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5:00 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Makyen
Comments aren't actually removed during the election. The comments are still available under the election's nomination tab. While I think the comments should be visible on the election tab, it's inaccurate to think that they are gone/unavailable after the election starts. Unfortunately, having them only on the nomination tab does effectively hide them from most users. — Makyen ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by anastaciu
@Makyen so they are, I missed that, which reinforces your point Unfortunately, having them only on the nomination tab does effectively hide them from most users. It's better than not having them though. — anastaciu 30 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Fabian
Would using a bot that automatically reads election notifications be an option? — Fabian 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by j__carlson
@toolic that would typically work, but the most current post I've seen with this issue was closed due to it. — j__carlson 59 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Shog9
I could've left the y axis off of that one entirely, @Peter - the actual % number is irrelevant, it's just a way to normalize the volume to make comparisons over time a bit less flaky (for instance, if the total volume of comments are increasing / decreasing then you'd somewhat expect a corresponding variation in flag volume). Some spikes are actually spikes, some diminish or disappear when normalized. — Shog9 1 min ago
 
5:20 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TylerH
@Mars It's not so much about restarting/re-installing before checking Stack Overflow, it's about restarting/re-installing before asking about it on Stack Overflow. — TylerH 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Conscius_Sibi
@MisterMiyagi thanks for the advice! Yeah the two extra descriptions just followed after the comments from mister sphinxy who closed the question because it was too broad, had too little text,.... It's the 15th version (and the graph is still from the initial version). I let it be at this point, I'll ask a prof, takes less time :) — Conscius_Sibi 36 secs ago
 
5:42 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by davidbak
I think we've finally found a place where the politics are even more vicious than the academy because the stakes are even lower. Sadly, that place is here. — davidbak 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by EJoshuaS - Reinstate Monica
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
Your last edit only introduced what we call "meta noise". The reference should go as an edit on your SO question. Whether we "close" this question is decided by reviewers and they will do so without the need for guidance in the question. — rene 40 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by davidbak
Easy solution: Next time make the deadline 5 minutes earlier. That'll fix the problem! (My friend Zeno suggested this, he's thought about this kind of thing a lot.) — davidbak 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by DavidG
How about we have a commenting phase in the middle then? That way all nominees get the same amount of time for folk to pose questions and make points. The lack of a meta post this year is particularly frustrating for me because I don't have a place to do that now, or see other people making comments that I was unaware of. I have no idea who to vote for now. — DavidG 46 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Luminous
singlespa.js also exists and has parcel defined as "... a framework agnostic component. It is a chunk of functionality meant to be mounted manually by an application, without having to worry about which framework was used to implement the parcel or application." It would be good to separate them out. — Luminous 1 min ago
 
6:25 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TheMaster
The community can undelete it, but I wonder whether the question is of any use, if a high rep user is willing to delete it(probably because he's embarrassed of the question) — TheMaster just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Joe
Perhaps edit the feature-request icon into the answer to make it clear that's what you're doing? — Joe 1 min ago
 
6:45 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Makyen
In general, we don't lock posts unless it appears that the dispute over the content is going to continue. In other words, step 3 here shouldn't follow directly after step 4. There should be some intervening action (e.g. the question OP rolling back your rollback). — Makyen ♦ 57 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cristik
Sounds good, regarding the last action item, why should I cast a delete vote? If the question is as bad as the OP says, they'll delete it themselves, if the question is good, then why deleting it? — Cristik 28 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by NotThatGuy
"why even lock comments during the election" - to avoid people potentially bringing things up in the middle of an election and having a lot of people vote based on that information before the nominee can defend themselves (or before it can be deleted, if it violates commenting guidelines), and having a lot of people who already voted, who didn't get to see that. — NotThatGuy 27 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dharman
@Cristik You should only vote to delete if you think the question should be deleted. — Dharman 50 secs ago
 
7:27 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Larnu
I would suggest if you are recommending an alternative website, you note your affiliation, if any. Otherwise it could (would) be seen as spam. — Larnu 37 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick
And only do so in comments, not as an answer. — Nick 38 secs ago
 
7:44 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user4581301
I often recommend trying other sites. In your case it's easy as you have one in mind. Refrain from telling the asker to go elsewhere without suggesting a site that you feel comfortable recommending because if the asker googles something up odds are uncomfortably high that they'll wind up on a site that makes them a WORSE programmer. — user4581301 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user4581301
Why blue? You'd think that by now Microsoft would have gone with a happier colour to cheer their users up after a crash. Maybe a rainbow with a self-affirming message, like "Sure, I crashed, but tomorrow I'll get you to the top ranks on the Wing Commander kill board!" People are still playing Wing Commander, right? — user4581301 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by halfer
Now that the sole answer has an upvote, OP deletion isn't possible, as far as I know. — halfer 35 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
As long as you focus on why the question doesn't go well in the Q/A model and that the question might go well on a forum/chat/mentor/tutor site, then you should be okay. The user is welcome to try another question later that does fit the Q/A model. A link to the help center can help for background on what is different on a Q/A site. — rene 12 secs ago
 
