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12:01 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tom
That you first thought that OP wrote those comments like to me like they all had the same name, maybe also the same avatar so you thought it was the same account. Since they were different accounts, I assume OP created multiple accounts. It is unusual that one uses different accounts for each comment and that the comments look like that, so I wouldn't be surprised if they used a script to create the accounts and generate the comments with a given text. I also assume that this script "went rogue" and posted answers instead of comments which OP tried to fix by manually deleting the content. — Tom 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Alexei Levenkov
Answers from new users go to "First posts" queue - it is not very surprising if some very rude (or even completely pointless) stuff got plenty of votes there... If moderators got involved they may cleaned up the history if it was really over the top... — Alexei Levenkov 56 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by jtbandes
Actually, I saw most of these comments after the users were deleted, so they all looked like "user123456789" and that's why I didn't notice the difference. I don't think OP intentionally tried to make the accounts look like the same user. I also found it strange that the number of votes on these two answers was exactly the same, since presumably they wouldn't be exactly in the same place in the queue, and not everyone reviewing answers in the queue would click through to see both answers on the question. — jtbandes 56 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by John Montgomery
If adding a few empty lines was enough to trigger the too much code error, then the question needed more explanation. — John Montgomery 36 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tom
@AlexeiLevenkov I not sure, but as far as I know only developers can edit a post without adding a new revision by doing that directly on the database. And that rarely happens, especially for deleted posts which are only available to a limited group of users. That is why I assumed in my comment above that the user writing the answer(s) deleted the content themselves. — Tom 1 min ago
 
12:29 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by charlietfl
Also highly suspicious that the two user names are numerically only 6 apart from each other — charlietfl 1 min ago
 
1:13 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Security Hound
@AdamHunyadi - In what world is that an acceptable Stack Overflow question? It’s asking for a formula. The author of that question has not even attempted to provide what they tried. There was absolutely nothing another user could edit about that question that would result in that question being reopened. You choose the wrong option, and it doesn’t appear to be the first time, you have done so. Short review suspensions are used to get your attention so you slow down and make valid choices while reviewing queue. — Security Hound 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Security Hound
How exactly is this “ok” — Security Hound 25 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Security Hound
“I want someone else's code to fix this” - that’s a comment by the author. The question was properly closed. The community absolutely could not edit that question, into a state, where it cpu actually be answered. — Security Hound 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by BSMP
@NathanBasanese I think referring to both the result of running the program and error messages as output could get confusing depending on the context but I don't think it matters for this question. My point is that having the error message in a language other than English makes the question unanswerable and unanswerable questions should be closed. — BSMP 1 min ago
 
2:13 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Hovercraft Full Of Eels
If you do re-ask this on the main site, then do consider improving the question, telling more details about your problem. The How to Ask and help center site links can help you with this. — Hovercraft Full Of Eels 49 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Hovercraft Full Of Eels
You're asking this question on the wrong site. This is the meta site where we discuss the running of this site and you want to ask this type of question on the Stack Overflow main site. — Hovercraft Full Of Eels 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody
@HovercraftFullOfEels Thank you kindly, new here so still figuring it out! — Cody 37 secs ago
 
2:57 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Andrew T.
Though, if you can't post new questions on the main site, please read and follow What can I do when getting “We are no longer accepting questions/answers from this account”?Andrew T. 1 min ago
 
3:33 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
I think it's documented that user IDs are assigned sequentially, so not really all that suspicious, @charlietfl. — Cody Gray ♦ 35 secs ago
 
4:23 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Steve Bennett
"If we can expect people to create these, we can certainly expect them to configure their setup so it provides error messages in English" - this is outrageous. Perhaps you have never actually gone through the effort required to switch between languages in some platforms. — Steve Bennett 43 secs ago
 
