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12:09 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by πάντα ῥεῖ
@CodyGray ye faster, ye better. Let closures and deletions rule in janitoring the hall. — πάντα ῥεῖ 6 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Bhargav Rao
Well, people do have lives outside of Stack Overflow. :) — Bhargav Rao ♦ 1 min ago
 
12:30 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by ayhan
As far as I remember, the badges were sorted by a metric of how rare they were (see meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/291748/…). It seems like with the new changes to the profile page, that option is gone. I think the wording is a leftover from that. — ayhan 35 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Hikari
I also agree that it's a matter of responsibility with one's users, not a matter of popularity. FIDO may never become popular as it requires buying a hardware device. Still, it's the current best solution for authentication. Using OpenID isn't an alternative, as one of FIDO's features is precisely privacy, so that our accounts on multiple services aren't tied together. IMHO one of the reasons OpenID is bad is because its base functionality relies on the main company knowing all the services and portals we're using it to login. — Hikari 53 secs ago
 
 
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1:52 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Andrew T.
If it's about candidate score specifically, then How is candidate score calculated?. — Andrew T. 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jeremy Caney
@BhargavRao: What. — Jeremy Caney 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jeremy Caney
One of my early suggested edits on the site fixed an extensive number of grammatical and readability issues on a high-rep contributors answer. The edit was approved in the review queue but rejected by the author, who then applied most of my changes under his own account. (If I recall, this later happened again with the same contributor.) As an fledgling contributor, it left a lousy taste in my mouth regarding edits. Fortunately, it's since proved to be quite rare, and thus I don't mind taking time to make extensive grammatical edits to otherwise useful answers. — Jeremy Caney 1 min ago
 
2:27 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Undo
Upvoting because you raise the serious concern: This precedent must not be used by existing moderator teams to “pre-vet” candidates. Ever. I saw, and participated, in the decision being made. Only because of that, I know that no one on the SO team wants to get in the business of filtering candidates for “goodness” or fitness with the existing team. — Undo ♦ 28 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Undo
We felt this is the minimum acceptable response for the offense that occurred - but you should be skeptical. Short of publishing our transcripts, I can’t prove our motivations. You are right to look on an unprecedented response to an unprecedented situation with concern. Keep us honest. — Undo ♦ 27 secs ago
 
2:40 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by ugh StackExchange
Me and you have a very different idea of acceptable responses. I feel like the minimum acceptable response is let the community decide. That is what elections are for: no? Present your concerns, advise by raising discussions in meta, and let the community come to a decision: It's the democratic process. — ugh StackExchange 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by andrewJames
Thank you @ayhan I am sure that is it. The panel doesn't show "rare" badges - it just shows the rarest of those which have been awarded. Obvious in hindsight. — andrewJames 59 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Scratte
Maybe start by considering what about moderation you like.. editing? reviewing? investigating fraud? finding spam? "Not an Answers"? Something else? — Scratte 32 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
Candidates who break the site rules are not legitimate candidates. Democracy doesn't mean "anything goes". There are still standards. If you commit fraud during the election, you are not eligible to be elected. There is, I'll grant, as @Undo already has, a real danger of a slippery slope, but the check against that is ensuring that the rules are never made after the election (or any other democratic process) has started, and that the rules are always made clearly known to everyone. In this case, they were not only clearly known, but agreed to by all in advance. — Cody Gray ♦ 10 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
@Jeremy Expanding on this a bit… Both moderators and post owners have the retroactive ability to override a community decision on a suggested edit. So, in your case, the community of reviewers approved it, but the post owner override that approval with a rejection. In this case, the community reviewers rejected the edit, but I used my moderator privileges to override that rejection with an approval. In both cases (post owner and moderator), this retroactive override can only be done if there are no intervening edits. Anyway, sorry to hear about that; suggested edit reviewing is quite imperfect — Cody Gray ♦ 46 secs ago
 
3:14 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
Anyone know if we have a canonical Q&A here on Meta along the lines of "How can I get started with contributing to curation activities?" That would be the best duplicate, as participating in user-level moderation (which we often call "curation") is the best training for becoming a diamond moderator. I couldn't find one, but maybe someone wants to put their encyclopedic knowledge of Meta up against mine? — Cody Gray ♦ 7 secs ago
 
3:27 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dan Mašek
@Nick Would you stick around? He messed up, but on top of that, there's been a lot of pretty disgusting hostility involved in this election. I kind of find it hard to believe that there are still people willing to run for this. — Dan Mašek 1 min ago
 
3:54 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by cigien
 
4:10 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Samuel Liew
Come join us in the election chat room, we have a bot that tells you what you're missing. — Samuel Liew ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
@cigien Thanks! Close, and useful, but not quite what I had in mind. Maybe we should think about creating one? I am thinking something very close to the "How does a new user get started on SO?" question, but focused less on a brand-new user and more on a user who's had an account for a while, but wants to start getting more into curation/moderation activities. codeMagic's answer to the first question comes the closest, but even more details and specific guidance would be great. — Cody Gray ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by cigien
@CodyGray Yeah, I think that a would be useful Q&A. — cigien 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Sebastian Simon
What about chat? E.g. seeing your tags, there’s a JavaScript room and a Python room. — Sebastian Simon 19 secs ago
 
4:37 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Mr_Green
Seems unfair. you can't expect a billion answers for a single simple question. It is like the user was trying to +1 but he/she thought to explain the same in their own words. That proves the user read it and understands. If anyone has a problem, the user should just update the post by mentioning they agree to the same from another user. removing from the election is too harsh and offensive. Also what is with the public shaming user profile here? what is this site becoming? — Mr_Green 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
@Mr_Green Yes, it would have been a far better course of action for the user in question to just indicate that they agree with the answers from other specific candidates and that they would moderate in a similar way. That would have done three things. First, it would have avoided the plagiarism issue; second, it would have given attribution to the others whose work they were borrowing; third, it would have still served the purpose of informing the electorate. However, that was not done. Instead, what was done was to copy others' work and claim it as their own. That is not allowed. — Cody Gray ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
The intention here is not public shaming, but rather transparency. When someone nominates themselves in a moderator election, they become a very high-profile and public personality. If someone does not want that scrutiny, they should not nominate themselves as a candidate for moderator. We take transparency very seriously. When a candidate is removed from an ongoing election, we need the electorate to understand very clearly what happened and also why it happened. We tried very hard to keep the "shaming" to a minimum, but suppressing the information simply won't do. — Cody Gray ♦ 8 secs ago
 
