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12:11 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by zcoop98
 
12:29 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Beta
@jpmc26: No, I did not misunderstand. If the student points to the old photo and says "take that down, that person is dead", the administrator can shrug and say "that's not a reason to take a picture down. We have lots of pictures of dead former students and staff on the walls, an plenty of pictures of living people who now find their old pictures embarrassing. People who really dislike their old photos can ask us to remove them, but we won't remove a picture on the chance that someone might not like it any more." — Beta 1 min ago
 
12:41 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by πάντα ῥεῖ
Hi Uzair Ali, welcome to Meta! I'm not sure which search brought you here but the problem you describe will not be answered on this specific site. To get an answer from users that have the expertise about the topic of your question you'll have to find and then re-post on the proper site. Check How do I ask a good question and What is on topic on the target site to make sure your post is in good shape. Your question is definitely off-topic on Meta and is better deleted here. — πάντα ῥεῖ 7 secs ago
 
1:27 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by CertainPerformance
The question was closed, and the suggested edit did not make the question re-openable, so approving such an edit (which is also trivial) bumps it into the reopen queue, resulting in more pain for reviewers who have to keep the question closed. But the site UI doesn't make this recommended course of action clear. Doubtful that suspension is warranted, though. — CertainPerformance 56 secs ago
 
1:39 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by CertainPerformance
The question does not look entirely clear to me. Maybe OP's referring to putting 10 such elements next to each other in the DOM, but I'm not completely sure, and it seems he hasn't come back to clarify anything since asking yesterday, so I'd probably have VTC'd. But you're right that it still just seems like a difference of opinion, others like you might interpret it differently. — CertainPerformance 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Elijah Mock
Yes, and because I think it is a waste to send data that is not seen/used, but you make a good point about searching. — Elijah Mock 10 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user4642212
This makes Ctrl+F search on a page a bit harder. Is your feature request mainly about reducing bandwidth? — user4642212 1 min ago
 
2:15 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by charlietfl
"I feel that most people don't..." Based on what evidence? More current answers on older posts sometimes have more modern approaches that weren't available at the time the original post and answers were created — charlietfl 55 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Heretic Monkey
At the very least it requires some editing (spaces before punctuation could be removed, in English we use a colon alone, not with a hyphen following; the formatting of the HTML could be improved, "but it doesn't worked" is not grammatically correct)... — Heretic Monkey 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by BSMP
What was unclear about the question in the comments from one of the close voters? — BSMP 1 min ago
 
2:43 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by reirab
This is really the better answer, IMO. Leave the original, but also include an English translation whenever possible. This has both the advantages of being able to look up the original error message text (where exact text is often very helpful) as well as making the meaning of the error message accessible to everyone on the site, not just those who speak the particular language in question. There's really no downside to following this answer's advice. — reirab just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Michael Welch
@HereticMonkey I agree some editing is required. But I'm leery of that button since I've gotten my hand slapped for that one before. Like a 2 week suspension. — Michael Welch 18 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Michael Welch
It looks like someone took pity on me and reversed the decision, so thanks to whomever did that. I have access to the queues again. — Michael Welch 1 min ago
 
3:09 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Victor Stafusa
@Braiam I already saw a lot of half-baken softwares giving me error messages in Chinese, French, Russian, Czech, Japanese and languages which I have no idea what they are. Don't assume that there will be a magic flag easily reachable somewhere that will translate everything properly. Most of times there isn't any. And even if there is, I'm already very pissed off from errors featuring broken translations that sound as "all your base are belong to us" (Microsoft is a specialist in giving me that), so I wouldn't rely on that. — Victor Stafusa 26 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Victor Stafusa
I already saw a lot of half-baken softwares giving me error messages in Chinese, French, Russian, Czech, Japanese and languages which I have no idea what they are. Don't assume that there will be a magic flag easily reachable somewhere that will translate everything properly. Most of times there isn't any. And even if there is, I'm already very pissed off from errors featuring broken translations that sound as "all your base are belong to us" (Microsoft is a specialist in giving me that), so I wouldn't rely on that. — Victor Stafusa 47 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ryan M
On top of what @CertainPerformance said, that particular question (which asks, with no detail, how to build a web app using JavaScript) is also completely unsalvageable. No amount of editing can fix it, and that edit doesn't even attempt to fix anything meaningful, just capitalizes some "i"s and fixes a mistake in the Markdown usage. A script could have made a more useful edit, because it doesn't even fix all the capitalization issues: JavaScript is still lowercase. All of that said: the guidance on approving trivial improvements is unclear, and edits sending posts to reopen review is bad. — Ryan M 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by 1201ProgramAlarm
There is already several forms of "lazy load", like only 20 answers shown at a time, or not all comments on Qs and As shown unless asked for. And I'm not fond of lazy loading the way you want, because that small page just keeps growing and growing (a 5 minute read turns into 30), and sometimes stuff starts to move around. — 1201ProgramAlarm 11 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Andrew T.
That suggested edit might be considered as turd-polishing... — Andrew T. 8 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Security Hound
"The edit was accepted as approved the same day I reviewed it, but then I received a suspension the following day for suggesting the edit be accepted." - Just because the edit was approved does not mean it should have been approved or you were the only user to be suspended for approving the edit. What actually happened is somebody decided to improve the edit, this person had enough reputation to propose edits without a review process, and thus the edit was approved. The changes to that particular question did not improve it to a point so it could be answered. — Security Hound 23 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Security Hound
I would like to add the fact, review suspensions, are rarely over the first mistake. — Security Hound 1 min ago
 
3:51 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Paul
Please find a way to help others (humans?) that is more uplifting than enslaving yourself to the badly-written review queue AI. — Paul 1 min ago
 
