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12:08 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by AmerllicA
Thanks @CodyGray, Yes last year I was a really a rep-whore, I make several sockpuppet accounts to promote my reps by a wrong way, many of them Are deleted by Martin one of SO modirators, this deleted user was one of them but I deleted rapidly, I don't know martin deleted it before system, In this current one-year suspension period, I thought deeply to my faults and found a SO friend, he told me reps are gamification to us for motivation, to learn an teach, so I decided to change my personality, I wanna be gentle and loyal. — AmerllicA 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by AmerllicA
@CodyGray, Now I wanna to re-link my 15 posts of deleted user to my current account. and also I have new question, is it possible to re-link all of my sockpuppet accounts' posts to my current account? — AmerllicA 1 min ago
 
12:48 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Martin James
You are joking now, yes? — Martin James 1 min ago
 
1:34 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by John Montgomery
 
1:46 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by BSMP
I think what we're not getting is why you only want to warn askers to be careful with payment information and not all the other people who will see and use the code from the Q&A later. Or is this feature request more concerned about making sure people don't paste sensitive information into the question itself? If so, can you edit to clarify? — BSMP 43 secs ago
 
2:42 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
No, that is not possible. I cannot even see what would be the point. @AmerllicA — Cody Gray ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Alexei Levenkov
Asking unique question is usually not a problem - do you have something specific in mind as an example (not one of "how to scrap dynamic site", "how to authenticate to …", "how to get page with curl/HttpClient/…", "how to parse HTML with regex"...)? — Alexei Levenkov 5 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Frank Chen
@peterh-ReinstateMonica thank you. I did what the generic robot message said. If this did not resolve your question and ask a new one. so: I just ask what to do if i see a wrong answer, it steered some activity and reflection, hopefully. Baby steps, but not quite the level of reflection required to be able to capture ad-hoc expertise. — Frank Chen 36 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by syre
I have in mind a question about xpath expressions applied to a specific HTML fragment of a commercial website which could be recognized from that fragment — syre 39 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Frank Chen
@FélixGagnon-Grenier maybe that is true in your area of expertise. look up tsql with no answers. You will be treated with question like "How convert wgs 84 to lat/long in SQL Server". I am actually interested in answering that one, but i will need to almost set a side a weekend to answer properly. wgs84 is world geodetic system en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Geodetic_System. so a sphere that you project onto a cylinder. to do this you need docs.microsoft.com/en-us/sql/t-sql/spatial-geometry/…Frank Chen 39 secs ago
 
3:18 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Frank Chen
@Gimby maybe that is true in your area of expertise. look up tsql with no answers. You will be treated with question like "How convert wgs 84 to lat/long in SQL Server". I am actually interested in answering that one, but i will need to almost set a side a weekend to answer properly. wgs84 is world geodetic system en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Geodetic_System. so a sphere that you project onto a cylinder. to do this you need docs.microsoft.com/en-us/sql/t-sql/spatial-geometry/… and then pull back and convert to long lat. not ez — Frank Chen 35 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Alexei Levenkov
There are thousands questions on XPath... Since it sounds like you are not willing to create MCVE (which pretty much guarantees to remove any dependency/links to "commercial website" as side effect of minimizing the data) such SO post will collect downvotes due to lack of effort (and not some sort of police that this post seem to be asking / closed as duplicate) — Alexei Levenkov 1 min ago
 
3:30 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Frank Chen
@Mukyuu the whole point of this question was not about how "I" can go about to earning more point. it's about how "We" as a community can collect untapped wisdom. "I" made it a mission to get more exp, 10 is actually what you need to get started.But I am sure a fair amount of my peers would not bother even to sign up. The injury over the wound is that question end up to be an example of what i am talking about and not a debate on how to resolve it. — Frank Chen 37 secs ago
 
3:48 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Frank Chen
I do believe that there was a limitation on the rep point to answer on hot topic. — Frank Chen 1 min ago
 
4:16 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by syre
Thank you for pointing out the concept of MCVE which I was not familiar with. — syre 1 min ago
 
4:34 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by aroth
@CodyGray "with the important part being "SA", or "attribution required" - It's the BY which requires attribution. And if the license was just CC-BY then that would probably satisfy most proprietary use-cases. However what the SA actually means is "Share Alike", which effectively prohibits proprietary use. Or as Collective Commons puts it, SA means: Licensees may distribute derivative works only under a license identical to the license that governs the original work. (See also copyleft.). — aroth 1 min ago
 
