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12:22 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by NoName
@JohnMontgomery Yes, but my god, someone needs to edit the title of that post. Very confusing. — NoName 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by John Montgomery
Questions about the usage of programming tools are on-topic. Questions asking to find a tool are off-topic, as that same page says. — John Montgomery 2 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tom
That tools part in that help sections is about specific question about specific tools, like "how to do X with tool Y" (and tool Y should be commonly used among devs). You have a general "suggest me a tool" question, those are off-topic. — Tom 34 secs ago
 
12:56 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Scott Schafer
Oh yeah, please keep the downvotes on this "discussion" post coming. Really feels good to know that discussion and dissent is so unwelcome on this site! — Scott Schafer 1 min ago
 
1:08 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tom
The red dot doesn't consider individuals. When the queue is quite full, then it will get that don't, doesn't matter if you can review those items or not (i.e. already reviewed your items or are review banned) — Tom 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Martijn Pieters
Downvotes could just as much mean: this question lacks research. You cited the general topic statement but missed the part where it says what the exceptions are. It starts at Some questions are still off-topic, even if they fit into one of the categories listed above. — Martijn Pieters ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by John Montgomery
Downvotes on Meta don't have any actual consequences, and they certainly don't prevent you from discussing anything. They just mean that people disagree with your premise (which has already been discussed ad nauseam), or with your attitude. — John Montgomery 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Samuel Liew
99% of migration requests are rejected. — Samuel Liew ♦ 44 secs ago
 
1:24 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Samuel Liew
@CertainPerformance or my ReviewQueueHelper, which does it natively and does not require the API or getting/storing the user's access token. Also it skips review audits, adds keyboard shortcuts, etc. — Samuel Liew ♦ just now
 
2:00 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
How does reading an automatically posted comment phrased in the form of a question cause any of the things you mention to happen? — Cody Gray ♦ 58 secs ago
 
2:22 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by peterh - Reinstate Monica
Anyone has an idea, why this question should have got -20, except that we are overly hostile? — peterh - Reinstate Monica 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by peterh - Reinstate Monica
@Ibai If you unaccept my answer, then I will be able to delete it. If your question has no more answers, you will be able to delete it. So you won't end up with a -20 question in your profile. If your profile is important for you (I long stopped it), this is the only way to ever delete your question. It is a "funny" way for the community, to deter new users from participating, by creating undeletable, deeply downvoted questions in their profile. — peterh - Reinstate Monica 35 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Daniel W.
@CodyGray the same reason as why placebos work. — Daniel W. just now
 
2:50 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by peterh - Reinstate Monica
Of course I could reformulate the post to ask for "Why X got -20?", to defend it from the obvious delete reason, but why? Also that it is clear, that this question will be deleted even so. — peterh - Reinstate Monica 39 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
What does downvoting have to do with neo-pronouns? And, more importantly, how is downvoting a question "unwelcoming"? — Cody Gray ♦ 28 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
I'm sorry, I still don't get it. Placebos work because you believe that they work, which is enough to overcome psychological symptoms, some of which may even be causing physiological ones. I don't know what in the world that has to do with a comment phrased in the form of a question. Are you saying that if I believe hard enough that the question is a duplicate, then it will become one? — Cody Gray ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by peterh - Reinstate Monica
@CodyGray 1: Both have to do something with "unwelcoming". The neo-pronoun is an example to show, that while the problem exists, its handling has not too much to do with the reality. 2: Well... it seems it is not trivial only for 1 rep users, and for avid MSO users. — peterh - Reinstate Monica 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by peterh - Reinstate Monica
@CodyGray Roughly that is what I expected, although not so quickly. — peterh - Reinstate Monica 5 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Alexei Levenkov
"Don't moderate content created by accounts with <100 rep" (which I believe what this post suggest) was discussed many times... Not exactly sure what new aspect of this you want to discuss here. — Alexei Levenkov 6 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by peterh - Reinstate Monica
@CodyGray If your life would directly depend on the success of the site, I think you would understand it. — peterh - Reinstate Monica 10 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
I cannot understand what you are trying to say. Why is it repeatedly such a shock to you that unpopular opinions get downvoted? — Cody Gray ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by peterh - Reinstate Monica
@AlexeiLevenkov Obviously not. Your reductio ad absurdum is false. Remain at the facts. — peterh - Reinstate Monica 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
Downvotes don't make the site unsuccessful. On the contrary: they're what makes Stack Overflow unique, and thus are key to its being the most successful Q&A site ever. People come here because content is moderated. Good content rises to the top; less interesting content gets pushed to the bottom. — Cody Gray ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by peterh - Reinstate Monica
@CodyGray You can defend the indefensible on the MSO, but probably it would not work so well in an executive - investor relation. — peterh - Reinstate Monica 12 secs ago
 
