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12:05 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by cigien
I'm not sure what you mean by the comment. Are you concerned that no one has given feedback yet on this meta post? If so, you just need to be a little patient, you'll get feedback eventually. — cigien 3 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Arcanis - The Omnipotent
@cigien they give more negative votes than comment ... I imagine that at home they give them whipping instead of communicating with speech ... — Arcanis - The Omnipotent 29 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by cigien
Downvotes are not necessarily expected to be accompanied by comments. I know you've posted on Meta before, so you're already aware of this. (This is also true on main) Anyway, I would suggest not making comparisons of that nature. It's not productive, and it will not incline users to look favorably upon your Meta post. — cigien 21 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
I'm closing this for two reasons: First, because you've already indicated that your edits fixed the problems with the question, which sent it to the review queue for reopening. This makes Meta action unnecessary. Second, you've provided to provide any prima facie case in your Meta question for why that question should be re-opened. At a minimum, we require some sort of effort be put into a re-open request. You cannot simply dump a link to your question here. — Cody Gray ♦ 11 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
I've also deleted comments discussing and/or whining about downvotes. Do not post any more comments about votes. — Cody Gray ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by cigien
@CodyGray Typo: "provided to provide" — cigien 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by 1201ProgramAlarm
I like the idea, but would this apply to only Intel format assembly, or to AT&T format assembly? There are many questions with AT&T formatted assembly that lack the att tag. Would this create a demand for syntax highlighting the assembly languages of other CPUs? — 1201ProgramAlarm 26 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick
TIL normal users can vote to reopen mod closed posts — Nick 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Someone_who_likes_SE
If you want a question to be reopened, check "submit for review" while editing. — Someone_who_likes_SE 37 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by BeeOnRope
@1201ProgramAlarm - highlight.js only supports Intel syntax, which is the default choice in any case among people who frequent the x86 tag. — BeeOnRope 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by cigien
@Someone_who_likes_SE OP has already done that. The post is in the review queue now. — cigien 59 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Arcanis - The Omnipotent
have 3 days in the review quee and i am only getting downvotes ... before and after being closed ... even now because I have asked about it they have only limited themselves to giving negative votes ... as they do not want me to talk about it if it is the only thing they have done ... — Arcanis - The Omnipotent 24 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Arcanis - The Omnipotent
can someone give me an objective translation; through what should I understand what is missing? — Arcanis - The Omnipotent 54 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Arcanis - The Omnipotent
honestly negative votes are the stupidest way to express yourself and communicate with the OP. — Arcanis - The Omnipotent 50 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by cigien
@Arcanis-TheOmnipotent You have been explicitly instructed by a site moderator, on this post, not to make any more comments about votes. I would strongly suggest following those instructions. — cigien 27 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
Deleted more comments about downvotes. This is the final warning; next step is either a comment lock or a suspension. — Cody Gray ♦ 16 secs ago
 
12:45 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ryan M
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ryan M
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Hovercraft Full Of Eels
So, in brief, yes you can answer your own questions on SO, but the same quality metrics apply to both the question and answer. — Hovercraft Full Of Eels 24 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by justaprogrammer
But they immediately answered the question? Right after they posted it. — justaprogrammer 30 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by toolic
read my answer... — toolic 19 secs ago
 
 
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2:44 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by MrMythical
That's the description of the rejected edit. "It should have been written as a comment or an answer."MrMythical 3 mins ago
 
2:55 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Félix Adriyel Gagnon-Grenier
Heh, that's interesting. I wonder if the system could let this go like that dozens of times.? — Félix Adriyel Gagnon-Grenier 52 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by BSMP
My understanding of the Reopen Queue changes is that users now had multiple chances at reopening but not infinite changes. I think if this user is able to attempt again it might be a bug. — BSMP 21 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by BSMP
You might want to leave an answer on that post about what you're seeing since they said they want to see if any abuse of the feature is happening. — BSMP 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick
Surprise surprise, the decision to make the checkbox to push a question into the reopen queue usable multiple times leaves it open to abuse :facepalm: — Nick 49 secs ago
 
3:50 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
Hope you don't mind that I've decided to close this as a duplicate of a newer question. I did so because that newer question (A) has more votes than this one, and (B) offers a bit more fleshed-out justification for why the action should be taken. If you're really offended by this, I suppose you can ping me and I'll reverse the direction of the duplicate marking. — Cody Gray ♦ 41 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
From a comment to the question that @anastaciu linked, Peter Cordes has posted an answer arguing precisely the same thing on the MSE announcement of the switch to highlight.js. So, if you're upvoting this, you should probably be upvoting that, too. — Cody Gray ♦ 1 min ago
 
4:04 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
Because bounties don't guarantee answers. They just "buy" some extra publicity. — Cody Gray ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Makyen
I don't know the technology you're using at all, but your question seems quite broad and unclear to me. I could also see it as a debugging question, which doesn't have enough details. But, again, I don't know that technology, or even the underlying language, so can't really make a call about it. — Makyen ♦ 59 secs ago
Error while calling API: connect timed out
 
