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5:09 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by John Montgomery
Do you have "show removed posts" checked? — John Montgomery 39 secs ago
 
5:23 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TylerH
@CodyGray I thought bounties were not refunded by default when a mod cancels one. You're saying not only is the opposite true, you don't even have the option to not refund a mod-canceled bounty? — TylerH 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by β.εηοιτ.βε
Not sure about history in the links, I like the bell icon on the other hand — β.εηοιτ.βε 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TylerH
Originally I was thinking just cancel the bounty if a bountied question was closed and not reopened within 24 hours, but that would be too susceptible to abuse for people looking to rob users of reputation wholesale. This I think is the best solution (though I'd like to see Luuklag's suggestion incorporated as well). — TylerH just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by jonrsharpe
Comments can't be downvoted, and deletion doesn't necessarily mean it was a bad comment (maybe it was just no longer needed, for example). — jonrsharpe 55 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TylerH
@Melvyn the company wants to move in the direction of newbie friendly. They've shown they don't care much about the negative impact to site quality/experience if the end result is SO being more friendly to newbies. — TylerH 1 min ago
 
5:41 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Scratte
You could also make 25 good edits to current posts that needs editing and gain reputation enough to make a comment. If answering is not your thing, that is. — Scratte 46 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Luis Fernando Frontanilla
@Makoto of course, that's the obvious intent, but I think he/she is smart enough to (given she/he's gonna fail for sure this time) repurpose the experience and learn from all this feedback, the competitors approach and the general postulating experience. I can see why at the moment he/she's not a good candidate, but to me her/his ideas are more innocent and purer. Given experience and maturing I can see noɥʇʎԀʎzɐɹƆ doing a better job than current top voted candidates. — Luis Fernando Frontanilla 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by gnat
[ Boson ] New comment posted by M--
A user criticized/accused you for/of ranting in the comments. And your response is somewhat passive-aggressive: Link to comment I don't think that's the way to invalidate their statement. — M-- 48 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by lead
@Scratte, I addressed why this wasn't a good solution in my post. — lead 41 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Makoto
Okay @LuisFernandoFrontanilla, you do you then. — Makoto 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by lead
@gnat, no, it does not. This is closer, but it still didn't have any good answers. — lead 33 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by lead
@jonrsharpe I had thought the red and blue numbers next to comments indicated up and downvotes, I guess I was mistaken. If that's the case, my point remains the same. Upvoted comments could earn more comments, otherwise the rate limit could be incredibly extended for new comment quotas. — lead 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zoe
Look at it from the perspective of someone looking for an answer in the future - would you rather have plain text, or a link that could've been restructured, removed, or even been redirected to spam and/or malware resulting in no answer? — Zoe 28 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zoe
"The whole "link-only answers rule" is a greedy attempt to steal link juice by Stack Overflow" - if a link dies, you might be sitting there with a potential answer 5 years after it was posted that you can't use because OP only posted a link. The link-only answer has nothing to do with keeping traffic on SO - it's about making sure the answers remain useful. Even the most seemingly stable links die - Apple reconstructed their documentation and caused a whole bunch of dead links on Stack Overflow. Google's link shortener was shut down. — Zoe 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Trilarion
@samu "I'm not sure I understand how this would help." SO has a very short lived attention span. A question is seen a lot during the first minutes of its life and then much much less. It's important to quickly react to any comments that might come in order to use that short window of increased attention as best as possible. It's just best practice based on experience. I understand this as a possible way to tell users about it. — Trilarion 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zoe
You've talked a lot about users needing to get answers - including in chat - but you miss the absolute pain an answer that has been broken by a link causes. Ever been stuck on a problem for hours without finding anything relevant, and then finding the question, and a promising answer, except the link is dead so it's useless? Some links can be salvaged, sure, but nowhere near all links do. Some websites are also built up in a way that requires a snapshot of several sites to properly cover the entire answer, and no where near enough people go through that effort. — Zoe 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Luis Fernando Frontanilla
@Makoto the fact that right now noɥʇʎԀʎzɐɹƆ has the chance to see further than the apparent "whole point of this" is enough proof that the new generations are, without a doubt, gonna impress us in a very positive way. — Luis Fernando Frontanilla 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ooker
@fbueckert yes, upvote's "reactions" can be implemented as well. Here I just focus on the downvote — Ooker 57 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Scratte
@lead You gave an example of an answer for which editing didn't make sense. Not examples of editing grammar and phrasing on posts that really needs it. — Scratte 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Melvyn
@TylerH Yeah, I've been seeing that. I wonder how long it takes before the downwards spiral has gone so far, that there no more answers to be obtained, because all experience has left the building. — Melvyn 16 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zoe
Obligatory XKCD - link-only answers with dead links are as useful as "Oh, I see" as an answer. — Zoe 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Serge Ballesta
Not added to the answer, because I know that it is questionnable, but I have already seen new users using answers to ask good questions to OP. And every time I see one, I make a comment with it (leaving the original commenter name) and ask the poster to delete their own (non) answer. — Serge Ballesta 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by lead
@Scratte earning reputation points through copy editing doesn't seem relevant to this community. I understand that's a public service that the community wants to exist, but it really doesn't solve the problem. If you think I should further edit my post to reflect this fact, I am willing to do that. — lead just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by lead
It's pretty easy to add a flag functionality for why a comment was deleted. Furthermore the organizational strategy you're proposing (one that invalidates the purpose of comments) is a nightmare. I do not want telescoping questions on this site when all I need is a slightly better answer to an existing question! Higher levels of exposure do not make it easier for users to find the answer to their question, it just creates a mess of similar questions to have to sort through. This is the entire purpose of upvotes! Your answer is bad but I can't downvote yet. — lead 40 secs ago
 