4:57 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by EJoshuaS - Reinstate Monica
Withdrawing someone's candidature is not, strictly speaking, punitive. — EJoshuaS - Reinstate Monica 20 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Mr_Green
The userpublic admission should be more than enough. Mods should not have any concernswith the user — Mr_Green just now
 
5:17 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Mr_Green
The user's public admission is more than enough as attribution. Mods should not have any problem with the post. If the other users have a problem then mods can just link the public admission post over there. I am not sure what is being expected to become a mod. The user is already a marshall so he definitely does great work with flags which proves the user has a good understanding of moderation and it is the main thing required for a mod to do. We tried very hard to keep the "shaming" to a minimum?? — Mr_Green 40 secs ago
 
5:34 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Scratte
@Mr_Green The marshal badge is 500 flags, and it's hit relatively fast when a user starts to curate. Some users really push on and get that much flagging done in 3 days. Apart from that, the amount of flags are irrelevant. This post isn't about shaming, it's about people voting and they need to know that a candidate is withdrawn. Also, this is meta, that it's not feasible to make a withdrawal without adding the reason. That's it. — Scratte 59 secs ago
 
6:07 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by tripleee
For what it's worth, repro on MacOS with Brave (i.e. essentially Chromium) — tripleee 1 min ago
 
6:19 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Conscius_Sibi
@philipxy I understand, the reviews are crucial for quality on stack overflow. I got sort of frustrated with it, so apologies if I came across as rude/mean. — Conscius_Sibi 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by ugh StackExchange
@CodyGray Well, I'm sure I've broken some rules by being argumentative with a fellow poster, and I've been warned/my comments removed. Does this make me ineligible to be a moderator? The community decided a long time ago, that "a user suspended in the last year is ineligible". When did the rules change, that a non-suspension worthy event made a candidate ineligible? It's not up to the moderators to make a unilateral decision: There was no discussion with the community, no rule change being discussed, just unilateral action...and THIS is wherein lies the problem. — ugh StackExchange 1 min ago
 
6:45 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by philipxy
You have only been respectful. — philipxy 54 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
Are you volunteering, then? — Cody Gray ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
Can't. Monkeys aren't eligible for public office. It's unfair, I know. But it's the Law. — yivi 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by philipxy
You have only been respectful. PS The answers at the linked page are contradicted by your textbook. (Why don't you know that?) (Rhetorical.) — philipxy 35 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Sebastian Simon
The entry of the withdrawn candidate is still in the list. It doesn’t say “active candidates: 6”. It seems consistent with the number of answers on a Q&A page: 10k rep users can see deleted answers and the answer count includes these. — Sebastian Simon 59 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
Sshh, don't tell that to these 24 monkeys! — Cody Gray ♦ 27 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
@SebastianSimon I guess you are right. Still seems wrong to me, though. — yivi 8 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
It is your contention that none of the answers to the linked questions contain any information about how to solve the problem? — Cody Gray ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by magisch
@Mr_Green When you participate in partly or fully automated or niche moderation efforts, the marshal badge will take you about 20 days or so to earn from scratch. It's a good indicator that someone participates actively in the flagging system, but not in and of itself an indicator for anything else. — magisch 47 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by OverLordGoldDragon
@CodyGray They don't directly answer the question. They provide information which can help, which isn't the same. I have an answer, but can't post it on the closer duplicate since it's also closed. — OverLordGoldDragon 48 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
Yeah, it sucks and it's a less than ideal situation. But letting it stand would have been even less ideal. Too bad it wasn't caught during the candidacy phase, so that Shree had time to either fix the issue one way or another, or withdrawn voluntarily and avoid the drama. — yivi 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ryan M
@SebastianSimon There are two withdrawn candidates (1, 2) not included in that count. The difference is that they withdrew before the election. — Ryan M 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Haem
As an aside, real lawyers (at least ones from the US) tend to go through a song and dance about how they are not offering tailored legal advice because that would make them responsible for the recipient acting on that advice. — Haem 31 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Alexei Levenkov
Don't let your reputation to prevent regular edit of the question to explain why it is not a duplicate. The guidance on how to deal with duplicates is the same for all users... Also you may want to specify what kind of "why" you are looking for there - clearly duplicates link/cite some documentation, since that is not what you are looking for maybe you need historical background... — Alexei Levenkov 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Alexei Levenkov
This question probably should be closed as duplicate of FAQ meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/252252/…... since @CodyGray thought there is something unique here I'd not suggest duplicate either. — Alexei Levenkov 59 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
It has been officially determined that this is a bug. It should only count the active candidates, so the correct number is 5. A dev will take a look at it when they have time, probably after the weekend. — Cody Gray ♦ 26 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
I only held off on hammering because I don't have the subject-matter expertise in Python to make a call about the veracity of the initial closure. But, regardless, I do agree it should be handled in the normal way, by editing to clarify the difference. I'm just skeptical that a Q&A answering "why' would not also provide the answer of how to fix it. After all, once you understand the root cause of a problem, the solution is often exceedingly trivial. — Cody Gray ♦ 42 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by OverLordGoldDragon
@AlexeiLevenkov That duplicate isn't a duplicate at all. I ask not what to do in the general closure case, but when part of the question is a duplicate and part isn't. So far I'm told "but the parts are basically same" - even if they are in this case, they aren't in general. — OverLordGoldDragon 37 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by OverLordGoldDragon
Any "partial" question can be formulated as a standalone so a "no" isn't an option anyway. In this case it just wastes a post but guess that's the system. — OverLordGoldDragon 52 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
Meh. I reopened because even if I think the FAQ advice is the correct and appropriate one (if you do not believe the dupe applies, edit to improve/clarify), I thought that maybe a someone would want to post an answer that dealt specifically with the "specific question" aspect, and with the "should I open a new question" angle. — yivi 7 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Alexei Levenkov
I can edit your original question so it is not longer duplicate - just let me know what type of "why" you are looking for (since even historical links from duplicate like python.org/dev/peps/pep-0601 are not what you are looking for). — Alexei Levenkov 5 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
@AlexeiLevenkov Since they claim the "why" is adequately answered by the dupe, and that they are only after "what to do about" now, wouldn't the "what type of 'why'" be irrelevant for an edit? Or am I misunderstanding things? — yivi 1 min ago
 
