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5:01 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Andras Deak
@Makoto it's alright, this will be covered in the Moderator Re-election Withdrawal Process, soon to come. — Andras Deak 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Sébastien Renauld
@Makoto they've mentioned they've never had a candidate drop out and do not have a way to do what you're suggesting. That's why, at least personally, I'm 100% okay with this post if it were not a stab at everything near and far. — Sébastien Renauld 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Sébastien Renauld
@Makoto it involves a dev. This doesn't. — Sébastien Renauld just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Makoto
@SébastienRenauld: This isn't rocket science. It's literally an SQL query - send an inbox message to any person who has received the Constituent badge for election 12 and inform them of XYZ. This is just more convenient but it still feels like there's still some element of privilege. — Makoto 51 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by BenSellars
Thanks to whoever upvoted my last two questions (and one answer). I can now post questions again... and will be very careful of what I submit! Hopefully I can become a useful member of the community in time. — BenSellars 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Sébastien Renauld
@Makoto in terms of privilege evasion/rule bypassing I'm much more concerned about how a single mod appears to be mistagging, rollback-warring, and defending a post that straight up links to an election answer going "welp, other mods do no work, for real", reiterates and slam-dunks on that with the 75k flags, throws napalm at the CoC and its implementation, and at every form of process mentioned. Like, if that's allowed, what isn't? — Sébastien Renauld 1 min ago
 
5:23 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Makoto
@SébastienRenauld: To the "this needs a dev" argument - I feel like this will anyway since Yvette has a ton of rep that isn't cleanly just removed from an account. Furthermore, this'd also need someone to make an executive decision to establish if the ballots are spoiled or not, which would likely involve a dev. Extraordinary circumstances mean that CMs may have to tap that resource anyway. — Makoto 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Sébastien Renauld
@Makoto not really. They can pin a notice (this! If it were not a rant where you lose the real point), and then on tally go "You should've read the notice". It's not perfect, but it's better, and honestly, there are better fish to fry just before the weekend. — Sébastien Renauld 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Remy
@SamuelLiew You seem pretty set on this being a [tag:moderator resignation] going as far as to start a rollback war over it, could you expand on why you think this is the case? She already resigned as a mod previously (that was a resignation, and got its proper treatment as that) and is currently only up for election (and not even that anymore), meaning still just a regular user. — Remy 13 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by weegee
Can we just agree that this was out of the blue and featuring this post (regardless of it being a rant) will help both the voters to change their votes (for now) to another candidate and the devs too so they won't have to take some immediate action? This could also give them some time to think about what should be done next. — weegee 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Trasiva
The simple answer is just to disallow the post entirely for failing to follow the basic rules of civility. Letting the message stand, and making it featured? That's just...bad shot calling on a Vesuvius level. — Trasiva 42 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Andras Deak
For what it's worth the CMs are between a rock and a hard place. It's not that difficult to make this into a twitter blizzard if they are too harsh against Yvette. Safer to be more welcoming at the expense of on-site relations. — Andras Deak 2 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Braiam
Not only meta tags get zapped from the system. You are using the fact that the tag isn't a meta tag to argue against deletion. Actually, a tag has to be useful without other context, otherwise it becomes a dependent tag: Meta-tags are actually a subset of a larger problem that I usually call dependent tags. These are tags that don't say anything by themselves - you can't tell what the question is about unless they're paired with some other tag (or several of them). These tags are a problem because people don't realize this and will often use that as the question's only tag. — Braiam 9 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Braiam
This tag doesn't carry any _useful) meaning without combining with other tags. — Braiam 29 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by terdon
"Blatantly advertising" seems a bit excessive. We are not employed by or affiliated with SO, so folks should feel free to link to whatever alternative they deem fit, as long as they don't profit from it directly (i.e., not spam). I admit I agree with a lot of what you're saying, but the mention of codidact doesn't seem worth pointing out at all. — terdon 43 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Sébastien Renauld