8:19 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Rafael Tavares
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Talha Tayyab
Awesome! SO rocks! — Talha Tayyab 53 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by mbrig
@DanielWiddis I think Cyan is saying that you can "reference" things in an SO answer without outright copying code. Licensing is a copyright thing and doesn't protect ideas. If somebody has an answer describing an algorithm, and I implement code based on it, the SO link helps explain it, but the licensing rules don't effect my implementation at all. — mbrig 12 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Scratte
I guess we'll have to disagree on that. I think it's too spacey. It puts emphasis in all the wrong places. It neglects the fact that menus are suppose to appear on the top. And the top tags are now taking up double the space that it used to while making the actual tags tiny.. — Scratte 56 secs ago
 
8:44 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jeanne Dark
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
Tis the nature of "responsive design". Rather than having different results to best compliment the device the page is viewed on, we get one that often favors one over the rest. (can you guess which this design favors?) — Kevin B 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by VLAZ
Maybe it's caching? — VLAZ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by VLAZ
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ivar
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Elikill58
Caching from 3 days ? long caching, strange — Elikill58 35 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Daniel Widdis
@mbrig I agree, and that's the correct way to do it. Unfortunately, there are scripts out there which search for the Stack Overflow URL to try to catch license issues, and they are dumb. It is far more work to add more comments to document how the link inspired the change but it was written separately.... I just avoid including any URLs at all to avoid catching the attention of those scripts. — Daniel Widdis 6 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Travis J
Oof. The contrast is far too high in multiple places. There is only a 3:1 requirement for UI critical components. Other than that, borders, hr elements, etc. which are non critical, there is no defined contrast ratio. webaim.org/articles/contrastTravis J 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ann Zen
@halfer The (now 2) upvotes on the answer were all cast less than an hour ago, and this post is 2 hours old, so the answer had 0 upvotes at first. — Ann Zen 14 secs ago
 
9:30 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
It was rejected by the author of the post. Unfortunately, you can't assume they know what they're doing. — Cody Gray ♦ 10 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by VLAZ
@KevinB Portrait Overflow design... — VLAZ 46 secs ago
 
9:49 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by halfer
@Ann: it would not surprise me. While I don't think people should vote based on a Meta-post, it is somewhat understandable that people use votes to stop people deleting their content in a way that deletes other peoples' content. — halfer 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Elikill58
Sorry it's quite off-topic, but I have same issue (reported here) for this edit. Can you help me? Should I bump my meta question? — Elikill58 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by gnat
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
@Elikill58 Sure, no problem. That's a valid edit, and I was still able to retroactively approve it, so I did. I think I remember looking at your Meta question, but it slipped off my radar before I could take any action. — Cody Gray ♦ 13 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Elikill58
Ok thanks <3 And I understand, there is lot of question so it's normal to don't act on all — Elikill58 9 secs ago
 