7:54 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by OverLordGoldDragon
@AlexeiLevenkov I already get the "why". What the questions don't ask for, and the answers don't answer, is what exactly to do about it - a simple workaround, if one exists at all (which it does, and I have found). What I'm not sure what to do is whether to just open a new question or drop the "why" entirely and make it the new question. — OverLordGoldDragon 35 secs ago
 
8:20 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Andras Deak
@ughStackExchange it was in part the CMs, who set down the rules themselves. And in part it was the moderator team, who are the best representation of the community we can imagine. We, as you said, observed due diligence electing each and every one of them, and they are all excellent representatives. If the CMs and our mods agreed, this was the right call. And note that nobody said this was a good choice. By all means it seems to be a lesser of two evils. — Andras Deak 12 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tadeusz Kopec
@TylerH Nearly all questions are different than in 2018. — Tadeusz Kopec 46 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by DavidG
It's a shame Shree didn't pull out immediately since it would have avoided all this unpleasantness that has followed. But I do agree with this decision, and I imagine it was an incredibly hard discussion for the mods and CMs to have. I hope we can all move on now and, this is important, lets not direct and personal attacks at Shree. I'm sure he already feels pretty awful. — DavidG 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Sam Dean
@NotThatGuy locking the comments has enabled that exact thing to happen. One nominee was accused of a bunch of stuff with no proof. The nominee that signed up last minute had none of that. So now if people look at the comments and see bad things for one and nothing for the other that could well unfairly swing their vote — Sam Dean 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by magisch
@ughStackExchange the community didn't decide that, iirc that was a executive decision by the CM team. — magisch 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by PM 2Ring
Since you now understand the "why" of the behaviour of try: ... finally:, and you have a workaround, what's the purpose of asking a new question? — PM 2Ring 37 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Gimby
I for a large part agree with your post, except the last bit. This is not a presidential election, this is an election to draft more elevated janitors / fall guys. There is at no point anything dangerous about any of this, especially writing it out in all caps is hyperbole. It is at the worst annoying, but the owners of the site can still run their site as they please. — Gimby 26 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by ugh StackExchange
@yivi You say "let it stand", but I think that him coming forward, and the meta posts regarding the subject were more than enough of discussion to alter people's votes and allow him to atone for the actions he took. It's a dangerous precedent to unilaterally remove someone's nomination without their consent. While I feel he no longer deserved my vote, that was MY call, not the Community Manager's. — ugh StackExchange 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
This is exactly what we are all hoping, yes. You've expressed the sentiments of the mod team much more succinctly than I could manage to above. :-) — Cody Gray ♦ 57 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by ugh StackExchange
@Gimby And it was the owners of the site who originally decided to leave it to the community to decide. The rules that were put in place regarding past suspensions, and other requirements for being elected were discussed by the community, and ultimately put in place. To alter rules in the middle of an election, goes against the democratic process. — ugh StackExchange 23 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by OverLordGoldDragon
@PM2Ring To share knowledge? Last I checked it's sort of what SE is about. — OverLordGoldDragon 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
That's not entirely true, @ughStackExchange. I think the view you are taking on the democratic process rather is simplistic. If a user does something that invalidates makes their candidacy invalid or illegitimate, it is not the voters place to act on that, but whatever officials and guardians the election has to safeguard the process. In this case, CMs and current moderators. The idea is not simply to "affect the vote", but to have a legitimate election. If one of the candidates is no longer deemed legitimate, the voters are not the ones to make that decision. — yivi 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by MisterMiyagi
As a SME, I have to say that the "what to do about it" part is simply unspecified by the question. The question is akin to "I told it to return 3 instead of 4. What can I do about it to return 4 instead?" – there is an extremely obvious solution ("don't return 3") but that should be covered by the dupe and in fact the very question itself, yet any non-obvious solution would require us to know what you are actually trying to do. — MisterMiyagi 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
Okay, lots of misinformation starting to come up in the comments here... First, this decision to retract was made by elected SO moderators, not CMs or staff. (Although staff was required to literally push the button to perform the retraction, it was not their call.) Second, no rules were altered during the middle of the election. Nothing here is even close to breaking new ground. Third, there was extremely broad community support for blocking mod nominees who had been suspended within the previous year; it is completely unfair and wrong to represent that as an executive order from staff/CMs. — Cody Gray ♦ 47 secs ago
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[ Boson ] New comment posted by magisch
There's also no mechanism to contact all the voters who ranked him in his ballot to give them the extra information and give them a chance to reconsider - If I had just voted and then gone on to not check back and found this out later, I would be pretty upset. — magisch 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by magisch
@CodyGray I didn't mean to insinuate that this had no broad community support, if I recall correctly there were multiple prior attempts to ask for it, but I think the decision was in the end made by staff to do this, and there was not a vote or something to decide this rule. — magisch 28 secs ago
 
9:09 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by PM 2Ring
@OverLordGoldDragon Ok. I wasn't trying to discourage you from asking a new question, I was genuinely curious about your goal. Also, you don't need to ask a fresh question, you can overhaul the existing one, following Mr Miyagi's suggestion. Eg, "I'm trying to get this specific behaviour X, but surprisingly this try-finally code does Y instead. I now understand why try-finally does that, what's the proper way to achieve X?" — PM 2Ring 44 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
By "I have an answer/workaround" you mean a different answer/workaround than "do not use return on finally"? — yivi 26 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Loris Foe
Lol this question I asked got -12 points what to do now, delete it? It's boring, it never stops....... — Loris Foe 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Rocket Nikita
Meta does not affect main site. Sadly there is no escape. — Rocket Nikita 30 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by ugh StackExchange
@magisch That unfortunately falls under the concept of misinformed voters, and sadly happens in every election. This is not something that can be changed. — ugh StackExchange 27 secs ago
 