@terdon People's bios have been changed over this before. — Sébastien Renauld 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Mari-Lou A
And you shipped this out on a Friday too! :) Stay well, if you do decide to return keep the username, it would be impossible to camouflage your personality and distinctive style. All the best. — Mari-Lou A 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Sébastien Renauld
@terdon Do you not remember the monica gofundme link removals? — Sébastien Renauld 27 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by terdon
@SébastienRenauld I don't believe they have actually, no (please share a link if you have evidence). All things considered, and given their track record lately this is a bit surprising, SE have acted quite reasonably with respect to codidact. I've heard loads of people worried about repercussions if they talk about it, but have never seen an example of an SE employee doing anything at all to remove a mention to codidact. — terdon 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by terdon
@SébastienRenauld I do, but those were not links to codidact. So I don't see why they'd be relevant. You claimed that "People's bios have been changed over this before." and I don't believe that's the case. That bios have been changed for other reasons is a completely separate issue. — terdon just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by pppery
Remy can't delete the question because it has an upvoted answer, but I have to ask what does a question whose answer is just a typo contribute to Stack Overflow? — pppery 8 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Sébastien Renauld
@terdon both were "blatant advertising" - the target was different, the item was the same. — Sébastien Renauld 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TheMaster
@Braiam Specialization of the tag has same practical effects. In context of the question, the tag [database-trigger] may be valid theoretically, but practically it has a few watchers. And tagging this specific tag [database-trigger] instead of [triggers] has the same effect: See these 3 questions: 1. stackoverflow.com/q/46440937 2. stackoverflow.com/q/54889468 3. stackoverflow.com/q/57351682 Notice that all questions are unanswred, low views with 1 comment: add a product tag. Also to quote Cody, [1/2] — TheMaster 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by terdon
@SébastienRenauld again, please don't bring other things into this. You claimed that bios had been edited for this. Now you're saying they have been edited for something else. My point is that no links to codidact have ever been removed by SE employees from anywhere on the network, and certainly not from bios, to the best of my knowledge. So your claiming otherwise is at best misleading. More to the point, this post seems to be taking offense at the mention of codidact and that's what I was objecting to. — terdon 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by ColleenV
I'm sorry to see it come to this. You weren't my choice for moderator, but I think it is unfortunate how some people expressed their opposition to your candidacy. In an ideal world we would be able to express our concerns about someone's qualifications without having to dredge up every little thing that upset us in the past. This may be a good thing for you though - I know scaling back my activity on SE has made me able to focus more on things I enjoy. The lack of drama is a little weird at first, but you get used to it :) — ColleenV 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TheMaster
@Braiam It's the same reason why we are fine with c and pointer tags, instead of a c-pointer tag. You can use pointer in conjunction with any programming language tag that supports pointers. There is no universe in which it is better to have separate *-pointer tags for each programming language. You could argue that the pointer tag in itself is a dependant tag. But the alternate specific solution *-pointer for every language is even more grievious.[2/2] — TheMaster 2 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Trasiva
I'm a firm believer that there's a difference of linking codidact for answers to questions. Versus Yvette's saying "I'll be over here instead of this place I just dumped all over. Come on over!" — Trasiva 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Robert Harvey
Comment moderation in general has run off the rails, and has done so for some time now. That said, I no longer expect even the appearance of impartiality from staff members. And the excuse that "this belongs in a chat room, not in comments" has become a bit of a joke. — Robert Harvey 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Arghya Sadhu
You are right about q ban..and the question could be deleted by 20k+ or mods later — Arghya Sadhu 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Sébastien Renauld
@terdon "This" was blatant advertising, not blatant advertising of codidact. Trasiva completed the point. But hey, let's leave it at that; AFAIK no bios were edited re: codidact specifically, but blatant advertising has been used as a motive before (and, AFAIK, is part of a rule of this site, so, nothing really surprising) — Sébastien Renauld 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Remy