4:11 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by John
When a user with edit privileges that don't require going through the approval process "improves" an existing edit, as has happened with this question, the original edit is automatically approved. — John 18 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Alexei Levenkov
"I propose lazy loading posts instead of serving all of them up on load to reduce latency on both the client and server" - I would assume SO can accept funding for such alternative implementation... Note that since search engine traffic is critical for SO I doubt they have an option to abandon server side rendering - so basically you are asking for 2 rendering implementations based on a totally questionable claim that "pages using JavaScript and multiple calls to servers are consistently faster on all devices than cacheable HTML+CSS only rendering". — Alexei Levenkov 1 min ago
 
4:43 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Beni Cherniavsky-Paskin
Maybe edits that are not by original author should not bump closed questions? IIUC editors should not change questions and answers meaning anyway, only clarify their presentation, so how would it affect decision to reopen? — Beni Cherniavsky-Paskin 40 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by PM 2Ring
Also note that only the first edit of a closed post sends it to the reopen review queue (that includes edits that are made before the post is closed but approved after it's closed). So if you make or approve such an edit you are robbing the OP of their chance to fix it before it gets reviewed. Of course, in this particular case the OP is highly unlikely to edit the post into an acceptable state, and performing cosmetic edits on it is just wasting the time & energy of the editor, the people in the edit approval queue, and the people in the reopen review queue. — PM 2Ring 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by D. SM
I'm sure this answer simply tries to shed light on the rules/operation of the site, but rejecting someone's work - where there is no issue with said work - because the volunteer contributor could have worked more is a great way to lose contributors once they understand how the site treats them. — D. SM 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by bad_coder
@D.SM I did not say that, if I see a suggested edit that needs improvement I will improve it. That way if the user who suggested the edit cares to notice he'll be shown what should have been done. I'll reject a suggestion that I improve only if it introduces serious mistakes or is extreme low effort (eg under 1 minute) compared to what was actually needed to overhaul the post. — bad_coder 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by D. SM
I understand, my comment was aimed at the way the site operates (or is managed by the people in charge) in general. — D. SM 11 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by jpmc26
@Beta Ah, I see what you're saying. If they regard their old identity as a separate person who is truly dead, then they forfeit the right to control the old photo. In other words, they can't have it both ways. — jpmc26 1 min ago
 
 
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7:05 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
Wait, you detected latency when loading that page? How much was it? And how much was it on a "small" page? — rene 55 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Adriaan
@user253751 if the rest of the post was originally in English (thus the OP demonstrated their skill) I think a machine translation verified by someone knowledgable in the programming language (who thus knows how such errors should look like) would be good. I'm hesitant with e.g. native Spanish speakers translating Spanish errors for code languages they don't know, since keywords are often very specific. An SME being fluent in the natural language of the error would of course be the best possible option. — Adriaan 1 min ago
 
7:25 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by poke
@Braiam If the question starts with a localized error (because OP wasn’t able to get an English error message), there are two options I see: (1) The error is a common one that is already answered elsewhere; so the person that recognizes the localized error can vote as duplicate. (2) The error is something new that wasn’t answered before; the person answering is probably able to provide the English error message then, which can be edited into the question, making the question “broadly applicable”. — poke 21 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Discrete lizard
I think sending out emails en masse or the orange diamond notification aren't ideal for the feedback moments. I think the intended purpose of asking the moderators for feedback is not really to give it a stamp of approval, but rather a way to avoid some errors in either the proposal itself or its communication. As such, not all mods need to be informed and I think mods may decide this is not worth their time. Maybe a better idea would be to have a mailing list or something for this particular purpose, such that only the mods interested in providing feedback are notified. — Discrete lizard 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zoe
you actually don't need an and at all for duplicate:no. — Zoe 25 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zoe
Eh, this is search being dumb. On-site search always has been complete and utter trash. If you remove duplicate:0 and from the second search, keep parentheses, you'll notice that it searches for the string literal [c++] and not the tag. Far from all questions tagged C++ have version tags. duplicate:no and [c++] or [c++11] or [c++17] or [c++14] or [c++20] or [c++98] or [c++03] works, although it makes no logical sense — Zoe 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ranoiaetep
@Zoe Ah, I see. Would you mind to put that down as an answer so I can mark it as accepted? Thank you! — Ranoiaetep 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by einpoklum
@AsteroidsWithWings: Can you explain why my greeting is inappropriate? If you just feel it's unnecessary, then please just let it stay. — einpoklum 50 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Scratte
Do you mean some program that goes to every link posted to check if they are alive? And commenting if they're not? — Scratte 35 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
Do you have an idea how many links are published all around the site? That's a lot of crawling. Also, many times a link will be "dead" and still returns 200, or it will be dead only temporarily, making any kind of automatic crawling much less effective. — yivi 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ranoiaetep
@Zoe Apparently, and is not required for any searches, tags can be concatenated to each other without spaces, but they have to have a ` `(space) go before them if there's anything other than a tag before them — Ranoiaetep 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Scratte
@AsteroidsWithWings Or, if you feel the greeting should be removed, you should show some consistency and remove the greeting from the Question too, no? This is meta though, and I think there's value in both of them. — Scratte 15 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by MisterMiyagi
Consider that links might become inappropriate even if they are technically perfectly fine. For example, links to documentation might become logically dead if the content is updated, removing relevant parts or moving them to another page. — MisterMiyagi 53 secs ago
 
7:59 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by 41686d6564
Most of the time, broken links are fixed by someone other than the author. I fix broken links in answers that I come across all the time. Anyone with editing privilege can take care of this (users <2K can still suggest an edit), so, the original poster doesn't really have to be involved. — 41686d6564 47 secs ago
 