5:30 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by C. Derx
Building own survey webapp is doable for SO, more so since you’re anyways unable to benefit from Qualtrics ootb (API etc.) — C. Derx 57 secs ago
 
5:52 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by AmerllicA
@MartinJames, No at all, the sockpuppet accounts had some useful answers and questions which I wrote them, ok they aren't for community purpose, they were sockpuppet, but the posts are valuable. — AmerllicA 53 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by AmerllicA
@CodyGray, Is this impossibility come from this request illegal or it is impossible because of technical issue? — AmerllicA 19 secs ago
 
6:08 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by ivarni
Question: I see the first question you linked to is tagged nebula. I assume that tag is wrong there and it should be retagged? — ivarni 1 min ago
 
6:18 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by venegr
Unfortunately no. That's another product. See its [tag Wiki] (stackoverflow.com/tags/nebula/info). — venegr 55 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by ivarni
In case I was unclear in my first comment, I'm asking if that question should have the current nebula tag replaced with a new one, not if we should change the existing tag. — ivarni 55 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by ivarni
So you're saying that question should have both the nebula tag and a new nebula-graph tag? If there's some overlap between the two maybe the wiki text should make it more clear what the difference are. — ivarni 2 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by venegr
Sorry I misunderstood your first comment. The two products don't have any overlap between them. And the first question I linked in my question should be retagged as nebula-graph instead of nebula. — venegr 35 secs ago
 
6:54 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by venegr
I agree this question is not that specific. It is kinda like a practice of "answering your own question", which according to some posts (this one and this one) is encouraged here on Stack Overflow, no? Both blog posts were written back in 2012, tho. So I'm curious if that's still effective now? — venegr 59 secs ago
 
7:42 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
Each person only gets to vote one time per post, so the scenario you're describing cannot happen. The only exception would be cases of voting fraud, where someone assembles an army of sockpuppets to vote down a post. This has not happened to you. — Cody Gray ♦ 1 min ago
 
8:02 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ibai
Thx @peterh ... I think there is an excessive "zeal" on this matter and sadly there is no other site with LaTex incorporated in Q&A interface. Why not make an spin-off of SE with the same interface for discussing those not fully clear questions? Why people downvote my question if it is a fair question and not a discussion thread? — Ibai just now
 
 
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9:34 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by gnat
 
10:32 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
What question do you have about your question? Mind you, that question is off-topic for Stack Overflow, despite you getting an answer. — yivi 56 secs ago
 
 
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11:40 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Will
The need for those three operational differences somewhat exposes how suboptimal it is to shoehorn the full spectrum of discussions necessary for community governance of the Q&A site into a Q&A format itself... — Will 1 min ago
 
11:56 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by musefan
@rene: Are you genuinely complaining about somebody being polite to you, or am I missing some sarcasm here? (and FYI in both contexts "dear" = "hello", you wasn't being called "dear") — musefan 22 secs ago
 
12:08 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Michael Kay
I think people come to StackOverflow because they want answers to questions. If you gave them a script of the future, they would say thanks, but no thanks. If all you gave them was help to write their own script of the future, they'd think you were bonkers. — Michael Kay 1 min ago
 
12:50 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by peterh - Reinstate Monica
@Ibai Because the SE does not want it. An alternative site should be created, but it would not have enough visitors, because all of them are now already on the SE. codidact.org is the latest try to spin off. Btw, also wikipedia is a pile of crap: not only that it is painfully single-sided in all argumentable questions, did you ever try to understand anything there? There is also a far worser opinion terror of an inbreed circle, as on the SO. But, citizendium.org, a wikipedia spinoff, died due to the social intertia. No one visitied it. — peterh - Reinstate Monica 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by peterh - Reinstate Monica
@Ibai The ultimate reason, why the SE can spit and laugh into your face, is that you might understand what is going on, and leave them to a better place, but the millions of other readers won't. The SE does not even need to make things better. — peterh - Reinstate Monica 16 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Mat
@venegr: answering your own question is still encouraged, as long as the question itself meets all the usual requirements - there are no special dispensations for self-answered questions. As for "too broad": we still have "needs more focus", which is essentially equivalent. — Mat 14 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ibai
Uhhhh ... you are defecating very high! XD and strong! — Ibai 1 min ago
 
