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12:04 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by cs95
I appreciate the candor! Ever the diplomat, but I think you see where I'm coming from seeing as you were also dangerously close to clicking "clear all selections" yourself at one point. — cs95 1 min ago
 
12:47 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by tink
I still think that keeping this question in particular (and hundreds of other old, off-topic ones) is doing more harm that good. As I mentioned in the comment to Dalija's answer below there's a constant influx of questions (often of first-time posters) similar to the one Braiam pointed out above, and I'm fairly certain that it's exactly having this sort of old cruft that puts the onus of keeping them in line on people who still care about the whole "on topic" thing. If the top hit in google for "recursive ftp" wasn't Stack Overflow but Unix & Linux things might be different. — tink just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Aquarius Power
@Someone_who_likes_SE it is "dark reader" firefox extension/addon — Aquarius Power 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Aquarius Power
@CodyGray I see many ppl dismissing other ppl complaints, even if it is related to health(like in my case),and that is totally incomprehensible.Dark Mode is NOT just a theme!it helps prevents eye strain,it is relaxing,it helps you stay longer doing important things,MUCH longer.Therefore it IS absolutely important!If you dont use,or dont like dark mode,it doesnt mean it is not important to a HUGE LOT of other ppl :).But the most important thing is:dark mode is so absolutely EASY to implement,that an excellent site,like stackexchange sites,not having it,is RIDICULOUS,and makes no sense at all :( — Aquarius Power 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Aquarius Power
@CodyGray you dont need it to be a good site, you need it to not get worse... — Aquarius Power 53 secs ago
 
1:22 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
Not to be confused with a towel. — Peter Mortensen 27 secs ago
 
1:45 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Bergi
 
2:22 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by chivracq
From the "summary report online", Number of Votes + Thresholds don't need 6 Digits after the Dot (=> "xxxx.000000") while these are (or should be) Integers... :idea: opavote.com/results/5141741653983232chivracq 42 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Catija
@chivracq we don't control OpaVote. Their presentation and UI is their own. Many elections end with fractional vote allocations due to Meek STV's methods. Some elections have even ended with extremely small margins. — Catija ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by PCM
"Let's get the party starte- uh, lets get the work started" - someone who has to handle 2700 flags — PCM 27 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by chivracq
@Catija, yep I know you "don't control OpaVote", but that Software/Interface still feels Buggy to me, a "Number of Votes" can only be an integer, you cannot cast a 0.5 or 0.3 Vote... — chivracq 52 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Catija
@chivracq you are correct that you can't cast a fractional vote... but you can get one. When surplus votes are awarded, it's done proportionally to the second choice votes of all people who participated in reaching the threshold so, in an election your single vote may be split between several candidates. The total votes received is not always an integer. — Catija ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Scratte
What is the question you have about your post? — Scratte 1 min ago
 
2:59 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Backend Developer
@Scratte Updated the post — Backend Developer 59 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick
The point in coming to meta is for asking about your question, not just asking your question again — Nick 57 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
There are no credible studies that have shown "dark mode" to have any relationship to health, or even to prevent eye strain. Whether light mode or dark mode, the best things you can do to improve eye strain are to take regular breaks (looking away from the screen) and to turn down the brightness on your monitor. It also helps to ensure you have ambient lights that are of a similar brightness level to your screen, so that you aren't staring into a lightbulb. (Dark mode doesn't prevent you from staring into a lightbulb.) — Cody Gray ♦ 53 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
It's also not easy to implement "dark mode"; it took the team a very long time to get the first release shipped, and there are still a very large number of bugs. — Cody Gray ♦ 34 secs ago
 
3:25 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick
You were already informed that meta isn't for asking these kinds of questions on, you need to fix the issues with your question on the main site — Nick 51 secs ago
 
3:40 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Stephen C
But isn't "rest" just a synonym for "sleep"? — Stephen C 54 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Stephen C
REST isn't technology. It is a design principle for designing APIs. — Stephen C 1 min ago
 
