community, the original poster's, or moderator's discretion. Again, you may not like that answer, but it is the answer. — Makoto 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
it may actually be true... today. but knowing that tiny bit of information isn't useful. — Kevin B 13 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by spicy.dll
@JeanneDark That's certainly fair. I honestly didn't notice how old the question was when I flagged it. I have been focusing on bountied questions mainly because I felt that these are questions that newer users would see first to get an impression of what questions are good. I felt that having off topic or badly formed questions in the bounty tab reinforces that these questions are ok. Maybe my "bounty crusade" efforts are misplaced... — spicy.dll 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Pavlo Morozov
@Scratte yes I saw this one. While it not answers my question it is useful. I see there moderator undeleted comments, so I thought posting question like this one can lead to some kind of moderator check. Thanks for your time. — Pavlo Morozov 9 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Heretic Monkey
The "bug" is the user trying to use comments for multiline indented code... — Heretic Monkey 50 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
eh, well, the issue is mods are unlikely to take action if the bounty has been up for more than a day, for fear of giving the user that day of advertising for free. — Kevin B 5 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
In this case, because the question and a few answers are upvoted, there's little chance it'll get removed regardless of whether or not it's on topic. — Kevin B 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by ggorlen
Anyone involved in programming for even a short time should know that "optimal"/"best" are very strong statements, rarely attained or proven. On what grounds, exactly, can you prove something is definitively the best or the most efficient (etc)? Even if something is proven to be the optimal/best, it's often supplanted in the future. Such statements always require supporting evidence. The massive number of answers that say "this is the best solution" without any proof suggests that it's a cultural shorthand for "here's the answer that I prefer", and little more, throughout most of SO. — ggorlen 18 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by ggorlen
Upvotes don't necessarily mean upvoters agree with the statement; they might have just found the code useful. — ggorlen 29 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by spicy.dll
@KevinB Good to know. It would have been more useful to me if the decline message represented this fact, however. The message indicated to me that this flag was declined due to the question actually being on topic, rather than not worth their time. — spicy.dll 7 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Trilarion
@ggorlen Sure, but maybe it also means that they agree with the statement. Would you rather simply remove it? — Trilarion 27 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
I'd rather just leave my vote, if I disagree with their assertion that the solution is "the best". — Kevin B 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by ggorlen
I'd prefer if such statements never existed. I'd love to remove them, along with a lot of other baseless statements often made in answers, but I feel that it's overreach for non-community wiki answers, where edits should strive to preserve OP's intent foremost. I downvote, take it with a grain of salt, and/or add a comment prompting for an explanation, and hope people will (someday) elevate the rigor of their answers (not gonna happen). — ggorlen 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Trilarion
@ggorlen "I mostly downvote..." So in case that not many people did the same and there are lots of upvotes instead it may mean that people voted the statement true filling it with meaning. — Trilarion 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by ggorlen
Well, they're certainly entitled to do that. — ggorlen 25 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
It's almost as if the system was designed for that purpose — Kevin B 35 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by tink
@silencedogood - Heh. That is an interesting choice of words: who's who, though? I can see both of those matching my plea to get rid of cuft. "purist" in that it gets rid of off-topic stuff, "utilitarian" in that it reduces the efforts I (have to?) put into cleaning up daily messes. — tink 27 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Makyen
@Scratte gives the most likely reason for downvotes here, IMO. However, in general, voting on any of the Meta sites is different than on the main sites. On Meta sites, votes much more strongly represent people's agreement or disagreement with the position expressed in the post, rather than just an expression of people's opinion on the quality of the post, although they can also reflect that. As a consequence, downvotes on Meta should not be automatically considered to mean that there are problems with the post. On the other hand, it doesn't hurt to double-check that the post quality is good. — Makyen ♦ 13 secs ago
 