1:12 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
@musefan I'm complaining about how I'm addressed. I didn't say it wasn't polite, just that I don;t appreciate it. Whether users take note note of that and adjust when they address me is up to them. — rene 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Klors
It's not clear to me what a "script of the future" is. Especially given the site's topic, is it in the programming sense, or the writing/directorial sense, or some play on words of both that doesn't need to be there and is just trying to be clever? — Klors 1 min ago
 
1:28 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by musefan
@rene: It just seems unnecessarily hostile. Could you not just ignore the words you don't like and focus on the rest of the comment? I genuinely don't understand how you can take something like that and turn it into a personal offence? — musefan 47 secs ago
 
1:44 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
@musefan noted, thanks for your feedback, I'll see if I can apply that in the future. — rene 30 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dave Newton
@HovercraftFullOfEels I, OTOH, pop up rather frequently, because I often voice my frustration with poor questions, answers, and attitude--but almost never first. But that isn't part of the algorithm; we're not allowed to voice our frustration in a way that might trigger someone. — Dave Newton 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by xdtTransform
@musefann there is a name for this move where you request for someone to "calm down" and where you wrap your sentence in a familiar but polite way. Rene just stated some limit. You may notice form comments on rene post that he did not care. — xdtTransform 36 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dave Newton
I have also wanted this feature, which is not served by favoriting. — Dave Newton 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jean-François Fabre
Dave, I don't remember deleting any of your comments, no. Rest assured! — Jean-François Fabre ♦ 45 secs ago
 
2:24 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Robert Harvey
How polite was your mod message response? When I was a mod, most of these responses were fairly vile nonsense, and so I tended not to pay much attention to them. — Robert Harvey 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by musefan
@xdtTransform: Maybe, but to me the OP clearly isn't fluent in English and correct grammar (although fairly decent). I think it's obvious enough that we should apply a bit of common sense and not take everything as literally as it may sound. And still: how can one get offended by a nobody on the internet, Even if someone said "shut up you stupid f**** c***". So what, I don't know them, doesn't bother me, move on. I just honestly struggle to understand how people take offence in these situations, even though there are lots or people that seem to get offended, it still baffles me. — musefan 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
@musefan: Calling someone online, whom you don't know "dear" or "comrade" can come across as tacky or sarcastic. Best just to keep the communication factual. — Cerbrus 7 secs ago
 