6:47 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by BSMP
You could add in that explanation for why you won't edit posts but I don't think it helps your case. — BSMP 48 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zach Saucier
This answer suggests requiring more moderation which is a hefty cost. Temani's suggestion to allow bountied questions to be closed by regular uses allows moderation that otherwise would happen (if there wasn't a bounty applied) happen. There's little to no cost of that. — Zach Saucier 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Scratte
What you are proposing is getting the ability to comments, by commenting. Not by adding any contributions that are here to stay. Why should you gain privileges to the site, if you do not wish to contribute? — Scratte 54 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by flakerimi
"Stack Overflow is dying"- you had my vote. — flakerimi 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by gnat
it looks like your fundamental misunderstanding is a belief that editing is not relevant here. I got my first 200 or 300 rep points here with edits. And if memory serves I got first few hundreds rep points at other Stack Exchange sites where I am active the same way. Not only editing is relevant - it is most convenient, safe and reliable way to gain initial reputation. And it also helps you learn how to better gain more rep with answers and questions along the way — gnat 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by samayo
You have got my vote — samayo 31 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Robert Harvey
@Aquarius_Girl: Actually, I was dead serious in my answer. — Robert Harvey 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zoe
You might be able to withdraw the block without explicitly allowing it - at least you can in firefox. It's like resetting the "do not ask" switch without answering the question. That being said, keep in mind that SE have really come to embrace fingerprinting (meta.stackoverflow.com/q/399248/6296561 meta.stackexchange.com/q/332229/332043 meta.stackexchange.com/q/332974/332043), and location is a great way to contribute to fingerprinting data. Could be a bad ad, but the marketing team doing it intentionally is sadly a real risk — Zoe 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zoe
Also, from the privacy policy: "When you use the Stack Overflow Network, and certain of our Products and Services, we collect location information about you including your IP address, your location, browser information, and how you came to the Stack Overflow Network" , as well as "You may revoke our permission to collect some of this data, including your location and browser information through your Account Settings" - could be Jobs has started polling locations actively. Surprised uBlock didn't nuke that though - I can't repro it with my overkill layer of defense in Firefox. — Zoe 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Yvette
@M-- seriously? I was agreeing with them and said I understood, if you want to make an issue out of it it's on you and the people who only want to see the bad. Ridiculous frankly. It shows I can't win, even if I say, "yeh, I understand" someone comes in and makes an issue out of it. Oh and I suppose someone will make an issue out of this comment too.... rolls eyesYvette 15 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Alexei Levenkov
@lead please edit your proposal to explain how it solves the reason for 50 rep limit - preventing spam comments. (Side note: highlighting the fact you are not willing to make an effort to provide content as answers since it requires effort does not make the proposal more convincing... you may want to reword some of the proposal to look less lazy) — Alexei Levenkov 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Yvette
@TylerH I answered the same question under the nomination, many mods have not participated on main for a long time. And the moderation level was not static after 8 months, it was more intense. I will probably answer more question on main at some point. — Yvette 24 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by M--
I am sorry that you feel that way. I tried to be reflective of what I see there, while being positive as much as possible. No personal issues intended. I have also left a comment under your nomination saying that I don't see the problem in (most of) your actions, but there's some "beef" apparently, which needs to be addressed (the problem could be with the other users, but to be a mod, you need to address them). — M-- 38 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by M--
Saying that you understand is not the best answer as I said, since you want to be a moderator. Some more elaboration is definitely needed. We need to get to the bottom of concerns and issues to be comfortable with reelecting you. That answer just shuts down the conversation. — M-- 31 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by M--
And, finally with your last comment. I do see a problem with it. I haven't had any interactions prior to this with you and you labeled me as a person who wants to see bad. In any case, I am sorry if I did upset you. That wasn't my intention at all. — M-- 17 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Yvette
@M-- there were three comments posted under the nomination shortly before the election started, two literally minutes before, yours an hour before. The comments are locked once the election starts. So I cannot reply there and I saw your comment. But you came here with a provocative accusation, although you think it's reflective, in reality it's an accusation. Can you see that? — Yvette 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Yvette
@M-- as I said, you left a comment under my nomination I was unable to reply to, then you came here and said I was passive aggressive, you didn't explain that the comment lacked elaboration or explanation. So what am I left to think? I don't know why you're coming here and saying that. It's an odd comment out of the blue don't you think? Not the conversation afterwards clarifying what you have meant, that is constructive. — Yvette 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Alexei Levenkov
Side note: you really should remove/reword "You can try this if it helps you" - editing posts that don't actually provide answer to the question does not look like best use of one's time... — Alexei Levenkov 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Alexei Levenkov
Already implemented - stackoverflow.com/help/how-to-ask - "After you post, leave the question open in your browser for a bit, and see if anyone comments. If you missed an obvious piece of information, be ready to respond by editing your question to include it. If someone posts an answer, be ready to try it out and provide feedback!" — Alexei Levenkov 14 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by M--
Did I mention that I was expecting an answer to that comment? I understand that it was last minute, so I am totally fine with that left unanswered. Provocative accusations... I read the post and comments and the left another one. I haven't had any interactions (except the comment that I left under nomination, last minute, so no answers from you, basically no interaction). Your comment didn't address the concern, it was more of empathy. All that said, yes, I can see why you feel that way after long conversations which some are critical of you. But we expect more open-mindedness from mods. — M-- 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by M--
I apologize If I was unclear at first. Hope that overall, I was able to convey my opinion and point. Cheers. — M-- 24 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
There is no need for the asker to stay around. That helps them, but has no impact on us. If the question is missing information, it should be closed immediately. You do not wait for them to respond before casting a close vote. — Cody Gray ♦ 17 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
They're manually reviewed by employees, as far as I understand. — Cody Gray ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Martin Smith
@ZachSaucier - the number of bountied questions is miniscule compared to other moderation tasks like reopen questions. Hardly "hefty" — Martin Smith 35 secs ago
 