4:37 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
Hmm, it looks like even the syntax highlighting options available to moderators when setting the default syntax highlighter for a tag are in need of an update. The current list misses many of the options you listed in your post, and also lists some that are apparently obsolete, like "lang-proto". The full list of what is currently available to us is here, but I can't vouch for its accuracy or completeness with all the recent changes to syntax highlighting: pastebin.com/bXVLPAg3Cody Gray ♦ 43 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
That the feature request has not been answered does not make this not a duplicate. Feature requests often aren't answered until the feature has been implemented. Obviously, this one hasn't. If you want to bring more attention to the feature request and argue for its implementation, you can post an answer there. — Cody Gray ♦ 44 secs ago
 
 
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5:43 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by pietroppeter
Thanks, right under my nose! — pietroppeter 1 min ago
 
6:01 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by gnat
feature of hiding spam/rude answers from 10Kers like that was implemented in 2013gnat 9 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Roland
@Voo Personally, I don't care at all about .NET. I care about languages I use. And I don't want people to be able to point to a canonical answer on meta that tells them they can post non-English error messages. If Microsoft makes sane configurations hard or impossible, we need an exception for that. I don't see why all tags should live with localized error messages because of this. — Roland 1 min ago
 
6:51 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Scratte
@SecurityHound If 3 users click "Looks OK" it doesn't go into another queue, so that's not entirely accurate. — Scratte 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Serge Ballesta
I fully support this. And please do not forget that even if everybody does his best to write correct English in SO site, many of us are not native English speakers. As far as I am concerned, I prefere read an original error message in French, Spanish, Italian or even German that a poor English translation. — Serge Ballesta 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Scratte
I do not agree this post need focus. That reason is being used on low effort Question, and I think it's wrong to do so, but I do agree the title isn't very good. The major problem that I see with this post is the image. I would have flagged it due to to that as per How do I ask a good question?Scratte 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Martijn Pieters
The FAQ has been edited by the developer that was responsible for the highlight.js integration, I don’t think it needs to be dismissed directly. — Martijn Pieters ♦ 29 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tomerikoo
I agree with most. I actually wrote this SE answer on the matter basically saying that only OP edits should sent the post to Re-Open, don't know how much attention that got... I guess I'm just trying to find a solution for the smaller problem, at least until the bigger one is solved (which I have a feeling will take time...) — Tomerikoo 58 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Voo
@Roland My point is that the accepted meta post cannot simply be "only English language error messages accepted", because that's infeasible and unnecessary. The more subtle proposals like the one by Trilarion should work perfectly fine though. — Voo 6 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Martijn Pieters
I migrated this to Meta.SE because you are discussing the Meta.SE FAQ and highlight.js applies to all sites. — Martijn Pieters ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Adriaan
Well then, here comes my chance to fill out 50 of the 500 surveys! — Adriaan 14 secs ago
 
7:33 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by glennsl
@Machavity Ah, yes, I thought that would be a kind of burn, but I see now it's considered a retag. Should I submit a separate retag-request? — glennsl 50 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TheMaster
I may agree with the burn, but I don't think it satisfies any of the criteria. All your "No"s seem twisted to somehow satisfy the criteria. On that note, Do anyone else consider the burninate criteria impossible to satisfy for most valid cases? — TheMaster 44 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Trilarion
I slightly changed wording after sleeping once over it. The goal was to emphasize more that it's a last resort; trying to get English error messages was only strongly recommended before, it's required now. Also one is now required to at least deliver also a machine translation if one cannot translate on its own. That was not required before. I hope that's okay with previous voters. — Trilarion 10 secs ago
 