2:42 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by xdtTransform
@musefan, Humm I don't know where you draw the line? " I suggest you scroll down and read the first and third comment on the answer below. If nothing ring the bell I will start to assume bad faith. Rene clearly did not wan't to feed the troll. But you felt for it. — xdtTransform 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by musefan
@Cerbrus: But why can't it come across as genuine, polite or friendly? The interpretation is there for the choosing, why not just give the benefit of the doubt and pick the nice one? Why choose to be offended, when you could just choose the easy "non-hostile" path? — musefan 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by musefan
@xdtTransform: The answer came after these comments, so not really applicable to my initial query about why rene got offended. I can see some of the answer comments seem to drag on a bit, but there is clearly a desire to understand the system from the OP. Doesn't really help when nobody gives him a straight answer, natural he will keep asking the same question if people dodge it. — musefan 48 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
@musefan: Because of cultural differences. For reference, my personal first instinct when someone is too nice to me, is to push back. "You don't know me, I'm not your friend. What do you want from me?!" It's not a choice, it's part of the culture I live in. I'm not offended, but I certainly don't like it. — Cerbrus 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by xdtTransform
@musefan, Because Op use nomination that were stated as prohibed . Stalk to find the user real name . put it in bold markup then follow up with a chain of I just mean call you dear friend, dear dude or dear buddy,. Then use the classic "If you got upset, I apologize". I don't know if im getting troll to .. — xdtTransform 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by musefan
@xdtTransform: Then use the classic "If you got upset, I apologize" ...so people aren't even allowed to apologise anymore? — musefan 25 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by xdtTransform
19:57<20:30<21:28. So now I have my answer. — xdtTransform 31 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
@musefan: The first comment here already answers it... — Cerbrus 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by musefan
@Cerbrus: SE wouldn't even exist if people were not nice. Nobody is getting paid. People answer questions because they are nice. And if you mention cultural differences, you are implying that your culture (don't accept nice) is correct, and Op culture (be polite) is not acceptable. If you wan't to use cultural differences you have to accept others too. — musefan 10 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
@musefan: There's being "nice" and there's "not being rude". SE depends on users being factual, them "not being rude". Excessive pleasantries are noise, and generally better left out. "If you got upset, I apologize" is the non-apology. Read the wiki article. — Cerbrus 38 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by musefan
@Cerbrus: What indication is there of a non-apology? OP clearly was explaining that no offence was intended and he was sorry if you did course offence. Can you suggest what wording you would accept as a valid apology in this case? — musefan 43 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by musefan
@Cerbrus: A comment saying "that offends me" is also non-factual noise. But you seem to pick and choose which noise suits your point of view. My whole point in the first place was why not just ignore the "noise"? — musefan 22 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
@musefan: Where did anybody say they're offended? You're the only one that claims anyone is offended, here. — Cerbrus 38 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
@musefan: I'm not a native English speaker. Nor is rene, so that argument doesn't hold ground. — Cerbrus 53 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by musefan
@Cerbrus: *"If you got upset, I apologize" is just a clumsy way to say "I didn't mean to offend you, but if I did, then I apologise for it". Not the same as "Oh, I'm sooo sorry that you decided to be offended by my non-insult". There is no other evidence in the context that suggests it wasn't a genuine apology. Like I said, you have to give some leeway for non-English speakers. Like you said "different culture" and all that... — musefan 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by xdtTransform
Dear brother MuseFan, Please keep calm.If dear or brother disturb you can I call you lover. Cause i only have love for you. And Im very gentle.I just mean call you dear friend, dear dude or dear buddy I just mean call you dear friend, dear dude or dear buddy, dear pal, dear lad — xdtTransform 9 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
@musefan: how about next time, instead of calling someone "hostile", you just flag the comment, eh? — Cerbrus 5 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by musefan
@Cerbrus: And not everyone has the same level of experience and knowledge of other languages. You are clearly pretty decent at English, but that's not a reason to assume OP should be the same level. And You've now called me dear and comrade, non of which I appreciate with no other text is not polite. It's blunt. Why not "Please do not use these words as I do not like to be referred to in that way". It opens up the opportunity for a peaceful resolution. — musefan 55 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by musefan
@xdtTransform: I genuinely have no problem with that message. It's useless, as there is no content to acknowledge. So I can just move on from it. If anything I will have a little chuckle at your weird usage of certain words like "love", but I wouldn't reply to let you know that — musefan 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
And rene explained their comment, after which you call it hostile and try to force your point of view on them and others. You could also just accept their explanation of the comment. — Cerbrus 31 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by musefan
@Cerbrus: Because flagging a comment is useless to me. I don't get an answer to any of the questions I have. I don't get to understand "the internet people" better. There is no benefit to me if I flag it. I ask simply for the fact that I have questions I would like to know the answer to. — musefan 2 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
@musefan I'm happy to take this to a chatroom but let's stop commenting here. It has nothing to do with this question and this becomes annoying for the OP as well, if not for other visitors. Just ping me in SOCVR if you're open for chat. And that goes for cerbrus as well. — rene 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ansgar Wiechers
@CodyGray I received one of these, too (over a year ago). But since there was no indication of what the alleged infraction might have been I shrugged it off as unactionable. So I'd agree with j08691 that these notifications are essentially useless. — Ansgar Wiechers 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by musefan
@Cerbrus: Not at all. I am honestly trying to figure out why it was a problem. I am not trying to force any opinion, I am merely stating my opinion and hoping others will be decent enough to discus my question. I call it hostile because to me it sounds that way. Are you telling me I don' get a say in how something sounds to me? But apparently you know best and I am "passive aggressive" simply on the basis that I dare to question your superior point of view. Why can't people just have a intellectual debate of opposing views without getting so defensive? — musefan 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
@musefan: please read that comment you just posted again and consider how it might come across as passive-aggressive. — Cerbrus 45 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by musefan
Sorry @rene. I have lost track of what I was originally trying to discus with you. Too many distractions with these other users trying to speak on your behalf. I only just seen your reply about taking it into consideration. I wasn't trying to tell you what to do, just trying to better understand why it bothered you in the first place. Probably best we just leave it now, I think my original curiosity has long since faded with all this other chat going on. Hopefully next time I ask someone I can get a civil discussion out of it. — musefan just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick A
[ Boson ] New comment posted by musefan
@Cerbrus: Perhaps you should try reading it again, but try to use a clam voice and not an angry one. Then you might better understand what I am saying. I don't bring emotion to the internet, if you apply emotion upon me when reading my messages then you are misunderstanding me for sure. I get that written words are hard to know emotion, and it can be easy to read a certain "trigger word" that makes you switch to "ANGRY VOICE READING", but that doesn't mean that how it was being said. There is no anger in any of my words, try to remember that next time I speak. — musefan 24 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
Basically: it's a wrong answer, but still an answer. Which is more or less the message you got on your declined flag, isn't it? — yivi 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
“Angry voice reading”? That’s not how English works... — Cerbrus 46 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Veljko89
@isherwood you should go and check out interpersonal skill part :D you would just love how many overly sensitive participants there is and mods ban you with certain doze of laugh :D — Veljko89 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
That "generic message" is the decline message. You saw it on the "flags" section of your profile. — yivi 36 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by The Head Rush
I did not get (or haven't yet found) a message about why it was declined. I got a generic message about it having happened when i tried to flag something else. — The Head Rush 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Hans Passant
The flag sat in the review queue for over an hour and a half, nobody was available/wanted to handle the flag. After which a moderator gets it, they always reject a flag on a technically wrong answer. They are not expected to know it is wrong, nor enjoy giving a single flag super-powers. If you need a lengthy explanation in a meta question to explain why it is wrong then you know using a flag is not correct. A simple downvote does wonders. — Hans Passant 1 min ago
 