 
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9:01 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Asteroids With Wings
"Greetings" have never been appropriate in an answer, as you know full well, and half of yours is actually an attack on company staff. None of that is relevant or pertinent or appropriate and I really shouldn't have to explain that to you. — Asteroids With Wings 47 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Asteroids With Wings
@Scratte There's value in attacking people? Wow, learn something new every day I guess... — Asteroids With Wings 2 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by einpoklum
@AsteroidsWithWings: "Greetings have never been appropriate in an answer" <- that's true for regular-site posts, not for meta. Anyway, I understand your position on what I wrote, but what you should have done, in my opinion, is comment on it rather than delete what I said. With respect - I'm reverting. — einpoklum 9 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Mike Brockington
@Steve by that same logic, someone searching for an answer is much better served by the original error message being shown here, than a translation, particularly if the translation is different to how the searcher would translate. — Mike Brockington 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lankymart
@TylerH Sorry but regardless of where an error is thrown and whether it is crafted in code or not has no bearing on the fact that when it is thrown it is an output not code. Where it originates doesn't dictate whether it is code or not, it's simply an error message output the mechanism that throws it is the code. — Lankymart 1 min ago
 
9:39 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Scratte
Translating the error will likely not produce the exact error message that a different language pack would throw. If I translate my error to the best of my ability and end up with "ListOverTheLineError", there's noway for anyone to find it looking through the JavaDoc or the Java SE source files. 2/2 — Scratte 8 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Scratte
@Lankymart I think the error message is part of the code. Finding what part of the code threw the error is harder (if not impossible), if you do not know the error exact message. Figuring out what message is in the code when using a different language pack is probably not feasible if one doesn't even know why there is an error in the first place. 1/2 — Scratte 18 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Voo
@Chris Again, it's not about your exceptions, it's about system exceptions being localized. If I understand you correctly you're accessing undocumented internal fields of Exceptions to get to the resource string? Well I wouldn't call that good engineering (although there are workarounds to make this work), but much worse: it also doesn't work for all those exceptions that only store the translated text because a lower-level component already translated them (I can think of several examples there). — Voo 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Quentin
@No.The.Hi — I refer you to the first and last paragraphs of this answer. — Quentin 39 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by No.The.Hi
it doesn't run the PHP code, just showing. I want to running code like the js code in question! — No.The.Hi 57 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by RiggsFolly
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Quentin
Probably because the cost / value ratio is poor. — Quentin 43 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by No.The.Hi
why SO does not add this feature? — No.The.Hi 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by No.The.Hi
ok, thanks man :) — No.The.Hi 1 min ago
 
10:13 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Asteroids With Wings
Then, with respect, I'm flagging. — Asteroids With Wings 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by einpoklum
@AsteroidsWithWings: That's a perfectly fair thing to do. — einpoklum just now
 
10:29 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Asteroids With Wings
@einpoklum Thank you! — Asteroids With Wings 1 min ago
 
10:39 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lankymart
@Scratte What are you smoking??, an error message is not code, don't know how to be any clearer. Locating where an error is thrown is not the error message itself and has no bearing on how to display the output of an error message. — Lankymart 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Scratte
@Lankymart It has a bearing if I want to locate it. Then I search for the message in the code itself, or in a properties files or table, and then I backtrack it. It's like isolating where a button or an input field in a user interface is. I start with the text. I find it to be very efficient.. — Scratte 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick
@Scratte That's very convenient... if you control the entire codebase and all libraries used, good luck finding the source of an Automation Error in VBA like that — Nick 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Adriaan
What is your proposed solution for Stack Overflow. So within a company, sure, do whatever the boss tells you to do. But here on Stack Overflow, and for this question specifically, what do you propose that SO does with non-English error messages, given that we require at least the surrounding text in the post to be English? This post, as it currently stands, has barely any relation to the question posed. — Adriaan 15 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Scratte
@Nick I do not need to control it, just have access. I'm not sure what you're arguing here. Should users not include error messages because there's a subset of frameworks that do not give developers access to view their code base? — Scratte 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick
@Scratte No, just that having an error message doesn't provide any guarantee that you'll be able to find where the error occurred, VBA automation errors full error body can be as little as "Automation Error - Unspecified Error", no stack trace, no line number, nothing, so referring to errors as code is unhelpful — Nick 1 min ago
 
11:27 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Michael Welch
Thanks @Alexei. This gives me a little more to go on. — Michael Welch 31 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Braiam
@VictorStafusa Those errors probably don't come from the compiler/interpreter/etc. but from the programmer itself. Those aren't on topic for SO anyways. Otherwise, do a list of software that is uniquely used in software development that doesn't include error messages in either english or some kind of error code. — Braiam 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Braiam
@poke again, I'm shooting myself in the foot failing to do so in the first place. It's on the best interest of the asker to provide the english version of the message anyways. — Braiam 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Braiam
@VictorStafusa as I said in another comment, said software is unlikely to be exclusively in software development. — Braiam 1 min ago
 
12:09 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by ouflak
For me, I'd rather they keep it in the original language. For German in particular in my case, I've got a way better shot at understanding what the error is than if it's translated by somebody whose English might not be that strong. Some of these messages are hard enough to figure out in their original language! Going through a potentially questionalbe translation...? — ouflak 12 secs ago
 
12:59 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Sean
Thanks for your response. I've modified the question and I'm curious to get your thoughts. — Sean 52 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Sean
Thanks for your response. I've modified the question and I'm curious to get your thoughts. — Sean 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Heretic Monkey
@D.SM What about the volunteer contributors who review those suggested edits? Is their time not appreciated? — Heretic Monkey 20 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Sean
@HereticMonkey apparently not, since I was suspended for following instructions. — Sean 32 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Michael Welch
Your comment that the only answer to this is "not possible" is not very useful to others is helpful. — Michael Welch 35 secs ago
 