8:33 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Trilarion
@Leonard Google "stack overflow low quality posts" and you'll get at least equally many hits if not many more. The problem is that all that including the statement from SO 2018 is never really been quantitative. We don't how how rude SO really is and opinions on that may differ. If you have a good idea what to do and even if it is only a way to objectively measure rudeness, I'm interested to hear it. — Trilarion just now
 
8:47 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Yvette
@M-- yep, it's all good :) — Yvette 32 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by 10 Rep
I'm just editing all the posts to have a tfs-20xx tag on them. — 10 Rep 32 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dharman
@AlexeiLevenkov I agree maybe I should reword that first sentence, but this is still an answer. It could use a better explanation though, which would be a valid reason to edit it. — Dharman 55 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
@10Rep in the Answer we've put as guidance that also the base tag tfs should be added. — rene 5 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Temani Afif
please consider the last part of my question. My concern is not the bounty but the fact that a question is off topic. I don't care if the bounty is awared, refunded, lost, etc. An off topic question should be always closed and never answered. As simple as that. — Temani Afif 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Serge Ballesta
@lead: This is the purpose of answers on Meta: let the community vote to decide what is prefered by contributors. BTW, when I find a comment on a answer of mine asking more details, I often advise to ask a new question with a [mcve] because it is essential to understand a problem. A comment may only be enough for trivial things. — Serge Ballesta 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by halfer
It sounds like the filtering mechanism that was used to trigger these emails is faulty. Don't worry about it, this happens. In this post, "frustrating" sounds like an overstatement, and "deceptive" sounds plainly wrong. I know there is some resentment against the company at the moment, but I am not sure this is the right topic to post it on. — halfer 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by 10 Rep
@rene Ok, I'll go over them again. — 10 Rep 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by 10 Rep
We need to create a tfs-2011 tag. For some reason it doesn't exist. — 10 Rep 40 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by 10 Rep
@rene See here. — 10 Rep 17 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
@10Rep has that product ever existed? There was a version 11 but that was either tfs 2012 or tfs 2010 — rene 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by John M. Wright
They are manually reviewed by the marketing department. See meta.stackoverflow.com/a/387562/682840John M. Wright 13 secs ago
 