4:34 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by kaya3
Your bounty message says "please help me, this is urgent", and you added the bounty literally yesterday but you describe that as "after many days". Stack Overflow is really not the right place to seek urgent help, questions here are only answered by unpaid volunteers who happen to find your question interesting or otherwise worthwhile enough for them to spend their time on. If you need urgent help then you could hire a tutor or consultant. — kaya3 1 min ago
 
5:24 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Cordes
@NotThatGuy: If comments are always going to be deleted, then if I see a problem with a post or something that's worth adding to it for future readers, I'm going to have to intrusively edit it, instead of leaving a note for the author, in case they never get back to it. Or if an answer is just plain wrong, then where do I explain why? A silent downvote is a lot less useful than an explanation that ages away. There is definitely a use-case for comments as they are on SO, especially with the current policy that answers aren't just wikis for anyone to edit as they see fit. — Peter Cordes 33 secs ago
 
5:52 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user4581301
Ninja assassins. Send in the Ninjas. — user4581301 1 min ago
 
6:05 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jeanne Dark
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lundin
I have a gold hammer so I could have re-opened this at any time. But after I became aware of the duplicate, it's obvious to me that the company doesn't care and/or got someone in middle-management who's invested prestige in the poorly considered close reason changes. I'll try better to focus my energy on the non-profit communities instead of wasting time trying to improve this site... it's been a lost cause for many years now. — Lundin 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
@Lundin It's far worse than that... It's that no one had gotten around to making the changes. — Cody Gray ♦ 47 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
Why the heck are we re-opening this? It's clearly a duplicate; you're asking exactly the same thing. — Cody Gray ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by CodeCaster
@NotThatGuy you mean the chat? — CodeCaster 44 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by CodeCaster
@Cody I wasn't really serious, but I'm also getting kinda tired of the number-boasting. Sure, getting 80k comments removed through scripting is a feat, and it does make the site cleaner, and it might even be worth the effort, but, you know... — CodeCaster 38 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
Yes, I agree it's not a reason to vote for someone for moderator, @CodeCaster. The number-boasting is patently silly. — Cody Gray ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lundin
@CodyGray Why are you putting status completed on feature requests that blatantly obviously have not been completed? It has not even gotten status:planned. — Lundin 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dharman
Hey! Even if most of my flags were on comments I still flagged a lot of content myself with my own fingers and a mouse. — Dharman 10 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
No, it's been done. Check again. — Cody Gray ♦ 15 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by CodeCaster
@Dharman it's ok and I think you're doing good work, I'm just being anal about the high number of comment flags people are going on about, and their relatively small impact vs the amount of work, IMHO. I definitely think SO could incorporate some parts of the bot network already, and make benign comments go away with fewer flags automatically, but someone still has to read those to prevent mob abuse... — CodeCaster 51 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dalija Prasnikar
@Scratte How it is harmful? Well, for starters, locked questions don't allow any interactions. Answers age. Having old, obsolete, inaccurate information is harmful. Locked question is dead quality wise. If you look there is a comment under the question that reflects that kind of problems. — Dalija Prasnikar 11 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by CodeCaster
I just mean a "Thanks, that worked!" under an answer of mine gives me that tiny bit of dopamine I'm craving. Same goes for the flagger of that comment, who will sleep a tiny bit happier that night knowing they're helping to clean up the site. Then there's the mod who actually has to press the kill button, well, I can't speak for those. — CodeCaster 14 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
There are, of course, other reasons you might vote for someone as a moderator. For example, you agree with their vision for how the site ought to be moderated. This is a much more important and meaningful metric than some number of flags they've raised. — Cody Gray ♦ 9 secs ago
 
6:44 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lundin
"When we made the changes to the close reasons, we actually made them significantly more flexible because we wanted to help you get questions closed for the right reasons and prevent people from using a close reason where it wasn't warranted." No you made them far worse and this mistake could likely have been prevented by having an open discussion with the community about the changes in advance. I'm glad that you did at least rollback this one, better late than never. — Lundin 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Catija
Y'all (the mods, anyway) literally control the community-specific close reasons and you have since long before the format change was made (though I think Shog was always the one who actually created the SO close reasons). I agree that we need to do some work on the network-wide ones - and I think there's some discussion about that going on - but that's a bit out of scope for this specific discussion. — Catija ♦ 43 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Trilarion
@BendertheGreatest "...they didn't understand how moderation works on this site. That doesn't necessarily mean they have no moderation skill; they just may not understand the mod tools of this site. But as it stands it seems this is either a soft or hard barrier to entry and as such this information should be publicly gleaned somehow..." Fully agree. I personally do not hold insufficient knowledge of inside stuff (that goes beyond normal curation activity) negative against any candidate, but others may. And of course the knowledge should be as public and as well presented as possible. — Trilarion 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Catija
I've been told that "literally" isn't quite correct - which is true... mods can create the reasons from scratch and retire old ones whenever they wish but they need a CM to edit them. That said, I'm usually pretty responsive when it comes to doing the edits. — Catija ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
You claim having this question on this site actively hurts this, and other sites. Can you back that up with numbers? Or a link to anyone using that question as an example why their question isn't off-topic? I'm seeing a lot of "Having this question here is bad for SO" comments, but I'm not seeing any actual examples that show any negative effect from having that question here... — Cerbrus 30 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
And even if someone uses that question as an example why their question should be allowed, that's trivially resolved by: "SO's rules were quite different 13 years ago, your question is off-topic now. Please try <other SE site>". — Cerbrus 24 secs ago
 