I agree that deleting it doesn't lose the site any meaningful information, neither am I afraid of a question ban. However I cannot as mentioned. — Remy 51 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Remy
I wouldn't say that linking to codadict is bad, I can't find the post right now but it has been stated before that SO can not and will not act against it, unless it is obviously posted as spam. — Remy 58 secs ago
 
6:27 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by John Montgomery
A 13k user really ought to know better than to answer a question that should have been closed... — John Montgomery 33 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Braiam
@TheMaster How a concept shared in several categories (remember, we are talking databases, applications and low level languages) is a "specialized" tag? Specialization means being very good at one thing, this tag fails in this aspect. Anyways, this tag isn't a well defined category, it shouldn't exist in first place. We wouldn't have this argument if the tag wasn't created, and that's a pretty good indication that it wasn't useful to begin with. — Braiam 38 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Braiam
@PetterFriberg if the staff just poof-ed this tag, do you believe it would produce more harm that what it is inflicted by existing? — Braiam 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TheMaster
@Braiam I disagree. It's both well-defined and specialized. It is created and still exists for a very good reason: need. The alternative solutions are even more grievous as explained in my previous comment. — TheMaster 10 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zoe
"Not to mention blatantly advertising a competitor to SO" - I pretty much have two things to link: meta.stackoverflow.com/a/394417/6296561 meta.stackoverflow.com/a/394474/6296561 - sharing what her next steps are is perfectly fine, and it doesn't even get close to the level of advertising in actual adverts. — Zoe 43 secs ago
 
6:49 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by ColleenV
There comes a point where you just need to let it go. She's leaving the network. She contributed a lot while she was here. She should get a chance to say what she wants to say about her leaving and have people see it. I'm not a fan of hers, but her post is pretty tame and your objections to allowing her post it make you look petty. — ColleenV 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by ColleenV
I'm sorry that this is how it ended, but I hope that this will turn out to be a good thing for you. I know that when I finally stepped back from SE it was a good thing for me. The lack of drama is a little weird at first, but you get used to it after a while :) — ColleenV 45 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Trasiva
@ColleenV Why does she get this chance when any other use who deletes their account doesn't? Especially at a featured level. Your claiming that this is petty when I've been clear and objective about my arguments on this seems flimsy at best. — Trasiva 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by ColleenV
Because she's not any other user, and you know that. Let it go. She's not going to be a moderator. You aren't going to have to ever encounter her again unless you seek her out. — ColleenV 34 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Petter Friberg
@Braiam first of all Hi, interesting ping 1 year later. We had a time where we had Shog9 who could make some updates switching tags etc, that time is over.. if you hope some will do something with this tag... well good luck — Petter Friberg 12 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Andras Deak
@ColleenV you know she'll probably be back eventually. — Andras Deak 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Daniel Widdis
I for one think featuring a withdrawal is the right thing to do, to permit voters who may have selected her to choose someone else. If you don't like the content, edit it to remove anything past the withdrawal. — Daniel Widdis 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Trasiva
But...she is any other user. If Art_Of_Code, Shog (current Shog, not CM Shog), Jon Skeet, or Martijn Pieters left would they be given the same platform? We've never seen the CM give anyone this platform in my memory. Closest thing was JonH's protest via quitting teams. — Trasiva 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Trasiva
@DanielWiddis Editing after two moderators just had a rollback war seems wasted effort. Especially when a CM approved the message as is to not only be posted, but featured on meta. — Trasiva 24 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by ColleenV
@AndrasDeak Maybe. Maybe not. How is that relevant? I don't see how causing even more drama about this helps anything. I'm also not a fan of keeping a ledger of every unwise or nasty thing a person ever posted just in case you need to discourage them from ever trying to move past their failures. — ColleenV 55 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Sébastien Renauld
@DanielWiddis Have you seen what happened when I tried to tag it as it is: an election withdrawal? Go check the edit history if you haven't. I'm not touching this post with a barge pole if touching the tags, which were not appropriate to start with (it's not a moderator withdrawal, at least on this site) had this effect. — Sébastien Renauld 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Andras Deak