3:32 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
So we should all upvote each others posts so that we can make lots of money? Sounds good. You can just send it to me via PayPal. My email is in my profile. — Cody Gray ♦ 25 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Makoto
Huh. Okay. I never really saw it that way; it was advertised as a thing for devs to avoid the bad experiences we've had when trying to find work on the other job sites. I suppose I've learned something new tonight. — Makoto 37 secs ago
 
3:50 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by peterh - Reinstate Monica
@CodyGray No. We should not be so evil. — peterh - Reinstate Monica just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
Is downvoting evil now? Is it evil to disagree with a post's message? To think that something is low quality or not interesting? That's not how I define "evil". — Cody Gray ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by peterh - Reinstate Monica
@CodyGray Yes, in this case. Btw, I admit that part that the question misses the concrete suggestions, what should be done differently. Another weak point of the question that it accuses a collective entity, while only induvidual persons can react it. Not surprisingly, these weren't even mentioned in the "reactions". The typical attitude of the "reactions" that they play as if they would not understand the problem. — peterh - Reinstate Monica 1 min ago
 
 
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5:02 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by peterh - Reinstate Monica
The SO is not very welcoming. However, in this case, my first impression about your question is that I don't understand. It collected 1 close vote until now (not mine, I did not vote it), but also the others will likely arrive soon (particularly now that you drawn attention on the meta). What do you understand on "exercise" here, test runs? I work since decades in the IT, but I have no idea what is an "api blueprint". It is some type of communication log, or an interface definition? — peterh - Reinstate Monica 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by peterh - Reinstate Monica
This request-response thing suggests that you are likely working with http(s). You want to sniff the calls of some REST api and then process the data to generate some interface description? — peterh - Reinstate Monica 42 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by peterh - Reinstate Monica
What John Montgomery says, that is the communicated self-identification of the meta site. In practice, the downvotes serve to expel people like you. If you would remain here, and you would have also other suggestions, you might change the general attitude of the community. — peterh - Reinstate Monica 1 min ago
 
5:44 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by ivarni
 
6:10 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Modus Tollens
What happened? Do you have a link to the question? Maybe closing that question was a mistake, maybe it wasn't. Can you add some information please? — Modus Tollens 11 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jamn Nemn
all they is downvote — Jamn Nemn 50 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Modus Tollens
You mean this question or the deleted one? This one is downvoted because it lacks information - we can't help you if we don't know what happened. — Modus Tollens 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by ivarni
Imagine for a second that you're someone who doesn't know any of the context here and just saw those two sentences. Would they make sense to you? We can't help you if we don't have any information. — ivarni 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Modus Tollens
Note that you still can help reopen this question - by editing it and adding what we need to help you. — Modus Tollens 57 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jamn Nemn
well this is not closed — Jamn Nemn 1 min ago
 
6:40 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by ivarni
You could try to take a look at software engineering and see if your question might fit their scope. — ivarni 37 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jamn Nemn
keep hiding behind the downvote i see — Jamn Nemn 1 min ago
 
7:06 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ansgar Wiechers
@j08691 Hm? I said I did consider it unactionable (and therefore useless). — Ansgar Wiechers 41 secs ago
 
7:18 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
Thank you for voting (specially down) on posts. It is an important task that will keep Stack Overflow relevant for years to come. If the post you downvoted gets deleted, the -1 rep will get returned. Keep up the good work! — rene 57 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
In that last paragraph, are you trying to set yourself as an example? LOL. — rene 57 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by peterh - Reinstate Monica
@rene I try to argument that the ordinary usage of the site simply does not lead to so many downvotable posts. I think a better argument would be to say, that it is because you have already eliminated them. — peterh - Reinstate Monica 48 secs ago
 
8:14 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Martijn Pieters
@peterh see the tag for a description of what API Blueprint is: stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/apiblueprintMartijn Pieters ♦ 54 secs ago
 
9:00 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
Pointing out the obvious: Especially that last paragraph here is utter nonsense. Get active in JavaScript and you'll find a metric tonne of bad, hastily written, or plain wrong answers. They typically outnumber the good ones. — Cerbrus 57 secs ago
 