7:17 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
Can confirm; Catija is extremely responsive here. I literally just marked this as [status-review] a few hours ago to request CM attention, and she responded, well, as you see, within a few hours. You can't ask for anything better than that, truly. Frankly, if you want to gripe at someone, gripe at me. More than anything, I'm the one who dropped the ball on escalating this original request to CMs. I was waiting for this post to garner some community support via upvotes. Well, it did, but I didn't do anything about it. Had I pinged Catija, it'd have been done months ago. — Cody Gray ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
That question has half a million views. Twice as much as the ServerFault duplicate, and infinitely more than the others you linked. If it's so harmful to SO, I'd expect some examples of how it's harming SO so much. Having this question on SO doesn't affect the roomba-bility of other questions. It doesn't make other questions any more difficult to close. And even the historical lock already says it's off-topic, so users really can't use it as an example why their question is okay, and are trivially dismissed. All I'm seeing here is some very black and white interpretation of the rules. — Cerbrus 1 min ago
 
7:30 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dalija Prasnikar
@Cerbrus When someone uses that question as example and asks here is not the main problem. Problem is that people ask such questions on SO all the time because they think such questions are allowed. Locked, closed, it does not matter - new users don't realize what those things mean. Even if you have huge (current is not even huge) banner saying question is off topic, people still ask such questions because they see high vote count and don't think how they got it. I also thought that such questions don't hurt, but over the years I changed my mind because of all the evidence to the contrary. — Dalija Prasnikar 52 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dalija Prasnikar
Maybe, I cannot quantify that evidence the way someone would like it, but we do have evidence here on Meta people pointing to the old questions asking why they cannot ask such questions now. And for every user that asks there are many more that don't come to the Meta to complain. — Dalija Prasnikar 58 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Bohemian
I hope the community and team can let bygones be bygones and that Shree will be free to nominate himself for mod next year. — Bohemian ♦ 35 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dalija Prasnikar
@Cerbrus Actively hurts other sites - If you Google "downloading a FTP directory recursively" SO question is first one listed. If users come to that question and find the answer here, then obviously it hurts other sites because traffic will not go there. Also people will not be aware that those other sites exist - if they are aware they wouldn't ask so many general computing questions here. Plain and simple. — Dalija Prasnikar 21 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dalija Prasnikar
@Cerbrus If only people would read the rules before posting their off topic questions here, then I might agree with you. — Dalija Prasnikar 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lundin
@CodyGray The point here is that this didn't need to happen in the first place, if there was some transparency and open discussion with the community before rolling out arbitrary changes to the site. — Lundin 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
I'm not sure what to say to that, other than it results in decision paralysis. You see the process Catija's talking about for getting the close reasons improved and updated? She told me about that well over a year ago, maybe two (who can keep count with COVID?). I've been meaning to do it, to compose what I see as a starting point, and then bring it up for discussion on Meta. Yet... I haven't. Because stuff like this takes time. And then Meta would bikeshed about it for weeks, maybe longer, perhaps never reaching a clear decision. So, yeah, that sounds good, but isn't terribly practical. — Cody Gray ♦ just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
@DalijaPrasnikar deleting this question isn't gonna make a difference there. People will always find that one borderline question that "proves" their question is okay. — Cerbrus 12 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
And then you point at the historical lock banner, and tell them it's off-topic. Pretty trivial. The point you make about awareness of other SE sites is actually a good one, but then again, "SO's rules were quite different 13 years ago, your question is off-topic now. Please try <other SE site>" is pretty trivial to comment, especially if you have that auto-comment plugin. — Cerbrus 57 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Larnu
If the problem really needs to be solved that urgently, then hire someone. Stack Overflow isn't a free consultancy service, and bounties don't "buy" you additional work time from the users who are giving up their free time to answer the questions here. For some experienced users (including myself), telling them that your question is "urgent" is might end up with them ignoring it the question entirely rather than dropping everything to help you. — Larnu 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by anastaciu
@Cody no problem, I agree with your reasoning. — anastaciu 42 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dalija Prasnikar
@Cerbrus Like I said commenting is not a problem, but moderating is. We have zillion questions in a CV queue that cannot be managed promptly. We have newly asked general computing questions that fly under the radar and are not closed promptly, if ever and nobody leaves the comment, because there is just too many of them. As long as we cannot stop the influx of such questions and we cannot successfully deal with them we have to use all other options even if it means nuking old off topic questions that have answers elsewhere. I wish we could migrate such questions, but we can't. — Dalija Prasnikar just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Larnu
If the problem really needs to be solved that urgently, then hire someone. Stack Overflow isn't a free consultancy service, and bounties don't "buy" you additional work time from the users who are giving up their free time to answer the questions here. For some experienced users (including myself), telling them that your question is "urgent" might end up with them ignoring the question entirely rather than dropping everything to help you. — Larnu 1 min ago
 