4:10 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Always Helping
@cs95 what's the point of saying "congratulations" if you will get downvoted for saying something good wishing someone the best of luck in this new journey of becoming a mod. Look a classic example here how people will disregard your wish by downvoting you. — Always Helping 30 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick
"According to the official website of Zoë, the tool has been deprecated since July 2018." - Why is that relevant to burninating it? Just because things are deprecated doesn't mean people stop using them. — Nick 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by 4386427
Interresting how one "congratulation" answer is at +32 and another is at -4. — 4386427 44 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Someone_who_likes_SE
Whoa, are those even flags? — Someone_who_likes_SE 51 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
It's not a real photo of the flag queue, no. We can't show that, because moderator flags are confidential. @Someone_who_likes_SE — Cody Gray ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Hashim Aziz
Thank you for posting this. Does the status-completed tag mean it was accepted and that the change will be reflected in next year's survey? — Hashim Aziz 12 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
Nitpick: This was Ryan's first time nominating himself for moderator on Stack Overflow. But, yes, a huge shout-out to the losers of the election, too! We appreciate your standing in the election, and we hope you'll run again in the future. And, of course, we can always use your help throughout the year, doing all the things that do not require moderator privileges (there are many, many more of such things than there are things that require a diamond). — Cody Gray ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jeremy Thompson
I thought about that. Fixed. — Jeremy Thompson 23 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by aheze
We should get @Rapptz over here. He's the maker of the library. — aheze 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by aheze
But anyway, since there's literally 2.9 forks, out of which maybe 100 are actively maintained, a tag for each would still be way too much. Besides, pretty much all of the forks have their own Discord server where they can get help in. — aheze 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Always Helping
@4386427 Very interesting but guess what nothing would be done about that. — Always Helping 18 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by 0xc0de
Whoa, why so many downvotes to this? — 0xc0de 21 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
@AlwaysHelping Why should something be "done"? What could even be "done"? Users are allowed to vote on posts, up or down, for whatever reason they like. That reason might even be that one of the posts included a giant picture of garbage! Why that's worth an upvote is anyone's guess. — Cody Gray ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by 4386427
@AlwaysHelping Well, maybe you have a point: meta.stackoverflow.com/a/399612/4386427 vs meta.stackoverflow.com/a/399611/4386427 But... anyone is allowed to vote as they like. — 4386427 37 secs ago
 
5:35 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
And we certainly do not burninate newly elected moderators. Too much. — yivi 1 min ago
 
5:50 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by EJoshuaS - Reinstate Monica
I'm actually not 100% sure that it's off-topic - maybe I'm being obtuse (or it's too late at night), but I was somewhat confused from the documentation whether this is a programming library or a stand-alone tool (and whether someone other than a programmer would actually use it). — EJoshuaS - Reinstate Monica 36 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
It looked to me like a standalone tool, @EJoshuaS, despite the fact that you did find the source code publicly available. I suppose if someone were asking about it as a library, that'd be fine, but the question I see doesn't seem to be about it in that context. Something to export SWF files doesn't seem like it is within the domain of software tools primarily used by programmers, either. But I'm open to counter-arguments from someone more familiar with this. — Cody Gray ♦ 49 secs ago
 
 
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6:57 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by cs95
I see where you're coming from but that isn't wasn't exactly my point, @AlwaysHelping If you look at past election result threads for example 2020 and 2019 there's a clear difference in energy levels in the comments ... which becomes obvious if you pay attention. Multiple congratulatory answers have always been frowned upon (since subsequent congratulatory posts don't add much (beyond goodwill) over the existing ones and are typically downvoted). — cs95 54 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Yunus Temurlenk
Queue is really such messy ? Cant imagine, good luck ! — Yunus Temurlenk 16 secs ago
 
7:19 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Trilarion
All the best to the new mods and thanks to all candidates. Looking at the past elections there seems to be a trend towards a lower number of candidates and maybe also a lower number of voters (relative to the number of possible voters). The trend might change though in the future. This election maybe also showed that reputation or candidate score are weighted higher by voters than answering the optional questionnaire. Maybe the rationale of voters is that if something is optional, it cannot be that important. If it's changed it might be scraped completely or even made mandatory. — Trilarion 1 min ago
 
7:34 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Trilarion
From all the 20 moderators many aren't very active on meta, so I would not ask more from Stephen than we ask from all of them. As long as at least some moderators are active and speak for all the moderators (i.e. internally communicate with each other) it should be fine. — Trilarion 53 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
I think it is a real photo. I see my four pending flags back there, on the right. — yivi 57 secs ago
 