3:54 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
@Dave: One neat trick to express your frustration with low-quality posts that is guaranteed to never get you in trouble with moderators: downvotes! Also, close/delete votes. — Cody Gray ♦ 27 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by j08691
@AnsgarWiechers Why did you shrug it off if it wasn't useless? — j08691 1 min ago
 
4:08 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by gnat
[ Boson ] New comment posted by gnat
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dave Newton
@CodyGray And I do. And I generally leave a comment as to why. That can escalate quickly, and when I take umbrage, I say so. — Dave Newton 1 min ago
 
4:26 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by The Head Rush
@yivi The notification i received: "Your recent flag was declined - please review it before flagging this post!" Following the review link i get a message saying "declined - a moderator reviewed your flag, but found no evidence to support it." — The Head Rush 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Larnu
If you really disagree with the close reason, edit your question to explain why it isn't a duplicate (don't just say "this isn't aduplicate", that doesn't explain), ping to closer in the comments, vote to reopen. — Larnu 1 min ago
 
4:42 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
"Being Nice" shouldn't stop us from properly moderating site content. Please don't start slinging accusations at people just because you disagree with them. Just explain why the answer doesn't answer the question, cast your vote, and move on. If you feel the question will be ignored and never reopened, bring it up in a relevant chat room for discussion. — Kevin B 33 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Larnu
This isn't even focused enough for the main site. — Larnu 1 min ago
 
5:06 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ethan Field
@TheHeadRush What isn't clear about that message? It was reviewed, they found no evidence that supported that it was not an answer. It doesn't matter if the OP didn't want the solution that was offered, a solution was offered. That fulfilled the requirement that it be an answer because despite it not being what the OP wanted, it was an answer. — Ethan Field 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
Well, it's a pity they didn't choose the other message. I believe it's more informative. Had you received the one I quoted, would you have understood the reasoning behind the decline? Would you have felt adequately informed? — yivi 1 min ago
 