9:00 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jeanne Dark
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
Then the solution here is to submit a feature-request to implement migration. Not to nuke useful content from orbit. — Cerbrus 16 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
"Wasn't stackoverflow originally for everyone to ask questions?" Still is; that hasn't changed. We have quality standards, but we virtually always have. And there's always been downvoting, literally since day 1. — Cody Gray ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jeanne Dark
If you had taken the tour, you'd learned that "...we're working together to build a library of detailed answers to every question about programming." SO is not only there to help you, but to help many people. That's why your contributions need to be useful also to future visitors. — Jeanne Dark 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Larnu
Assuming that the question you talked about where you got 2 downvotes was this one, although neither are mine, my comments are likely reasons people might have. Tagging conflicting technologies and not reading your errors are quick ways to get downvotes. — Larnu 45 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kirti Purohit
Ok no, I meant this question which code golf community told me to write on stackoverflow @Larnu — Kirti Purohit 35 secs ago
 
9:20 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by DavidG
@Marijn Just because someone asks a silly question, doesn't mean it needs to be answered. Anecdotes are not data, not ever, and it was a poor thing to request in the first place. Also, this post could have just been a comment. — DavidG 14 secs ago
 
9:34 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by ugh StackExchange
@DavidG I'm not saying there should be different rules for different people. Whether it be 0 flags or 80k flags, forcing someone from the ballot in this manner is an absolute wrong in my mind. Let the voter decide: Bring it to the attention to the general public, let people discuss it, and let the voters decide. I honestly believe that if this was discussed/featured/hot, Shree would have simply lost from the community. Even if he won, people can attribute it to making a small blunder (That he admitted to). — ugh StackExchange 10 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by ugh StackExchange
I believe it should be my decision if his mistake was something that deemed me not to vote for Shree, just like it was my decision if Zoe should be elected based on her inappropriate messages of abusiveness towards other members. — ugh StackExchange 25 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tomerikoo
It was raised at least a few times on the original MSE post that some mechanism for recognizing repeated failed attempts of a "substantial edit" should cause an automatic "ban" for substantial edits. I'm guessing it didn't happen... — Tomerikoo 1 min ago
 
9:54 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dalija Prasnikar
@Cerbrus It is not useful because it exists in other places, migration only helps in preserving reputation to people that answered it here. From that aspect we can safely nuke it. Migration is layered problem. If we could migrate it, that would be the first step in preserving content, but then there is question of reputation, existing Q/A on other sites, moderating all that. I am not sure if such feature request would be received well at the moment. — Dalija Prasnikar 52 secs ago
 
10:05 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by NotThatGuy
@CodeCaster "you mean the chat" - sorry, I'm not following? — NotThatGuy 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by NotThatGuy
@PeterCordes Those are the sorts of things we're need to figure out before we start auto-deleting comments, yes. Sites like IPS and Workplace seem to be happy to conclude that those problems simply don't exist, although I wouldn't recommend following in their footsteps. — NotThatGuy 26 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by NotThatGuy
@CodeCaster "you mean the chat" - if you're referring to me saying "some place", then "some point" would probably have been a better choice of words. Although merging comments with chat in some way is actually a pretty good idea. — NotThatGuy 57 secs ago
 
10:29 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lundin
@CodyGray Why would giving the community the option to give feedback for a week or two lead to decision paralysis? Good leadership involves listening to all parties before making a decision. And I'm pretty sure some 1000+ users who've been using the site for many years have more valid input than a few random SO employees scratching their heads. Even if asking the community didn't produce much useful feedback, at least you gave them a chance speak their minds. Which again is good leadership. — Lundin 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by DavidG
@ughStackExchange How many people would really have read all these meta posts and been able to make an informed decision about who they want as a moderator? You and I may be in the minority on SO. The only safe and effective solution was what was done. The more extreme version was suspending the user. That would have been in the rules but nobody really wanted that. — DavidG 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Wai Ha Lee
I came across this too. A search for the question title "Scraping: SSL: CERTIFICATE_VERIFY_FAILED error for http://en.wikipedia.org" (url) results in this (screenshot). — Wai Ha Lee 55 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by ugh StackExchange
@DavidG As I stated in some of the other comments in this post, making an informed decision is up to the voter. You can't get everyone from being informed, and the same goes through for even the election itself. People may not be bothered to read the questions that people posted, and just randomly picked people in order to get the badge. Controversy happens in day-to-day democracy, and getting people to make informed decisions is part of every election. I still believe, it's not up to the mods to make that unilateral decision for me. — ugh StackExchange 25 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by ugh StackExchange
@DavidG And I would argue, that "the more extreme version" of suspending the user, I would actively fight back on as well. The mods themselves agreed that this was not suspension worthy, and I think that IMO it would have been an overreach to get him removed from the election. It's not customary that users are suspended on their first time offenses when mistakes are made. He owned up to the issue, apologized for the blunder, and the community had the tools to make an informed decision on their own. — ugh StackExchange 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by MisterMiyagi
"I accidentally deleted a couple but nothing I can do about that." You can still edit and undelete such questions. A moderator can provide you with links to deleted questions if you cannot find them anymore. — MisterMiyagi 12 secs ago
 
