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6:10 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
it was deleted because three people (not moderators) with enough rep to do so voted to delete it. — Kevin B 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by halfer
A quick read indicates it was not much more than a rant, and moreover, it was wrong about the core reasons for the recent community frustration. Thus, it was just serving to muddy the water, and there is no value in keeping it. — halfer 50 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by De Novo
I'm voting to close this question as off-topic because it's answered in the help center: See stackoverflow.com/help/deleted-answersDe Novo 18 secs ago
 
6:28 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Yvette Colomb
@JourneymanGeek I would dearly like answers to these questions, I just don't expect any honest answers to them. I didn't post it here originally, as it didn't seem an answer to the actual question, so I posted it as a question. I don't mind either way, as long as someone asks. It's what's been torturing us for some time now. In this format, I can't see these questions being answered in the comments at any rate... :/ Edited it out, thanks for the feedback. — Yvette Colomb 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
The answer is... it's trying to portray the situation as about pronouns, which is an argument that can be easily shot down as not really a problem on SO when the actual problem isn't about pronouns at all. It added no value to the discussion. — Kevin B 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Makoto
@senderle: What's the difference between an answer that's off-topic and one that's orthogonal to the discussion at hand? — Makoto 12 secs ago
 
6:52 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by francescalus
"I would like some constructive feedback": regardless of the rights or wrongs of the tag edits, accepting constructive feedback isn't obvious when saying things like "This is just plain stupid and seem to indicate they they're just trying to collect SO editing points." — francescalus 41 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Heretic Monkey
Rollback the edits that remove the tag. If you notice the same user doing the edits, flag an edited post for moderator attention, and explain the situation in the available text box. — Heretic Monkey 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by not2qubit
Both great points. As heretic suggested, I did exactly that, but then i noticed they did it on every single question marked. So I came here. Yes, you can also sense my irritation there as well. But reality is, that it is like removing the C# tag from a C related question and back-tag it as C. Simply seem a bit ignorant, which is why this is an issue at all. — not2qubit 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
The user who removed the tag here seems to be competent with the technology. I'm not saying the are right, but you can consider that maybe they could be onto something. They are not "stalking" you, they are curating a part of the site they care about. — yivi just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
I suppose you wouldn't accept "Shog9" as an answer to your last question, @Cindy? :-) Ugh, honestly, I'm not sure what to do about this mess. Under other circumstances, I'd happily step up and try to resolve this with the input of VBA subject-matter experts like yourself, but at this point, it just isn't on my list of priorities. I will put it on my list anyway. It will also require the cooperation of CMs to fully address this, which are in very short supply right now. — Cody Gray ♦ 36 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by not2qubit
Thank you Cody for explaining. I came here early, so the tag has not been around long enough to cause any damage. But I'll point the guys here, when/if I see it next time. To be noted, is that I believe from now on all new Pinescript code will be of version 4, unless someone tried to copy/modify old version 3 code. Which is why the new tag is important. — not2qubit 8 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by not2qubit
@yivi Yes. that's surprising to me too. I can only mention, that (for example) almost all strategies coded in V3 is using n to designate the current bar index, has been renamed to bar_index, essentially rendering every single v3 code incompatible. Then of course one can argue with, well: if you change the //version=4 to 3, you can still run it. Yes, you can but then you're not using v4. — not2qubit 46 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by not2qubit
