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12:02 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Patrick Mevzek
@SamuelLiew Thanks. — Patrick Mevzek 47 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Samuel Liew
@PatrickMevzek no, the review ban was just to get your attention here. Since it has served its purpose I've lifted the review ban. Do keep in mind what was discussed above, including do not improve edit or approve minor edits, especially those that doesn't make an off-topic post become on-topic — Samuel Liew ♦ 2 mins ago
 
12:24 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Hans Passant
Well, consider it flagged. What users don't know yet is why an upvoted answer got deleted as well. That's new. — Hans Passant 21 secs ago
 
12:48 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by S.S. Anne
@PatrickMevzek No, just making a joke. — S.S. Anne 15 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Don't Panic
You are correct. — Don't Panic 17 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Julian Tiemann
The link is broken — Julian Tiemann 1 min ago
 
1:32 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Script47
From the outside it looks as if SE is simply hiding behind weasel words. — Script47 just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Julian Tiemann
um. I cannot flag it for undeletion as I am not a 10k mod — Julian Tiemann 1 min ago
 
1:50 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by jscs
Well done, @SamuelLiew (and the other mods, I assume). — jscs 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Samuel Liew
I'll be pruning some comments here. Let's continue the discusson in The Meta Room, or Tavern on Meta SE, or Discord. — Samuel Liew ♦ 2 mins ago
 
2:28 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Anton Menshov
@JulianTiemann you should flag it for moderator attention with a short explanation. — Anton Menshov 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by L. F.
@Julian With 15 rep, you can flag for mod attention. 10k is not necessary. — L. F. 10 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Samuel Liew
@L.F. for clarification, Julian (OP) couldn't flag it because it was in a state (deleted) that was not visible/available to low-rep users, as well as users who did not answer the question. — Samuel Liew ♦ 39 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by L. F.
@Samuel Hmm, that’s right. I missed that. OP can still flag an arbitrary post and include a link to the deleted question, though, right? — L. F. 6 secs ago
 
3:06 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Deborah
Thank you for this good answer. As a user, I was appalled by the handling of events that led up to the moderator resignations (had I been a moderator, I would have resigned too). As a user, I now tend to interact with other answer channels that are not part of the Stack Overflow family - this means, Stackoverflow is my last choice instead of my first choice to post or answer questions. — Deborah 32 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Deborah
Yes, I am a user who is just as fed up as the moderators. My frustration began three years ago when a Stackoverflow stakeholder posted a highly political rant that attempted to shame and discourage users who didn't agree into leaving. The recent events, which I find appalling, are the outcome of that way of thinking. As a user, I no longer come to Stackoverflow first, and I seldom post or interact. It is no longer a community, and the content comes with an unacceptable price. — Deborah 57 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by JL Peyret
OK, call me a bit confused with this: focusing on creating profits. In as far as at least the Monica side of things goes, it doesn't seem to be motivated by profits. It does seem like a bizarre entanglement of good intentions - "let's be respectful to users with xyz gender/pronoun preferences", but then went seemed to go overboard in the other direction and made a mountain of a molehill. But it wasn't due to profit seeking. — JL Peyret 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by camille
I can imagine a point at which people were voting to close the question/keep it closed when half the question was complaining ("Srysly tho, when I have to wait so long for an answer it ruins my day") instead of code. That's just not useful for anybody. — camille 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Andreas -he-her-
@Cubo78 All the time I spend trying to find interesting questions to answer, just gets spent on downvotes and close flags instead. The few times I find a nice question, another more experienced programmer has usually landed there before me. I wouldn't consider myself an expert, but I'm qualified of contributing with good answers. — Andreas -he-her- 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Mukyuu
@Cubo78 Re: "Example...provided 18k rep to the asker and 25k rep to the best answerer" I think you can't just treat it as rep x point rewarded flatly. Do you aware of the rep daily limit (200)? — Mukyuu 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by curiousdannii
Using two tags, npm and semver, would make the most sense to me. — curiousdannii 1 min ago
 
4:14 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Mukyuu
And don't forget the justification version stackoverflow.com/revisions/59670770/4Mukyuu 33 secs ago
 
4:40 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Manohar Reddy
@Chris There are already 2 open source projects in progress codidact and topanswersManohar Reddy 21 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cœur
Let's call it "Eternal January" (in parallel to Eternal September) — Cœur just now
 