4:55 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tom
If it hasn't been said before: you can update your edit as long as it hasn't been completely reviewed. So you can edit the post a second time and fix other issues you find some. When there is nothing else to fix in the post, then just wait for the edit to be rejected. Like the answer said, it isn't too bad when you only have a few rejected edits. — Tom 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Makyen
@Trilarion I expect the primary reason candidate score is such a strong predictor of voting is that most voters don't spend a lot of time evaluating the candidates. A large number of voters probably spend very little time and likely look primarily, or even almost only, at the candidate score. The percentage of users which take the time to read all, or most, of the questionnaires is probably quite low. While higher, the number that read even most candidate statements is probably not high. A large percentage of people will use the easiest way to evaluate candidates: the candidate score. — Makyen ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by SherylHohman
Well, questions about 3rd party library recommendations are also off topic for StackOverflow. So the question should be closed. But also, link-only answers should be closed regardless of the question. True, the best option is to simply flag the question itself. That handles all the issues. — SherylHohman 1 min ago
 
5:37 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Donald Duck
[ Boson ] New comment posted by VLAZ
"this question was first Dupe-hammered" I see three regular votes on it. — VLAZ 32 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
Tweaked the question a little to prevent confusion :D — Cerbrus 14 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
(Imho, this question is about feature support for TypeScript (and by extension JS), more than it's about regexes themselves) — Cerbrus 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Scratte
I don't see how that new duplicate target answers the Question. — Scratte 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Makoto
@Cerbrus: Exactly, that's the nuance that's lost in a generic dupe closure just about regexes. So it should likely stay open, in my assessment. — Makoto 26 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by MrMythical
@BSMP unfortunately I can't right now since I only have 101 rep (from association bonus) and it won't let me put an answer — MrMythical 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by silencedogood
@tink The utilitarian doctrine adheres to the principal that an idea is right insofar as it promotes happiness, and that the greatest happiness of the greatest number of the community should be the guiding principle of conduct. The fact that your stance may reduce the efforts needed to complete your daily tasks does not grant you access into that club, and is in fact more akin to individualism. Your definitely the purist, and a convincing adherent to boot! :-) — silencedogood 39 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Metro Smurf
After reading the question and answer, I feel like I just picked up another problem in my life. — Metro Smurf 39 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dalija Prasnikar
I am not an expert, but this seems like very specific question with very specific answer that explains error. I wouldn't dupe close it unless there is another question asking about same error directly. — Dalija Prasnikar just now
 
6:05 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
"We don't delete duplicates" eh, not strictly true, there is a point where a duplicate question is so low quality that it can't even be a useful sign post. (though i don't believe that applies here, the delete votes are likely just an effort to prevent reopening.) I don't actually see any current delete votes on the question. — Kevin B 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by spicy.dll
Thank you for the answer. I have gone through my pending flags and retracted the ones flagged for mods due to bounties (most of the bounties expired already anyway). In the future, I will wait to flag until the bounty expires unless the question is worth bugging the mods for without the bounty. Although I feel questions that are to be bountied should go through a review queue or something to ensure low quality questions don't get advertised. I feel like the damage has been done once the bounty expires. — spicy.dll 20 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by cigien
@KevinB There was one when this meta was posted. It appears to be retraced now. — cigien 5 secs ago
 