9:22 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
I'm sorry you had a bad experience on Stack Overflow, but calling other users "snobs" and "assholes" isn't going to help you. We do, however, expect a certain amount of effort from a question asker. Have a look at a couple of the top-votes answers here to see what you could / should have done differently. — Cerbrus 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by cci sugar
Do you understand the meaning of a programming snob - its someone who thinks he is superrior and to good to help noobs. — cci sugar 6 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by cci sugar
[ Boson ] New comment posted by cci sugar
@Cerbrus - the whole code is there - I searched and got to this myself. just had a problem where it kept on looping. so the answer was -= in stead of -. so he could have just answered that and kept it, i would have marked as solved and other noobs struggling with this could have found it . but he says its not helpfull. how does he know what noobs struggle with — cci sugar 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
That "programming snobs" attitude isn't going to improve your experience on SO, though. That question was correct to be closed, we close typo's like that because they're not useful for future visitors. We've all started out as "noobs", so please don't presume users don't know what it's like. — Cerbrus 1 min ago
 
10:04 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by peterh - Reinstate Monica
@Cerbrus Our tag distribution hugely differs, and I think it is quite possible that crap focuses to specific technologies popular in very newbie circles. I rethink my this view and tune the post. But, although you give far more downs than ups, you vote more to answers (4500) than questions (3800). And you vote little, compared to your reputation. I've seen here users who voted 1/7 of a whole site down, with lesser than 200 rep. I think you are not so bad guy. — peterh - Reinstate Monica 47 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by cci sugar
How do you know it was correct - imagine someone else had this problem and you answered it. then i searched and found it,wow. that would be awesome' — cci sugar 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by deceze
There are a million different reasons for infinite loops, and each of them unique. Why didn't you find a solution in one of the existing "infinite loop" questions? Just face the fact that you have posted a question which clearly fell into one of our off-topic categories. It happens. That's absolutely no reason to act as you current are. — deceze ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by cci sugar
and if you read the freaking q you would see that million reasons did not apply here. ffs — cci sugar 12 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by cci sugar
I do as my reputation dropped by three - it was a good question. i missed a = had - in stead of -=. wtf, why just not help and go on, why doe you always have to show you are superior by downgrading and hurting peoples reputation — cci sugar 44 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by deceze
"you would see that million reasons did not apply" — Exactly! There are countless other "my loop doesn't end" questions, and none of them applied to you. Having one more of those doesn't help anybody else either. So that argument of yours is self-defeating. Just let it go. — deceze ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by cci sugar
There is no such thing as a terribly poor question! Saying that is an insult to the person posting the question! Never say questions are bad, poor or off-topic for any reason, it is just rude! You should give the them benefit of the doubt. They just want a quick answer to their question, they tried, you are just bashing them with that negative characterization! Answer Everything Directly from the Tour page: With your help, we're working together to build a library of detailed answers to every question about programming . So this must change to only when moderators decide its so — cci sugar 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by cci sugar
my reputation is 1. so i am unable to ask my vba question i have, so this is moved to excell freaks and other excell forums. just because of their 3 minuses - i was on 7. ffs — cci sugar 7 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
@cgi It was not a good question. And that is fine. We all ask bad questions now and then. I've just checked and I have 40 deleted questions. Most of those I deleted after I realized, many times with someone else help (as you were helped in your question) of my mistake. The best course of action is to be grateful you got help, delete the question and move on. Hopefully learn from the experience and ask a better question in the future. A bad course of action? Freaking out and start ranting. You got help to fix your problem. That's the most important thing, right? — yivi 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
If you are question-banned, it's not only because of this question. You probably asked other questions that also got a poor reception. Each of those times was an opportunity to learn to do better in the future. If instead of doing that, you choose to be angry with those helping you, there is not much that can be done — yivi just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by deceze
@Davy Their question ban got triggered because they asked too many bad questions and/or they're currently rate limited. — deceze ♦ 33 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Davy M
1-reputation users can ask questions, what do you mean? — Davy M 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by cci sugar
Yes because of you the question was not prob in high standard for experienced programmers, but makes sense in my head. — cci sugar 27 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
Look, every website, forum or community has rules. Rules that you have to accept if you want to participate on that site. The rules of SO mean that typo questions like yours are closed. That's just simply how the site works. It's not "unfair", no-one is out to get you, it's just "business". You can either accept the rules and work with them, or not. It's up to you if you want to have an positive experience on this site. Ranting about rules being enforced is not going to help you in any way. I strongly suggest you take a step back, look over the help center, and try again at a later time. — Cerbrus 55 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
This has nothing to do with "high standard for experienced programmers". Your question is not searchable, and will not help future readers, regardless of their level of experience. That's why it was closed. — Cerbrus 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by cci sugar
ya well this sucks. Now i cant post. — cci sugar 29 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
I understand. I've been there. I'll probably be there again in the future. Questions that make sense in our heads but don't once they are out in the open is something we we all to learn to live with. But you need to understand that the onus is on you to post a good question, and you have as much time as you want to work on your question before hitting the "submit" button. The site is not meant to be a one-on-one help desk, but questions and answers are kept if they are deemed to be potentially useful for future visitors. Typo questions are mostly not helpful for future visitors. — yivi 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by cci sugar
@deceze please do not comment to or on my stuff. you are one of the moderators that needs trining — cci sugar 5 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
Other users were helpful towards you. They immediately pointed out your error, so you could fix it. — yivi 9 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
@ccisugar: Sorry, but that's just not how Stack Overflow works. — Cerbrus 14 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by deceze
Comments are not for extended discussion; this conversation has been moved to chat. — deceze ♦ 32 secs ago
 