11:00 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Trilarion
@TylerH "...they are not personally involved in the flag..." That hints at a potential problem. If somebody isn't personally involved in the flagging, than using a personal account for that seems a bit the wrong choice. Maybe automatic/bot flagging should be its own category and these flags should be marked as automatically flagged. I would put more weight on manually selected flags. This isn't to say these flags aren't really helpful. — Trilarion 27 secs ago
 
11:12 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
If it didn't have a bounty I would have voted to close as "Needs details or clarity". — Peter Mortensen 1 min ago
 
11:42 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user253751
@PeterCordes If comments are always going to be deleted then there should simply not be comments. — user253751 24 secs ago
 
12:04 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
Related (mostly historical, my emphasis): Can we disable automatic community wiki conversion for answer edits? (status-completed) - "We have disabled all forms of community wiki automatic conversions, not just for answers but for questions as well. ... To handle the cases spoken about the abuse cases the system was originally meant to prevent, flags are now raised for moderator attention in the event of several edits."* — Peter Mortensen 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
Isn't it automatic? Or did that change? — Peter Mortensen 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Cordes
@user253751: Exactly. I think it already sucks that useful comments and conversations get deleted (or moved to chat where they're much less likely to be seen). We currently have a system where useful comments are long-lived as long as nobody comes along and messes them up, which more or less works. The hypothetical possibility of deletion gives enough motivation to edit answers to incorporate feedback from comments without actually needing to delete anything in the common case when that doesn't or even (depending on the comment) shouldn't happen. — Peter Cordes 48 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user253751
@PeterCordes "As long as nobody comes along and messes them up" is no guarantee. Some moderators seem to enjoy moving-to-chat or removing as many comments as they can. — user253751 5 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
So, instead you prefer to just nuke it all... The lack of support for a good solution doesn't mean bad solutions are better. — Cerbrus 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by ugh StackExchange
@JNat I would argue that this isn't a bug. Withdrawn candidates should still be considered in the count — ugh StackExchange 49 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ann Zen
Remember: the size of the bounty affects the amount of attention your question would get. Nowadays many users don't bother with 50 rep bounties anymore. — Ann Zen 1 min ago
 
12:52 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dalija Prasnikar
@Cerbrus Again... the content exists in another place. That part stands regardless. Migration would only make it easier to solve complaints like yours with deleting content and for particular questions that are not already answered in other places. — Dalija Prasnikar 52 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Cordes
@user253751: At least on SO, it's usually only in response to flags, I think. But yeah, that's the kind of thing I was complaining about. My point was that it usually doesn't happen, so we're somewhere between the extremes of only removing pure noise vs. removing everything. Not as far away from removing everything as some of us would prefer, but it's bearable and I can see the upside of removing comments that have already been incorporated into an answer. (I'm less keen on removing ones that are still interesting even if the topic has drifted, but like I said, bearable.) — Peter Cordes 24 secs ago
 
1:05 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
You'd be deleting user's contributions, rep, details that aren't in the other place... This is exactly why the historical lock exists. Something that's no longer on-topic, but that has indubitably been very valuable to the site in the past. — Cerbrus 1 min ago
 
1:32 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Larnu
Won't this just solve itself? Presumably people that are still using Discord.Py will tag that, and if someone is using a new fork, they'll tag that. People can still be directed to questions for the original library, if it's applicable. — Larnu 23 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by nbk
if ome has a question to a fork, would there not be a tag created, if the user has enough rep? — nbk 18 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
Is experts in "Foo" can answer questions about "FooFork" without needing specific "FooFork" knowledge, then the question is not really about "FooFork", and there is no need to create a new tag. — yivi 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by JNat
If we want the number to reflect how many candidates can be voted for, @ughStackExchange, then it is a bug. — JNat ♦ 31 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Taku
@Larnu Sadly our average question-askers on the topic doesn't have the reps to do so, would you suggest that I edit and add the new fork tags to questions when I deem it needs a specific tag for the fork? — Taku 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Larnu
If the question is about a specific fork, and the OP doesn't have the rep to create said tag, then yes by all means add the relevant tag, @Taku . — Larnu 14 secs ago
 