6:22 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by VLAZ
@cigien just to clarify - 20k users can del-vote questions with a score of -3. But since the score is now -2, that ability is removed. Now 20k users are bound by the 10k restriction on del-votes - only when the question is 2 days old. — VLAZ 29 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by cigien
@VLAZ Ah yes, that's correct. The different criteria for <20k slipped my mind. — cigien 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Cordes
@TylerH: Some examples of useful comments getting moved to chat (and users commenting that future readers should go look): Why does malloc() call mmap() and brk() interchangeably? / Are loads and stores the only instructions that gets reordered?. Fortunately Samuel Liew has been less aggressive lately about nuking long but interesting/useful comment threads. — Peter Cordes 52 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by tink
@silencedogood; why, thank you, kind person. :). In that case we (stackexchange?) should maybe get rid of the rules around what's on topic, widen them to "things with a historical precedent are on-topic" ... my experience as parent suggests that making rules you can't/won't enforce is pointless. As it stands I'm feeling overwhelmed daily by the influx of off-topic posts, and I'm sure I'm not the only one feeling like that. And still so many slip through, which pop up when a new poster points at something that got asked only months ago and wasn't closed. How about a "cake recipe" tag? ;) — tink 15 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Craig Estey
(1) "this is the most optimal solution" --> (2) "this is probably the most optimal solution" --> (3) "this is the most optimal solution, IMO" Here (2)/(3) are just expressing an opinion. But, (1) can also be viewed as expressing an opinion. And, the author [or others] may offer several possible solutions, and then (1) becomes even less "egregious", because of context. — Craig Estey 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by StoryTeller - Unslander Monica
You know, I don't want to stir drama or throw ad-hominems around, but something just rubs me the wrong way about a SME who nukes questions and has their profile point at a place to book a session with them. Circumstantial, but terrible optics. — StoryTeller - Unslander Monica 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Trilarion
@CraigEstey This may well be a quite good if not optimal solution, at the very least a solution if it is one and in case it's the only one then definitely also the optimal one, I think, perhaps. — Trilarion 51 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Trilarion
@KevinB in principle you can claim anything in an answer. The validity of that is determined by the score. It gets tricky if more than one distinct answer claims to be the optimal solution. The alternative would be that we require that all statements made anywhere must be backed up properly. There might not be much left, but it might be solid as a rock. — Trilarion 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Craig Estey
@Trilarion Everything one posts is just an opinion. Except that one [of course]. Ironic, no? — Craig Estey 6 secs ago
 