7:54 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Mari-Lou A
a substantial amount of work and an often thankless job. I'm not blaming anyone but I see this sentiment across many sites. With such enthusiasm about the role of a moderator on SO, it's no wonder there were only five candidates. Users who already knew what the job was like. This air of pessimism is a byproduct of the company's lack of attention and users' indifference toward its volunteers. By lack of attention, I also refer to the lack of perks. There must be personal satisfaction, joy, and recognition when undertaking any role. A volunteer must be valued and always listened to. — Mari-Lou A 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
Yes, the "what have you tried?" comments have gotten excessive, worn, and tired. However, this has nothing to do with downvoting, and you shouldn't assume that it does have any connection. — Cody Gray ♦ 26 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Paulie_D
And comments on votes are and never will be compulsory. — Paulie_D 51 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Mari-Lou A
See also this tongue-in-cheek response posted by Cody Gray. Hardly a thrilling way to start the day. — Mari-Lou A 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
That is, assuming that the score actually measures something useful. How confident are you that it does? Meaningless metrics are pretty common these days. Did you do any research to find out what it actually means and then decide for yourself whether that has any relevance to what you want to see in a moderator? — Cody Gray ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
Downvotes aren't meant as a signal to you, the asker. They're a content-rating system, meant to signal things to future viewers. This is why they have no connection whatsoever to comments. — Cody Gray ♦ 12 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Trilarion
@cs95 You have to scale the number of upvotes on comments by the number of views. The thread from 2020 was seen 11k times so far, this here 10 times lower so far, one would expect ten times lower scores then. — Trilarion 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Mari-Lou A
+1 for the optimism and positivity. Typo: I can't edit as I lack the rep but it's "heroes" — Mari-Lou A 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Trilarion
The election is over and the candidate which nominated himself at the last minute got the most votes. If it was gaming the system it was successful. But most of the answers seem to suggest that it rather wasn't. What is maybe missing is a time period between nomination and election. Elections really shouldn't start right after the nomination period. This case may also highlight that the importance of the questionnaire may be overvalued. Maybe most voters actually don't read that much from the election page, before making up their decision. — Trilarion 36 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TheMaster
often thankless job I blame SO policy of avoiding Thanks! in comments. — TheMaster 5 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TheMaster
Thanks for doing a outstanding job of moderation! I like your stable attitude :) — TheMaster 17 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Trilarion
Many if not most of the new questions do not show any (re)search and are very likely duplicates. I often try to help and not only downvote but also leave a comment asking for the missing search part. I try to vary the wording and omit "what have you tried" but essentially it all means the same. I often feel that I sound like a broken record and it leaves me with a disappointed experience. I really wish, askers would do more research. I realize that many people do research and probably do not ask then, so the statistics is skewed anyway. In the end I arrive at: it is as it is. — Trilarion 49 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Coderino Javarino
@CodyGray That is, assuming that the score actually measures something useful. How confident are you that it does? the usefulness of the measure doesn't matter, what matters is how many people use the metric for their voting. I stand by what I said in meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/412343/… and strongly believe being the only one with 40/40 gave a huge boost that ultimately resulted in a win — Coderino Javarino 31 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Andrew T.
I noticed the comment on the question, "Maybe the question becomes easier to understand reading my posted solution", so I guess that's the issue: the question is possibly unclear to anyone, and even another commenter couldn't reproduce the issue. Remember that Q&A posted on SE (and SE network in general) is also expected to help others, not only the asker. I'm not sure if anyone else may find this question with its unclear issue and then find the answer helpful (that's one of the reasons for the downvote: not useful). — Andrew T. 30 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Coderino Javarino
No, I don't think that measure is useful. I don't even think general voting is useful. I have zero confidence for average person doing voting to be "fully informed" — Coderino Javarino 45 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TheMaster
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
Oh, sorry, I failed to make the connection to you being the same user who confused me before. You are making a demonstrative argument against the use of the metric altogether. Well, I suppose I can agree with that. The outcome of the election certainly has strengthened your case, even though it hasn't made your arguments any clearer. — Cody Gray ♦ 7 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by StoryTeller - Unslander Monica
Come on folks those aren't our flags... it's the flagged content — StoryTeller - Unslander Monica 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TheMaster
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Mari-Lou A
@Tomeriko The original "there's something wrong if we continue to skip primaries" has quite a different meaning to "it will be wrong if we continue to skip primaries". The original is a warning that elections are symbolic of things "going south" while the edited version states skipping the primaries is flat out wrong. — Mari-Lou A 36 secs ago
 