2:05 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TylerH
@Trilarion Well, the threshold for when a flag is cast without their intervention is something like 99%, so they do put a lot of effort into making sure incorrect flags are avoided... I am not that familiar with the specific criteria (I don't participate in auto flagging, myself), but you can read more about it on charcoal-se.org/flaggingTylerH 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TylerH
@CodyGray Not agreeing/disagreeing with you on auto-deletion here, but your sticky note example is not particularly apt, IMHO. Comments are not sticky notes in your office, because "your office" implies it's a private space of yours, out of the way, that someone is violating... but Qs & As are public pages. Comments are more like those "love" padlocks on a public bridge in some town. Sure, the padlock means something to the person who put it there, but not much to anyone else passing by... and it often obstructs/distracts from the view, especially when there are hundreds of them on the bridge. — TylerH 15 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Mihai Chelaru
@ughStackExchange He didn't own up to the extent of the plagiarism, as evidenced by this comment where he denied copying Zoe's answers to questions 1, 2, and 10. He also slightly paraphrased the answers, apparently with an online tool, in order to try to conceal what he had done. Once exposed, he never apologized directly to Zoe, Ryan M, and Dharman for stealing their answers. Stop downplaying the severity of his actions as if this is normal. — Mihai Chelaru 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TylerH
@PeterCordes I would challenge this statement's foundation: "We currently have a system where useful comments are long-lived as long as nobody comes along and messes them up, which more or less works." Because it assumes that useful comments are deleted. In my experience, comments that get deleted are overwhelmingly not useful. If you have evidence of useful comments being deleted, it's probably worth raising a Meta post about, so the community can weigh in on whether they're useful and should be reposted, or added to the answer, or not. — TylerH 1 min ago
 
2:24 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Robert Longson
Why not add the code snippet to this problem as a snippet rather than just as an image? — Robert Longson 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tomerikoo
I tried out snippets both here on Meta and on main and they seemed to work fine. Can you explain what exactly is the problem? I mean, you are not exactly doing anything with this input... — Tomerikoo 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Rana
Yes I was going to answer and have input in it but that is not working out . So , I tried a simple inputRana 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by BDL
Did you try to include a input field directly into an answer (outside of a snippet)? — BDL 50 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Rana
When I changed the browser and entered same code as a guest , it is working alright — Rana 54 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Rana
@BDL I only added snippet with single input nothing else in code — Rana 50 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tomerikoo
Please don't use comments for details. edit the question with a minimal reproducible example of the code and all the details of how we can reproduce it (browser, OS, etc.) — Tomerikoo 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Andrew T.
"When I changed the browser" could you mention the problematic browser and the working browser? Note that SE only supports the latest versions of modern browsers. Also, consider checking the browser extensions if you have them. — Andrew T. 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Rana
I think i should delete this question and try a restart on same browser @AndrewT. because this is the first time I am facing issue . Thanks everyone for help — Rana 1 min ago
 
3:14 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TylerH
@AnnZen Neither of those statements are particularly accurate. — TylerH 7 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
All bounties receive the same treatment on the bounty list page regardless of size. the size could affect whether or not someone clicks it however a good title can be far more effective than a bounty when it comes to attracting answerers. — Kevin B 59 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TGrif
I just tried to swipe on the right on your screenshot... :) — TGrif 43 secs ago
 
3:37 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jeanne Dark
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Larnu
Likely because on it's own it can look like an answer. Though, in truth, it's a copy pasta of a comment. You might be better off using a custom mod flag to explain it's a copy pasta instead. At best, the answer should be a wiki answer; as the Op should not be getting rep from someone else's words. — Larnu 23 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Daedalus
Because it is an attempt to answer; that it's a poor attempt doesn't make it any less of an attempt. — Daedalus 23 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
the answer can be edited to be better, but, it's a typo question, lets save time and just deal with the question. — Kevin B 46 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Larnu
I've formatted the answer to be more obvious it's simply a quote of a comment (though it's pretty evident in my opinion, as they even copied "Voting to close as typo. – trincot yesterday"). That doesn't change my point though; the answer is very low quality, but it is an answer. — Larnu 34 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by tripleee
I'm in Northern Europe, and I see the actual transcript just fine. — tripleee 30 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Wai Ha Lee
Do other transcripts have the same problem? e.g. for #386. — Wai Ha Lee 18 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Matt G
Wholeheartedly agree - this would be a fantastic addition. — Matt G 16 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Olivier Dulac
@WaiHaLee : that one works fine for me ( the-stack-overflow-podcast.simplecast.com/episodes/… ), but the one I posted still does not work. Interresting... — Olivier Dulac 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by spicy.dll
This is because you asked a poorly formed question. Your question reads like a request for code. This drives people away from answering because it seems like you just want us to do all the work for you. Putting a bounty on the question doesn't change that. — spicy.dll 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Olivier Dulac
weird: I edited your link, ie kept it untile "/episodes/", and see a list of transcripts. When I click on the latest one, for episode 387, I DO see the page! ( the-stack-overflow-podcast.simplecast.com/episodes/… ) — Olivier Dulac 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Wai Ha Lee
The URL in your last comment doesn't end in /transrcript whereas the linked URL (in the podcast page and your question) does. — Wai Ha Lee 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TGrif
It works for me in Paris. Only a vue-gtag error in console. — TGrif 35 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Olivier Dulac
@WaiHaLee : I edited the Q with the issue (their link has an additionnal "/" after "/transcript", breaking the url) — Olivier Dulac 7 secs ago
 