7:14 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TylerH
@PeterCordes Moving to chat is not an issue; they are still accessible. The discussion above seems to be about "removing" (read: deleting) comments, instead. — TylerH 42 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
Moving to chat has the same effect as deleting — Kevin B 38 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Makyen
As to there being different error text presented for a similar issue, that such things exist is one of the reasons we have duplicates, so that people looking for a problem using different keywords will be directed to a solution which has already been supplied on another question. So, in the general case, that different error text is produced doesn't justify that it's not a duplicate. If it is a duplicate, it definitely justifies the question as a signpost. — Makyen ♦ 26 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Makyen
The second answer on the dup-target question, Regex to Match only language chars (all language)?, does directly explain/show the syntax for Unicode property escapes, at least as far as JavaScript is concerned. — Makyen ♦ 18 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Makyen
It is, however, not clear to me that we should consider that sufficient for the question being discussed here being a duplicate of that dup-target. It doesn't say "your syntax is wrong" or "what regex syntax is supported varies from regex implementation to implementation, particularly with respect to shortened representations", but should we require an answer to explicitly say those? Alternately, is there an additional dup-target which does say/explain those things (not, necessarily, specifically with respect to this specific syntax)? — Makyen ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Makyen
I disagree that it should be closed for needing more details or needing a [MCVE]. The code supplied is sufficient to duplicate the error supplied (with a minor amount of clearly obvious additional code to define the object and property being tested). While lots of "write my regex for me" substantially lack details in order to be able to actually design the regex, that's not the issue here, because it's not what's being asked for. So, while the regex being used might be totally inapplicable for the overall thing it's being used for, that doesn't matter for the question being asked there. — Makyen ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Braiam
This is a reason to close it as too broad/unclear, not as dupe! — Braiam 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TylerH
RE: the Angular tag, TS is the primary language of Angular, so it could be that OP is writing this while working in an Angular application, and suspects that it might be related to Angular. It's a reasonable tag to include until someone who is a SME on the matter conclusively says it's not related, IMO. — TylerH 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Cordes
@TylerH: It's a huge issue. The visibility difference between a highly-upvoted comment under a post vs. buried inside a "moved to chat" link (and not even starred there) is enormous. Hardly anyone even follows "moved to chat" links at all unless they were specifically looking for a comment they remembered seeing before. vs. a conversation in comments that can easily grab your attention if you see some names you recognize, or some upvoted comments that look interesting. — Peter Cordes 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TylerH
@KevinB That's demonstrably not true. Delete a comment, and no one can see it anymore. Move it to chat, and everyone can see it by clicking a link. — TylerH 12 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Cordes
Plus, I don't know how to search for answers where comments have been deleted; unlike with the "moved to chat" comment appearing, you don't get a notification or any future sign you can search for with google. — Peter Cordes 17 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cristik
@Braiam was your comment directed at me, or at other "commenters"? — Cristik 43 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by akrun
With regex, there is a particular group that does deletion of questions. In the past week itself, about 3 questions I answered got deleted. It is sad to see that even after many meta posts, there is no action and this is continuing. — akrun 15 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Cordes
@TylerH: Obviously it's not literally the same, but my comment after Kevin's explains in more detail why it's effectively almost the same. A problem or downside with an answer that's only pointed out in comments will go unnoticed by the vast majority of readers. (Or similarly, an extra useful tidbit, or more explanation / clarification that was done only as a comment reply.) — Peter Cordes 47 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cristik
@TylerH I fully understand the OP adding the tag, my remark was addressed to us, the others, that have the expertise. — Cristik 45 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TylerH
@PeterCordes Why are you trying to search for answers where comments have been deleted? What is the value there? I don't disagree that our current comment system has flaws, however we should focus on what the discussion is about rather than moving the goalposts. — TylerH 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TylerH
@Cristik Well, given you have >2k rep, and seem to be indicating you have expertise, why not remove the tag yourself? :-) — TylerH 33 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Braiam
The point @StephenC is trying to convey is that [rest-api] shouldn't exist, but a [whatever-api] that happens to be restful — Braiam 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Trilarion
@CraigEstey I wonder how much information is contained in such opinions. What is the value of "Maybe this is the optimal solution", which an opinion comes down to? — Trilarion 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cristik
@TylerH don't tempt me, I have some ideas to also "improve" the code snippet :P — Cristik 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TylerH
FWIW - the question is now reopened, a second time, by normal (non-gold badge) users. This will invalidate any existing delete votes as well. — TylerH 14 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TylerH
@Braiam I don't think so, because that wouldn't be particularly accurate regarding what REST is. "REST" is to "API" like "screw" is to "fastener". You cannot use a screw as a wall stud instead, just like you cannot "use REST" for something other than an API. — TylerH 55 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
If only there were less garbage questions being answered in the regex tag (this question not being one of them) — Kevin B 39 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Alexei Levenkov
Cristik as @Makyen said the const pass = /^[\pL\pM\pN_-]+$/u.test(control.value) || !control.value; is already quite complete and minimal. The question is showing exactly enough information to have concrete answer. Indeed there are cases when extra context is needed (i.e. if one of possible workarounds need to be selected based on the context) but it definitely not the case here - "\pL should be written as \p{L} for JavaScript/TypeScript" is 100% answer and everyone can validate that without any extra context. — Alexei Levenkov 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Braiam
@TylerH so, http is what to a user client called browser? Here we are talking about the differences between the implementation and the specification. The "REST principles and how to apply them" is the spec, vs "using some API that has been design to be RESTful" is an implementation. Neither is equivalent. — Braiam 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TylerH
@Braiam http is the delivery method, like "screwdriver" or "impact driver" — TylerH 5 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cristik
@AlexeiLevenkov then in that case should we transform this question into a canonical one for future ones that stumble into the same error? — Cristik 59 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user4581301
@AGuyCalledGerald Puh-lease. Stack Overflow's not about something as crass as money. — user4581301 56 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by cigien
@TylerH Are you sure that's correct? As far as I'm aware, the delete vote is still there, and if the question were to be closed, the delete vote would reappear when the question is eligible for deletion. — cigien 40 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user4581301
@FabiosaysReinstateMonica Looks like one more thing we missed out on in 2020 thanks to COVID... — user4581301 26 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user4581301
@CodyGray Looking at the photo you posted above, one should wonder, "Who is the real loser?" — user4581301 55 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tech Inquisitor
This looks like a case of something I've ranted about a million times. Two questions having the same answer does NOT imply that they're the same question! — Tech Inquisitor 21 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
Two questions with different words also doesn't imply they're not the same question. — Kevin B 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user4581301
Sarcasm and the Internet are a poor mix. I relearn this lesson almost daily. — user4581301 33 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tech Inquisitor
@KevinB A good rule of thumb is that even if two questions are fundamentally the same question, if you cannot recognize that they're the same question before knowing the answer, then both should be kept. — Tech Inquisitor 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
That is demonstrably false. It's the very reason duplicates are used a sign posts. — Kevin B 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tech Inquisitor
@KevinB It may be demonstrably false that this is the current practice. It's a matter of opinion whether it should be. — Tech Inquisitor 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
The goal is for users who have a problem to be able to find an answer to their problem, not for people to find other people who also have the same problem. — Kevin B 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tech Inquisitor
@KevinB That's precisely the reason for my argument. — Tech Inquisitor 41 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
*and they should be directed to the best answer, rather than having the same answer spread out across dozens of duplicate questions. — Kevin B 33 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TylerH
@cigien According to Sonic (from MSE) that is not the case: chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/53338056#53338056 I can't confirm one way or the other. — TylerH 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tech Inquisitor
@KevinB I see nothing wrong with having identical answers on any number of related questions. It's just a few bytes of storage. The obsession with negative curation (removing content deemed untidy) rather than positive curation (tagging content deemed valuable) is massively autistic. — Tech Inquisitor 9 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Scratte
The API no longer says there is a delete vote on the post. — Scratte 1 min ago
 