8:50 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Clive
But the excessive downvoting is sort of a message that your question was undesirable Don't want to sound harsh, but hyperbole aside (5 downvotes is "excessive" on a site with many thousands of users?), yes, that's exactly right - your question, in its given state, was undesirable, that's why it was downvoted and closed. You seem to know now, and accept, why it's undesirable for this site. And someone spent their precious time to test your work and try to squeeze some more info out of you in the comments. So concluding with words like toxic and de-humanization is, frankly, absurd. — Clive 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by cs95
Is this also how you vote in your country's elections? No research, no understanding of their policies or their views, just blindly vote for whoever your neighbors vote for? — cs95 51 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
@Mari-Lou Stack Overflow moderation occurs at an entirely different scale from other Stack Exchange sites. It has nothing to do with feeling unsupported by staff, or the job lacking "perks" (not that I know what such perks would be, other than getting a better, cleaner site). SO mods remind people of the extreme standard of duty that is required for moderating this site in order to ensure that people from other SE sites don't misjudge what type of commitment is really required here. We most definitely only want candidates who already know what the job is like. Nothing else is sustainable. — Cody Gray ♦ 25 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by MisterMiyagi
Can you please edit this meta-question to clarify what exactly you are asking? It's not clear to me whether it is about the comments, the voting, or something else. — MisterMiyagi 54 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Fabio says Reinstate Monica
@Mari-LouA Posting a picture of garbage to welcome new moderators is a tradition (kind of) on SO. People have been doing it for years. See 2016, 2017, 2019Fabio says Reinstate Monica 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Mari-Lou A
@CodyGray I'm aware of the site's credo and the sheer volume of bad or poorly formulated posts that are generated daily (despite my conspicuous non-participation). And I appreciate the dedication and stamina that many of SO's moderators possess, but it seems the number of passionate, and active moderators on SO is dwindling as it's clear from the other SE sites I frequent, the exception being Meta where... never mind. I was disappointed that Robert Harvey did not nominate themself but I can understand why. And that is part of what "support" and "recognition" means to me. — Mari-Lou A just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Mari-Lou A
As for "perks" that was an ill choice of expression because if it were true then those perks would generate only resentment and jealousy among many users, but I was thinking along the lines of gratification from TPTB. And the assurance that immunity is guaranteed when criticism is voiced by one or more of its volunteers. Are you free to express dissidence in private? I don't know, I would hope that to be the case. — Mari-Lou A 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Mari-Lou A
Who knows what goes on in the mind of a voter? To pretend otherwise is disingenuous. — Mari-Lou A 34 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user10186832
Congratulations to the new moderators, Zoe and Stephen Rauch! ... — user10186832 41 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Larnu
"But users who downvotes without commenting may not be contributing as much as they think." So what about users that upvote? Should they be explaining the vote, as otherwise they are contributing? Upvotes are work 5 times more than a downvote. "Also, the downvotes do not go away after editing. It strikes me as a bit harsh." Not correct. If the users who voted return after the edit they can change their vote; either remove it, or even upvote instead. If you don't want those initial downvotes, then ensure you put the effort in when you first post the question. — Larnu 35 secs ago
 
9:50 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Mari-Lou A
I wish I had the rep to edit or suggest an edit but... I don't. So, just to echo what @CodyGray said earlier, this was Ryan's first nomination by removing "one" and leaving the plural pronoun "themselves" it suggests that this was not the first election for either one user. — Mari-Lou A 1 min ago
 
10:14 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Scratte
If only the same voters came to meta and saw this.. ;) — Scratte 46 secs ago
 
10:24 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Serge Ballesta
Phew, what a philosophycal question: is any vote sensible as some voters could not have clearly understood the real implication of their vote, what the candidate really are nor what they will really do. Well of course Trump was once elected... I would just cite Churchill Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all the others.Serge Ballesta 52 secs ago
 
10:37 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Larnu
Looks correct on Google. I know little about SEO, however, I'm not sure how much SO can do a lot about Bing incorrectly inferring the date here. — Larnu 13 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Sebi
it seemed off to get a date before so went online (2009?) — Sebi 31 secs ago
 
10:59 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Larnu
I don't disagree it's "odd", @Sebi, just that on a competing Search Engine it looks correct. Though, Yahoo also reports 1999. — Larnu 47 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Larnu
I wonder if it's the Post ID, 19990704, and Bing/Yahoo are incorrectly inferring the date from that, as it's in the URL. — Larnu 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
The (deliberate?) misspelling of "spelling" (could be a reference to word differences like travelling vs. traveling and modeled vs. modelled) might have set them off. In any case, the pandemic was a devastating blow to the exceptionalism. — Peter Mortensen 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by BDL
The question ID is 19990704, might that be the problem? Plus an additional time zone conversion which shifts it by one day? — BDL 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Coderino Javarino
@SergeBallesta democracy is necessary in "real life" politics, because the candidates emphasize and promise different things, take different stances compared to others. Voters vote for the direction the nation should go, not just for the candidate's fitness to implement that direction. But that's not quite what is happening when it comes site moderation, is it? All candidates promise the same thing in different words, the question is literally just about their fitness. I see no upside of general vote compared to, say, existing mods simply doing an internal vote on the given candidates — Coderino Javarino 59 secs ago
 