1:19 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Erik A
99% sure that's a duplicate, I'd either skip and let someone knowledgeable on the tag judge that one, or do a thorough search for duplicates then vote to close. How do I break out of a loop in Bash is a good question that's useful for other people as well, I just can't imagine it hasn't been asked before. — Erik A 59 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Michael Welch
Thanks @ErikA that is a very useful comment and something I certainly didn't even consider. — Michael Welch 16 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Michael Welch
Could anyone explain the down votes on this question? Without getting live feedback from someone how is anyone supposed to learn from their mistakes? This site is just brutal at times. Is that how we should be as triage reviewers? Is that the lesson I should learn. If in doubt clobber people? Yes, I've read the guidelines: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/295650/… but it's not the same thing as actually getting feedback particular to your situation. — Michael Welch 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Agustin Barrachina
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
What about the help entry for edits, where it says "Tiny, trivial edits are discouraged - try to make the post significantly better when you edit, correcting all problems that you observe."? Someone who review suggested edits is supposedly familiarized with what a good edit is, right? — yivi 56 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user253751
@Adriaan I think errors are usually recognizable enough that you can tell if a keyword is wrong. E.g. if the translated error says "wrong kind: had int, expected string" someone experienced with the programming language should know that the english one says "invalid type: got int, expected string" — user253751 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Bogdan Stăncescu
"If I am browsing questions to answer, and I see a question with -1, -2 or -3, then I am less likely to look at it. This is good." I'm going to analyze that last axiomatic statement: "This is good." If we take "goodness" as a scale from -100 to +100, that "goodness" has PRECISELY the same numeric value as the justification for that -1, -2, or -3. If the reason for the -1 is just a whim, a misunderstanding, or pure incompetence, then the justification for that -1 lives in the negative spectrum – and in that case, no, it's not "good" that you're less likely to look at that question. — Bogdan Stăncescu 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Scratte
This is my understanding of how it really works with reviews: The trick is not to apply your own judgement on a post when you review. The trick is to apply the judgement of others and knowing when a post will get closed and when it will be allowed to stay open. When you misjudge that, you're likely to get suspended. The rules set out in the help center are not to be interpreted as rules, but merely guidelines and anyone can close any post if their opinion is that it should be closed.. basically in time, you'll be able to predict the future :) — Scratte 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Scratte
Kindly note that voting on meta is a little different. Votes can be agreement/disagreement. But also if someone things you could have worked it our by reading other posts, you may get downvotes, so that's sort like voting on main. — Scratte 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
Your edit to the question invalidated the existing answers. That's not polite to do. Better post a new question. — yivi 52 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Michael Welch
Thanks @Scratte It's just frustrating that on a Q&A site there's no way to Q&A about things like this. I get it. People are busy they don't want to have to explain to every single person who got suspended why they got suspended. And they don't want to see the same "Why did I get suspended?" questions over and over again. But as I've observed from myself and others in meta: it's really frustrating when it happens to you and you have no one to discuss it with, apparently. I thank the commenters and Alexei for taking the time to help me because it really did help. — Michael Welch 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Michael Welch
Perhaps before gaining access to triage queues, there should be a trial period. Or a series of test questions you need to get right. Say 100? I think that'd be a pretty good sample size to see if you get the rules. — Michael Welch 27 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Michael Welch
Perhaps they need to make the "Are you paying attention?" tests a little more subtle with feedback to help you. 90% of the time its an obvious spam. 10% of the time its a question from someone with 200k reputation and 20 gold badges and obviously it Looks OK. If we picked some questions in the middle people could maybe learn from the "are you paying attention" tests. Maybe instead of just "are you paying attention" there should be "do you really know the rules?" tests. — Michael Welch 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TylerH
@Lankymart I'm thinking of, specifically, things like <asp:label> that you use as an error message you display dynamically. It's output but it's 100% generated based on code/verbiage you wrote. Contrast this with a server/runtime error that you get that isn't something you intended/caused to show up. And even in those cases, you see a combination of prose and quoted code, e.g. i.stack.imgur.com/iNRoW.pngTylerH 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lankymart
@TylerH Yes, but something like <asp:label> in an error message is never localised anyway, that is always <asp:label>? As for the screenshot, that is error messages "containing code". — Lankymart 36 secs ago
 
2:03 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Scratte
There are very fine idea, but they work from a premise that there really are rules that apply for all cases. There isn't. It only appears as though there are these rules. That's what I'm trying to tell you. A Question that I find perfectly clear can be unclear to another user. If that other users happens to be able to suspend me, I'll get suspended for not raising a flag on the post.. I've managed to get through 3000 reviews with only 2 suspensions merely because I learned to not just read the posts, but to have an idea of where the post was headed even if I strongly disagreed with it. — Scratte 10 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Scratte
I've applied Skip in such cases (unless I was willing to really make a point), and I think I've Skipped 9 out of 10 posts. — Scratte 16 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by usr2564301
Only a short FYI: "... so rashly be choked off by a single user". That is a privilege given to users proven to have a solid understanding in a certain tag. But of course they also have to work with what you tell them in your question, and if your latest edit indeed makes it clear it's not a straight duplicate, such a user can also one-vote reopen your question (and will usually be happy to do so as well). — usr2564301 34 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by toolic
short fyi2... link to dupehammer... meta.stackexchange.com/tags/dupehammer/infotoolic 38 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Gimby
I think what muddies the water a little is that right off the bat you state that CMake isn't critical. That sets the tone for what is a very open problem domain and a question which reads to be very broad. And I don't even think it is relevant to really mention CMake several times, because what you seem to be looking for is a way that fits into an automated build process to get your desired result; a merged header file without duplication. Tool, script, code, magic spell, whatever. If it can be executed, it's good. I think the non-committed phrasing of the question led to crossed wires. — Gimby 58 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by bad_coder
@Sean I revised my answer, I don't think your edit has invalidated any answers. I would, however, ask you to consider that what I have written (in the narrow scope I addressed) was from the start in accordance with the official guidelines as they are given. I have provided a clear source to that end. So please edit your Q considering that I have said nothing erroneous or outside official policy. — bad_coder 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Elijah
I can say that after many years (Member for 9 years, 9 months) of using this site I am looking for an alternative site to go to strictly because of this stupid Down Vote system. I've on many occasions posted clear questions, with code and links to working demo of what I am trying to solve to get 0 feedback and a down vote. The use of down vote prevents many people who may be able to assist from even looking at a ticket if it has a down vote on it. Three types looking those who want to help, those who need help and the trolls that just want to piss someone off with a down vote. — Elijah 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by bad_coder
@Sean I also think you do well to press the question and not accept any "unwritten rules". For one thing, to start, the post should be reopened - it's much better and well past the purported duplicate target. — bad_coder 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by java-addict301
just upload to github and post a link — java-addict301 57 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Donald Duck
What I usually do when I post non-English screenshots is that I post the screenshot as it is and translate the relevant parts in a paragraph below (example). I guess that should probably apply to error messages too. — Donald Duck 1 min ago
 