7:57 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Scratte
How is that required now? The top Answer doesn't way it's required, but "you can add a translation", meaning it's optional. — Scratte 16 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Trilarion
Some statistics about how often that happens "Typkonflikt" (2x) "Typenkonflikt" (6x) "Laufzeitfehler" (23x), ""erreur d'exécution" (9x), "errore di runtime" (0x). Not very often. @KetZoomer I believe machine translation just ignores parts that cannot be translated and copies them verbatim. That would probably be okay, or where do you see problems? I just checked with an example of mixed language and code and it worked fine. — Trilarion 37 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Trilarion
@Scratte I require it now. In this answer it is required now. Top answer is a different answer, which requires less. — Trilarion 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by glennsl
@TheMaster I think it's pretty clearly ambiguous and not adding meaningful information. And I find it hard to see how an ambiguous tag could mean the same thing in all common contexts, but I think that criteria is pretty vague too. Finally, I find it hard to determine whether it's on-topic when the meaning of the tag is so vague, so I've basically defaulted to answering "No" if I can't definitively answer "Yes'. — glennsl 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Scratte
@Voo It's been edited. It's less subtle now. — Scratte 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by DarkTrick
@zcoop98 Varying. I don't understand to which extend the monitor dimensions are important here... — DarkTrick 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Voo
@Scratte Still seems perfectly reasonable to me: Provide the English text if possible with a reasonable amount of effort (true in many cases), if not provide the original and a best effort translation marked as such. — Voo 19 secs ago
 
 
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9:11 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Scratte
I think you may not have noticed that you've posted this on the meta site, not the main site. However, I think you should revise your Question before posting on main. — Scratte 22 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by leftjoin
@MattEllen Bug or not bug, but Hive is being widely used in bigdata world. — leftjoin 11 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
Editing the question with additional details and adding a bounty seems the way to go, IMO. — yivi 1 min ago
 
9:31 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by sancho.s ReinstateMonicaCellio
@yivi - Please see EDIT. — sancho.s ReinstateMonicaCellio 26 secs ago
 
9:47 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Hans Olsson
I don't understand the discussions about the edge-case of error messages in languages you don't speak. The most likely explanations would IMO be that the program is producing errors in the wrong language for some reason, and that should be on-topic, or that the poster is trouble-shooting for someone else and should then ask that third person for a translation. Can anyone describe any other realistic scenarios? — Hans Olsson 1 min ago
 
10:19 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by David
-2- If someone is using a translation tool to read SO, the assumption that every user can read English is just wrong. Therefore: it's good if a message can be provided in English, but it's not a big issue if not, primary it should be provided as text if possible. — David 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by David
-1- I think eror-messages as image are always bad if it's about accessibility. Not only can the message never be read by a screen-reader but also not easily translated by copy and paste in any translation tool. It doesn't matter much if the message is in English, there might be a reason that the message is shown in another language and perhaps in some systems / apps / frameworks not even available in English. — David 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by πάντα ῥεῖ
Hi Mark, welcome to Meta! I'm not sure which search brought you here but the problem you describe will not be answered on this specific site. To get an answer from users that have the expertise about the topic of your question you'll have to find and then re-post on the proper site. Check How do I ask a good question and What is on topic on the target site to make sure your post is in good shape. Your question is definitely off-topic on Meta and is better deleted here. — πάντα ῥεῖ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by David
-3- automated translation might sound promising but also be a bad idea. Translated messages are organized in XML, PO-files or something else. If the messages are automatically translated but not clear the user might want to look it up by crawling the translation files. It might be very hard or impossible to find the right fit with an automatically translated message as the translation likely will differ in comparison to the original translations. — David 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by David
-4- searching for messages in the translation files might never only serve the reason to find the original translation but also the code-part where the error is produced. So the problem seems being language-related but in fact is still a coding-related issue. — David 47 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by padaleiana
@leftjoin Yes, that's why it's difficult to make decisions about it, IMO. Hive (Apache) is very popular in Big Data, and Hive (Flutter) is increasing in popularity — padaleiana 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by David
-5- my opinion above is related to SO as platform with unlimited audience. Other platforms usually have a smaller audience and posting images with text is much more convenient as long as it can be assumed that everyone can read them. — David 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Scratte
@David Have you considered posting an Answer? :) — Scratte 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by David
@Scratte it grew unexpected after thinking a bit longer ;-) — David 1 min ago
 
10:59 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by David
my comments above can be found now in this answer: meta.stackoverflow.com/a/402245/1019850David 1 min ago
 