9:47 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by l4mpi
Lol, you think SO is a democracy? That's a good one. Anyways, you might know SO enforces some prerequisites for mod candidates already, such as having 6 required badges before you're allowed to nominate, as well as requiring mods to adhere to the CoC and sign a mod agreement - do you think that's dangerous as well? I'm more concerned that there wasn't a rule for removing any candidate who clumsily plagiarizes more than half of the questionaire from the other candidates. Thankfully the existing mods stepped in and made the right decision. — l4mpi 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
The edit summary was "Formatting;" and was not representative. Perhaps address that in your answer? — Peter Mortensen 8 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
Kinda does look they improved the formatting. It isn't the world's greatest edit summary, I'll admit, but it does not seem to be particularly problematic to me. Certainly not a reason to reject the edit, and definitely not an issue identified by any reviewer. — Cody Gray ♦ 30 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by NotThatGuy
@SamDean That's a different problem from what I'm talking about. You can fix your problem without causing my problem by instead adding a period of time where neither new nominations nor voting is possible and only commenting is allowed. "One nominee was accused of a bunch of stuff with no proof" - in its current state, the only accusations I see are addressed by the nominee (and they don't deny it, so it's probably accurate enough). 1/2 — NotThatGuy 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by NotThatGuy
We don't know the specifics of the accusations based on those comments, but, as for that, I'm a bit conflicted - at the same time it feels like a potential violation of privacy, but also a very relevant bit of information about someone who wants to have power (not that this is even the issue being discussed here). Note that a mod removed a few comments that crossed the line, which demonstrates my point: you'll have people who voted based on those comments if they happened during voting. 2/2 — NotThatGuy 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Gimby
I wouldn't specifically name a single site though, in essence the target audience should use "the web" and there are a whole host of sites available where the question might land. Leave the choice up to them. Besides, you don't want to become "that person on Stack Overflow" in the eyes of Codementor. — Gimby 1 min ago
 
10:10 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
This is a fair question. It was primarily the "human factor" that made the decision difficult. There are real people behind each of these accounts, and, no matter how hard we try to be respectful throughout the process, getting called out in public for a mistake and having your moderator nomination yanked out from underneath you is gonna sting. The right thing to do might be abundantly clear, but that doesn't make it easy. Aside from that, there's the fact that we don't take interfering in ongoing democratic elections lightly. There must be a very good reason to do so. — Cody Gray ♦ 47 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TheScore
At this point, if they let Shree through, it looks bad, if they withdraw his nomination, it looks bad. It’s nearly split 50% on the votes, so I know no matter what they do, they are disappointing half of the people. — TheScore 9 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by walen
@Mr_Green "he/she thought to explain the same in their own words." → And it would've been OK too if Shree had actually used their own words. But that was clearly not the case. Please have a look at the posts linked in the OP if you haven't already done so. — walen 44 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
It's a day in the life of a moderator, @TheScore! You're always going to make someone unhappy. Therefore, you have to make sure that you're ultimately on the right side (which we prefer to define as what is the best for the site as a whole), and that you can defend your decision (both to yourself and to the community), not just making a decision on a whim or emotion. — Cody Gray ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by francescalus
@CodyGray, if you need to write "judgment" instead of "judgement" to make the red squiggles go away, then you may have a broken dictionary. Not only is "judgement" accepted by OED, it's also the preferred form in non-legal sense BrE. (We try not to change British spelling to non-British spellings unless there's a consistency fail.) — francescalus 13 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Oleg Valter
<pedantry>only four badges are required to nominate oneself in the election on Stack Overflow, not six: Civic Duty, Strunk & White, Deputy, Convention.</pedantry>. That aside, I suggest everyone would like to either have them suspended or continue as a candidate in the election consider the spirit of the law rather than the book of it. Yes, Shree's been a valuable contributor for many years, however, they also made a very bad judgement call which the moderator team clearly does not feel comfortable with - would you rather have them elected and then vetoed because of these concerns? [1/2] — Oleg Valter 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Andrew Grimm
Unless the candidate themself has voluntarily withdrawn, I don't think "withdrawn" is the correct word. Blocked or rejected would be more appropriate. — Andrew Grimm 10 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
Thanks, @francescalus; excellent nitpick. That really helps us focus on the important issues here. I call my "broken dictionary" an "American English dictionary". But even that's not the whole story. "Judgment" was the dominant spelling in British English until the 19th century, remains the dominant spelling in legal contexts in Britain, and, according to Google Ngrams, still just barely holds an edge over "judgement" in a modern British English corpus. But aside from all of those pesky facts, had magisch been bothered by the edit, he could have rolled it back or otherwise adjusted it. — Cody Gray ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
In "Late Answers" your actions are less constrained than in other queues like "Low Quality Posts". You re not simply judging "this merits deletion or not". You are also reviewing for quality, and that many times requires subject matter expertise. — yivi 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Oleg Valter
[2/2] Same thing regarding the other side - why would we want to get somebody who's done a lot for the community over the years to be suspended over a single infraction that also has reasons beyond just copying from others because they were too lazy to answer them? P.s. Either way, please, do not conflate "democracy" and "freedom" with "everything is permitted". — Oleg Valter 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TheScore
@CodyGray Mad respect to all the mods out there. You go through the shitstorm daily and that too unpaid(?). — TheScore 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
Yes, it's a purely volunteer position. The only compensation is the warm fuzzy feelings. Some days are colder and less fuzzy than others. @TheScore — Cody Gray ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
"As I have read, I am not required to look into the correctness of the answer". That's true for "Low Quality Answers". For "Late Answers" or "First Answers", reviewers need to be able to finesse a bit more (and to skip more often, otherwise). — yivi 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by magisch
FWIW, I can hardly imagine a scenario where I would care less. — magisch 10 secs ago
 