4:19 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Olivier Dulac
@WaiHaLee : do you see the same link I see on the #387 blog post? (at the same location, ie under "Show notes" and above "tags:") — Olivier Dulac 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Wai Ha Lee
Yes - for me the transcript link (image) points to a URL ending in /transcript/. But for me it's fine whether I have the trailing / on the end or not. — Wai Ha Lee 5 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Olivier Dulac
@WaiHaLee : that is very strange indeed... if I take off the "/" it works, if I add it back i get the error page — Olivier Dulac 53 secs ago
 
5:15 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by eric
The person is obviously new so be judicious here with close votes they will likely be confused by that and not understand it. Someone really sould give them guidance on what obviously was a lot of work. This is a good opportunity to gain an enthusiastic SO user, as opposed to turn someone away because of pedantic rule enforcement — eric 44 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Security Hound
It takes more than just deleting a couple questions to become question banned. Basically in order to become question banned you would have had to delete more than just a couple. You can vote to undelete questions provided you edit them, so they are in a state, they can be reopened. Only improving your existing questions, so those questions are upvoted, will result in your question ban being lifted. If that action cannot be performed, the only thing you can do, is ask one really great question every 6 months until you reach the quality threshold to lift the question ban. — Security Hound 12 secs ago
 
5:50 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by wim
Candidate was disqualified, that is neither a punishment nor a manipulation of the election. Gripes about another candidate seems entirely unrelated to this plagiarism incident, isn't it beating a dead horse to rehash it all here? — wim 1 min ago
 
6:07 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ann Zen
@TylerH No hard statistics to back them up, but they're reasonable (the 50 rep part was said by a mod). — Ann Zen 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
On that page: "Find me on Github" should be "Find me on GitHub"Peter Mortensen 23 secs ago
 
6:20 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cristik
@eric close votes are useful in the sense they give a clear indication of what the user needs to do with their question in order to put it in a better shape. Also, the OP did receive guidance, see for example some of the comments on their questions. Maybe we should give them the [how-to-ask] link? — Cristik 28 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by V2Blast
Relevant MSE post about delete/undelete votes: meta.stackexchange.com/a/371277/335251V2Blast ♦ 23 secs ago
 
6:49 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by David Buck
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Heretic Monkey
What is your question about your post? Note: this is not the method to ask follow-up questions about the subject of your post. You do that by asking a new question on stackoverflow.com. — Heretic Monkey 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
 
7:35 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TGrif
It already generates a display name for you, it's user17252202. — TGrif 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
The tag wiki is a good start, but not really sufficient. Did you have a look through the questions with that tag, and make sure that they're all (> 90%) being used as [rest]? I realize there are a lot of questions currently tagged [restapi], but still fewer than after we merge into [rest]. — Cody Gray ♦ 57 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
Deleted questions, score <= 0, contributing to the question ban: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 ... — Cody Gray ♦ 9 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
I'm not sure which mod said that. If you're thinking about one of my comments, the more accurate version would be that I don't care about bounties at all. I look for interesting questions, the ones which are clear and well-posed. The ones that have good titles, are appropriately tagged, have all of the information I need to answer, etc. No amount of bounty is going to convince me to put in effort on a low-quality question. — Cody Gray ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
@PeterMortensen The functionality described by Grace Note still exists, but didn't trigger in this case. The threshold is apparently set too high. Which makes sense... The absolute number of edits here is not the problem, but rather that each one is putting it into the review queue. — Cody Gray ♦ 40 secs ago
 