Interesting to see that this very question is down-voted. (Not showing research effort and is unclear...). Come on guys, really? — not2qubit 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TylerH
It seems like an employee for the PineCoders company is one of the ones removing the tag. Have you engaged in any kind of dialogue with these users to ask why they disagree with you? It's not uncommon for companies to outsource the support for their product to SO; maybe this is causing them some confusion? — TylerH 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cindy Meister
@CodyGray I understand. Would an acceptable approach be for me (or someone) to post a Q here on Meta asking for a vote? Upvote to continue as until now; Downvote to basically ignore what shog initiated (remove the "don't use" from -vba tags and no longer edit them out). After, say, a week, use the result to set a policy? And lock the question so that it can only be voted - no comments, at least? — Cindy Meister 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by psubsee2003
@not2qubit I'd suspect most of the downvotes were for the initial version of the question. — psubsee2003 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Machavity
@CindyMeister While that sounds good, I would wait until the glut of [featured] MSO posts passes. It's liable to get lost in the shuffle. I should also warn you to expect similar results to the Shog9 post (impassioned arguments for and against without resolution) — Machavity 34 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
Basically what Machavity said. I don't think what we're lacking here are opinions. We're lacking someone who has the time and access to get their hands dirty and make a decision. That's something Shog was pretty good at. And it's something I do plan to do eventually. I'd want to get buy-in from you and another couple of the VBA tag experts, but I really don't think we need another protracted Meta discussion. That isn't going to get us anywhere, anyway, even if it resolves with a clear consensus, because the gap is having a mod and a CM free to put it into practice. — Cody Gray ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by barbecue
@Pchandrasekar the problem is, they ARE mutually exclusive if you are talking about a single resource. You can NOT have both in a single place. You CAN have both, in two separate places. — barbecue 40 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cindy Meister
@CodyGray I can wait - no prob. Simply occurred to me while encountering a massive amount of such edits in the Review Queue that the issue is "in limbo" with the initiator out of the picture. I'm not interested in more Meta discussion, either (people can use chat) That's why I said to lock it for everything except up-/down-voting (assuming that would be possible). FWIW I have no strong feelings about the tags, either way. My concern is clarity, possibly reducing traffic in the queue... and avoiding endless discussions, such as the comments to the Q. — Cindy Meister 5 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Machavity
Yeah, 80k questions would be the largest burnination of all time — Machavity 58 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cindy Meister
@Machavity Which is a reason some have been assiduously removing the tag... — Cindy Meister 45 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cindy Meister
@CodyGray Anytime you want to discuss there is the Meta Room Owners' chat available — Cindy Meister 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
I don't think Shog was planning on a burnination, and I certainly am not. That's why a CM is required, to use a tool that rewrites tags in the database based on a pattern. Shog has used such a tool before; I hope he passed it on to someone else. At this point, I'd say just handle the retags the way you normally would. If it doesn't improve the question in any meaningful way, then reject. Otherwise, approve. Flag noisy/obsolete comments for removal. @Cindy — Cody Gray ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
Comments are not for extended discussion; this conversation has been moved to chat. — Cody Gray ♦ 34 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cindy Meister
If you would put from "At this point... " to the end in an Answer (plus anything else you consider relevant), I'd accept that. It would make the info visible and something we can point to when necessary. — Cindy Meister 1 min ago
 