11:22 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Scratte
@CoderinoJavarino I do not believe that to be true. You can vote for a candidate that is more prone to suspending users than talking to them first. Or one that is less likely to delete unpopular meta posts. Or one that closes and deletes posts instead of editing them. So your vote very much is a vote to the direction you want the site to go in. — Scratte 29 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jesper
"Close flags can only be raised by users with less than 3k reputation" That does not seem right. Why would you lose a privilege after gaining reputation? — Jesper 47 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dharman
@Jesper Because at 3k you are gaining a privilege of voting to close. There's no reason for you to flag anymore if you can vote to close. — Dharman 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jeanne Dark
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
Yes, downvotes are a very ineffective and blunt tool. But they won't give us better mechanisms. One way could be staged evolution of a question where voting (up or down) is the very last stage (with previous stages refining it until it is ready for voting). — Peter Mortensen 36 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Thorkil Værge
In English, currencies are abbreviated with uppercase letters whereas in Danish (and probably the other Scandinavian languages too), currencies are abbreviated with lowercase letters. So in Danish, it would be correct to write "400 sek" to refer to 400 Swedish kroner. — Thorkil Værge 1 min ago
 
12:15 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
Re "I may have chosen the wrong forum": The Stack Exchange sites are not forums (fora?). They are think tanks. — Peter Mortensen 6 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Suraj Rao
Please refer meta.stackoverflow.com/a/324071/4826457 for burnination request criteria. So far this one doesn't meet any of them. — Suraj Rao 52 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jeanne Dark
The flag will probably be declined. That's not something requiring mod intervention. You could have suggested an edit, but it may well have been rejected by the author. — Jeanne Dark 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tomerikoo
You should definitely not flag it for moderator attention. There is nothing special a mod can do here that us regular users can't. I think the key statement here is "When unsupported" and in such case you did good - edit it out... — Tomerikoo 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Larnu
I wouldn't say it is fluff/noise, no. Many of the users here are very well versed experts in their subjects. If you want to user to cite why it might be the most performant, add a comment asking them to do so. If you know it isn't performant, then you could comment why, or downvote and move on. — Larnu 36 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Scratte
Every time I've seen that statement, I find it's absolutely not the optimal solution at all. To me it just read the same as a <bling>-tag or an h1-header. Some times I'll compare the results of the Answers just to check up on my own bias. — Scratte 42 secs ago
 
12:55 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Bender the Greatest
You can remove unnecessary language while preserving the voice of OP. Remove superfluous statements like "Can you help me with this" but preserve the language used in conveying the actual problem they need to solve. That's how I approach it anyways. Only time I'll remove stuff from their description of the issue or conveyance of the answer is if it's detrimental or destructive to an otherwise good question or answer. — Bender the Greatest 7 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by ggorlen
The problem with absolute claims is they're almost always either the only text in the post and offer zero rationale, and usually coupled with bad-to-mediocre solutions. However, these statements are not a superfluous greeting or self-promotion, and removing it would be inappropriate unless it's a community wiki post. I usually add a comment asking "what makes this the best approach, exactly?" and downvote if it's a poor solution (usually it is). — ggorlen 37 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jeanne Dark
Does this answer your question? Can I retract a suggested edit?Jeanne Dark 13 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zaid Al Shattle
@JeanneDark No, I don't believe it does. — Zaid Al Shattle 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jeanne Dark
You can't cancel or retract a suggested edit. — Jeanne Dark 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zaid Al Shattle
Well, I am asking more specifically about the issue with the "ninja edit", and if that can harm me mostly. — Zaid Al Shattle 28 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by ggorlen
The problem with absolute claims is they're almost always the only text in the post and/or have no rationale provided, and usually accompany bad-to-mediocre solutions. However, these statements are not a superfluous greeting or self-promotion of a third-party tool, and removing it seems inappropriate unless it's a community wiki post. I usually add a comment asking "what makes this the best approach, exactly?" and downvote if it's also a poor solution (usually the case). — ggorlen 29 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jeanne Dark
It could be rejected. — Jeanne Dark 29 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Larnu
"if that can harm me mostly." If you send enough bad edit suggestions, you'll be stopped from sending them (as often) but 1 rejected edit certainly isn't going to do you any "harm". — Larnu 30 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jeanne Dark
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Yennefer
Thank you, I though it was plagiarism... but indeed is scraping. Yes. I close it. — Yennefer just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zoe
I assume you mean stackoverflow.com/review/suggested-edits/30056312. Conflicts don't count against you. — Zoe ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jeanne Dark
@Zoe I rather guess it was this one. — Jeanne Dark 6 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jeanne Dark
The reason you cannot retract or cancel a suggested edit is that a rejected edit is the worst that could happen to you and that's deemed not important enough to make devs spend time on it. — Jeanne Dark 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Scratte
It "only" really hurts your edit statistics. Most reviewers don't see the statistics until after they've reviewed the edit, but some user scripts will include them in the edit review itself. — Scratte 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zaid Al Shattle
@JeanneDark It is indeed that one — Zaid Al Shattle 1 min ago
 