5:22 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by takendarkk
"blocking me from question" You mean you cannot post questions? — takendarkk 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
We need more users in the Good Question Patrol. Enlist today. — yivi 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lena Bru
@Larnu I'm not talking about my question, but one i was going to answer — Lena Bru 9 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by bartonstanley
Is there any way to undo clicking the "requires editing" button? I am new to this and clicked it by mistake. — bartonstanley 11 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by BSMP
I think it's OK to edit someone else's question to explain why it's not a duplicate. You wouldn't be changing the author's intent, just clarifying it. — BSMP 59 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Patrice
@LenaBru well.... whenever someone comes to meta with a complaint like yours.... they either cannot provide any reasonable example, or the examples they send showcase a mismatch in how Stack is used and its intent..... So usually, it turns out the "Good Question Patrol" is right. You're honestly providing nothing new to the discussion, and not even an example. So..... I am not too sure what you're trying to gain here :/. The very fact you seem to equate closure to "not being nice" is a good indication there may be such a mismatch of intent here :/ — Patrice 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Patrice
Without seeing the actual question/dupe combo, it's just conjecture. I won't speak about stuff I don't see. But I will speak about the fact that duplicate closure is intended as a good thing, pointing the OP to the best resource for their question. Is it always perfect? No. That's why it can be corrected if other users agree on it. But to blankly say "don't duplicate close" without anything more is an exercise in futility. — Patrice 20 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lena Bru
I didn't bring an example on purpose, but if you must know, the OP had a number format exception and the "duplicate" was marked "how to get text from a textfield" — Lena Bru 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lena Bru
I did not say "don't duplicate close", i said "read before you close" — Lena Bru 39 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lena Bru
I also did not say it was malicious — Lena Bru 57 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Patrice
so.... you know for a fact ppl didn't read? Cause in my mind it could be any number of things. Maybe it's a misclick? Or it's maybe a genuine technical mistake? Or maybe someone who sees a bit further than you do and there is a reasoning for the dupe? In any case, assuming it's malicious, or done "without reading" is not being helpful to anything, and not even to the discussion at hand.... — Patrice 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Patrice
While you did not use the word malicious, your post is a bit too loaded to not convey that feeling :/. Maybe something you want to edit out if it's not what you wanted to convey. I mean... "PLEASE be nice to newbies" implies we're not..... When moderation has nothing to do with being nice. So it does definitely smells like "old users not being nice, and being mean on purpose". Maybe not what you intended though — Patrice 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Antonio
there never take the time to review applicants profiles — Antonio 6 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Patrice
What's the problem? How is that inappropriate? They got more applicants than they expected. You didn't make the cut. Sad, but nothing inherently wrong there... unless I'm missing something — Patrice 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by peterh - Reinstate Monica
@Ibai I can do that, because they don't read the meta. ;-) Some of them intentionally avoids it. If you would explain to her, that actually her task would be to fix it, she literally would not understand, what are you talking about. But an ordinary mortal won't ever have contact with such people. — peterh - Reinstate Monica 2 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by The Head Rush
@yivi I would not have posted this question had i gotten a message saying "flags should not be used to indicate technical inaccuracies, or an altogether wrong answer." — The Head Rush 38 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Patrice
after a couple of hours? That's..... enough to me? what if they already got the PERFECT candidate, were about to go close the ad, and then you applied? Couldn't they know, with a quick glance, you won't be that PERFECT candidate and say "yeah, sorry but that won't work"? — Patrice 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
I see. Well, I hope that message is used more often then. No harm done anyway. :) — yivi 1 min ago
 
6:28 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dave Newton
Because boilerplate comments are often directly relevant to the downvote reason(s). There are several types of over-and-over again bad questions; they all need the same information. — Dave Newton 1 min ago
 