11:11 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
@David Since you already posted an answer, please consider deleting all those comments already contained in that post. — yivi 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user253751
@IamKemp If you can't understand the question, but you think someone else can, then don't answer it. Just like you would ignore the question if you weren't familiar with one of the technologies involved. — user253751 just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user253751
@HansOlsson your computer is configured for German but you can also speak English so you asked the question in English. — user253751 21 secs ago
 
11:39 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Security Hound
@Scratte - didn’t it go into the first post after it was determined to be ok in the triage queue? — Security Hound 12 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by nbk
Make a new question, write that there is a similar question with link, but you have additional information — nbk 25 secs ago
 
11:57 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Scratte
@SecurityHound No. Posts that are eligible for both queues are enqueued at roughly the same time. You can check the timelines. This timeline show it was enqueued in Triage at 20:48 and in First Posts at 20:51. It took 9 hours to be reviewed in Triage. — Scratte 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Machavity
Due to the low number of questions ultimately impacted, I went ahead and merged them — Machavity ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Hans Olsson
@user253751 but if my computer is configured for German I can likely understand German, and since I have to write my question in English, I should be somewhat capable of translating it. That's not the edge-case being discussed. The edge-case is that the message is in German, but I cannot translate it. — Hans Olsson 44 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Scratte
The first timeline I linked to is an entirely different post, but it show what it looks like when there's a resolution in Triage. — Scratte 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by sancho.s ReinstateMonicaCellio
 
12:35 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by David
Reasons for down-votes would be interesting as it's not clear to which detail they are related to. — David 40 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zoe
no and you can calculate it without using the league, but that involves crunching the numbers across literally millions of users which you'll have to do using a massive data dump released four times a year (IIRC). — Zoe 48 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Taslim Oseni
That's helpful information. Thanks a lot, Zoe. — Taslim Oseni 50 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick
This whole post is about finding a consensus, your opinion is that: "It doesn't matter much if the message is in English" and that "Automated translation might sound promising but also be a bad idea." - Some people might simply disagree, I wouldn't take any downvotes personally — Nick 1 min ago
 
12:53 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by David
@Nick sure, knowing the details would make a discussion possible. Downvoting a longer answer without comment is making it impossible and shows some kind of disrespect. But I'm sure there exists a related issue too ;-) — David 19 secs ago
 
1:05 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Scratte
Votes on meta are not like on main. On meta they are often agreement or disagreement with a proposal or an Answer. There's no reason to assume any disrespect :) — Scratte 24 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
 
1:27 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ian Kemp
@user253751 You are committing the fallacy of assuming that Stack Overflow exists to be a helpdesk for every unique problem that every programmer in the world may have. — Ian Kemp 29 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by nbk
@sancho.sReinstateMonicaCellio this will be probaböly closed, write also why the found solution aren't good, so it a searching for recomanedation — nbk 31 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by usr2564301
@CodyGray: and both brand new users spotted this question, answered it, and then decided to replace the content by the same string. — usr2564301 51 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Voo
@Chris Great so the user never sees the exception message - so it doesn't matter at all for them whether it is translated or not. But you collect stacktrace and exception information with your fancy APIs so you can actually debug the issue. At which point you now have to deal with a Chinese exception text. So given your approach there's also no advantage at all to translated exceptions. — Voo 41 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Security Hound
Neither of those questions is of acceptable quality IMO. — Security Hound 51 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by gnat
 
2:13 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by sancho.s ReinstateMonicaCellio
@nbk - Do you mean why this solution stackoverflow.com/a/58932458/2707864 isn't good? — sancho.s ReinstateMonicaCellio 1 min ago
 
2:37 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by nbk
seems logical to me as long as it is not fully supported — nbk 6 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Security Hound
There are hundreds of questions that are submitted daily that can be answered without submitting a comment — Security Hound 34 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Scratte
I don't agree that fresh Questions are commonly answerable as is. They often do need a little clarification. But you could also choose to answer ones that have already been clarified. Even if it already has an Answer you could perhaps answer with a different take on it. — Scratte 36 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Gabe
The fact of the matter is that Google Translate has gotten good. Plugging in Laufzeitfehler explicitly states a runtime error. I think it is a good idea for the person asking the question to just plug in the error in Google Translate and say this is the error in English. It is not the readers responsibility to translate the message. — Gabe 1 min ago
 