1:39 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zaid Al Shattle
Also, just out of pure curiosity as I know meta doesn't affect rep; but I still kind of want to know why is this post getting down voted, Am I doing something wrong here that I should avoid in the future? — Zaid Al Shattle 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by silencedogood
@tink I wouldn't expect your mind to be changed... I think we're looking a dilemma created by conflicting outlooks: **the purist vs the utilitarian. ** And endless saga, no doubt. — silencedogood 16 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Scratte
Your post is a duplicate of sorts. This could be the reason for the votes. The information you want can be found if you spend an eternity learning how to find posts in meta ;) Don't worry about it. — Scratte 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zaid Al Shattle
@Scratte ahh, I see. Well, I've been around stackoverflow for a while, but only recently started to actively contribute, just trying to not make any mistakes if I can help it. Thanks. — Zaid Al Shattle just now
 
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[ Boson ] New comment posted by TylerH
@StephenC What's problematic about that synonymization? "REST-API" is redundant compared to "REST" (at least as far as the purpose of tags goes) so I don't see an issue. — TylerH 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by AGuyCalledGerald
"So enough celebrating; now get to work!" - is this paid for? — AGuyCalledGerald 43 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cristik
Not sure as the case discussed on this SO topic falls into the "follow-up" category. The OP asked the series before receiving an answer to any of those questions. — Cristik 24 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lundin
@Cristik Yes, my intention was to provide a general answer for future readers. — Lundin 20 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Stephen C
Ermm no. They mean different things to me. One is about the REST principles. The other is (usually) about using some API that has been design to be RESTful. But maybe that distinction is too fine. — Stephen C 58 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Stephen C
Well it should be. But we all know that people ask questions in the wrong place, and other people answer them rather than calling them out as off-topic. Anyhow. It is too late to undo that synonym. And probably pointless. — Stephen C 1 min ago
 