@ColleenV it was only relevant to your remark that "You aren't going to have to ever encounter her again unless you seek her out". Doesn't make much of a difference in the discussion at hand (which actually makes your original remark a non sequitur), but I think that's probably not true. — Andras Deak 10 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by ColleenV
@AndrasDeak Oh I see what you meant. Yeah, it might have been better to say "you probably aren't ever..." — ColleenV 39 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Shog9
I'd be pretty bummed if Martijn left & didn't get a proper send-off, and I don't think I'm alone. Just sayin'... — Shog9 42 secs ago
 
7:41 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Makoto
Do you understand the concept of gainful employment, before we get too far? — Makoto 12 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Trasiva
@Shog9 I think most of us would, and maybe using using you guys as an example wasn't perhaps the best. However, my point is that this whole thing is highly irregular for someone who's more or less a normal user. It's a slightly different circumstance, and if I thought edits would be allowed to simply clean up the language and purify the intent I would. However I'm not a fan of getting stuck between diamonds in a rollback war. — Trasiva 45 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Shog9
I feel like there's enough going on without throwing some rules debate into the mix. Maybe we could save this debate for one of the slow news weeks, if we ever get one again. — Shog9 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Makoto
@JohnMontgomery: I can't afford my gig internet service on hopes and dreams, y'know. ;) — Makoto 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Trasiva
Alright, that's fair. I'll leave this as is for now, it's not a hill worth dying on. I've said my piece. — Trasiva 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by John Montgomery
In my experience, programmers tend to be even more resistant than most people to the idea of pro bono work, so I don't expect your idea will get much traction. — John Montgomery 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by ColleenV
Any job posting without a real company offering a real job with real compensation would seem to me to be a scam to get my private information. — ColleenV 49 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
i'd be more interested in what "developer got help" means, as, there's no action on the site that is strictly used to indicate a developer got help other than answer acceptance, and there aren't 45.1 billion answers. If it's just upvotes... people throw upvotes around like candy, often on things that aren't helpful to themselves. — Kevin B 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Rao Hammas
@KevinB exactly the states are somehow contradictory maybe.. — Rao Hammas 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by 1201ProgramAlarm
There are a lot of new users that show up for their one question and never come back, and a lot of old users that haven't visited the site in years. So what is a "user" in "5 visits per user"? — 1201ProgramAlarm 31 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dean Summer
Sorry, but I was saying that I didn't know about Stack Overflow jobs, and you haven't helped me understand it. — Dean Summer just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dean Summer
Read the body again. Do you know why you downvoted? I don't even have a clue about it and you're acting offended. — Dean Summer 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Rao Hammas
@1201ProgramAlarm now that's another question .. — Rao Hammas 20 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
To be clear, @leonheess, no comments were removed anywhere on this Q&A. But there were, indeed, comments removed on the election questionnaire (that's the whole point of this question, of course). — Cody Gray ♦ 29 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dean Summer
Just answer the question. — Dean Summer 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ryan M
@Catija I agree it's unneeded - I had at no point, noticed that it meant that - especially since I have the LQP queue filtered to answers only. — Ryan M 48 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Makoto
I don't think we can answer the question until we know what your actual understanding of "employment" actually is. A lot of what you're asking is based on fundamentals of employment, and has little to do with the Stack Overflow Jobs service on its face. — Makoto 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Makoto
Well, I've tried twice to get a bearing of what kind of answer you're actually looking for since, again, all but one of the bullet points you're asking about are basic job concepts. — Makoto 34 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by BSMP
It's a jobs site like Dice or LinkedIn. — BSMP 49 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Robert Harvey
stackoverflow.com/talent/en should tell you all you need to know. — Robert Harvey 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by BSMP