8:10 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by VLAZ
My problem with the Triage is that Unsalvageable is also where the votes for dupe or typo are. So, a question mighy look like it's OK (decent description, what appears to be context and relevant code, etc) but I may lack the expertise, to recognise it as something that has been asked before or if it's a small problem with the code. And there is an even sneakier one - the question might lack enough details to be answerable. Also close-voteable but also something I might not be able to spot without enough background knowledge. So, it's very hard to say a "foreign" question Looks OK... — VLAZ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by gusmally supports Monica
In the post, they mentioned that they coded 2,000+ answers, but didn't say how they chose those answers or the total they received. Given the current state of distrust between the community and SO the company, I'm worried that they could have chosen answers that bolster their agenda. — gusmally supports Monica 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Adam Lear
I couldn't reproduce what you're seeing here, but I did find another bug along the way. It should be fixed in production now. Mind checking if it resolved your issue as well? If not, do you have any browser extensions running that might be getting in the way? Any chance you could post some screenshots of what you're seeing? — Adam Lear ♦ 38 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter - Reinstate Monica
You speak my mind to a degree that I feel all warm and fuzzy ;-). — Peter - Reinstate Monica 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by deceze
@gusmally Even if so, those top three points they picked do seem like top concerns, and their plans on mitigating them seem entirely reasonable, judging from the 30000ft overview they gave. It may still turn out to be a load of betrayal, but I find second guessing everything too exhausting. — deceze ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter - Reinstate Monica
@Pchandrasekar You don't need elections on Judaism; simply reinstate Monica. — Peter - Reinstate Monica 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lundin
@peterh-ReinstateMonica And what makes you think I wasn't buying any of that? Specifically, it was job adverts. Huge waste of money since candidate matching was non-existent. Most importantly: there exists no magic unknown companies that haven't heard to SO for 10 years and suddenly pops up out of the blue want to buy the products. Those who were willing to do that were 100% existing users. — Lundin 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by senderle
@Makoto one has a relatively clear, agreed-upon meaning in this context, while the other doesn't. I assume if "off topic" obviously applied, you would have used it instead, no? — senderle 12 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Travis J
This type of post is best suited for a blog. You should phrase this as an actual question which is set up in a way that supports community feedback for discussion, and post this as an answer. — Travis J 16 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lundin
Also there is nothing to agree or disagree with here. This is just a personal message from a leaving user/customer to Pchandrasekar, who was not around when the chain of destruction started. If it wasn't already obvious, someone needs to tell him he's been appointed as Captain to Titanic and that there's a slight iceberg problem in the keel. — Lundin 23 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Martijn Pieters
Using tools is fine, we just don't give you recommendations on what to use. — Martijn Pieters ♦ 30 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by peterh - Reinstate Monica
@Lundin Yes, SO makes the hits, and attracts the visitors to paid products. So should it happen, if I understand their logic, this is what they are trying to optimize, only they are doing it on a psychotic Big Company way (while they are a medium company). — peterh - Reinstate Monica 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Martijn Pieters
simply asks for tools: that's explicitly off-topic. — Martijn Pieters ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Martijn Pieters
At any rate, once you reach 3k and can cast reopen votes you'll find that reopening doesn't require picking a reason. — Martijn Pieters ♦ 21 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Patrice
I mean, if I pick 5 words of a help center article with no other context.... it's easy to make it say anything. Read the whole article :) — Patrice 24 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Martijn Pieters
Specifically, from what is on-topic help page: Some questions are still off-topic, even if they fit into one of the categories listed above: [...] Questions asking us to recommend or find a book, tool, software library, tutorial or other off-site resource are off-topic for Stack Overflow as they tend to attract opinionated answers and spam. Instead, describe the problem and what has been done so far to solve it. — Martijn Pieters ♦ 2 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by gusmally supports Monica
@deceze I appreciate your optimism! Hiding questions that need improvement does sound promising — gusmally supports Monica 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Keith Thompson
@visibleman At least that's not as bad as having the logo appear on every occurrence of the tag. But it does raise questions about the policy requiring copyright (presumably actually trademark) on a tag name before allowing sponsorship. — Keith Thompson 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Patrice
If I need to help you out, I'd need to be able to reproduce your issue. How do I do that with one line of code? It's... unfortunate.... but It's not currently something developers can help you with :/ — Patrice 5 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Martijn Pieters
Your question hinges on a specific file not being readable by the Python stdlib wave module. That makes it really hard to reproduce. Unless you can convey some other info about it, you may have to accept the question can't be made on topic. Sorry. — Martijn Pieters ♦ 2 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Martijn Pieters
Ah, the traceback gave someone enough info there. I should have searched the exception message there. Your WAV format is not supported by the library. — Martijn Pieters ♦ 1 min ago
 
9:12 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter - Reinstate Monica
@Script47 "the goal of this site was not to help new beginners": It is now. The exponential growth which is the business target clearly requires a focus on beginners. — Peter - Reinstate Monica 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Machavity
[ Boson ] New comment posted by De Novo
I apologize to anyone who took offense to my linking the relevant help section article. — De Novo 1 min ago
 