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[ Boson ] New comment posted by TylerH
@StephenC I see your point, but I agree that that distinction is too fine for the purposes of Stack Overflow. In terms of practical programming questions, there is no difference between how to apply REST principles (what would one be applying them to? An API (or one may choose to call it a "web service" instead of "API" if the client is not a person)) and how to use a REST API. — TylerH 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jeanne Dark
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TylerH
Perhaps you would prefer if we made restapi a synonym of rest-api instead, and then a separate discussion could be had about de-synonymizing rest-api from rest... — TylerH 35 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Larnu
"I have been noticing a trend which mostly the top users answer my question downvotes if I dont accept their answer." Do you have anything to back up this claim? Votes are anonymous, so either you're saying that the user has explicitly told you that they will downvote you if they don't answer, or you have access to the vote information. For the former, you should be mod flagging, and for the latter you're abusing your access. Which is it? — Larnu 23 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by neenkart
It doesnt answer my question. The guy downvoted my question, he deleted his answer right after I told him his answer is not useful. And all the downvoting came in a second. — neenkart 10 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Larnu
So, where are you seeing that this "guy" (or gal? Other gender?) downvoted you? Have they explicitly told you they did this? — Larnu 28 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by neenkart
I told this person the answer he/she gave me is not useful and he/she said its correct, I said its not working for me, and they kept insisting. I cannot understand why that person wanted to force me to accept their answer. — neenkart 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Suraj Rao
Your argument with the answerer and the voting your question received may not be related... — Suraj Rao 26 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Heretic Monkey
A trend is made up of multiple instances. If there is only one instance, it's not a trend. I'm sorry you had a negative experience, but interpolating from a single instance to a trend is a step too far, in my opinion. — Heretic Monkey just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by neenkart
You have a point, but isnt there a chance what I am telling might be true too. Getting all the questions downvoted, I asked last few months and years ago all together cannot be a coincidence. — neenkart 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Suraj Rao
If there is serial voting, there is a script that checks it. Give it about 24 hours to see if it reverses else mod flag with explanation. Check meta.stackexchange.com/questions/126829/…Suraj Rao 12 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Andy2K11
@Larnu Would it make any difference to you if it was a new user or someone with a high reputation? It's possible that an experienced developer could be new to SO but this doesn't seem to be the usual case. — Andy2K11 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by neenkart
@SurajRao, Ok, Thank you for the information. — neenkart 5 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Larnu
There are a few users that I trust in my area of expertise, @Andy2K11, but I've likely read the material they have published that backs up said claim. But there is at least 1 individual in the tags I am a (self proclaimed) expert in that has significantly more reputation than I do and I have questioned their claims/methods several times. TL;DR: For me Stack Overflow reputation has nothing to do with it, industry reputation does. — Larnu 46 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by neenkart
@HereticMonkey, yes, a trend is made up of multiple instances. Actually I didnt care first few times. And also my friends who uses stackoverflow had similar experiences. — neenkart 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tomerikoo
Does this answer your question? Disappearing comments on Stack OverflowTomerikoo 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by ggorlen
Totally anecdotal, but as an answerer, I've found that upvoting the question (and in some cases other answers) is the best way to get upvotes/accepts on my answer. In rare cases when I've felt compelled to downvote everything in a thread, it's rife with extremely low-quality, speculative answers to what's usually an unclear question. If I did offer an answer, I rarely expect much redemption in terms of votes or acceptance on it. In other words, the whole "kick everyone down to raise me up" perception doesn't seem to match reality. — ggorlen 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jeanne Dark
So you think the question is in no way whatsoever programming related? — Jeanne Dark 11 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by VLAZ
I'm not sure you mean "superfluous" there. The information you describe is neither excessive, nor unnecessary. Both of these are qualities of superfluous. The statement you mention might indeed be very relevant. Your point of contention seems to be that it's unverifiable or perhaps even wrong. — VLAZ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Robert Longson
If you don't think the existing answers are good enough, write your own. — Robert Longson 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jesper
This is definitely the correct answer. — Jesper 56 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by cigien
I'm confused by the close votes on this question. They're all for "not seeking input from the community", which doesn't seem to fit. This looks like a standard burnination request, and while the tag doesn't seem to satisfy the burnination requirements, that's not by itself a reason to close the question. — cigien 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by neenkart
@ggorlen, I agree with you. — neenkart 47 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by spicy.dll
@JeanneDark It's not directly programming related. Yes, you may need to consider the possibility of hash collisions while developing software, but this question is not formed in this context. — spicy.dll 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Sebi
It seems coincidental (only year/month match); — Sebi 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Pavlo Morozov
Hello @RobertLongson thanks. As you see in my question I explained that I posted comment on question as well as on some of answers. I will post an answer there, though if I not understand the answer of other member, can I comment to indicate I would prefer clarification? Here what I found on google though: You should submit a comment if you want to: Request clarification from the author; Leave constructive criticism that guides the author in improving the post; — Pavlo Morozov 25 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Robert Longson
If you don't understand the answer on a 6 year old question it's probably best you write a new question. You can refer to the existing question and its answers and explain what it is about them that you don't understand and why your research into this has been unsuccessful. — Robert Longson 19 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Martes Berkeley
@cigien There are no deleted comments, and I am also confused why everyone voted to close this question. Just because a burninate request is declined does not mean it should be closed. — Martes Berkeley 5 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Martin
In nearly all cases, I find that "most optimal solution" is an opinion as opposed to a statement of fact. Even best practise is simply an opinion (albeit of experts). I tend to treat these statement as the subjective terms that they typically are — Martin 41 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Patrice
you got...8 total downvotes on ALL your questions/answers. I think you may be exaggerating the "trend" in your mind.... :/ (if you are correct and it IS what happened in your case, it's obviously not a correct action. But it's hard to say it's a trend...) — Patrice 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by cigien