Have you checked out the jobs site itself? I think it would answer at least your initial question of "what a job on Stack Overflow is actually like". — BSMP 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Robert Harvey
In all fairness, have you given some thought as to how to ask a question here in a way that respects the time of the participants here? You would get the same reception if you went to a college, walked up to the counter and asked "What is college? Are there any qualifications for attending? Does everyone need a degree? Can anyone get a job by going to college? How does it work?" Very likely, you would either be directed to the college's web page, or be asked to make an appointment with a counselor. — Robert Harvey 16 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
Comments are not for extended discussion; this conversation has been moved to chat. — Cody Gray ♦ 18 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Davy M
I'd bet the visits per user per month isn't all that creative, probably something like (Number of visits that month) / (unique users who visited that month). — Davy M 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Rao Hammas
@Davy M even only 5 unique users doesn't make sense... I'm sure that's a lot more than this. — Rao Hammas 1 min ago
 
8:51 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by cs95
I don't get it. Why would you go through all the trouble of reinstatement and nominations just to back out again? Is it because you didn't think you stood a chance based on your questionnaire score? FWIW I wanted you back on the team with all your experience as you'd help ease the burden from day one (which is why you were one of my options) but I see you are running away again. I'm truly disappointed but at the same time wish you the best with whatever you do. — cs95 54 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Braiam
@PetterFriberg well, why don't we ask SE to give us the tooling. Yeah, they can ignore us, but at least we can try. — Braiam 59 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Yvette
@cs95 because I'm tired of the crap. It hasn't taken long to feel the stress of meta and I don't want to live through it any more. I don't need it. These people who accuse me of making drama, but are the ones making the noise on the site with comments and posts will have no say in my life and that's a good thing. I have better things to do. As for being elected, who knows who will be elected. No one knows. I always did badly in the questionnaire, it's not connected to the election results. — Yvette 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Yvette
You are someone who has contributed so little to this network, but you can pat yourself on the back, you helped - not single handedly, but you were a big contributor - of forcing me off the site. I know I've contributed far more effort to this site that you. The number of posts, votes, reviews moderation. Frankly the network is short changed losing me and keeping my biggest critics who just love to hate me in the guise of being what? It's funny, the site is deteriorating and you've contributed to that. — Yvette 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Yvette
@Mari-LouA I actually asked for my account to be deleted earlier and needed to post this before the account was deleted, not after. So sorry it's another evil intent on my part "shipping it out on a Friday" I will not miss this site. — Yvette 25 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by psubsee2003
@Yvette sorry to see you go. i was in the Pet.SE beta with you, and saw your original SO entry and your re-entry. I've not always agreed with your positions, but I thought you did an excellent job as a moderator and always seemed very fair and unbiased. Excellent qualities in any moderator. Sorry to see you go, but given the recent drama, I certainly understand and respect your choice here — psubsee2003 17 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Yvette
@AndrasDeak I will not be coming back to this site, to have to deal with this crap. Why would I? All the hard work and I'm just constantly publicly maligned. It no longer matters what I say or do, it's interpreted to the worst degree. These users like Trasiva wanted me to leave and still it's not enough, I'm not allowed to say goodbye to the people who actually liked me. — Yvette 28 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Yvette
@psubsee2003 yes, I remember those pets days. I worked extremely hard at being objective. I'm dammed whatever I do and it's a loud minority that have forced me off the site. I give up, it's not worth fighting for. — Yvette just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by 10 Rep
@Yvette I think you know this, but you can delete your account by yourself. There is no need for SE to do it for you. — 10 Rep 43 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Yvette
@10Rep No I cannot delete my own account. I can submit to have it deleted, but not even the mods can delete it, it needs to be deleted by an employee. — Yvette 52 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by leonheess
@CodeGray Yes, I was also talking about the election questionnaire and Yvette's answer in particular. Sorry if that was worded confusingly. — leonheess 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Yvette
Thank you. I will be glad to have it over. It makes me sick and I will not miss it to be honest. — Yvette 39 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Yvette