2:57 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by zcoop98
"As someone who reads instructions, I shouldn't have to be given a suspension and then ask a post on Meta to learn the secret proper way to fulfill my role as a contributor." Whole-heartedly agree. I don't think you did anything overtly wrong here based on the guidance you were given, and in light of the fact that you were careful to follow those directions you read, and were still penalized, it sure seems clear that there's some kind of disconnect to address in the system here. — zcoop98 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by John M. Wright
unfortunately, I can't seem to reproduce this error. But, it seems to be an issue with GMail not respecting the reply-to email for your account. — John M. Wright 53 secs ago
 
3:13 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by zcoop98
I'd argue that, regarding Scratte's advice, even if it kinda does work that way, I don't believe it should work that way. It should be much more clear and better defined. Obviously not every post will fall neatly into a single review category, but we're clearly in need of improvements. Also wanted to drop a link to the review queue improvement project that's in the works to overhaul the entire experience. — zcoop98 1 min ago
 
3:25 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dan Is Fiddling By Firelight
Without reading anything else I already know the answer to the question in the title is "Yes". Review queues have huge scope for improvement in so many ways. — Dan Is Fiddling By Firelight 23 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ryan
Coincidentally, I just accepted that job offer. I'm glad I persisted when the original email bounced :-) And yeah I'm starting to suspect (as you are) that it was a glitch with Gmail rather than SO since we can clearly see the reply-to populated but then not used as the recipient for the reply. — Ryan 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by D. SM
The UI should also inform editors that the question is closed and unless they make the question reopenable, they shouldn't edit at all. — D. SM just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Donald Duck
In my opinion, the only reason to reject that edit is because the question is closed. If the question were higher quality, I would definitely have approved that edit. I disagree with the moderator suspending you for that, but given that the edit being approved added the question to the reopen queue, I can understand why they suspended you. — Donald Duck 1 min ago
 
3:51 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Sean
@bad_coder I appreciate your edit. If the review queue instructions linked to that page, that would be a minor improvement. However these guidelines state that editors should try to correct all problems—not that they must. And this is not included in the instructions at all. — Sean 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by bad_coder
@Sean you miss quoted me, a guideline is in a way a rule (that much for the semantics). You quoted me as saying "must", I did not use that word! I said there's a stronger rule that holds over the other rules (or guidelines if you prefer) in page I linked. Rest assured I chose my words carefully, because otherwise people would be giving me a hard time. That being said, I really would appreciate you edit out the miss quote that's attributed to me. — bad_coder 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Sean
Thanks for clarifying. I interpret a "rule" as something you "must" do, which is where that came from. I'll edit. — Sean 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Gimby
I find lazy loading, or should I say trickle loading, a pretty ugly user experience to be honest. Hard to get right on mobile devices especially, I know some sites where I have to basically scroll up and down up and down to get the site to trigger the next trickle load and the fact that things appear out of nowhere tends to trigger me to tap something I didn't want to tap. I'd be all for a way to set the maximum number of answers in a page though, so you personally can set it to 2 and I can leave it at 20. — Gimby 27 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Michael Welch
Thanks @zcoop98 that initiative is great to see. It's nice to see them capturing many of the problems including the one that hit me: "Inappropriate actions on review tasks or audits can lead to a suspension of privileges with no obvious means of understanding what happened." — Michael Welch 32 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by zcoop98
Tag excerpts and wikis are editable just like posts. Feel free to suggest an edit for it: stackoverflow.com/edit-tag-wiki/5989zcoop98 6 secs ago
 