10:24 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by NotThatGuy
"Their question may be for them, but the answer should be for anyone that searches for the same problem. If ..., at least post the answer back" - wait, isn't this about questions that are off topic (and thus should be deleted and not answered)? — NotThatGuy 54 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TylerH
Tough call either way. Thank you for the transparency in this regard. — TylerH 32 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Makoto
Only thing I take umbrage to here is your choice of words when it comes to this process. This is far from "manipulation" of the election process. — Makoto 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
I confess that I do not quite understand your question. Personally, I think the comments lauding and/or criticizing the candidates are an important and essential part of the nomination process, even though they can sting at times. It is the one place we make an exception to our rules that you cannot cast aspersions on another user's' character. However, if you're asking whether we're going to punish people who expressed feelings of, "Meh, I don't care about the plagiarism, I'm going to vote for them anyway", then… obviously, the answer is no. We don't punish thought-crimes. — Cody Gray ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick
While on the topic, has anyone heard from Shree in the last day? It is quite out of the ordinary for him to be so inactive that even his comment reporting bot in his chatroom is offline. — Nick 45 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Andras Deak
@Makoto I don't mean to imply bad faith; they did what they had to do, and what I'd probably have done in their shoes. However "pull out a candidate mid-election" is by definition manipulation. Manual change. Forceful reconfiguration. But yes, I don't intend the word to have moral charge here. — Andras Deak 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
The candidate wasn't "punished". In fact, we specifically decided not to punish (our punishment in such cases is to suspend). We have only retracted the nomination because of the clear and compelling evidence of plagiarism. This is not meant as a punishment, nor is it a "manipulation" of the election process. The election process has rules, and they're regularly enforced. Joke candidates have been withdrawn in this election as well as previous ones. If you have evidence that a candidate violated one of the site's rules, then please present it in a confidential mod flag; we'll investigate. — Cody Gray ♦ 46 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by NotThatGuy
What does "accept our refuse" mean? At face value you seem to be saying that you're not sure whether OP will accept us saying he shouldn't do that, but that just leaves me very confused about what you're trying to say. — NotThatGuy 41 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Undo
Valid concerns. We are very much not interested in getting in the business of pre-vetting candidates. We don't even agree that the questionnaire is useful at all on modern Stack Overflow. We can't ignore plagiarism, though, and we think this is the line we're required to draw. — Undo ♦ 25 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Undo
To answer your question directly: "may have resorted to dishonest means to get around the expectation of answering it" - yes, if there are people blatantly breaking rules as foundational as plagiarism, we'll investigate it. "Questionable actions" is going too far, I think we'll always err on the side of being hands-off in elections. — Undo ♦ 31 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
Furthermore, we are not recognizing as "false" the assumption that voters could have made their own decision, taking the evidence into account. We still generally feel that is true. However, we had no choice but to step in because one of the candidates literally broke the site's rules during the nomination process. This isn't just a general condemnation of dishonesty. It is a specific condemnation of a specific type of dishonesty: plagiarism, which is called out very clearly in the rules. — Cody Gray ♦ 44 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Andras Deak
Thank you both. And fair enough, @Cody, although arguably removing a candidate's chance to be a moderator (even with good reason) is punishment in itself. — Andras Deak 34 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Makoto
No, that's not what I'm on about here, @CodyGray. It's just that in the face of this kind of event happening, and that there are users who would praise or laud a candidate in spite of that colored history, then I'm curious if this could turn into some kind of data point in the future for the CM team to keep an eye on. We've seen it before with some nominations of users who were horrible candidates and yet they'd still get flecks of praise from others. Not saying anyone needs to be punished. That'd be silly. Just wondering if this is some data that should be captured somehow. — Makoto 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Makoto
@NotThatGuy: We turn down a broad variety of questions because we're not a help desk. I don't want to dump the questions that we didn't want to answer onto some other website because they think they could handle it. I especially wouldn't want to just based on a single representative of that site, as well. — Makoto 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
@Nick No, we haven't. We tried to reach out to him privately first, but that wasn't working out. We have no idea why he has been unavailable, and we would prefer not to speculate. He may simply be having Internet issues, for example. — Cody Gray ♦ 44 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by NotThatGuy
Oh, "you" is "that site", not "OP". — NotThatGuy 48 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Catija
In this case, there's not really anything we can go by to judge - comments could only be created on the election nominations up until the voting began and the issues with the answers weren't called out publicly on meta until after that - so, while we could look at the comments on that post, that would have generally limited impact on the election as the comments were not tied to the election directly. — Catija ♦ 21 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by sorosh_sabz
Why someone try to close this question? What is the problem of this question? — sorosh_sabz 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by 11_22_33
No, because community will degenerate if there will be no "fresh blood". You are so zeal to talk in terms of "value", "quality" and "primary goals", maybe you are G-d? Giving help to newbies will encourage them in IT. Can you remember yourself doing your first steps, sir computer science professor? — 11_22_33 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zoe
There's a few too many coincidences at play though. I'm genuinely worried about Shree, largely for the reasons Nick already mentioned. Shree was also online after the bot went offline (by a day), so an internet problem is unlikely. Probably not a discussion that's appropriate to have here, though. — Zoe 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
The difference here, I think, is that the concerns you have other actions of another candidate relate to behavior that you think is unethical and, therefore, in your opinion, unbecoming to the conduct of a moderator. That is a completely valid opinion to hold, to base your vote on, and even to express publicly in the context of the ongoing election. However, the actions that bother you didn't break any rules as they are currently defined, so we are not going to be taking any action there. After the election is over, perhaps we can start a discussion about modifying the process. — Cody Gray ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by philipxy