9:32 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Frank
Another option might be to run the whole thing as a new kind of giant multisig smart contract with reputation supplanted with deposit forfeiture, and participation as a decentralised paywall. — Frank 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by De Novo
CMs (SO staff) have helped out with this every time I've asked (use the contact us link at the bottom of the page). SO moderators (volunteers) are likely to decline a flag that lists deadnaming as a reason for comment deletion, regardless of whether the flag is valid for other reasons. — De Novo 20 secs ago
 
9:50 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Heretic Monkey
You might also consider editing, or asking the OP to edit, the title. The current one does not "summarize the problem" as indicated in How to Ask. — Heretic Monkey just now
 
10:10 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by JK.
You asked "What do with closed questions that are “off-topic” but imo aren't?". The help page clearly says that this type of question is off topic. Your opinion doesn't change the fact that it is 100% off topic. — JK. 26 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by DarkCygnus
I saw that some of those resignation posts had bounties on it, effectively promoting the post a bit (not as much as a featured one though). I think there is nothing stopping people from giving bounties to answers they think are worth it... ;) — DarkCygnus 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
Nobody took offense, @DeNovo, I just don't think it's a valid use of the "off-topic" close reason. — Cody Gray ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by J...
@Christian Also, the other main KPI that is being thrown around is new user signups - growing a userbase with raw numbers as the success metric. This makes sense if you're trying to build a userbase to farm all of that sweet, sweet personal data from them as a corporate asset, but it does nothing whatsoever to improve the quality of the site. — J... 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by SecretAgentMan
May I recommend the good, old fashioned Skip button? — SecretAgentMan 1 min ago
 
10:52 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by De Novo
@CodyGray thanks for the clarification. That makes sense. I thought it was effectively a duplicate. Since you can't select a help article as a duplicate target, I used a custom off topic close reason. I can see how that would be better as an answer. — De Novo 2 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by senderle
I think this is an interesting and fairly expressed response. However, I should note that originally, the post was not deleted by a diamond moderator. That came after. — senderle 32 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Thailo
@Cody Gray, it feels like you're assuming I don't have much experience in general given your somewhat schoolish explanation. IMHO it'd be more efficient if I were given some kind of pre-selected choice instead of random stuff (or so it seams). I think I second VLAZ opinion, because I don't like skipping, want to help and just happen to disagree with the "subject-matter expertise should not be required in order to correctly Triage questions" part. So a simple answer of "No" to my question if it is possible or not would have sufficed too. Anyway, that's my 2c for today. Thanks for your answer. — Thailo 47 secs ago
 
11:30 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zev Spitz
Why do you think new askers will bother looking through a list of frequently asked questions? Real help vampires are only interested in resolving their problem as quickly as possible, and presume someone on Stack Overflow will be willing to do it for them. And IMO, to the extent that the asker is not a help vampire and doesn't presume this, they will already have searched online for resources with precisely this kind of information before clicking on the "Ask a Question" button. — Zev Spitz 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Catija
@Klors But that's exactly what things like the question wizard are designed to address. If a user is guided in how to improve their question before they ask it, it's more likely to be higher quality, less likely to be off topic, and we may help them find a duplicate before they even ask... and we're seeing feedback that the new duplicate guidance is helping people find duplicates more useful or know better how to react to an incorrect duplicate closure... and we'd like to continue working on this. — Catija ♦ 1 min ago
 
11:54 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Catija
@nvoigt I'm female. I have spent a non-zero amount of time complaining about people referring to me as "him" or "Sir". I've corrected people, too... It is stressful, annoying, frustrating, etc... to have people assume that you're the gender of the "majority" because the default in tech is male. On top of that, if I correct someone, there is no point where it's appropriate to have the response be "Really? You're smart for a girl!" This happens. It hurts. It's not political to want to be treated with respect or to not want to have to regularly correct people assuming your gender as male. — Catija ♦ 1 min ago
 
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