4:37 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Gimby
"I would swallow it if 3 or 4 users voted to close it, but not one single user." . No? You are not going to allow the possibility that this is a measure which is in place for maybe a good reason? That's too bad, those are the more interesting aspects of Stack Overflow. — Gimby 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by NickW
Can I add my vote to being able to filter the triage queue? I can happily triage questions about SQL, ETL, databases, Snowflake, etc. but questions about websites, java, c++ etc. might as well be in Chinese as far as my ability to triage them is concerned. I've just wasted 10 mins of my life skipping through an endless list of questions that were meaningless to me. If you want people to triage questions you really need to make the process more user-friendly. — NickW 46 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Alexei Levenkov
To highlight @Scratte point - that site rules are one thing and voting (which should align to the rules) is different - my answer here is upvoted (and no downvotes/comments) so far despite making claim about "not possible" answers that is essentially opposite of the site rules/guidance - meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/261168/…. — Alexei Levenkov 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by PM 2Ring
Maybe it'd help if the closed post notice made it clear that "ask a new question" does not mean to ask the same question again. — PM 2Ring 44 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jeanne Dark
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Alexei Levenkov
Side note: if you would have asked about "specific-question" here is answer: question lacks MRE inline in the post and hence should be closed, since it was already closed for another reason it should not be reopened yet. Note that duplicate is a way to get as much related information as possible for partial questions, especially if said question can be interpreted that way by future visitors. — Alexei Levenkov 13 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by jrh
These unofficial rules are hacks put in by reviewers to make up for a very flawed system. In theory the official rules are fine, something else (e.g,. the whole suggested edit system) needs fixing. Contributors that want to help should be able to suggest any useful edit (no matter how minor or major) as they want, regardless of rep, considering how much stuff needs fixing on this site that nobody's ever coming back to. I'm not saying that's the system we have right now, but it's the system we should have. Frankly I personally am not interested in playing games with robo-reviewers anymore. — jrh 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Scratte
While the overhaul of the review system seems promising, I do not hold high hopes for it. The problem here is not the user interface. For new reviewers that gets suspended because they do not understand the buttons, sure.. But that's all it will do. No overhaul of the user interface is going to change that reviewers need to know the opinion of other users, especially the opinion of the moderator that decided to suspend them. I wrote an Answer about all my confusion once: [Upcoming Feature: New Question Close Experience](meta.stackoverflow.com/a/394890) — Scratte 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Robert Harvey
The reasons why are explained completely here. — Robert Harvey 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Alexei Levenkov
"It should be moved to" - based on questions I've seen on the law site I'm pretty sure it would be off-topic... but I have no idea what they rules actually are. Looking at your reputation on the law site I'm pretty sure you also have no idea about they rules and just randomly guessing "on-topic-ness" by presence of legal-related words in the post... Which would be roughly the same as advising to migrate "What is the best IDE for Python" from SU to SO. — Alexei Levenkov 1 min ago
 
5:13 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Alexei Levenkov
I don't think that as very useful as one really should make code to fit screen without horizontal scroll as part of the edit... so while I see this feature-request useful it's probably not going to get so much support that company will even look at it... — Alexei Levenkov 2 mins ago
 
5:43 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
Your account will not exist anymore. The only thing that will remain are your posts and comments, but anonymized. — yivi 54 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by John Montgomery
For what it's worth, I'm pretty sure that was a legitimate link when it was posted back in 2010. — John Montgomery 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Scratte
I would expect your votes to be retained, as you are the nr. 2 voter of all timeScratte 7 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by jrh
Generally the opinions on this are more or less "the review system gives me questions I am not an expert in so contributors shouldn't change things that sound scary" and "the review system requires my attention as an expert so make it worth my time", and those two things are contradictory most of the time. The answer isn't to forget these concerns and let everything past the review system, it's to take something that used to be OK with a few users (i.e., case by case review by experts) and scale it to a site this size. I'm not saying it's easy, I'm not a CM or web designer. — jrh 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by BSMP
In general, would it be useful to also leave a comment warning that the link is malicious? Moderator flags and suggested edits can take some time (especially lately with the size of the queue) so it might be helpful to have a warning in the meantime if you can't use a spam flag or make an edit directly. — BSMP 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by John Montgomery
@BSMP Good point. — John Montgomery 53 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dharman
[ Boson ] New comment posted by John Montgomery
Stack Overflow is an English site. It is in fact expected that everyone posting here can read English. — John Montgomery 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Alexei Levenkov
meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/396754/… (also I don't think it overs this exact case - did not read whole so) — Alexei Levenkov 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dharman
You have cast a lot of upvotes. In situations where a user voted a significant amount of times an employee reviews deletion request and they usually retain these votes, even if they were fraudulent. Your activity will be mostly transferred to the community user. Your posts will be anonymised or deleted if they are closed questions or have a non-positive score. — Dharman 2 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tim Randall
There's a danger that the enforcement is fixing the wrong problem. An edit made in good faith seems to have caused difficulties because the question was closed. Was the person who suggested the edit penalized? If not, why not? If different rules apply to questions that are closed, can we ensure that editors and reviewers are clearly instructed to follow those rules? — Tim Randall 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tim Randall
"Tiny, trivial edits are discouraged - try to make the post significantly better when you edit, correcting all problems that you observe." Try to observe everything! because otherwise you could get a suspension — Tim Randall just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dharman
@AlexeiLevenkov You can delete your account multiple times. It sounds strange but it's not impossible — Dharman 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Alexei Levenkov
"Has anyone had this experience and could advise me?" - :) it is interesting how you expect feedback from people who deleted they accounts and hence can not post to meta... Are you sure you wanted to post it here and not on reddit/facebook/twitter? — Alexei Levenkov 2 mins ago
 
6:39 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Alexei Levenkov
@Dharman "it is easy to quit smoking, I done it hundreds times" :) ... also I suspect the pool of users that did that is very small... — Alexei Levenkov 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Travis J
I disagree with the last part of this, "If you think that the error message will not be understandable you can add a translation on top of the original message or you can explain what the error message says in your own words." This should instead be must. Someone posting an error message in Russian, Japanese, or another language with a completely different alphabet than English, really adds absolutely nothing to the post without an explanation or translation. — Travis J 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
If you have additional questions that are not adequately covered by the comments and/or the linked duplicates, please edit your question to clarify what you still want to know. In general, your public-facing contributions are retained whenever your account is deleted (as they've been licensed to Stack Overflow under CC BY-SA), but all of your activity and other details are removed from the server. — Cody Gray ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Victor Stafusa
The inner guts of SAP/ABAP is an example of a thing that is in scope of SO that might give some German error messages (just a very small niche, but it is nevertheless). BTW, there is a lot of specific frameworks and programming tools out there that might sometimes give errors that aren't in English. For example, a few years ago I had trouble with a Java framework that gave me error messages in French, and I don't speak French nor was using anything that had something to do with French, so this happens sometimes. — Victor Stafusa 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by einpoklum
@CodyGray: Why remove the implication part? It's significant. — einpoklum 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by MPelletier
My sincerest apologies to whoever was affected. — MPelletier 42 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by MPelletier
Thanks for editing that answer. I guess I'll copy the code from the archived link and give credit to the archive... Man, what a shame that site has gone rogue... — MPelletier 49 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tomerikoo
@AlexeiLevenkov remember that in this split view the space for the code-block is cut in half. So a code-block that appears with no problem in the question might get "chopped" in the split view. I agree that it's kind of a "minor" request, just thought it can be a nice little touch — Tomerikoo 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Braiam
@VictorStafusa again, this is about a general behavior. PHP, Python, Mono, Javascript, <insert languages with +0.5% usage in systems except MS's>, allow this — Braiam 6 secs ago
 