11:07 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Art
looks like the late answer queue doesn't fit my knowledge base. Also, isn't downvoting good enough for incorrect answers? should it still be flagged? — Art 37 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
Voting is enough. Flagging is not used for "incorrect" answers. — yivi 9 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Art
sorry I meant "recommend deletion". — Art 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
"Recommend deletion" is basically "flagging". If I encountered this audit, I'd probably wouldn't recommend deletion. But if I saw a similarly poor answer on a subject matter I considered myself knowledgeable, I would almost certainly vote and/or comment. — yivi 38 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
FYI, in Late Answers you can filter the tasks by tag. cln.sh/d6l7ST This way, you'd be taking care in tasks where you'd feel more comfortable judging the quality, and would make the most difference. — yivi 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Art
Ok, thx didn't notice that. — Art 46 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Philip Couling
Along the same lines as mbrig's comment, I frequently add links in code to SO answers which explain why something strange must be done "You can't do <expected thing> because < reason> see <SO answer URL>". These are not links to code, but links to knowledge. To the very best of my knowledge, this is simply citing and not copying content. — Philip Couling 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Philip Couling
I'm not sure the "Hi Steve" argument is comparable. The phrase would be too short, containing too little original work and have been in common use for too long that correct attribution is no-longer possible. Most countries have an age limit on copyright too. None of these reasons really apply to URLs. A better analogy would be book titles. You can compile a list of book titles, the author's name, publisher name year of release etc... and ownership of that list would not be attributed to the owners of the book, but you for doing the work in compiling it. — Philip Couling 13 secs ago
 
11:47 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by gnat
 
12:00 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Art
thx for your input — Art 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Erik A
Meh regarding the manipulation of the election. Stack Exchange has never been a strict democracy, with some moderators elected pro-tempore without an election, some moderators being assigned based on being the runnner-up of a previous election, moderator status being revoked without consulting the community, etc. This doesn't set a precedent for anything that was previously unusual imo. — Erik A 17 secs ago
 
12:37 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
I don't believe the first tone is a "bad audit". That it was deleted by other users (even if deleted for the "wrong reasons") mostly signals it's a post with quality issues, and that simply choosing "Looks OK" is not the right thing to do. That was actually true in this case: the post did have quality issues, and selecting "Looks OK" was not "OK". The problem is treating LA with the same binary approach than LQA. It's not simply "delete or not delete". — yivi 27 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Trilarion
If only someone had told Shree that you can also just nominate yourself without filling out the questionnaire... On a more serious note, this text is written with a lot of tact and respect and I really like how it looks at the issue from multiple angles. I'm only a bit puzzled if the nomination is withdrawn on Shree's own account or if the current mods and CM removed Shree from the candidates list during an election against his/her will? Just want to make the point more clear, because removing people during a vote is also a serious action. — Trilarion 47 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Trilarion
"not the moderators' place" probably not. Moderators cannot moderate their own election process. It should have been the CMs that post this. Doesn't change the result though. — Trilarion just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
@Trilarion We have not been able to reach Shree to discuss this with him, so the retraction of his nomination was done unilaterally by staff upon request by the elected SO mods. It's not what we would have liked to have happen, either, but all the mods discussed it, and we decided it would be best to act now, rather than wait even longer. I hope that addresses your concerns. Nick had a similar question further up in the comments, which I tried to respond to as well. We certainly welcome Shree to share his side, if he wants to do so, at any time in the future! — Cody Gray ♦ 52 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Trilarion
Thanks for clarifying. Sorry I did not read all comments. Maybe the text can be improved a tiny bit. Using passive voice "..is being withdrawn" might be more ambiguous than necessary and a more active formulation like "we remove ... from the election" might be clearer. — Trilarion 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TheScore
@CodyGray Tough path you choose. I hope everyone moves on from this abomination but yeah only time can tell. I hope Shree comebacks next year, many were excited to see him as a mod. Though he would have tough time i guess justifying why he did not respond. — TheScore 29 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
I don't agree the first one is a "bad audit". That it was deleted by other users (even if deleted for the "wrong reasons") mostly signals it's a post with quality issues, and that simply choosing "Looks OK" is not the right thing to do. That was actually true in this case: the post did have quality issues, and selecting "Looks OK" was not "OK" or the right choice for this queue. The problem is treating LA with the same binary approach than LQA. It's not simply "delete or not delete" — yivi 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by magisch
@TheScore I wouldn't hold that against him. Being away for a few days is perfectly normal. — magisch 11 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ryan M
@yivi In my opinion, it's a mediocre answer. It's not great, but it's not so bad that it clearly needs corrective action. The answer stands on its own without the link, and makes a bona fide attempt at suggesting a solution to the problem. It then suggests a document where someone could read more about the process. Would it be better if they'd included more of that (especially the parts about building the cube)? Yes. Is it a bad answer in clear need of negative feedback? I don't think so. It's certainly not clear enough for an audit. — Ryan M 31 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TheScore
@magisch I mean in this meta post he hasn't responded about the other answers in the questionnaire that he plagiarized. — TheScore 5 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
@Trilarion I very much disagree. I would insist that the elected moderators be the ones who drive things like this, not staff. Maybe it's only symbolic, but it matters to me. The elected moderators were elected by the community and are expected to be their representatives. Staff has no such obligation. Even in a world where I was not among their ranks, I would much rather trust the elected moderators to make a decision like this. (That's not to say bad things about staff. The staff members involved in this, I also trust. But mods have obligations to the community, whereas staff don't.) — Cody Gray ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TheMaster
@OlegValter The problem with "Spirit of the law" is it gives you wide leeway to interpret it however you feel at that moment in time or whatever is the political scenario at that moment in time. The written law is what matters, if you're going to be absolutely fair or just. And I agree with ugh that there was no written law regarding election elimination for plagiarism and Shree shouldn't have been eliminated, especially by existing moderators decision. — TheMaster 51 secs ago
 