 
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11:46 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by gnat
 
12:30 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Rounin
In my experience some Stack Overflow users (the ones who like to downvote and close questions) only think other users should be helped (or even positively interacted with) if that positive interaction helps Stack Overflow Inc. My take is that Stack Overflow is a very good platform to help other users, even when that peer-to-peer assistance doesn't benefit Stack Overflow Inc. This is why I (particularly) dislike the dupe system. — Rounin 17 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by deceze
It'll just start to clash if some users keep closing questions which others—perhaps even the company—want to keep open due to differing ideals. — deceze ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Gowachin
Well, two bans in my first week of review now makes a lot more sens thanks to this post. So I guess (from my actual ban stackoverflow.com/review/triage/25447165 ) if only one reviewer choose Unsalvageable, the other ones get banned ? Or does it require an admin to check the proportion of reviews choices ? Is there a post in Meta to explain in more detail what happens to a post depending on reviews, votes etc ? Like a graphic chart ^^ — Gowachin 5 secs ago
 
1:18 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Trilarion
@deceze If the company wants less questions to be closed, it could just say so. But it even lowered the threshold for close votes to three, so I guess for the moment they want more not less questions to be closed. Let's look at the close/reopen cycles. It's one thing that the company wanted to keep an eye on. — Trilarion 1 min ago
 
2:04 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Manuel Dom&#237;nguez
Using <pre> tags worked for me. The <!-- language: lang-none --> solution didn't work (words appeared still coloured) — Manuel Domínguez just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Gowachin
Thanks, I already read the first one. The second one is gold ! But is there a kind of choice chart to explain what happens to a question when it has been reviewed or even posted ? I didn't found any information explaining the fact a Requires Editing questions will be pushed into the Help and Improvement review queue. I found it difficult to understand the network between queues and how something goes in another. — Gowachin 25 secs ago
 
2:20 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by T A
This does not belong to meta, but the main stackoverflow. Try asking your question on www.stackoverflow.com, omit the meta. — T A 37 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Heretic Monkey
@NoName Feel free to edit it... — Heretic Monkey 1 min ago
 
2:46 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by MikeBeaton
It would be really, really helpful if there was on option in the review queues to automatically ping the user with the suggestion that their question does not meet these guidelines, with a link, asking them to read then re-ask. — MikeBeaton 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by John G
I had this happen too! It was bewildering, but I'm comforted to find this post. As the author of two books in U.S. English, I check to see whether anyone has helped me with an Android issue. Instead someone wants to change all my "customize" to "customise." Even worse, another user sagely signed off on it as a "grammar" fix. Look, I love the Oxford English Dictionary as much as the next coder -- I live in the UK and am married to an English person -- but this is becoming perverse. My question was about a SDK written in U.S. English. Is there a way we can prevent these point-grubbing incidents? — John G 1 min ago
 
2:58 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by John G
I had this happen too! It was bewildering, but I'm comforted to find this post. As the author of two books in U.S. English, I checked for answers to my frustrating Android issue. Instead someone wanted to change my "customize" to "customise." Even worse, other users sagely signed off on it as helping me with my "grammar." Look, I love the Oxford English Dictionary as much as the next coder but this is perverse. Is there a way we can prevent these point-grubbing incidents, whether from U.S. to UK English or the reverse? — John G 1 min ago
 