8:00 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Andras Deak
@wim it wasn't quite dead yet when I posted this answer. — Andras Deak 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by M--
@CodyGray considering how we handled a similar incident in the last election (deleting almost everything, even the posts that were not mentioning any names), do you think this will get deleted too? About this incident, I think a post with this much details, names, and specifics is not appropriate, although it's posted for transparency and not public shaming. However, I think a thread explaining the incident without mentioning names would be very helpful for future reference. — M-- 39 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TylerH
@CodyGray I'm not sure I follow. "restapi" is more specific than "rest", so it's less likely that someone will use restapi to refer to something other than a REST API than it would be for someone to use rest to mean something else... but that aside, to talk about REST is to talk about a REST API... there is no "REST <something other than an API". — TylerH just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by tbking
Thanks @PeterMortensen. Unconventional use of StackOverflow Meta comments to point out a typo in my developer story bio. — tbking 37 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Stephen Rauch
Does this count? — Stephen Rauch ♦ 19 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Stephen Rauch
Thanks for the kind words, they are much appreciated. — Stephen Rauch ♦ 9 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by QHarr
What is the source of the difference between 28,754 voted and 28,331 ballots I see in the elections results download? — QHarr 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TylerH
@CodyGray Perhaps it would help convince you that restapi only has records back to last year, and it has since led to at least one user misguidedly trying to move the site away from rest single-handedly: stackoverflow.com/revisions/404470/4 as part of trying to remove api uses (start here and move toward more recent edits: stackoverflow.com/users/9213345/…) — TylerH 55 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Marijn
@DavidG if you think the question is silly then you can downvote the question. If you think only a small part of the questyion is silly then you can comment on the question asking to OP to remove the silly part. It is not necessarily the best option to downvote the answer if it actually answers the question as asked (see meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/255459/…, although that is about main questions and not about meta questions), although you can of course vote as you please. — Marijn 20 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Marijn
More on point: anecdotes are not data but they can provide useful information - in this case the OP wants to know which types of flags can lead to a high number of useful flags, this answer states that 50/50 NAA and NLN work for at least one person, so that is a good starting point for the OP to test if it works for them as well. — Marijn 34 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
@M-- No, I don't want to either close or lock this, much less delete it, as I want Shree to have a chance to respond, if and when he feels comfortable doing so. The last election was a very different case because the user had announced they were permanently leaving Stack Overflow. They even requested to have their account deleted. — Cody Gray ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by eric
Yes maybe my wording was bad. There really isn't any other option than close votes so how are people supposed to "be judicious" with them? I was more just trying to urge ppl to be chill with the noob. :) — eric 7 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TylerH
@StephenRauch no :-) — TylerH 5 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TheMaster
@StephenRauch What a clean play!! Congrats! — TheMaster 5 secs ago
 
8:35 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Mauricio Gracia Gutierrez
How can I know when this gets solved ? — Mauricio Gracia Gutierrez 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by tink
@Cerbrus that's trivially resolved by: "SO's rules were quite different 13 years ago, your question is off-topic now. Please try <other SE site>". ... the tag I spend most time on is linux. If I had the time and energy I (and had more than the 50 votes a day) I could happily spend all day fending of people asking off-topic questions. Particularly the ones who post their first questions - how do you think they found Stack Overflow, and what drives them to come here to ask the "wrong things"? I obviously have no metrics as I'm not an employee, but their common defence suggests examples. — tink 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zoe
Thanks, would be boring if there was nothing to do after the election :p — Zoe ♦ 40 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user4581301
Can't speak for stack overflow, but my experiences moderating other sites has shown that if you do the job right, it rarely lives up to expectations. — user4581301 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Haddad
@StephenRauch Yes :) — Peter Haddad 5 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Adrian Mole
Maybe these count: here, here and here? — Adrian Mole 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by francescalus
Do you mean "in light of what's happened"? — francescalus 26 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by F&#233;lix Adriyel Gagnon-Grenier
lol. in hockey, "clean play" is codename for "absolutely brutal check in the boards that should really be a foul but old traditions that have costed countless injuries are long in dying away". — Félix Adriyel Gagnon-Grenier 6 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by 41686d6564
@AdrianMole Wow, that's impressive! I can hardly find any posts that need review on meta. I guess now I know the reason :-D — 41686d6564 1 min ago
 
9:29 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ann Zen
@CodyGray No no, not a mod on SO :) — Ann Zen 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by M--
Fair enough, that's a legit reason for keeping this open. — M-- 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
Yeah, if you run for SO moderator because you want "power", you're going to be very disappointed. If you do it because you like wielding a giant shovel, then you'll probably be quite satisfied. — Cody Gray ♦ 49 secs ago
 
10:10 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by jrh
@NotThatGuy the rhetoric of "comments are broken by design" from SE always sounded like a load of hot air to me, I think they just didn't think this through. Here's the reality, 1) SE has no viable/"official" way to edit posts substantially if you are not the OP, 2) there's a ton of information that needs to be expressed that doesn't fit anywhere else, 3) the comment system is bad, but it's the best thing we have. Comments are for the time being important and poorly implemented, those two things aren't mutually exclusive. — jrh 44 secs ago
 
10:22 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
Ah, I see... Gonna leave this up for a few more hours to see if someone screams "no"; otherwise, I'll pull the trigger. — Cody Gray ♦ 56 secs ago
 
10:37 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user4581301
Giant shovel trumps the usual hand trowel. — user4581301 47 secs ago
 
 
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11:50 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by cs95
In a complete departure from previous elections, I don't see the same outpour of love for these "new moderators" as we did in previous years. Where are the "congratulations" comments with hundreds of upvotes? Am I the only one totally unsatisfied? — cs95 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
Maybe you're looking in the wrong place, @cs95? Try checking the "answers" area, rather than the "comments" area. — Cody Gray ♦ 22 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by cs95
@CodyGray Meaning... you promoted the comments to answers? Do people feel an unusual loss for words seeing the election results? Or perhaps were there comments removed? Genuinely asking as I cannot see if any of these things happened as a normal user. ;-) — cs95 33 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
No, no comments have been "promoted". That is not possible. What I'm saying is, it seems this year, people are doing what they're supposed to and posting answers, instead of posting comments. There have been no comments removed by moderators so far. @cs95 — Cody Gray ♦ 1 min ago
 

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