2:55 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by zcoop98
@Dark Only relevant if excessively small or something... I was referring to the idea that your window width would be constrained by the width of your monitor. — zcoop98 45 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
You are on Meta. This question will not be answered here and you may want to go over the Checklist and How to Ask before you repost on main. Please consider deleting this question. — rene 42 secs ago
 
3:11 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by JDB still remembers Monica
"you could also try them" - No, you shouldn't do that. Pick one site, don't cross-post. meta.stackexchange.com/a/64069/191410JDB still remembers Monica 56 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user253751
@IanKemp ... and what makes the question not broadly applicable, compared to the same question with an English error message? — user253751 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Scratte
@Braiam You mean to say all those French users are just a drop in the ocean? :D — Scratte 12 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Braiam
@user253751 that the error isn't in English. — Braiam 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TylerH
If we allowed this then everyone would just answer in the comments. Now it's at least a sort-of manageable problem. — TylerH 17 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by JDB still remembers Monica
Many errors are gobbledygook anyways, so an error message that is actually in a different language doesn't change my normal pattern: Google the exact text to learn more, then offer advice. I can just as easily search for Russian or German or Portuguese as I can for English. The most important thing is to have the exact, complete error message. Anything less, even in English, severely hampers my ability to answer the question. An attempt at translation is appreciated, but if the message is already unintelligible to the OP, then I can't expect them to translate accurately. — JDB still remembers Monica 9 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by zcoop98
@jtbandes Since you mentioned confusing comment screen names, I thought I'd mention; I use a userscript to help me identify unique authors in comments, if you'd like to take a look (It's not my script). It makes following comment threads loads easier for me, since it helps distinguish similar looking screen names, and might've helped in this case in identifying who was unique. — zcoop98 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by JDB still remembers Monica
If you, as a reader, are frightened by an error message in a foreign language, then you can choose not to read any further and move to another question, just as you can for any obtuse error message that is difficult to decipher. But the post is still on-topic and, as long as the question and answers are in English, it is still useful information to have on SO. Even more so if we can close as a duplicate, because then SO will be able to capture those exact string searches and redirect to post with an English translation. — JDB still remembers Monica 29 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by JDB still remembers Monica
Not many error messages are in anything that most ordinary people or even professionals would consider "English". The jargon and terms are often so terse and impenetrable that it requires some Googling to answer, and you can just as easily Google Russian as you can English. What would make the question unanswerable is if an attempt at translation failed in subtle ways... then I can't search in any language because the terms are all wrong. Definitely give me what the computer spat out and we can go from there. — JDB still remembers Monica 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
Strikeout is not needed. That is what the revision history is for - this question should be as if it was written right now. — Peter Mortensen 26 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by usr2564301
That would severely minimize the number of people able to help. In the past I've even asked to translate variable names into English, just to be able to make easier sense of code. (No I am not a native English speaker – but when programming, I am.) — usr2564301 just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Voo
@Gabe And now try "Kellerspeicher" and get "basement" instead of "stack" which might slightly confuse things ;) — Voo 36 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
[ Boson ] New comment posted by MisterMiyagi
Nice to see an answer that focuses on the long-term impact to the community, not just fixing the OP's problem. — MisterMiyagi 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user253751
Machine translations are often quite understandable. Should other people be allowed to add one? — user253751 19 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user253751
There is a good chance that anyone familiar with the technology used will be able to fix up any problems in a machine translation. Can anyone attached a fixed-up machine translation? — user253751 20 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by MisterMiyagi
Very much agree that the program should be in the common language of the people that work with it – which is English the moment you exposes it to the internet. As soon as code might end up on SO or another international context, it is not just "developers and users in a company" anymore. — MisterMiyagi 5 secs ago
 