3:10 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by John G
I had this happen too! It was bewildering, but I'm comforted to find this post. As the author of two books in U.S. English, I checked for answers to my frustrating Android issue. Instead someone wanted to change my "customize" to "customise." Even worse, other users sagely signed off on it as helping me with my "grammar." Look, I love the OED as much as the next coder but this is perverse. Is there a way we can prevent these point-grubbing incidents, whether from U.S. to UK English or the reverse? — John G 22 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Patrice
Good phrasing for the questions a lot of us still have :/. — Patrice 16 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Patrice
I edited my comment TO put "phrasing". Happy you picked up on it :P. Welcome back from the hiatus, btw — Patrice 32 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Sterling Archer
Oh hey, so we are doing phrasing! — Sterling Archer 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Security Hound
I used to explain every vote I issued and at some point people started to call those responses rude. In an effort not to be seen as rude, I then started to copy canned responses, but eventually somebody ended up calling those responses rude. At some point in the process, people with reputation at Stack Overflow would serially downvote my own contributions, whenever I submitted a response on a specific community. I had to hide all my other communities to avoid that behavior. Turns out the only way not to be rude in the eyes of these users is to upvote their low quality submissions.Security Hound 19 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Larnu
Asking and Answering is a privilege, and most of us that have posted enough know that. New users, on the other hand, see SO as a "free answer service" and it's our "duty" to answer their (homework) questions. Some users, however, that do answer questions don't help the volume of low quality (homework) questions by [answering]stackoverflow.com/q/60411720/2029983) them. In my view, the community of answerers need to be on board and stop answering awful questions (before they are closed). Without the answering community being "on board" with not answering, the bad questions won't stop. — Larnu 43 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Sterling Archer
@gnat it's depressing that a year later I feel the exact same as that user. — Sterling Archer 35 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Security Hound
@peterh-ReinstateMonica - I am sure this is a language problem, but referring to anyone as a "bad guy", is not nice. — Security Hound 41 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by gnat
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Sterling Archer
I would close it myself as a dupe, but I think then it would just brush my feelings aside. If something isn't fixed, bring it up again, and again, until something proper is done about it. — Sterling Archer 5 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
I'm tempted to close-vote this as a dupe, but since that'd mean I'd single-handedly dupe-hammer it, I won't. — Cerbrus 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Mr_DW_Brighton
I need more upvotes for the structure/Prince lyrics — Mr_DW_Brighton 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Sterling Archer
This site is for the discussion of Stack Overflow. Did you mean to ask this on stackoverflow.com? — Sterling Archer 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Patrice
You meant this for Stack. Not Meta stack. (notice the url begins with "meta"?). Meta is meant to discuss the main site (the community, the guidelines, bugs with it, etc). — Patrice 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Erik A
Who is actually blaming you? The new users you just downvoted? Of course they will, no matter if your intentions are good, anonymous criticism is hard to take for some people. Afaik the company hasn't made any recent moves to criticize curators, and from recent moves I think the realization that we aren't the problem is very slowly sinking in, but that might be wishful thinking — Erik A 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Sterling Archer
@ErikA it's something the community has to stop doing to itself as well, not just SE. An example is an answer I disagreed with a couple days ago, and the user said to the question OP don't worry SO isn't welcoming. Heck, there is a comment on a meta post from 16 hours ago that starts with "SO isn't very welcoming" on a meta question about a closed question that was closed because it was looking for a 3rd party source. It's not just SE that did it to us. We did it to us as well. — Sterling Archer 17 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Trilarion
@deceze I thought a bit more about it and yes, if the individual missions differ by too much, you'll get internal friction and frustration. I added the last paragraph advocating to regularly rethink if further contribution is meaningful. I would rather retreat than continue a fight that is mostly fought by attrition. — Trilarion 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Patrice
@Mutu no harm done :). (Your rep or any ban algorithm isn't impacted by meta :) ) — Patrice just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Mutu A.
I'm sorry, I asked the question from my smartphone and didn't realize I was on Meta Stack. — Mutu A. 45 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Patrice
@Sterling to be fair, the author of that meta comment has been inherently negative about SO and its community for years. From that specific user, it's more 'business as usual' than anything else — Patrice 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Erik A
That sounds like the traditional Curator - Rep-Who-must-not-be named - Help vampire dynamic. The curator always catches the flack, it's been described often, but the only real thing we can do is ignore it. — Erik A 6 secs ago
 
4:10 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Sterling Archer
It sort of falls into the real life scenario where a janitorial position is often criticized by those that don't realize society would literally crumble without them. — Sterling Archer 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by gnat
rule #4 not mentioned by @HansPassant - if you don't understand the question, assume it's crap (and therefore, don't migrate) — gnat 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Sterling Archer
@ErikA if that's the only real thing we can do, something has to be done. You can only ignore something for so long (in my case, about 7 years). It would really be nice to know that some higher power supports what we do, and how we do it. I don't think I've seen SE do much but condone, instead of praise in these aspects (but I may be ignorant, as I can't read all of meta or the blog posts or podcasts) — Sterling Archer 1 min ago
 