I can't speak for the motives of the close voters, but maybe it has something to do with the tag being the name of a recently elected moderator, and users felt you were just having a dig at the moderator rather than posting a burninate-request in good faith. — cigien 29 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Pavlo Morozov
Well, I could understand it is too old, though I work with Java, which have much longer backward compatibility period. The problem shown in question is absolutely valid today, so I not see why would we have few questions about same problem? Any ways thanks for your help but as I see you do not know the reason why my comments was removed. Sad, but I'll open new question as this marked as [duplicate] which is wrong. — Pavlo Morozov 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Patrice
(I shouldn't have linked the duplicate target... my comment got wiped -_-). For a question to not be considered a duplicate, you have to explain why the "dupe target" doesn't help. Saying "it's not a dupe" is.... not enough, as you can see here. — Patrice 10 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Pavlo Morozov
@Patrice So should I ask once more? :) — Pavlo Morozov 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by cigien
Unfortunately, the close banner suggesting you ask a new question is extremely misleading. However, the appropriate approach is to edit your original question to explain clearly why the linked duplicate target doesn't answer your question. — cigien 59 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Patrice
the guidance DOES say "ask a new one". But I think editing your original meta question is likely the best course of action here. — Patrice 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Pavlo Morozov
So if I understand correctly: 1 Edit original question to explain why it is not duplicate. 2. Ask new question with link to first one or what? — Pavlo Morozov 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dharman
I am sorry that you felt attacked by downvotes. It might be possible that you have really fallen victim to spite downvotes, but there is no pattern that moderators could do something about. There is also no evidence of who cast those downvotes. Nobody on the site can see who voted as it's all anonymous. It's only a couple of downvotes. Best to shrug it off and don't let it bring you down. Keep on posting to the site if you know that your questions and answers will help others. Upvotes will come for good posts. — Dharman 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Patrice
Just 1. that will send your original question in the "reopen queue", where ppl will vote on removing the duplicate mark, or not :). — Patrice 53 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dharman
Do not ask the same question again. This is against the rules. Edit the original question and mark it as ready for reopen . — Dharman 53 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Pavlo Morozov
Weird, though seems I got it. Thank you! — Pavlo Morozov 44 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Robert Longson
It's more that the people who asked and answered the question may not be active here any more and even if they are they may not want to update their answers. Asking a new question allows anyone who wants to to help you. — Robert Longson 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Laurel
When I see unreferenced statements like that, I automatically assume it's the author's opinion. Explicitly marking it as such is just unnecessary hedging: the meaning doesn't change at all. — Laurel 27 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Trilarion
@Laurel For you it might mean the same, for others it might be different. One could also assume that somebody who writes a confident statement like this knows more and just forgot to mention the reasons. — Trilarion 7 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Heretic Monkey
The answer to the marked duplicate of this meta question tells you all that is known about how to find out who and why your comments were removed. — Heretic Monkey 31 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Andy2K11
Sometimes it's a fact claim, other times opinion, but sometimes just a phrase like "this is an awesome answer for you". It might appear to be the later, but as it's been pointed out, it might be that there is a generally accepted standard optimal solution which domain experts would all recognise without explanation and I as a domain noob didn't know. I would consider "awesome" to be superfluous in most cases, but "optimal" adds a degree of ambiguity. — Andy2K11 21 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by PM 2Ring
The close banner that says "Ask a new question" is not telling you to ask the same question again. It's suggesting that you ask a different question. Generally, it's better to edit the old question that was closed as a dupe, clearly explaining how the answers of the dupe target don't adequately apply to your question. — PM 2Ring 30 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Pavlo Morozov
@RobertLongson as you clearly can see in question, one of authors responded, and was active. If I would ask new question it would become a duplicate - so I cannot agree on your comment, sorry. — Pavlo Morozov 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Robert Longson
And yet your comments are deleted so your way clearly doesn't work does it? — Robert Longson 7 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Makoto
So I added two more duplicates to this question, which should also address your concerns. You may not like the answer, but they are the answer. — Makoto 28 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Pavlo Morozov
S @HereticMonkey do you mean it is impossible to know who was the moderator deleted my comment? I believe comments was according the rules. Can I see moderator was not mistaken? — Pavlo Morozov 20 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Scratte
1. Comments are removed on the site for no other reason that they are comments. The person that removed them may very likely not even have read them. 2. Anyone that knows this can pretty much just flag comments that are critical to their post and have them removed. 3. You'll never be told who actually removed them. — Scratte 15 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TylerH
That's not really true @Scratte -- comments which are valuable are regularly left (and I'm sure any mod would tell you about comment flags which have been declined; I have had plenty). Likewise, mods often will say they deleted a comment when explaining why it was deleted. It's not a taboo/secret. However, if a comment was auto-deleted by sufficient NLN flags by normal users, then yes those users' identities would be kept secret. — TylerH 39 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Heretic Monkey
All I meant is that the answer to the original duplicate to this question answered this question. — Heretic Monkey 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Pavlo Morozov
@Scratte I see. So I cannot know who removed my comment. But how to see now why comment was removed? Can the answer be specific, like comment was rude, or not asked for clarification or some other reason? Otherwise seems like comment can be removed without reason, so why to have comments at all in this case? Random person can remove random comments... Seems not clear for me. — Pavlo Morozov 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Scratte
Just because someone was lucky and their comment were not removed by a flag, doesn't mean that another handling individual would not have removed the comment without reading it. Moderators are individuals and it's my impression that there's some disagreement about how to handle theses flags. — Scratte 50 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Scratte
You cannot know which flag was used. Very likely it was a "No longer needed" flag. If it had been an "unfriendly / unkind" you'll be notified at some point about your behaviour, if your comments persistently attract those flags. Though I suspect before someone contacts you, they will read your comment to check if there's really a cause to talk to you about them. If you feel your comments weren't rude, then don't worry about it. — Scratte 1 min ago
 
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