4:05 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by M--
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick
@M-- Yep, because stylistically I didn't like it, also, the MLA is for scholars in literary fields, of which I'm not, so see no reason to abide by it, it also doesn't say use superscript text, which you changed as well. Lastly, you removed In English from the title which is the entire point of the questionNick 52 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Trilarion
@JDBstillremembersMonica Okay. Changed to "you could use them instead". — Trilarion 57 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Trilarion
@user253751 Personally, I think automatic translations aren't all that bad. And they just keep getting better. Maybe in the future I should write in my mother tongue and use an automatic translation service instead of using my poor English. — Trilarion 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by jrh
As somebody who worked with .NET for a while, I can confirm that the "localized" error message situation is quite bad in that family of languages, and on top of that, not all exceptions even have a HRESULT. Unfortunately you are dependent on the message text sometimes. — jrh 12 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick
@M-- That's no problem, just wanted to be clear, there was some reasoning behind it, I appreciate the thought, but prefer it as it is, thanks — Nick 50 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by M--
Removing in English was the courtesy of using MagicEditor, which was already added back before your roll back, so not relevant. MLA was part of one of the links I have provided, among others; so just referring to one to discredit the whole argument is not accurate. And I don't see this as a style which one would consider likable or not. In any case, I don't wanna make a fuss; it's your question, and that little change on MSO (we're not on SE-English) doesn't matter that much. Cheers. — M-- 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by toolic
 
4:49 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Marco
@MisterMiyagi I agree with you, when you expose it to the internet, but if your software is only running on intranet and - in order not to sound degrading- the caretaker also uses the software, then you should use the language of your company. — Marco 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by BSMP
The "jargon and terms" are still things that are known to people who use the programming language(s) in the question, even if you don't personally consider them English. If your argument is that programming languages are as far from English as Russian and Google Translate is good enough then I don't understand why we're an English only site in the first place. — BSMP 52 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by MisterMiyagi
@Marco Once you post part of the code on Stack Overflow, or otherwise expect people on the internet to help, then it is not just on the intranet. Also, any error that is relevant both for "the caretaker" and Stack Overflow is an issue much larger than what Stack Overflow can help with... — MisterMiyagi 12 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Steve
Seems the we are not considering a very important point in my opinion. The search for an error message (when there are no error codes) is simply a lot more successful when you provide the error message in English than the same in other languages. But we cannot ask every poster to translate it with all the subtle nuisances that cannot be clearly seen by OP, we can simply search for the wrong term fooled by the OP translation. We are here to help so, copying the error in some, even imperfect, translators will give us (or at least to the more expert of us) enough info to solve the problem. — Steve 52 secs ago
 