4:30 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Adrian Mole
But I have to add that there is a significant overlap/intersection of your second and third groups - as there should be. — Adrian Mole just now
 
4:44 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by John G
Rewarding this kind of behavior is not a good way to make Stack Overflow a welcoming space. I had this happen too! It was bewildering, but I'm comforted to find this post. As the author of two books in U.S. English, I checked for answers to my frustrating Android issue. Instead someone wanted to change my "customize" to "customise." Even worse, other users sagely signed off on it as repairing my bad "grammar." Look, I love the OED as much as the next coder but this is perverse. Is there a way we can prevent these point-grubbing incidents, whether from U.S. to UK English or the reverse? — John G 48 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Adrian Mole
 
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[ Boson ] New comment posted by Matthew
I only see one answer from yourself in the linked question. — Matthew 43 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Mat
That's not spam, it's not an advert at all. — Mat 58 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by RobertS supports Monica Cellio
@Matthew I see two. The "deleted" one with the mark "This post is hidden." and the original active one. — RobertS supports Monica Cellio 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Matthew
I believe that's standard when you delete something, it disappears for all bar you + moderators. I assume you see something similar to: i.gyazo.com/b328838959c8221b4cbd6960628c5f58.pngMatthew 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cindy Meister
FWIW I see it pretty much the way ErikA commented: In recent months SEI (the company) has backed off pointing to curators as "culprits". Unfortunately what was voiced in public-facing media (tweets, blogs, etc) early last year has made its way into the jargon complainers use: "toxic", "unwelcominng", etc. They probably hope/expect that pounding on these terms will change policy. Indications I've been seeing recently say otherwise. I've been participated in a number of on-line interviews about UI changes and they've all been pro-quality / pro-curation... — Cindy Meister 26 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jeanne Dark
Deleted posts can be viewed by 1) their author, 2) moderators and 3) user with 10k+ reputation. Your answer is deleted the way posts are deleted on SE. — Jeanne Dark 28 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by RobertS supports Monica Cellio
@Matthew Yes, exactly but with the difference that it is marked that I deleted the answer: "This post is hidden. You deleted this post 4 days ago.RobertS supports Monica Cellio 39 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by RobertS supports Monica Cellio
@JeanneDark I know, but I want the post to be completely deleted for everyone to see, even for myself. — RobertS supports Monica Cellio 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cindy Meister
...So flag those comments on Main for removal and VTC on Meta when you run into that kind of thing and watch how it gets removed. And people suspended. — Cindy Meister 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Davy M
@RobertS Permanent deletions aren't supported just because a user doesn't want to see them. Only a choice handful of questions get deleted at the database level, and those need a pretty solid justification to do that. You've provided no reason as to why your answer should be a special case where normal deletion isn't sufficient. — Davy M 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Sterling Archer
@CindyMeister we all know the content can be removed and it is removed. Sexist comments are removed, so why is the community called sexist? The stigma remains. — Sterling Archer 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jeanne Dark
Jeff Atwood: "As for answers (apologies for the above digression, but you can see why deletion has some odd consequences), there is no concept of hard deletion of answers. It simply doesn't exist, and never has." By posting anything on any SE site, you are also agreeing to SE's licensing terms. — Jeanne Dark 21 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Sterling Archer
"Exists only to promote a product or service, does not disclose the author's affiliation." It does not fit this criteria. Just because they've slipped through the cracks doesn't mean yours will -- the system isn't perfect. — Sterling Archer 53 secs ago
 
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[ Boson ] New comment posted by RobertS supports Monica Cellio
@JeanneDark Ok, that gives an answer to that I can´t have it really deleted. But keeps the question why this is the case. Is it because of that a user is liable for something he/she posts if the post contains inappropriate or abusive content or is it because of a technical issue or only just because it was kind of "forgotten" to implement? — RobertS supports Monica Cellio 46 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jeanne Dark
Probably neither. Once you post something, it belongs to SE. You have no right to have it permanently deleted (only to no longer have your name attached to it, either by disassociating from it or deleting your account). Why should SE allow its users to permanently delete that content (or give moderators the power to decide that)? It's their content now and it might be valuable (e. g. imagine good contributors rage-quitting and deleting some of their best answers). If it's soft-deleted, high-rep users or moderators can later still decide it's worth being undeleted. — Jeanne Dark 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by RobertS supports Monica Cellio
@DavyM It is no longer needed and wastes space of the SO servers. Isn´t that a pretty good justification? — RobertS supports Monica Cellio 15 secs ago
 