9:24 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
It's important to paint paid products in a positive light to attract future buyers. — Kevin B 30 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Makoto
@KevinB - They've already been bought!!Makoto 11 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
Yes, however, like teams, it's a service that isn't "done" when one or three companies pay for it — Kevin B 42 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Makoto
@KevinB: I was referring to the Prosus acquisition. Stack Overflow doesn't need to sell itself in that light. Unless you're referring to selling spaces for Collectives, and it's my understanding that this pricing structure hasn't been worked out yet, since they'll also want to transition to work with open-source projects (who may not even have a profit model). — Makoto just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Scratte
When you ask something and you only get vague run-around "answers", then the real answer is almost always "No". — Scratte 47 secs ago
 
9:55 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by zcoop98
I understand your question, and I agree that it would be nice to get a real answer from the company, but I don't see what's supposed to be "tone deaf" about the quote you linked. Regardless of feedback reception, I can see why a milestone quantity of members could be seen as something to celebrate or mention... The Company has already made it quite clear that there aren't plans to ditch Collectives at the moment. I guess what I'm asking is really: How does the blog post/ quote relate to your question? How does celebrating x total users equate to being interested or not in meta feedback? — zcoop98 29 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Makoto
@zcoop98: We're questioning what this is doing or how we're meant to interact with it, and it's being lauded as something to be universally celebrated, as if it's doing something revolutionary. It's like asking the car salesperson why anti-rusting is needed when they're broadcasting that anti-rust treatment is the best thing since sliced bread. — Makoto just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
I absolutely thought the flag was raised in bad faith. There is no doubt in my mind that the flagged question was on-topic. — Cody Gray ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
All of the advice you've gotten in comments is good, and you should follow it, but none of it contributed to the flag being declined in this specific case. — Cody Gray ♦ 24 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by zcoop98
I really do get that; I guess I just disagree with you that that behavior is negative or unexpected in the CEO blog that's celebrating Q3 landmarks. They launched a new platform, and they've clearly communicated that they're excited about it, much more than Meta has been. But a blog post like this is exactly the place for such a remark in my eyes, and the quoted paragraphs follow right after mentions of other paid products (Teams and Advertising). Frankly, I think it would be weird not to mention Collectives where they did. — zcoop98 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
A tangential discussion about comments and their deletion has been moved to chat. The irony is strong with this one. — Cody Gray ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Makoto
@zcoop98: This "excitement" you speak of is so far out of touch with those of us who've given feedback on it, that it honestly is negative. It's like our concerns or our questions or our opinions on it simply don't matter. And honestly, if they don't matter, I could live with that too. I just want them to be honest and up-front about it and own that. — Makoto 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
@AGuyCalledGerald No, moderator is an entirely volunteer position. There is no compensation whatsoever, monetary or otherwise. (Aside from the good feelings one gets in helping to keep the site they care about clean.) — Cody Gray ♦ 49 secs ago
 