1:17 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TylerH
@TadeuszKopec Thanks for checking; bad news it seems. — TylerH 27 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Trilarion
@CodyGray I see it differently. As a general rule, the election process should be as independent as possible of the current elected, just as a safeguard. A higher authority must make that decision and for me the important point is actually that the CMs agree. I would not be happy with moderators simply removing people from the candidates list. I trust you personally that you do the right thing here, but in normal life if this were real election I wouldn't. So I think it's better also not to do that here. — Trilarion 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Art
I am now not entirely sure why this question has so many downvotes, I don't see this as a bad question, neither have I found this question on this site. Is it because it's already downvoted that people want to downvote even more? — Art 53 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Gimby
@art 7 downvotes is actually not a lot for meta standards. Voting here is different, people don't vote on the usefulness of a question but more on a personal level. It's best not to try and read anything in votes placed and instead look at the response you get - two answers and not a mountain of comments telling you how you are wrong is pretty good :) Good on you for asking the question, keep it up (after searching first, of course). — Gimby 35 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Art
@Gimby oh thx for the clarification. I thought that the voting was based on the usefulness of the question. — Art 1 min ago
 
1:55 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Gimby
@Art on the main Q&A site, definitely yes! But if meta would be the same... we wouldn't be able to discuss and share opinions. The fact that meta runs on the same software which is designed towards voting based on quality makes it a little... quirky. — Gimby 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by matt
I don't get any notifications after I've elected to follow a question. I don't understand what following is supposed to do. — matt 52 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by NearHuscarl
@CodyGray I heard you also got the rarest gold badge if you survive long enough so there's that. — NearHuscarl 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tadeusz Kopec
@CodyGray At least one of those monkeys is a dog. Strange. — Tadeusz Kopec 32 secs ago
 
2:22 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by l4mpi
@Trilarion that rule would be required for elections replacing a current candidate, but I'm not so sure for the SO mod election which adds two mods to an existing team. If a candidate would be elected which most of the current team finds objectionable and existing mods chose to resign over this, it would defeat the purpose of running an election (if 2 mods are elected but 2 or more resigned, the election was net negative). I'd expect CMs/SO to create solid rules governing the election, but just as with teams in a company the approval of the team is required for a good working relationship. — l4mpi 31 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by chivracq
Mini-Rmk/Sugg: The Qt would be "clearer" if you added to which Prog Lang(s)/Tag(s) you are referring to, + choosing only 1 Spelling between "data frame"/"dataframe"/"DataFrame", as "data frame"/"DataFrame" seem (from 'Google Search') to be related to Python + Panda while "data frame"/"Data Frame" seem to be related to R... — chivracq 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
If that kind of answer was posted on a tag I knew enough about, I'd vote or comment. It's utterly incomplete and the link is 95% irrelevant. I don't think the answer "does not need negative feedback", particularly if one finds it in the LA queue. — yivi 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TylerH
@Scratte It takes, at minimum, 35 days to reach 500 helpful flags. Even if someone started out with 100 daily flags and somehow had 0 helpful flags, it would still take at minimum 5 days to reach 500 helpful flags, not 3. — TylerH 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by l4mpi
@Trilarion (cont) Also, there might very well be valid objections which cause a conflict of interest in CMs (hypothetically, imagine if SO were to add an employee from a company that bought a collective into the mod election while ignoring badge requirements). After the happenings of the last years, I no longer trust any SO employees to "do the right thing", and while my trust in mods is only marginally higher (they're only humans and I could nitpick a lot of mod decisions) they at least don't have any financial conflicts of interest. — l4mpi just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user438383
Seems like a perfectly good edit to me, I would have accepted it. — user438383 5 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user3350906
beat me if it's not on purpose :D — user3350906 53 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Scratte
@TylerH 100 comment flags + 100 post post flags makes for 200 possible flag on a day. I never claimed a user can do that on their first day. I said some users push a lot, and it's most certainly possible. — Scratte 14 secs ago
 
2:59 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TylerH
@Scratte Yes, Ryan mentioned that in SOCVR; I wasn't aware the two pulled from different piles. In that case, it would take a minimum of 17 days, not 35. You did claim "Some users really push on and get that much flagging done in 3 days". — TylerH 50 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Scratte
@TylerH Shree did an average of 150 flags a day over 8 days recently. So that's only a little more than 3 days, and I'm not convinced they really pushes for it. I did not mean to say that anyone at a current flag-count of zero can pull it off in 3 days. Just like no new user can do 40 reviews a days in the close vote queue. Like most things there, one needs to work one's way up to any privilege (Users like me don't have access to that queue). I'm pretty sure having 100 flags a day is thought of as a privilege. — Scratte 28 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Art
@gnat entirely different questions. I am not just asking why was correct answer was marked wrong, but also why is it that only a late answer has requires knowledge in specific field — Art 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Catija
@l4mpi This is a very delicate balance - We do not remove candidates just because the moderators find them problematic. It is not up to the mods to determine whether or not candidates are "qualified" and any candidacy that's made in good faith, no matter the history of the person (excluding suspensions in the last year or other special cases) is valid - we've specifically not removed people in the past that were considered disruptive candidates. This decision was made purely based on behaviors during the election, not prior to it or any judgement of suitability or the candidate. — Catija ♦ 18 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Catija
Also, to be clear, @l4mpi - there's no "conflict of interest" in relation to whatever hypothetical you're proposing. What you're saying will never happen. Ever. Regardless of anything else, the CMs (or any other staff) do not control the candidacy of elections and we can not force someone into an election who doesn't meet the requirements. We can't even vote in the election without sufficient reputation. I understand trust in the company is low but... I'm sorry... this hypothetical is outlandish enough to be actively harmful to our reputation - and so it makes me very uncomfortable. — Catija ♦ 35 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Trilarion
@l4mpi "If a candidate would be elected which most of the current team finds objectionable and existing mods chose to resign over this, it would defeat the purpose of running an election..." I see your point, but I still disagree. For me it weighs more to express trust of the community in candidates. If the mods can basically veto any candidate, than I would maybe not want to take part in the vote anymore. Maybe we could save a bit of effort there. For me it must be the higher authority than runs the whole thing, but not the mods themselves. Just saying how it is for me. — Trilarion 17 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Undo
@l4mpi To add on to what Cat is saying: I guarantee a moderator revolt if the company were ever to install moderators to further a business relationship. Few, if any, of us would put up with that. — Undo ♦ 47 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
Recommending deletion is not necessary. Downvoting or commenting would have passed the audit. — yivi 7 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Cordes
@nbk: We understood your statement (answer); that's separate from agreeing with it. As for "who is Alex to decide", he's contributed patches to MSVC's headers to get it making more efficient code for a few things, and has some experience with assembly language. So I think he's qualified to judge his own answer as being something that future readers should skip in favour of another. (I happen to agree since it was mine :P) But yeah, a version of the code he suggested is already present as one of the special-case options in my answer (optimizing for code-size not speed). — Peter Cordes 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Trilarion
"...this incident generated a large amount of responses and opinions and has dominated the conversation regarding the election." I wonder. Does it mean that the election is compromised and maybe should be repeated if there is a result that is close (e.g. a small difference of votes between position 2 and 3)? — Trilarion 40 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Art
@yivi The edit was to stop people from voting as duplicate. — Art 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Trilarion
"...interesting mechanisms to get to know the candidate's thoughts..." This is generally difficult. You cannot really know what people think. They could lie. — Trilarion 33 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Trilarion
"...they didn't know a lot about how moderation works in general...." It's a knowledge test then? — Trilarion 23 secs ago
 