6:48 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by usr2564301
@CindyMeister: so I wasn't imagining a strong reek of self-confirmation and leading questions in the recent surveys? (Takes off tin foil hat.) — usr2564301 26 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Davy M
@RobertS Nope, that's not a good justification at all. SO doesn't consider bad or even harmful content a waste of space (They even get used for audits), so one that's just not needed doesn't even approach the threshold of wasting space. — Davy M 58 secs ago
 
7:20 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by John Montgomery
Actual deletion of content is deliberately difficult to do. Maybe the site wouldn't suffer from losing your duplicate answer, but neither is it so important to remove it that it's worth the trouble of doing so. — John Montgomery 44 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by John Montgomery
Note that disputed flags don't count against your flag statistics or contribute to a flag ban, so you aren't actually being punished in any way here. — John Montgomery 32 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nishant Agarwal
Apparently not this way because you just lost reputation. smh — Nishant Agarwal 49 secs ago
 
7:44 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by peterh - Reinstate Monica
@Cerbrus I reformulated the post. Not because I would hope a score signature change :-), but because I believe you are right. — peterh - Reinstate Monica just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by peterh - Reinstate Monica
@SecurityHound I wanted to edit it out from the post, but it was unfortunately in a comment. Btw, imho searching posts to vote them down is worser. — peterh - Reinstate Monica 55 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by ArSeN
Ran into this exact issue. Wouldn't it mitigate the problem a lot if the quick help was just changed to read: "for questions that you yourself can make clear and answerable by editing" (note the added "yourself")? — ArSeN 57 secs ago
 
8:18 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
Another example (whole sale copy with attribution): Running a self-contained ASP .NET core application on UbuntuPeter Mortensen 9 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by JK.
My numbers: Visited 2534 days, 3 consecutive - I don't bother with keeping up the consecutive count, you gotta have some days away from the madness. — JK. 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by JK.
Some of us still remember why SO was created in the first place. It was because all the alternatives were absolute junk. Filled with unanswerable, unintelligible garbage questions, lots of "I have that problem too", lots of "Never mind I solved it" (but not telling you how). SO is now full of the exact same junk questions. Or in other words "Four legs good, two legs better". — JK. 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Patrice
You are on meta (check the beginning of your url). Meta is to discuss the main site (its community, its rules, its bugs, etc). Not to answer technical questions. — Patrice 49 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cristian Bolohan
oh ,that was why i couldn't put the unity tag ,thank you — Cristian Bolohan 23 secs ago
 
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[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
There is no such thing as “permanent” deletion. Full stop. Not for users, not for moderators, not for anyone. We can dissociate a post from your account so you won’t be shown as the original author anymore, but that’s pretty pointless in this case. That deleted answer isn’t hurting anyone or anything. There’s no reason to do anything more. — Cody Gray ♦ 1 min ago
 
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[ Boson ] New comment posted by Security Hound
@peterh-ReinstateMonica - I personally think the ratio of upvotes to downvotes only provides a snapshot into what actually happens. There are review queues with extremely bad contributions. For instance my ratio of downvotes to upvotes might suggest I downvote a lot of content, but most of the contributions I vote on, end up being deleted. — Security Hound 1 min ago
 
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[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cindy Meister
@SterlingArcher Not sure what I should reply to that... How do you fight preconceptions ("stigma") with no basis in reality (my opinion - I've never encountered what I consider sexism on SO Main)? Do you feel the situation is hopeless and you can't deal with it any longer? My reaction is to stand up proud and say, "No, that's not the case. My colleagues are decent human beings or I wouldn't be here. Show me the proof." And they'd better not come with that tired "the assumption is that everyone is male"! — Cindy Meister 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
I could not have said it any better, @Cindy. Can you say it in an answer, please? I totally agree that this vernacular of “welcoming” has been picked up by everybody whose question got closed without getting an answer. Recently, I’m even seeing known trolls using this sort of language in complaints that their trolling content got removed. It’s beginning to become very irritating. On the other hand, the quality of content on SO has not measurably declined as of late, and there are no restrictions on the community or moderators’ ability to clean it up as we always have. Let’s keep doing it. — Cody Gray ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cindy Meister
@usr2564301 The surveys... Yeah, the people who write those have an agenda. But so have I when I answer <evil-g> I wonder how many of those are to make people think one cares about personal orientations vs. How much weight that will actually be given... — Cindy Meister 27 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Steve Bennett
Thanks for the observation about volunteer communities not necessarily sharing a single mission. We all participate for different reasons. The reasons don't even have to be very closely aligned, as long as our actions don't directly oppose the site's mission. — Steve Bennett 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ansgar Wiechers
The correct title is, of course, "The Trial", not "The Process". *slaps self*Ansgar Wiechers 1 min ago
 