Easy to be dispassionate now, but your words seem disingenuous at best. Don't even pretend to have anything decent to say in my favour. Enjoy the site and the fact another hard working person has been alienated and left the site. — Yvette 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Donald Duck
@noɥʇʎԀʎzɐɹƆ "I do know how to edit: I have done hundreds of edits. My intent was not to hide criticism." Then what was your intent? I would also be interested in knowing why you initially posted your answers on a third-party site. By the way, I'm glad you finally decided to post them here. — Donald Duck 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Andras Deak
@Yvette I don't know. I just remember you quitting earlier, and then you came back not long after :) I think we even had a chat about how bad this all is for you. Like others I think what matters most is that you take care of yourself. — Andras Deak 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Catija
@Trasiva As far as I'm aware, no CM "approved the message as is to not only be posted, but featured on meta". We're not deleting it and we're letting the mods make the decisions about featuring it because we agreed to let them have that. And I believe they're considering it but I want to respect their decision here. I've asked Yvette to confirm that she's comfortable with it and I've given her a way to contact me if she wants to change her mind. I'm trying to be supportive of both Yvette and the current mods. — Catija ♦ 28 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Yvette
@AndrasDeak I never quit the site, I stood down for a break as moderator and all hell broke loose on the site for a totally unrelated issue. I was told I would be reinstated and the site has changed. I was blocked from being reinstated by a couple of mods. One who does next to no moderating. There's a lot behind the scenes. Over half of the mods do very little moderation. — Yvette 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Yvette
@Catija I'm at a point, we may as well let this run it's course. I am in the election and it's the right thing to do to let people know I'm leaving. As you know Trasiva and a small handful of others seem to dedicate themselves to pointing out what a malicious person I am. Ironic. Let them continue, let it go down in history, it doesn't matter anymore. — Yvette 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Hovercraft Full Of Eels
I don't blame you and have expressed my surprise that you were willing to sacrifice your time and energies again to this site when there was so much else that needed your direct and focused attention. I personally will miss you and all our interactions here and on other sites. You have a wonderful and beautiful spirit and a love of what you do, one that is contagious. I do wish you, your family, and of course, your horses, good health, a good roof, good food &feed and safety from those who wish you harm. Please contact those of us who care about you from time to time to let us know you are OK — Hovercraft Full Of Eels 6 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Hovercraft Full Of Eels
@Trasiva: please walk in Yvette's shoes for one day and then come back and see if what you've written applies. I cannot say more, but have to shake my head — Hovercraft Full Of Eels 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Yvette
@HovercraftFullOfEels yeh, I've left social media, we need another way of contact, you've been a good friend and it's been interesting to know you also. My daughter and I are starting a new life and as you know my health is not real good. I think I will live longer if I leave the site to be completely honest. I was happy to handle flags, but the meta stress is just not worth it. We've had a lot of change in our lives and we are moving into a much better life and walking away from undue stress. Take care my friend xo — Yvette 41 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Yvette
yeh, I've left social media, we need another way of contact, you've been a good friend and it's been interesting to know you also. My daughter and I are starting a new life and as you know my health is not real good. I think I will live longer if I leave the site to be completely honest. I was happy to handle flags, but the meta stress is just not worth it. We've had a lot of change in our lives and we are moving into a much better life and walking away from undue stress. Take care my friend xo — Yvette 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Yvette
Thank you so much for this, I want to accept this and hovercraft's answer. I'm torn. meta.stackoverflow.com/a/399509/3956566Yvette 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Yvette
@DalijaPrasnikar thank you and I will miss you and many others also. That is the only misgiving. xoxo — Yvette 38 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Yvette
It didn't take long for the reality of the stress of meta to bring back memories and the break did me well, as I don't want it anymore and it had become assimilated as normal until the break. Take care also through this covid, it's strange times and the world is in crisis. — Yvette 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Yvette