9:59 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by bad_coder
Bounties on questions are such a small fraction of the daily inflow that I hardly see it, as you say: "having clearly off topic question featured with a bounty then we are killing SO for real." And of those, only a tiny fraction are probably "off-topic". How many duplicates have you answered? — bad_coder 58 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by halfer
@DavyM: you are absolutely right, thanks. I will correct the post. — halfer 24 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Davy M
Were those comments and reply possibly made on the Election Nomination page and not Meta? — Davy M 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Davy M
I just looked back and found I had made a comment in the March 2019 election and it is also displayed in the activity tab in this same way. — Davy M 29 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by halfer
Thanks @DavyM. I have added an update - perhaps it is meant to be like this. If so, I wonder if those entries could do with a title, e.g. "Moderator Election 12". — halfer 1 min ago
 
10:27 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Makyen
@ouflak I didn't want you to feel people we ganging up on you. What other people have explained here is largely what I was trying to convey in what I wrote. Basically, the "leeway" isn't about the user having 1 rep or 100k rep. It's about the user having some track record of being here to provide benefit to the site and not being here just to promote their thing, whatever that thing is. I realized the way I wrote that portion of my answer tried to explain that from the negative position, which could easily not convey what I intended. I've rewritten that section. I hope it's more clear. — Makyen 22 secs ago
 
10:39 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
This is normal and expected behavior. Your comments on the nomination post are made on Stack Overflow, and they're part of your Stack Overflow activity. Where else should they go? A revamp of the election system is underway, so now would be the time to recommend another place. Perhaps they would make more sense associated with your Meta account? But then you'd need a Meta account to be able to participate in the election. — Cody Gray ♦ 1 min ago
 
10:53 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by johnny 5
@TemaniAfif hold Ill clarify my point — johnny 5 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
@flakerimi What exactly do you think that this candidate is going to do to prevent Stack Overflow from dying? How do you think that electing them as a moderator is going to help, over what they could do without moderator privileges? — Cody Gray ♦ 54 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by johnny 5
The question made it 2 days, without being closed, The triage queue is almost never backed up, so its most surely been review. The user spent their points, what difference does it make if the question is off topic, if thats the case, don't answer the question, down-vote it, or flag it. Giving users the ability to close it will cause just as many problems for moderators. — johnny 5 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
Yeah, agreed. They should actually be linked to the specific comment, as with all the other comments there, but for some reason that support was removed in the current election system. That should be coming back with the redesign. — Cody Gray ♦ 8 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by halfer
@Cody: fair enough. However, comments made during a nomination phase are always available (e.g. here is the Nomination phase for Election 11). Thus, I think titles should be rendered here, linked to the appropriate page/tab. At the moment the comment/response entries are not clickable. — halfer 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
The bounty's system purpose is not to allow users to sacrifice reputation to bypass the rules. It does matter if the question is off-topic. Off-topic questions are not allowed here, and they need to be closed. Allowing the community to close off-topic questions, regardless of whether or not they have a bounty attached to them, will be a lot less work for moderators and will not cause any problems that I can see. — Cody Gray ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Temani Afif
the problem is; (1) I will ask my off topic question (2) put a bounty on it [now it's immune to moderation] (3) I will get my answer (4) I don't care what will happen later (closed, deleted, bounty refunded, etc etc) <--- repeat this as many time as I want and SO is now a place for homework questions, discussion, give me code, do this for me for free, debug my webiste and so on. — Temani Afif 1 min ago
 
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