"These 3 text portion describe exactly what the diagram looks like" But partly your question is, does the diagram agree with the text. So you contradict yourself--you know it does, but you don't know whether it does. Anyway my request for a text version of the diagram (and, implicitly via the request for its method, a legend for it) has nothing to do with the rest of asking your question. You keep not doing as requested. You say many questions are 1 question. You say yours is the 1 method while I have said there are many. You name it via comment not edit. Etc. Good luck. — philipxy 57 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by jonrsharpe
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Andras Deak
Yeah, I completely get that, @Cody. Still, this sets new precedent and I thought there to be worth in discussing this point. — Andras Deak 55 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Makoto
@Catija: Okay, that makes sense. I think I'm satisfied with that response then. — Makoto 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Machavity
FWIW participation in the questionnaire has always been voluntary. It's not a good idea for a candidate to ignore it, but there's no rule there — Machavity ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by 11_22_33
Every time you are silently closing questions, you are ruthlessly hammering a nail into stackoverflow's coffin. Do you like getting stupid error "something goes wrong, try again later"? We are people here, don't be a robot! — 11_22_33 36 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Undo
It was used; Shree's nomination was withdrawn by a CM. You can see it in the withdrawn state at the bottom of the election page. — Undo ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Travis J
I see you outraged all the time on metaSO about exceptionally minor issues, yet when a significant amount of plagiarism occurs, you are not only okay with it but condemn the team for taking action against it solely because you are familiar with the user in question? — Travis J 35 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Machavity
If you view the nomination it was withdrawn. Last year, we had to edit the nomination to note it was withdrawn. The note is more about how votes are handled. That hasn't changed. — Machavity ♦ 38 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Michael Szczesny
I don't know if OP can't see the reason of the close vote: 'needs detail and clarity' (not my vote). There is kubernetes, so it seems to depend on the question not the topic. — Michael Szczesny 42 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Xnero
[ Boson ] New comment posted by 11_22_33
I'm sure you have never asked for help with homework. You answer was written to claim that you are much better than this girl? Dukakis, you are holy :) — 11_22_33 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user4581301
Why does a Q&A database need a community or a culture? Aren't questions and answers enough? — user4581301 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Andras Deak
@TravisJ I apologise for my English if my answer came across in any way as "condemning the team for taking action". I tried to explicitly reinforce the contrary. I can't do more given my grasp on the language, as okay as it may be. As people like to remind me, it's good to assume good faith. You seem to assume that I can't simultaneously think that Stephen Rauch and Shree both failed the community as mod nominees. The whole reason I'm flogging the former horse is that I have principles and Stephen has failed us. I can condemn more than one inappropriate candidate at a time. — Andras Deak 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by sorosh_sabz
I try to specify domain of question, deployment and administration what is details you need? — sorosh_sabz 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Makoto
@user4581301: To be clear, we do have community and a culture. — Makoto 30 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by sorosh_sabz
I think aggressive down-voting is very unwelcoming experience for new user, and I think new user is very important for stackoverflow.com — sorosh_sabz 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Makoto
@AndrasDeak: You can flog the other (dead) horse in this question. There is a fundamental difference between violating a norm and violating the rules. — Makoto 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user4581301
Aggressive downvoting would be unwelcoming, but how can you tell an aggressive downvote from one lodged purely as a ranking mechanism? — user4581301 42 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dharman
I feel the same about upvoting. I really don't understand why people upvote some posts. — Dharman 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dharman
Please explain how administration relates to programming. This sounds like a sysadmin issue. — Dharman 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ryan M
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cyan
@mbrig interpretation is correct : the link to the SO article is just a way to explain a relatively complex logic as to why things are done a certain way. But there's no code copy pasted from there. Now, I certainly understand also the issue that "if someone just have a script scrubbing for SO url and immediately flag any SO URL as "RED ALERT!!!"", then it's a lot of effort to explain every time why it's a false positive, even if it's blatantly obvious, since dumb scripts don't "think", they just brutally "apply". And by extension, users of these scripts act the same way. — Cyan 49 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cyan
Thanks for the suggestion @nvoigt. The question wasn't about copying code from SO, but only about linking to an interesting SO article explaining a complex logic, without any code involve. So I believe they are 2 separate questions. — Cyan 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user4581301
Despite all of my above mockery, I am in favour of explaining downvotes. I know it's not for everyone because I've had some bad experiences with people who couldn't separate themselves from their question or understand why their question could not be answered as it was presented. I also know to comment and then downvote. When I downvote first, odds are good the question will be deleted before I can drop the explanatory comment. No one learns from that. — user4581301 15 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by nbk
this was a bad decision as i clearly stated, who are you to decode what people think are useful. — nbk 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
I am profoundly in favor of aggressive downvoting. And aggressive upvoting. Vote on the posts based on their quality. We aren't voting on people. The tooltip contains all the information you need to explain the votes. — Cody Gray ♦ 30 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by philipxy
"These 3 text portion describe exactly what the diagram looks like" But partly your question is, does the diagram agree with the text. So you contradict yourself--you know it does, but don't know whether it does. Anyway my request for a text version of the diagram (and, implicitly via the request for its method, a legend for it) has nothing to do with the rest of asking your question. You keep not doing as requested. You say many questions are 1 question. You say yours is the 1 method while I have said there are many--like your textbook says. You name it via comment not edit. Etc. Good luck. — philipxy 49 secs ago
 
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