4:14 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by camille
I'd add another example against doing this: sometimes the question is non-reproducible but we'd only know that from an actual data sample. At least in the R tag, we get tons of questions on "why doesn't this date-related function work on my column of dates?", and the reason is that the data turns out to not actually be date objects. If we took the OP at their word that they have actual dates, not strings of them, we'd miss that entirely and try to answer a question that's off-topic — camille just now
 
4:57 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by BSMP
...it seems that almost no one noticed... No one reported it until 2 days ago. That doesn't necessarily mean no one noticed. We have no idea what voters who don't use Meta thought when they read the questionnaire. — BSMP 40 secs ago
 
5:14 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user4581301
Leave the choice of site up to the asker you're assuming the asker has sufficient ability to recognize bad code and practice and won't just pick and learn from whatever they find. Typically someone asking a question that requires more of a tutoring/mentoring approach won't be able to recognize they've landed on a site run by or filled with folks who are no better, or even worse, programmers than they are. — user4581301 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user4581301
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user4581301
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Larnu
As someone that VTC'd I feel I explained quite explicitly why I did so. At the time, the question had nothing to do with programming. You hadn't even chosen a language to perform your task in. There's also nothing wrong with asking things like C# and Powershell questions on the other communities. Certainly dealing with SQL Server's Always On is going to have a much better chance of being answered by those with expertise on something like Database Administrators. — Larnu 1 min ago
 
5:57 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by sorosh_sabz
@Larnu I think you wrong, because stackoverflow is very bigger than any other Q&A and question in this Q&A get is very better and faster response/answer, and another note that what is relative of SQL Server's Always On to Kubernetes? it is just example? — sorosh_sabz 34 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Larnu
Because it [Stack Overflow] is bigger doesn't make it [your question] on topic, @sorosh_sabz . The duplicate candidate that has been added here also agrees with what I have stated. — Larnu 53 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by sorosh_sabz
I vote to Stack Overflow for questioning about kubernetes :) — sorosh_sabz 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by silencedogood
Sorry @yivi I had to reverse your edit. It literally killed the actual meaning of the statement... Thank you though. — silencedogood 31 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Hovercraft Full Of Eels
You may be trying to conflate two different events into one -- your down-vote on a question, which should only reduce your reputation by one point, and the correction of serial voting, which will. Again, these events and their effects are not related. — Hovercraft Full Of Eels 51 secs ago
 
6:24 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Hovercraft Full Of Eels
Note that meta voting is different from other StackOverflow sites. A down-vote here does not always mean that someone thinks you've posted a poor meta question, but rather often that they disagree with your question's premise. Also, a down-vote here has no effect on your reputation or ability to ask questions. — Hovercraft Full Of Eels 15 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Daniel Rusznyak
See here: gamedev.stackexchange.com/users/41787/… The issue is, I don't have the slightest why this happened, and why just now. — Daniel Rusznyak 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Hovercraft Full Of Eels
@DanielRusznyak: thank you for your clarification, but if your question is with regards to the game dev stack exchange site, shouldn't this question be asked on their meta site, not on this one? — Hovercraft Full Of Eels 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Daniel Rusznyak
Aaaah my bad, they have their own meta site. Oops. — Daniel Rusznyak 54 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Hovercraft Full Of Eels
You're asking this question on the wrong site. If the issue is in regards to the GameDev Stack Exchange site, then such issues should be discussed on their meta site, not this one. — Hovercraft Full Of Eels 20 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Rafael Tavares
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cristik
Seems your idea was implemented meanwhile, in the form of followed posts. — Cristik 1 min ago
 
7:05 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by magisch
@Trilarion That would be really hard to justify towards the winner, so I guess not. But it does give you a glimpse of why this decision was reached and why the suspension policy was implemented. — magisch 31 secs ago
 
7:25 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Adrian Mole
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cristik
Thanks @AdrianMole, added the link to the answer. — Cristik 1 min ago
 
7:40 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by anastaciu
@Trilarion that's inevitable, it's so in the questionnaire, and will be in any other form. — anastaciu 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by anastaciu
@BSMP, that's an assumption of mine, for me it's hard to believe that if many people noticed it would took so long till someone said something. — anastaciu 1 min ago
 
8:12 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by philipxy
Names of variables are only code if they are code. There are cases where formatting an isolated variable name is helpful, but mostly it just makes the text hard to read, and it is often a style choice, and mere style change is not a reason to edit. Those code format edits added nothing. Anyway the collected changes are so minor for a reviewed edit the drain on reviewers is not worth the improvements. Make such edits when you are no longer reviewed. — philipxy 51 secs ago
 