@DalijaPrasnikar we are moving house, so I will try and start a pets site on there in a few months :) — Yvette 12 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dalija Prasnikar
If I am not here... I am mostly on Twitter... I might keep an eye on Codidact :) — Dalija Prasnikar 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dalija Prasnikar
Does feeding 30+ birds counts as having pets ;) — Dalija Prasnikar 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Yvette
@DalijaPrasnikar of course! And birds are best left out of cages anyway. what sort of birds? — Yvette 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Andras Deak
@Yvette I think I remembered your step-down's time frame and subsequent coming back to chat. Messages like this and this made me misremember, sorry. — Andras Deak 7 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Yvette
@DalijaPrasnikar lovely. We had a family of magpies at one of our homes and the babies would take food from my hand, the parents would watch. Birds are beautiful. We want to get chickens when we move. — Yvette 9 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Makoto
I would be lying otherwise; I bit my tongue here. Know this: I truly am glad that you're deciding to take care of yourself, since mental health in these kinds of trying times ain't no joke. But also know that even though I'm not as attached to the moderation side of Stack Overflow these days - somewhat ironically for the same "profit off of our free labor" rationale - I'm still searching for a moderator that can truly outlast the storm. If nothing else, I thank you for informing us of your ability to do just that. I'm not trying to be indecent. But I'm happy for the community today. — Makoto 54 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dalija Prasnikar
Mostly sparrows... some tits, few common blackbirds, occasional robin... — Dalija Prasnikar 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Yvette
I appreciate you being an advocate for the community and assisting with my decision to leave the network, I'm sure you have a full picture of what goes on behind the scenes and who does what - not. Anyway, it's no longer my problem. — Yvette 37 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Makoto
Well, if I have to own the notion that I was a catalyst in forcing you off the network, then I'll begrudgingly do so. But I'll also put all other candidates on notice - if no one is truly ready to deal with the absolute mess that is Stack Overflow, and if one truly harbors some kind of emotions about the past, then running for moderator isn't going to fix any of that, or make any of that go away. I'll be back during the next election cycle to be sure the armor-piercing questions that need to be asked of candidates keep being asked so we can really test one's mettle. — Makoto 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Yvette
@AndrasDeak yes, that is true, that is why this isn't a rash decision, but I didn't quit. I was drawn back onto the site by concerned people messaging me and it was a mistake, but it doesn't matter now, it's all be said and done. For me that is. I feel like I'm always on trial on meta and it's exhausting and 90% of what is thrown at me are false allegations. The irony is, if questions were posed objectively and not laden with thinly disguised contempt it would be easier. Not saying you are doing this - you're not, just generally. — Yvette 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Yvette
You didn't force me off the site, you didn't help. There's been a small posse that have made my life miserable on SO. I think you are misguided in your analysis, I've done far more than you realise and when the newly elected mods burn out and do not last the distance and down the track you may realise, you actually lost a good mod. Trust me, I know who does what on that team. You'd be surprised. I'm not a lynch pin by any means, but I can go the distance, I proved that. I just don't want to anymore. The meta harassment is not worth it. You haven't harassed me, as I say there's a handful of — Yvette 43 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Yvette
people, one currently suspended on MSE, one was suspended on MSE some months ago for harassing me. They write post dedicated to my actions, with thinly veiled discussion maligning me. The assumptions that my motives are nefarious and it's not ok. There is a reason the CMs and some of the mod team support me. They know how hard I worked my butt off and that I strive hard to be objective and fair. I don't have to like the discourse on meta. Who would? People should have someone they don't agree with as a mod if everyone is like minded it's not good for checks and balances. — Yvette 9 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Yvette
fwiw we used to get along and I was surprised by your attitude towards me. But I do think posting an answer here, where you have to bite your tongue hard, speaks volume of your low opinion of me. I never mentioned mental health and you bring it into the conversation to further dismiss me as a viable and valuable person. These things come across as snipes and swipes, particularly when you consider there's now over 100 comments across the network with people giving their opinion as to how awful I am and the analysis behind my actions. It show how little people know me. That's what makes me sick. — Yvette 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Yvette