5:14 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by jscs
The new CoC is not even remotely close to being the root. (Not to mention that a reasonable portion of us who are pissed off are in favor of correct pronoun usage.) You can start here (note the date): What does our long term community need? What does our long term community need to feel valued? and work your way back to 2014 to see how deep this goes. (Also essential reading from a year and a half ago: Dear Stack Overflow, we need to talk). — jscs 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by jwdonahue
Most of the time, the issues are NPM or some other tool specific, not actually SemVer related. When you tag a post with [c], you don't also tag it with [if] simply because the source code uses if statements. Similarly, the presence of a SemVer string in a "how to specify a range in NPM?" type of question, does not always warrant a SemVer tag, unless there is a question regarding SemVer precedence. — jwdonahue 44 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cubo78
@Mukyuu that's why I called it an example. Does this approssimation affect my logic? Does this change the fact that this guy had just to answer 99 more questions to get a gold badge? Does this change the fact that an answer providing a smart implementation of a boson mass calculation will get at most 1 or 2 upvotes? (it's another silly example. Don't focus too much on it :) ). — Cubo78 59 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by VLAZ
"Fundamentally, this is about a policy regarding use of personal pronouns!" not even remotely close to true. The CoC was a catalyst for a chain of events that are now, in the public mind, the worse offence SE has had against its community. However, fundamentally, it's the growing gulf between management and community that's been at the heart of it. The CoC change itself doesn't even come close to being a big issue, had it not come with the dismissal of a moderator. This could equally have been the result of anything else came with a well known moderator being removed. — VLAZ 13 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
Your conclusions are incorrect. None of the Stack Overflow moderators--the ones who have resigned and the ones who remain--were opposed to the policy regarding use of personal pronouns. Contrary to some of the public smear campaigns conducted by employees of Stack Exchange, none of us are or were bigots. In fact, many of us are strong advocates for trans rights in our personal lives. What many of us had a problem with was the way that the policy was imposed, not its contents. And at this point, we are way beyond that. — Cody Gray ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by jscs
This is a stellar answer. Worthy of a bounty, if that were possible. — jscs 40 secs ago
 
5:48 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by aparente001
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
"Where has that trust gone?" Indeed. And yes, of course you are allowed to voice your opinion on this. I'm going to ensure that you have that right as long as the tools to do so are available to me. If you haven't already, you should review the discussion about this on the global Meta. — Cody Gray ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by cs95
I'm sorry that this post comes across as cynical, but it's been a long day and I've not seen a single pleasant post on this site for a long time. — cs95 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zac Faragher
So Moderator Resignations are only allowed to be tagged for 24 hours, but when CM/Mods are fired/let go with minimal warning, it's allowed to stay up longer? Shog's farewell has been featured for 3 days now — Zac Faragher 20 secs ago
 
6:24 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by wp-overwatch.com
And in general, when SO does not seek the community's input on new changes, it's because they already know they are going to do what is most profitable, and not what the community wants. — wp-overwatch.com 37 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by wp-overwatch.com
What I meant by that is that the leadership could be entirely focused on profit making activities such as Stack Overflow for Teams and their other projects, and have disregarded the community in the process. What happened with the code of conduct could be the result of leadership making sure potential customers aren't hearing about people getting offended for LGBTQ reasons, and them trying to create some good PR stories. Getting rid of Shog9 and Robert could be about their roles having little to do with producing profit for the company. — wp-overwatch.com 41 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by wp-overwatch.com
Not that I actually think all of those statements are completely true, and I don't think it's 100% about profit, especially what happened to Monica has little to do with money, but I do think that money is a big driving factor for why Stack Overflow is becoming so out of touch with their community. Although I did read this from a SO board member today meta.stackexchange.com/questions/340697/… Also there's twitter.com/shog9/status/1217543603179835393wp-overwatch.com 54 secs ago
 
6:40 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
This is one big concern for me — yivi 12 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by wp-overwatch.com
Other than that, there is just a big lack of transparency and communication as to what Stack Exchange is trying to do, but based on the way they haven't been including us, I do feel like their more concerned with money right now. I do believe they've just been living off venture capital, and so I do understand the need to make money, but I'm not asking that they start developing new features for us, it's just the way they have been managing the company that has been a problem. — wp-overwatch.com 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by wp-overwatch.com
Anyhow, I'll link to this post as well that I just I came across. They are some very interesting points made as to what those in leadership might be thinking. meta.stackexchange.com/questions/335352/…wp-overwatch.com 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by V2Blast
(Just a heads-up: you misspelled his username.) — V2Blast 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by ivarni
@yivi That's exactly what I was thinking when I heard about those projects. The pendulum might easily swing too far back. — ivarni 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
Did the view you saw include the comment (currently at a score of +3) saying, "This code does not produce this output."? How did that factor into your review, if at all? — Cody Gray ♦ just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by dwjohnston
@CodyGray Good question. Not at all. It's possible that this is a typo like question - in which case - the close flag reason should be different? — dwjohnston 33 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Mukyuu
 