10:29 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Makoto
At this point I've left a trail in my wake about Collectives, and it's just more expedient to ask folks to just read up on that for them to know how I really feel about them. But to be honest, what I'm saying is that it's fine for them to say something positive about it, but it fills this awkward silence between when they're supposedly getting some guidance on how we as a community can work with it, and how we're able to provide feedback about it. The timing is off and that's why it feels so out of touch with reality or expectations. — Makoto 29 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Makoto
To the point of if they shouldn't acquire new customers - I would sure hope that somehow they have the wherewithal to slam the brakes on this if they start realizing that just diamond moderators handling this isn't going to scale. — Makoto 45 secs ago
 
10:45 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ryan M
@Makoto I'm familiar with your feedback. I think you've got some valid concerns, though I disagree with some of the conclusions you've reached about how to solve them (as do many other users on meta, based on the responses you've received). I just can't agree that this blog post, in particular, suggests that the company is ignoring the feedback. And adding a single additional Collective surely isn't going to cause any scaling issues. I don't think slamming the brakes is required: just not recklessly speeding ahead. And I've seen no signs of such reckless speeding. — Ryan M 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ryan M
If, a year from now, the issues still aren't fixed, that'll be another matter, of course. — Ryan M 40 secs ago
 
11:09 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by zcoop98
See Aaron's comment under the responsive profile announcement: "Both the Settings and Activity sections are being worked on now and will have a similar aesthetic [to the redesigned profile page]. Settings is way closer. This post is just about the Profile tab, and after this next deploy and round of bug fixes, it will be considered “done”." — zcoop98 25 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by nbk
much worse is that mobile you can choose then name by adding a character to an @ — nbk 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by cigien
@TylerH Ah, so this is a new thing then. I didn't realize that. Thanks. cc Scratte. — cigien 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by cigien
@CodyGray Yeah, that's certainly what the phrasing implied. As mentioned in my answer, it's not clear to me what benefit there is to saying that in the decline message. Anyway, is the advice in the answer any good? i.e. if there were more details in the flag message, would it have looked to you like it was raised in good faith? — cigien 37 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Chris Rudd
This is interesting, as to me the question seems in no way to be programming related. It's not asking for how one would determine this programmatically nor does it include or ask for any code examples nor is it presented in any software development context, neither does it include any programming language to be used for any such examples. To me it seems like it belongs in crypto.stackexchange.com — Chris Rudd 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by cigien
@ChrisRudd You should @-ping whoever you're replying to. Unless you're replying to me, of course, in which case, as I said, I don't have strong feelings about the on-topicness either way. — cigien 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Chris Rudd
I felt like atting would have been overkill as I'm not looking to confront but rather to provide a competing perspective. If you think atting is necessary it would be @CodeGray — Chris Rudd 27 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by cigien
@ChrisRudd It's not necessary if, as you say, you just want to add another perspective. I though you meant to address another user directly, in which case, it's better to @ them. Also, I see nothing confrontational about your comment, so there's no need to worry on that front. — cigien 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by 41686d6564
[ Boson ] New comment posted by 41686d6564
"Give it a bit of time so that the community can really establish if this is or is not a good sign post, if it's a sign post at all." Unfortunately, that hardly ever happens in the [regex] tag. Most questions closed as duplicates get deleted as soon as the -3 score threshold is reached (which is probably done by the users who subsequently vote to delete anyway). Upvoted questions also get deleted once the two-day threshold is reached as documented in the linked meta post. — 41686d6564 12 secs ago
 
11:52 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Edward
can't add screenshots here but this thread is a great example. Just try to be empathetic and understanding of others. it's chaos, be kind. — Edward 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user4581301
If they were mandatory, most downvote comments would look like " I agree with the first commenter." — user4581301 18 secs ago
 
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