And the fact that people are doing all the things they accuse me of and when I reply they say "see she's doing what she accuses us of" it's this bizarre cycle and no one stops to think, I'm not insulting people individually and analysing them to be villians, I do not like the harassment and when many people post dozens of comment about how horrible someone is, it's harassment. It's god awful and it's why I'm leaving the site. But hey it's the elephant in the room and it's all me who's in the wrong. — Yvette 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Makoto
For the record: my opinion of you isn't low, and I'd say it's been pretty consistent over the years. I've never called you awful or said anything untoward you; I bit my tongue so this wouldn't go in the direction it did. But...since we're here...I'll just say that you wanted to leave the site, and you're lingering around in my inbox. I'm not a fan of indecisiveness. — Makoto 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Yvette
I am leaving. I am also allowed to make comments while I'm still here. Sorry am I annoying you by expressing my viewpoint? Dam, I now realise that's only reserved for people who don't agree with me. When my account is deleted, I will not be commenting. — Yvette 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by jscs
This response is considerably more ranty and rude than the original post. — jscs 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Rubén
@TheMaster As I don't like the "Watch" feature so much I using it for very few tags but I'm still reviewing frequently other tags including the tags that are being suggested to be scrapped. — Rubén 19 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by jscs
No matter how you read the original post, this response is considerably more ranty and rude. — jscs 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zoe
If hoping people take care of their mental health in seemingly distressing times is an insult, it's just yet another proof of how screwed up our society is. Mental health needs to be discussed more - not be shoved under a carpet or labeled insulting. You didn't mention mental heatlh, no, but what Makoto tried was to express a hope that you're doing this to take care of yourself - not to take a final stab at your candidacy. Try to take it from the "saying goodbye" perspective instead of whatever this was — Zoe 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
Comments are not for extended discussion; this conversation has been moved to chat. — Cody Gray ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TheMaster
@Braiam Just one question: Are you in favor of scrapping all dependent tags like arrays for example? — TheMaster 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Yvette
@CodyGray the moderation you've done on this post is the most supported I've ever felt by you, in fact probably the only time I've felt support from you. Thank you. It's a good way to end things. Take care. I've asked Catija to suspend my account and change the username until it can be deleted. Bye — Yvette 29 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TheMaster
@Rubén It's a indicator of how many people are interested are in the tag and not a absolute. I understand that. But it is a "relative" indicator of actual watchers. If tag1 has 10 and tag2 has 100 watchers, real number ratio will also close to 10:100. — TheMaster 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TheMaster
There is no consensus that its a bad tag either. I link [my answer there]. I don't see any reason that it's bad. A similar example would be the tag arrays. It's not a standalone tag, frequently used across multiple products and languages. — TheMaster just now
 
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[ Boson ] New comment posted by Temani Afif
[ Boson ] New comment posted by John Montgomery
It's just a single downvote, as long as that's all that happens it isn't worth worrying about. People can downvote for any reason they want or no reason at all, as long as they aren't mass-downvoting a single user. See also Why isn't providing feedback mandatory on downvotes, and why are ideas suggesting such negatively received?John Montgomery 16 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Temani Afif
hover the downvote arrow to read the reason — Temani Afif 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Don't Panic
Voting on questions and answers isn't closed when someone accepts an answer. It stays open permanently. It's how we rank the most useful content so that it will be the easiest to find. — Don't Panic 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
Please stop with this nonsense claim that posts are downvoted "for no reason". There's always a reason. That you do not know the reason is different from there being no reason. — Cody Gray ♦ 1 min ago
 
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[ Boson ] New comment posted by Hans Passant
It doesn't seem likely that your question ought to the canonical for every "complex oracle query", some programmer is bound to be disappointed from the google query hits. There is at least one SO user that can think of a better title, and still active, asking them to help is best. Done. — Hans Passant 43 secs ago
 
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