7:26 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Gander
I moderate the questions. There is a question that I think needs only a little improvement to make it more readable. I choose "Requires editing". As it turns out, 4 other people chose this option or "Looks OK". After a few hours, someone said that this question is rubbish. No matter who is right, he has higher authority, so we get banned. If I had a warning, it would be understandable. But ban? Seriously? This is an abuse of power. — Gander 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
"And I generally leave a comment as to why. That can escalate quickly..." Don't we know it. Perhaps there's a lesson here? You are free to leave a comment criticizing or praising the answer, but such comments should never divulge any information about how you have voted. Votes are anonymous by design. If there starts to be speculations or accusations regarding voting, please flag such comments for moderator attention so that we can remove them. — Cody Gray ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cyril
With the understanding of off-topic being more than purely subject matter where on-topic would be objective questions (non-discussion), my inquiry is specific to what appears to be a duplication of Needs details or clarity also appearing as an Off-topic option. If the Off-topic option were to explicitly state "...as this is a discussion piece or is not an objective question targeting a single response" I would be all on board. Do you feel my interpretation an inappropriate assessment of the two mentioned Closing-options? — Cyril 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Mike - SMT
@HansPassant How would I know if it is crap. I only speak English. — Mike - SMT just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Hans Passant
Rule #1, #2 and #3 of migrating questions: don't migrate crap. The decline message is boilerplate. — Hans Passant 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
There is overlap between the different close reasons. Even more so with the current version of the reasons. But the distinction serves so users can pick the a description that better describes their understanding on why the question should be closed. Yes, you could choose "needs details" for a question that lacks code, and in that sense makes "seeks debugging" would be redundant, but there are many questions that lack details and are yet they are not questions that are seeking debugging help. — yivi 2 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cyril
Thank you for the follow-up, and I can understand the points you make. Specific to the question in my post, "Are closing-options still being revisited"? I'd be quite happy to wrap this question up as answered if that is known. — Cyril 23 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Mike - SMT
Also I could have sworn I posted this on meta... — Mike - SMT 34 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
They have been changed quite recently. I imagine reviewing it's never "done", and in the same way they were changed in the past they could be changed in the future. — yivi 45 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Hans Passant
If you don't know then you can leave it up to a moderator to make the call. They did. — Hans Passant 24 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
You did post this on Meta. — Cody Gray ♦ 15 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Mike - SMT
@HansPassant they made the call after the post was updated to English. That is why I am trying to figure out what to to about the declined flag as I flagged it before it was updated. — Mike - SMT 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ariel
I better put my location back to Cuba, if Mars counts as a location, I think everything is valid in the location field — Ariel 17 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Mike - SMT
@CodyGray oh lol I didnt see the meta in the logo. Just the Stack Overflow part of the logo.. This site looks like SO and not Meta so I got confused.. — Mike - SMT 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Mike - SMT
I have read other meta post where the accepted answer said to use the "other reason" option. That is why I use it. — Mike - SMT 28 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jean-Fran&#231;ois Fabre
moderators generally check previous revisions before declining flags. It didn't happen for you, bummer. But no big deal if it happens only once in a while — Jean-François Fabre ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Mike - SMT
Ah... Ok well I will keep that in mind then. I thought it was nicer to migrate and let the other site decide on its value. — Mike - SMT 14 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
Ah, yeah. UI confusion. There are two different "other" options. One is under close -> off-topic because... -> other. The other is under flag -> in need of moderator intervention. — Cody Gray ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
Therefore, in the case of questions not written in English, better to close as "unclear" or "off-topic", rather than to migrate. — Cody Gray ♦ 13 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
@Mike That's a separate point, but also an important one to address. Yivi has tried to cover it in his answer. You yourself admitted you have no way of knowing if the question is good, because you can't read/understand it. Well, put yourself in the mod's position: we can't, either. So we don't want to be the ones who risk migrating a bad question that we couldn't read/understand to another site. Other sites don't want to be SO's garbage dumps. As was pointed out in the comments, the crass but nevertheless golden rule of migration is "don't migrate crap". If you can't understand it, it's crap. — Cody Gray ♦ 51 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Mike - SMT
@yivi My 1st sentence did not need to be revised. It is grammatically correct. Also the tag feature request is also valid as I did ask if a feature might be added for disputing declined flags. — Mike - SMT 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Mike - SMT
Well if it is up to change if a mod can read the language then migrations for language should probably have their own tag. I think that is a flaw in the way this kind of flag is handled. All depends on if the mod can read the language whether or not it gets moved to the correct stack site... Seams kinda of arbitrary. — Mike - SMT 23 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
Sorry it bothered you. It wasn't my intention. I was just tried to make it easier to understand (in my personal opinion), but it's of course your post and you know best. I don't see a "feature" being requested in your question, but keep the tag if you want. — yivi 6 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Mike - SMT
@yivi "would it be a good idea to add a way to dispute declined flags". It does not bother me I just don't see the point in changing it as the sentence is accurate. I kept the other edit you made. — Mike - SMT 35 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Mike - SMT
Well even with that being the case I the main question of my post is still "What can be done about a flag that is declined even though it was valid at the time the flag was submitted?". My specific issue aside this kind of issue does come op on flags. So is there anything one can do to keep the declined count down so you don't get flag-banned? — Mike - SMT 13 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
But your flag was not valid at the time it was raised. Maybe you want to look for a valid example to better describe the issue, otherwise the question lends itself to confusion, in my opinion. — yivi 57 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Mike - SMT
Any flag that is declined after a post was edited fixing the reason it was flag. Be it language or any other reason for flagging. If the OP or someone else edits the post fixing the issue it was flagged for then your flag becomes invalid. As @Jean-FrançoisFabre pointed out it appears not all mod reviewers check previous revisions before making a decision on the flag. — Mike - SMT just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
I know. But the specific example you picked, sadly, doesn't fit the case. A moderator that reviewed the history of the post would have had reason to decline as well. So by using an invalid example you distract from point you want to make. — yivi 53 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Mike - SMT
At the time of posting I thought my reason was valid. Knowing now after answers have been posted that this situation may not be strictly valid in my case doesn't change the core of the question. — Mike - SMT 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
Of course you thought it was valid to raise the flag. I imagine the vast majority of declined flags are raised in good faith, because the flagger believes they are raising the correct flag. But you were wrong, it was not a valid flag. And as using a wrong example to illustrate your question, you distract and confuse from your "core" question. As demonstrated by the two answers you got. Bot are dealing with the specific flag and the decline reason, and not with the feature you appear to want to discuss. — yivi just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Mike - SMT
Well seeing that this was the only flag I have made that I felt this situation applied then I cannot provide another example. I have seen enough over the past 2 years to be sure there are many more flags that fall into this kind of situation but I cannot produce another one. So I guess this post must die :D — Mike - SMT 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Mike - SMT
@CindyMeister I have done that in the past. I thought it would just be a simple matter to flag for migration and move on but I am learning that the rules for migration are somewhat strict so I will just not flat for that anymore. — Mike - SMT 8 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cindy Meister
On the point about whether the question should be moved so that the person asking gets an answer: It would be possible to post a comment pointing the user to the site with the correct language - let them take care of posting it where it ought to be. — Cindy Meister 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Mike - SMT
I have accepted your answer in the context of my situation. I still would like to see a way to dispute declined flags or a way of declining a flag that does not result in a declined count on ones profile. My example may not have been as valid as I thought at first however the concept of the situation can still apply to other flags. — Mike - SMT 23 secs ago
 