7:39 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Scratte
I've learned to delete my posts on meta when these things happen. It's working well for me. I think I also remember a very nice comment here earlier, that seems to have gone missing. — Scratte 59 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Adriaan
You can refer to this answer of mine on how and which edits push a question into the reopen queue automatically. The problem here was, at least if I were a reviewer, that accepting this edit would rob the OP of the chance to edit their post to be on-topic and get it into the reopen queue. This is not only a point of failure of the guidance in the edit review queue, but also in how posts get into the reopen queue. — Adriaan 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Scratte
I think the [closed] isn't actually part of the title. — Scratte 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tomerikoo
@Scratte what do you mean? I'm aware the user don't write [closed] in his title (it is not possible). My point is that when a question is closed, then the [closed] tag (which is added to its title) doesn't appear if the title itself was edited (as part of the reviewed edit) — Tomerikoo 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Scratte
I see. You mean the title should show [closed]? Note that it's also hidden when a user goes to edit a post, so if it should appear in the suggested edit, if would go away if you chose to "reject and edit" or improve the edit. — Scratte 29 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tomerikoo
Might be, but if there would be an indication while in the review page, you already know that the question is closed so I don't see it as such a problem as the fact that from the review page you can't tell if the question is closed or not... — Tomerikoo 49 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by MisterMiyagi
AFAIK even "normal" questions do not require code. What they need is a clear problem statement, and code often just happens to be the most appropriate way to define that. — MisterMiyagi 2 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by David
3) Assume that a program is not in English and never has any English translation (yes that exists) then it might be good if a translation is given here on SO but a) additionally to the original message and b) perhaps not even required. — David 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by David
@JohnMontgomery 1) you might consider that some people use google translate to read and post here, that can be seen quite well in some posts. 2) I never wrote that the language of the postings should be anything else than in English. — David 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Scratte
I do not think "an attempt at a solution" means code. (Why id your TL;DR at the end. If people reach the end, they read your post, no? :-) — Scratte 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by David
3c) primary sens of error-messages is to find the reason, and if no error-code is given that can be achieved at best with the original message - at least if you use the message to dig in the code. — David 1 min ago
 
8:51 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by David
4) beside that there exist programs / apps / systems which produce misleading error-messages. That doesn't change handling here on SO but for those messages it might be more useful to see them in original version as they might be known already. Only a translation without original version might look like a new message and people need some time to identify them as those wrong error-messages. — David 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Pac0
@MPelletier Unfortunately, it happens from times to times but too regularly anyway... — Pac0 19 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by David
5) Expecting English as main-language is reasonable and good. But that doesn't mean that visitors never speak other languages. That one person who his posting in Spanish looks always like a single case, in fact there are many understanding it (I by myself don't understand it). Sure, SO is not only about helping the one posting person but every reader, but concerning error-messages if not provided in English, the meaning might show up in context of question and answer(s). — David 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by David
I'm done here, strong opinions without tolerance or willing to argue, deleted my answer and won't show up here again. — David 29 secs ago
 
9:33 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by SecretAgentMan
The skip button is your friend when you're in doubt. — SecretAgentMan 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by einpoklum
@Scratte: Yes, Shog9 was very gracious :-) ... but alas, that's gone. — einpoklum 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Scratte
@SecretAgentMan It is. But Skipping 27000 posts to review 3000 is just not very good use of anyone's time, is it? — Scratte 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by SecretAgentMan
@Scratte no, not at all. I myself am a pre-eminent skip button user. My comment was intended tongue-in-cheek a bit too. I'll delete it shortly since it is clearly giving a different impression than intended. — SecretAgentMan 31 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Michael Welch
I’m skipping even more today than yesterday — Michael Welch 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Duniho
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Duniho
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Duniho
The pseudocode aspect seems like a red herring to me. Either we should answer questions that show no evidence of the author to solve it themselves, or we shouldn't. Whether they use a specific programming language to present their question or instead use pseudocode, seems completely irrelevant. — Peter Duniho 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Scratte
@MichaelWelch That is only a natural result of being suspended. I'm a stubborn kind of person and after I started on a queue, I stayed with it until I got the shiny badge. Now.. I wonder why I did it. It's of no value to me really and I feel my time would have been much better spent on something else. I think I spent on average 10-15 minutes on every post I reviewed, and most of that time trying to see the future. The past month a moderator have been closing some 1000 posts a day, so Stack clearly doesn't need me to help out with this. — Scratte 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by charlietfl
Read your question several times and without a proper example and better explanation of what is actually happening it was just confusing and parsing url's is something I am very familiar with — charlietfl 30 secs ago
 