 
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6:21 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Alexander - Reinstate Monica
"If you think that the question is not worth of your time, please scroll away rather than Downvoting it." They usually do. But if you want this website to be of any use, and you should, then you want there to be moderation that ensures quality. Beginner questions aren't a problem. It's the "Do my homework", "I didn't even bother to google this", and "I want a whole university course summarized in a single post for me" type questions that are the issue. They're low effort, low value to the rest of the community, and pointlessly expensive to answer — Alexander - Reinstate Monica 48 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lance Roberts
[ Boson ] New comment posted by jonrsharpe
Downvotes are an important mechanism for maintaining the quality of the content on this site. We're supposed to downvote questions we don't think are worth our time, to do otherwise would be irresponsible. — jonrsharpe 2 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Sandesh Tayde
There are lots of amateurs who are new to certain technology, in the initial stages their question might find silly or too basic for those who are already stalwarts in this. So If the question are not worth anyone's time, kindly comment below or suggest an edit instead of Downvoting. — Sandesh Tayde 8 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Alexander - Reinstate Monica
Have a read through the various down-vote reasons listed here: idownvotedbecau.se They do a great job of the main issues, summarizing why they're issues that get downvoted, and what you can do to improve your question. Most importantly, don't take it personally. 99% of the time, well researched beginner questions that ask simple things are very well received and up-voted, if the asker has shown an effort in solving their own problem, lists some other things they read, etc. — Alexander - Reinstate Monica 34 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Alexander - Reinstate Monica
"There are lots of amateurs who are new to certain technology" I can assure you, after many years on this site, that is almost never the issue. — Alexander - Reinstate Monica 52 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by StoryTeller - Unslander Monica
You seem to be misunderstanding SO's purpose. It's not a helpdesk. It's meant to be a repository of useful answers to useful questions. Mèaning questions that not only the asker will come acriss, but scores of people in the future. That puts a quality requirement on the question, and votes reflect the post's quality. We won't stop rating content, no matter how some askers may be inconvenienced. You now get one question every 6 months, use it well, and the good contributions will eventually outweigh the bad (and lift the ban). — StoryTeller - Unslander Monica 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by jonrsharpe
"comment below or suggest an edit instead of Downvoting" - comments are not required and often there is no sensible edit to get to a valuable question. — jonrsharpe 20 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Alexander - Reinstate Monica
@SandeshTayde Have a look at this one common problem (in the Swift language): stackoverflow.com/… It has 1,538. one thousand, five hundred and thirty eight! 1537 of those questions are a basic failure of the OP to google their problem, and search for the VAST existing material on it. There's like 2-3 more instances of that question being asked on the [swift] tag every day. It's just useless noise. — Alexander - Reinstate Monica 42 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by esqew
In addition to the accurate points mentioned above, I would be shocked if an asker was question banned after following the guidance in Help Center we so often refer "newbies" to. Personally, 100% of my downvotes are on questions/answers which have little or no regard for the community's guidelines/standards of quality. — esqew 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by StoryTeller - Unslander Monica
And stop assuming "newbie" questions are the problem. There are plenty of well-posed questions posted on SO that touch on just basic things. It's rarely the topic that people downvote. — StoryTeller - Unslander Monica 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Alexander - Reinstate Monica
@SandeshTayde Take a look at this question for me. It was posted to softwareengineer.stackexchange.com the other day, and the OP deleted it shortly after due to its negative reception. To jonsharpe's point, what edit do you suggest on a terrible question like this? Where do you even start? — Alexander - Reinstate Monica 1 min ago
 
6:57 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by John Montgomery
You say that we don't need to see your code to answer, but then in your comment on the answer you ask how to integrate it into your code. You can't have it both ways. — John Montgomery 1 min ago
 
7:15 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by GalaxyCat105
[ Boson ] New comment posted by gnat
[ Boson ] New comment posted by gnat
you are probably unaware yet but in fact, Stack Overflow also bans serial-votinggnat 57 secs ago
 
7:45 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Security Hound
Getting somebody to serial upvote your contribution will get that person’s profile suspended and likely deleted, so you will lose those votes, and you likely will receive a moderator message. I know I will be flagging that behavior.Security Hound 1 min ago
 
7:59 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by BSMP
Your edit already pushed your question into the reopen queue. Unfortunately, since you didn't make the change GalaxyCat105 requested prior to your question's closure, the reopen request was resolved as "Leave Closed". Furthermore, only your first edit pushes your question into the reopen queue. You really, really don't want to edit a closed question unless your edit fixes all issues with the post. In the future, if you don't understand why your question was closed ask about it on meta before you make any edits. — BSMP 16 secs ago
 
8:21 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick
Does this answer your question? What is syntax highlighting and how does it work?, specifically see: How do I report a bug or request a new language?Nick 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Alexei Levenkov
Linked question (as it currently stands) is based on mostly false assumption that clicking on a button makes some sort of navigation (unless it is default "submit" button for a form, which is super rare in 2020). Indeed one can put code in "onclick" handler to navigate, but since question claims that code is not necessary to answer the question we should not assume any explicit navigation in the code. The fact that OfficeErikK refused to add minimal sample to the question makes it even hard to see how this question makes sense (in addition to not having enough information - need MRE) — Alexei Levenkov 30 secs ago
 
 
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9:37 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by JDB still remembers Monica
@BSMP Whew. Yeah. Agreed. It's a good thing that's not my argument. — JDB still remembers Monica 1 min ago
 