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[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cindy Meister
@CodyGray OK... My feelings may have run away with me a bit. There's more room in an Answer, than a comment. Apparently, my Taekwondo session today has left me a bit combative... — Cindy Meister 16 secs ago
 
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[ Boson ] New comment posted by nbk
Duplicate questions are ok, the high rep members crawl all good questions and leave often only the ugly and bad ones for the hungry rest and even when you answer nobody will give you a thumbs up, so let us have enough duplicate questions to get reputation — nbk 19 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TylerH
This question could be improved by adding details about exactly who is calling you unwelcoming. Aside from that, what you do expect, exactly, to change immediately upon your return? Change is a process, not an event. — TylerH 28 secs ago
 
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[ Boson ] New comment posted by Hans Passant
No mention at all of the 4th group, the ones that actually make the site work. The answerers. There was a pretty notable event 4 weeks ago, didn't get any attention. First week ever when the questions/answers ratio dropped below 1.0. That kinda happens when nobody cares. — Hans Passant 28 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Temani Afif
Yes, I am also facing the same issue with HTML/CSS code inside snippet, strange new coloration. I thought it was my eyes but seems not .. — Temani Afif 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Rainb
to complain about things, and to vent. And to waste time reading other people complaints — Rainb 46 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Travis J
It would appear that you think the people running the show weren't the problem here. Seemingly there was far more damage that came from inside the company than without with regards to your last several paragraphs. I am not sure that it is possible for the community to root out that behavior when it appears to be internalized. All we are seeing now is surface level calm masking the shock from having anyone who dissented fired or pushed out. — Travis J 55 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by David C. Rankin
Well, at least that proves I'm not going senile :)David C. Rankin 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Alexei Levenkov
Side note: "I enjoy editing and curating tasks" and "I'm not interested in moderating"? That is very confusing. Since editing and curating considered moderation are you saying you not interested in tasks you enjoy OR you consider editing not to be moderation OR something else altogether? — Alexei Levenkov 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick A
Guess I'm unlucky, they're both var(--red-600) for me (the lighter red) — Nick A 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Makoto
@HansPassant: I did mention them. They're mentioned with the group of users who also ask questions. — Makoto 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Rob
This may have been a caching thing? Both snippets render with the same colours for me. There's been a recent change to syntax highlighting that may have caused the mismatch? — Rob ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Hans Passant
Ah, same group. Makes sense, somehow. — Hans Passant 32 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by radulfr
@HereticMonkey that's super useful thanks mate — radulfr 47 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by radulfr
@ivarni thanks mate, I'll try asking there next time. :) — radulfr 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Hans Passant
border-bottom-color. Hmm, the dev team does make an effort to make their work visible. — Hans Passant 1 min ago
 
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[ Boson ] New comment posted by Makoto
Gonna be honest here - I'm not even paying attention to how the company views us right now. Frankly, it's not about how they view us; it's about how they shield us. Sure, they're not joining in the chorus of us being seen as the "bad guys". But I don't see them going out of their way to shield us from the criticism, either. They're taking a neutral stance, which may be OK, but I personally want something more. — Makoto 2 mins ago
 
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[ Boson ] New comment posted by David C. Rankin
@Rob Uugh.. But thank you for the link. The new colors are way too bright/saturated. The same color would work if they were desaturated to work on dark backgrounds. I most certainly prefer what the cached image shows compared to the "Electric Red" of the new string color. When you pass 50, you appreciate the old "If it ain't broke -- don't fix it" more and more. — David C. Rankin 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
I guess being over 50 also makes you dislike saturated colors? I kinda like the new saturated colors. Some color pop is nice because it makes them easier to distinguish from the black plain text. The only important thing is sufficient contrast against the background, but...to my eyes, it looks like even the red has that. — Cody Gray ♦ just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
I interpreted as he's not interested in running for diamond janitor, @Alexei. In other words, the very narrow definition of the term "moderator", not the broad one where it means "curator". — Cody Gray ♦ 21 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ahmed Abdelhameed
@HansPassant I just want you to know that your efforts are very much appreciated. I've learned A LOT from your answers over the years. — Ahmed Abdelhameed 1 min ago
 

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