9:10 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dan is Fiddling by Firelight
A flag ban requires >10 flags in the past week, >25% of which have been declined, and can last a maximum of a week So unless you've only just started and your 41 flags on main are from the last month or so you're well below the danger threshold. meta.stackexchange.com/questions/173878/…Dan is Fiddling by Firelight 2 mins ago
 
9:42 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Mike - SMT
@DanisFiddlingbyFirelight good to know. Thanks for the details. — Mike - SMT 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dan is Fiddling by Firelight
@Mike-SMT If there's an appropriate non-english SO you can do some basic sanity checking, ie does it have a reasonable looking code sample, and does google translate offer something that is at least half-way decent for the question text; and then go to the other sites chat and ask if the question's OK. If you get a positive response there, than that information can be used to justify migration on SO. If that sounds like too much work, just close and move on. — Dan is Fiddling by Firelight 20 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Davy M
This is covered by How do I deal with non-English content?, though since it's just hidden on Meta instead of located in the help center or flag description, I made a feature request a while ago to get "in another language" added to the description on Unclear what you are Asking so that people like you wouldn't get confused on which flag to use. Update description on Unclear what you are Asking to include flagging questions written in another language?Davy M 1 min ago
 
 
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11:08 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yhyrcanus
This was brought up in the recent blogpost as a feature they are looking to implement (see the "Increase user engagement" section). stackoverflow.blog/2020/02/25/…yhyrcanus 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Juice
I was able to replicate both issues. I've opened a bug reports with the dev team. — Juice ♦ 1 min ago
 
11:32 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by tkruse
For me the guidance of how to write questions on the right overflows the page footer. — tkruse 23 secs ago
 
11:52 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Makoto
Wasn't this meant to be for developers, though? When did this pivot happened? (Not being accusatory here, I genuinely want to know. I haven't used the product outside of two very bad experiences and have largely tuned it out since 2015.) — Makoto 46 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Juice
@Makoto I've worked here for almost seven years and we've always allowed developer adjacent jobs. DevOps, IT, CTO, Product Managers, etc. It's primarily for developer jobs but it's never been it's sole function. — Juice ♦ 1 min ago
 

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