8:39 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by anastaciu
I fully agree, the punishment is severe and that's that, from now I will act as if none of this ever happened, I also feel some guilt for the proportions this took given that I linked the post where the matter is discussed in a post of my own, I now feel I could have perhaps found another way to make my point in a matter that is not directly related with the plagiarism situation. — anastaciu 23 secs ago
 
8:52 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jeremy Caney
FWIW: I'm the reviewer that commented that the first answer wasn't link-only. I always go over my past reviews to make sure I didn't miss anything. That review is a decent Who's Who of reviewers that consistently ignore the "plea for sanity". Notably, Wai Ha Lee and my votes are often put against slideshowp2 and Trenton McKinney (and, not listed, Pierre.Vriens). We usually get a third "Looks OK", but it just takes two more bad reviews to delete. The core issue here is that there's not a reliable method for detecting consistently bad reviewers in LQA, which results in bad audits elsewhere. — Jeremy Caney 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jeremy Caney
Another couple of posts that made a legitimate attempt to answer the question, and were deserving of a downvote and/or a comment, but that I wouldn't have deleted: Example A, Example B. — Jeremy Caney 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jeremy Caney
(Aside, I don't like calling out individual reviewers here, as this is really an issue with the audits, and not the reviewers. That said, these are each reviewers I've sent the "plea for sanity" link to on previous reviews, but whom continue to vote delete on e.g. code-only answers. It's frustrating. And especially as I occassionally bump into these bad audits in FA and LA, not to mention LQA, which only reinforces bad reviews by penalizing reviewers for making the right call.) — Jeremy Caney 18 secs ago
 
9:30 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by nbk
@PeterCordes someone found the answer and like it so much, that he awardeed 500 poits for it, so it is besides a bunch of upvotes usefull, depriving future searcher of that solution is a bad decision and should be reversed — nbk 11 secs ago
 
9:40 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by CodeCaster
Nice, but now the responsive view of that page is messed up. — CodeCaster just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Trilarion
Unfortunately, it doesn't give me a glimpse. How is punishing somebody change that attention was taken away from the other candidates in any way? You describe an overall bad impact on the whole election and conclude that this justifies an action against a single candidate. It's not immediately clear how this is helping the whole election. That's why I asked about how compromised the whole election is now. — Trilarion 59 secs ago
 
10:02 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by magisch
@Trilarion There are 2 aspects to this. First the aspect that plagiarising a whole answer shows conduct incompatible with becoming a moderator. That's probably the lesser reason. The second is that discussion regarding this tends to eclipse the normal vetting process and therefore harms it. By removing the nomination, that disruption ends or is at least seriously reduced. — magisch 34 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Elikill58
Minimal example can better explain what you want/what you are looking for — Elikill58 34 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by CodeCaster
Long story short: to give answerers a starting point. An idea of what the asker knows, of what the answer should look like, of what the asker has tried. Very meta, but have you tried searching? — CodeCaster 44 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Bergi
"the asker hasn't spent much time trying to understand the problem" - or they just don't know how to do that, which is what mentoring could help with. Learning to write good questions is a skill on its own, and it's taught elsewhere. "Some people like being spoon-fed. But I think it's a poor habit to nurture here at SO." - why do you think it would nurture this habit if we close their question here at SO? I think that leaving them a comment where else to go is just helpful if they are new to the ecosystem. — Bergi 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by CodeCaster
Counter-example: "how to split a string". Sure, it doesn't require any code to ask that, and any answer can mention "Well, ... using string.Split(), explode(), or whatever the idiomatic way for $language is" but surely you'd have found that if you were to ask your favorite web search engine that, so what is your actual problem and what does your attempt look like? — CodeCaster 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by ayhan
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TheMaster
Anyone know why this account is deleted? — TheMaster 32 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user4581301
True, not every question needs a MRE. The true beauty of the MRE is it's a distillation of powerful debugging techniques. It is hard to make a MRE and not find and fix the error part way through the making. If you make the MRE early in the question-asking process odds are really good you won't have to ask the question. If you're asking a question and haven't attempted to isolate the problem with a MRE or something like it, you've been wasting your debugging time. — user4581301 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user4581301
If you aren't debugging, the MRE is less useful, but it still provides a baseline around which answers can be constructed and you should never underestimate the social importance of showing your work. A credible bit of code or solid research separates the asker from the hordes of folks expecting to crowdsource their homework. — user4581301 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
Codementor - *"Codementor is an online platform providing instant one-on-one help for software developers by utilizing screen sharing, video and text chat, in order to replicate for users the experience of having a mentor for code reviewing, debugging, and online programming."Peter Mortensen 16 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by NotThatGuy
While many users asking off topic questions just need to do some more research, it is quite dismissive to assume that all of them are just lazy, rather than there being plenty who simply haven't learnt how to do said research yet (and it would be even more dismissive to say teaching them that is "spoonfeeding"). — NotThatGuy 27 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
I think you should disclose your economic interest in your question here. — Peter Mortensen 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by NotThatGuy
While many users asking off topic questions just need to do some more research, it is quite dismissive to assume that all of them are just lazy, rather than there being plenty who simply haven't learnt how to do said research yet (and it would be even more dismissive to say teaching them that is "spoonfeeding"). I see a whole lot of questions where the asker needs mentorship rather than a direct answer, because the latter (which is what SO focuses on) will only solve their immediate problem without giving them the tools to solve similar problems. — NotThatGuy 11 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by NotThatGuy
If you think a mentor spoonfeeds you, then... you haven't had any good mentors. — NotThatGuy 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TheMaster
The problem with this is askers tend to copy paste code from elsewhere as if they wrote it themselves. Some questions have good code, properly formatted, but OP doesn't even know the basics of the language. They have learnt to pretend well to get free code. On the other hand, codeless questions, where OP knows his stuff, are unreasonably downvoted, closed and even refused to be re-opened, despite requesting in socvr. I think it's a bad idea to judge based on outward appearances. — TheMaster 1 min ago
 
11:50 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Cordes
@nbk: Did they really like it, though? The bounty awarder recently commented on this question that they decided to give their rep away randomly. — Peter Cordes 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user202729
Unfortunately this method does not work if the accepted answer say "there's no existing solution because ABC" — user202729 30 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user202729
 

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