10:13 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Polygnome
@ChrisSchaller Again, you are looking at the wrong this. Everything you said is perfectly correct and the right way to head down. But as soon as you put your nice .Net application onto a server that doesn't use english, the error messages are non-english. Not the ones your users see, but the ones you as dev get to see because you log them somewhere. And then try to ask about the errors you see in your log on SO. Or you simply happen to develop your app on a non-english OS. Heck, even PowerShell spits out non-english error messages. — Polygnome 51 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Polygnome
@ChrisSchaller Its simply unreasonable to re-install the OS just to get PowerShell to spit out english messages. Again, if you happen to know a good way to make MS tools (PowerShell, CMD, :net and whatever) spit out only english errors even when on non-english systems, please, please point it out how thats done. Again, its not about the messages we show our end users - its about the ones we as devs get to see. — Polygnome 50 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Michael Welch
@Scratte I hear ya. I've been working on this badge for years. In fits and spurts. I go for a week or two and then forget about it. Then I happen upon SO a few months later for something and think "Where am I at?" Let's try to get a few more points. I typically pick up a little bit of reputation at the same time as I end up finding a question or two I want to answer. — Michael Welch 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Scratte
When I search for a specific issue, which I occasionally do, I often land on some post that has very little views, almost no votes. Some times there's an Answer on it. If I'm lucky, there are more than one, if there are none, I'll work it out and post one. You seem to argue such Questions are useless, I'd argue that they are not. They help making Stack the place to find an Answer to every question a programmer might have. If Stack only had the bigger Questions, they'd lose the diversity and special questions with narrow problems. — Scratte 14 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by John Montgomery
@java-addict301 No, if your code is all in an external link your question will get closed. The relevant code needs to be in the question itself. — John Montgomery 36 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by zcoop98
@Scratte I disagree that the overhaul won't help, but I understand where you're coming from. I also speak as someone who reviews not that often, and avoids Triage queue altogether because the experience seems so shoddy and inconsistent, with posts about bad audits and inconsistent suspensions seemingly being posted every other day. — zcoop98 1 min ago
 
10:43 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Polygnome
@Braiam To start, the error in the OP comes from the VBScript interpreter when run on a German Windows. PowerShell also spits out german error messages when run on german windows, as does cmd.exe (the older "shell" on Windows). Pretty much every MS tool spits out localized error messages. Even the exceptions that .Net Framework throws are localized on Windows. And there is nothing you can do about it except reinstalling the complete OS and switching the language, which many devs don't want to do for good reason (or even can't when working on a machine provided by the employer or customer). — Polygnome 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Polygnome
This is quite related and worth a read: meta.stackoverflow.com/a/332201/1360803Polygnome just now
 
11:07 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by toolic
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick
"Sublime will print your current path variable (example). Make sure the paths are set correctly." - This was the problem OP had, saying to check it is in the answer, what's not an answer about it? — Nick 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by halfer
In general, if I flag NAA, I add a comment first to explain why it is NAA. I assume that reviewers/mods see those before handling. — halfer 34 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by John Montgomery
Just because they say it should be a comment doesn't mean it actually should. If someone isn't familiar enough with the site's rules to know not to write a comment as an answer, then assume they aren't familiar enough to judge whether something is an answer or not either. I don't know anything about Java or Sublime Text, but since the OP accepted it presumably it answered their question. — John Montgomery 29 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Rob
@halfer I did comment. The poster themself said "this is a comment"! — Rob 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick
@Rob So by your logic as soon as someone says "This should be a comment", that instantly makes it not an answer, even when it answers the question? — Nick 25 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by halfer
Fair enough, Rob. I would say that in most cases I edit answers to remove this prefix - often something that is confessedly not an answer turns out to be fairly answerish once the waffle is removed. — halfer 28 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Rob
@JohnMontgomery So we should determine they don't know the difference between a comment and an answer, too? — Rob 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Rob
@Nick I give the benefit of the doubt that the person posting the comment knows what they're talking about. — Rob 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Polygnome
@Rob No. You should judge the answer by its actual content, not by what someone (even the poster themselves) says about the content. The answer is clearly an answer when judged on its own merits, so simply edit the comment out and be done. — Polygnome 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Polygnome
@Rob So you also upvote an answer if it starts with "This answer is so good it should be upvoted by everyone"? No, you don't. You make your own judgement. Same with judging if the answer is an answer or not, the value judgement of someone else is irrelevant and should just be edited out. — Polygnome 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by halfer
@Polygnome: ooh, if I add a post-script to all my answers asking for upvotes, will I get a big stack of them? :=)halfer 56 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by halfer
I'd add to this that NAA is not appropriate for things that are terrible or wrong answers - it is for me-too questions, posts that are just requests for clarifications, etc. If something is terrible you can try LQ if it is available, but otherwise just downvote. — halfer 27 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Scratte
This is an Answer, but I like to comment.. :) To be fair, this initial sentence is probably missing on a few of the comments on this post. — Scratte 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
I confess I haven't read the entire comment thread here, but... Don't go on auto-pilot when reviewing posts. Key phrases are useful to help you sniff out a problem, but you shouldn't flag on that basis. If the initial phrase is removed, ask yourself, is this now an answer? That's what the moderator who reviews your flag is going to ask themselves. They're not going to trigger on phrases, and you shouldn't, either. Not everyone understands the distinction between comments and answers, and that misunderstanding goes in both directions. — Cody Gray ♦ 1 min ago
 
11:53 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
See the (unfortunately ungrammatical) revision comment that I left. There was a noisy discussion in the comments and flags that led to this. I evaluated the situation, and I felt that removing the implied swipe at various other SE co-workers serves no purpose other than to inflame. Anita (and others) is more likely to get the message you're trying to send if you don't wrap it up with an insult, and anyone who is paying attention will understand the implication even if it isn't spelled out explicitly. There's nothing wrong with the answer; it doesn't need to be removed. — Cody Gray ♦ 41 secs ago
 

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