10:01 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by John M. Wright
I can confirm: your email client should be using the unique reply-to email address in order to reply to the message. Which email client are you using? — John M. Wright 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Marco Aurelio Fernandez Reyes
[ Boson ] New comment posted by John Meyer
How does this manage to make it down -25? I don't see 25 upvotes on comments. I thought 'meta' was for open discussion. Does a downvote mean an issue is unworthy of discussion? Annoying? — John Meyer 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Chris Schaller
@Voo I'm just surprised that this causes you such pain, in my apps all system exceptions are caught and wrapped with an ApplicationException that uses a resource string in the actual exception, this is stored and logged in the developer language (German) but in all the interfaces the UI uses i8nl concepts to translate and present that string to the user. It was a small amount of effort up front to ensure that long term our applications can be fully supported in multiple languages, .Net and Angular made this a no brainer... Thankyou Microsoft! — Chris Schaller 41 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by John Meyer
@Cody Gray Here is an example of a question I posted on an NPE: stackoverflow.com/questions/47848439/…John Meyer 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by John Meyer
I apologize for my tone. It's just that I have experienced moderation actions that occurred very quickly, and after I've done a lot of ground work without comment or explanation. I will remove tone. With the NPE example I cited in the comment above, I had to go into chat and plead my case to get the question reopened. — John Meyer 45 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by John Meyer
All right now someone has marked this as a duplicate -- but with no comment or explanation. What exactly is the "canonical rule" that is being referenced? thanks. — John Meyer 24 secs ago
 
10:31 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by John Meyer
@BDL Here is an example stackoverflow.com/questions/218384/…. The problem with this, is that via the moderation process, it sometimes shuts down questions about a library (e.g., third party or sun/java) breaking a contract. As soon as the words "null pointer exception" appear in a post, it gets closed ,even though there might be a chance to capture someone's effort in digging through API code or what not. — John Meyer just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by John Meyer
In the example above, I had a question about Apache Tika. Tika is somebody else's code base. It's not honoring the specified API contract. Apache Tika is on the tag list. Should I presume that a product on the tag list, is out of bounds? — John Meyer 1 min ago
 
11:07 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ryan
The Gmail website in Win 10 Chrome. — Ryan 22 secs ago
 
11:17 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Asteroids With Wings
Only 500 responses? You have 13 million users! — Asteroids With Wings 53 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by OSGI Java
@NathanBasanese That is really a terrible advice. — OSGI Java 59 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by zcoop98
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Asteroids With Wings
@zcoop98 Then I'd say the "desired" sample size is still just 0.0580%. I get that sample sizes don't need to be huge if you have a decent model, but that's ... very small. And they don't. — Asteroids With Wings 49 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by jpmc26
@Beta You're misunderstanding. The hypothetical person is still a student with professors looking at the photo, and their appearance is now drastically different as a result of transitioning. Makoto is saying that an old photo is being used to identify a student, and the person considers their self with the other sex "dead." Makoto considers this "bias" because it represents a previous state the person now rejects as part of their past that may influence a professor's initial impression. — jpmc26 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by jpmc26
@Beta I find this view strange, though. It's not as though everything that happened before they transitioned is now erased. Their high school credentials likely received under an old name are still recognized, for example. If you really believe gender isn't dictated by physical appearance or qualities, then why is it "biased" that a system might allow someone to see an out of date photo before your appearance matched your current gender identity? Normally, saying your past is dead to you merely means that you have changed significantly, not that you deny its existence. — jpmc26 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by jpmc26
@Beta I find this view strange, though. It's not as though everything that happened before they transitioned is now erased. Their high school credentials likely received under an old name are still recognized, for example. If you believe gender isn't dictated by physical appearance or qualities, then why is it "biased" that a system might contain an out of date photo before your transition? How is updating the photo any different than updating the name? Normally, saying your past is dead to you merely means that you have changed significantly, not that you deny its existence (even in part). — jpmc26 1 min ago
 

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