7:40 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lundin
@muru Roomba doesn't delete questions with accepted answers, as far as I know. — Lundin 17 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by tripleee
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Robin Davies
@Cody Gray: Not none of the moderators. Nathaniel on Christianity, and Caleb on Christianity both resigned and both made it clear that they disagree with the CoC (too easy). And I'm quite sure there are others. For those who do support the CoC (who I am sure are a majority), you really need to play politics better and pick another issue to get upset about. It is not in the best interests of the site to have a culture war over the CoC. And the second issue gets decided by lawyers, not moderators. Seeing as I appreciate the enormity of the original cock-up that led to that gruesome compromise. — Robin Davies 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
You'll notice, Robin, that I did say "Stack Overflow moderators". And I think we did pick our battles pretty reasonably. Nobody resigned over the Code of Conduct. The resignations that did occur were essentially over the way Monica was treated, which wasn't a Code of Conduct issue, since Monica is a huge advocate for gender equality. — Cody Gray ♦ 32 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Robin Davies
@VLAZ: Fundamentally, it is about a growing gulf between management and moderators, not management and community. Long term users care about the quality of answers to our questions; and about balancing our karmic debt by contributing good answers when we can. Users don't actually care whether good policy is imposed by management or whether it's approved by an arcane process that doesn't actually work or make sense. And while we are grateful to moderators for the very difficult job they do, we don't really want moderators running our site any more than we want accountants running our jobs. — Robin Davies 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Robin Davies
@Cody Gray: Fair point. Although I was intrigued by the fact that Stack Overflow moderators where in a huge minority among those who resigned. — Robin Davies 59 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Matthieu M.
@user56reinstatemonica8: I may not agree with the idea of Github interaction (or any other external site), but I completely agree with the idea that it may wel be time to take the lessons learned and move on. I like the idea of Stack Overflow, but see no reason to be loyal to a company who isn't. — Matthieu M. 19 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
On the contrary, I think you were cherry-picking from among the moderators who resigned in the aftermath of the Monica/CoC scandal. But yeah, I think Stack Overflow moderators are, in many ways, quite different from the moderators on other Stack Exchange sites. I was just noting earlier today that none of the SO mods changed their user names to indicate support for Monica or any other "pet" agenda. Why? I don't know exactly why. But moderating a site as visible and active as SO demands an extreme standard of dedication and professionalism, something unprecedented on all other SE sites. — Cody Gray ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
The clock icon in the sidebar was added very recently, but it links to a page that has always been visible. It is not possible to see who downvoted (or upvoted) your post in the timeline view. There are no privacy concerns here. — Cody Gray ♦ 10 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Maharkus
It's getting harder and harder not to jump to conclusions, when all we are getting is snippets of information, that do not explain anything whatsoever. It seems that almost every statement made by SE has some underlying reasoning they are not putting into words leaving us with nothing of substance. They don't seem to have any incentive to communicate any longer. — Maharkus 1 min ago
 
8:42 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by VLAZ
@RobinDavies Are you calling high rep users "moderators"? Because to me a moderator means a diamond mod, not "a person who has some moderating privileges". High rep users are partly moderators, true. Well, all users are but the more rep you have, the more tools you have at your disposal. — VLAZ 1 min ago
 
9:04 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by gerrit
You might want to clarify that the community moderators are actual employees, as not everyone reading this may realise that. — gerrit 21 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
@gerrit Community moderators are emphatically not employees. We are volunteers. We do not get paid and do not operate as agents of Stack Exchange (the company) in any capacity. — Cody Gray ♦ 30 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by gerrit
You might want to add that the community managers (corrected) are actual employees (who got fired), as not everyone reading this may be aware of it. — gerrit 24 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by mkrieger1
@gerrit Did you mean community managers? — mkrieger1 2 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Geoff Griswald
@Telkitty the new people will obviously provide as good answers as outgoing curmudgeons. About 20% of the population is smart, 80% is dumb. There's a lot of people in that 20% waiting to fill Shog's shoes. I didn't assume that the new mods would eventually become as entitled as current mods, they obviously will, but it takes a long time for that to happen, years. — Geoff Griswald 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Geoff Griswald
You're overestimating the contribution of one mod. Sure, he was a good mod, but ultimately irrelevant to the success or failure of the site. — Geoff Griswald 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by CertainPerformance
@CodyGray That tripped me up too when looking at a similar situation - audits do sometimes remove comments — CertainPerformance 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by CertainPerformance
You're right, but The comment even has a couple of upvotes. That should be a strong hint that something is amiss with the post. audits sometimes have their comments removed — CertainPerformance 42 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
Yes, that's true. I removed that bit, since in the end the presence or absence of a comment is secondary. That a comment exist does not mean that a comment is right, and that a comment does not exist does not mean that the question is fine. Thanks. — yivi 15 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tadeusz Kopec
@MartijnPieters &allReaders What do you think of my update? — Tadeusz Kopec 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Trilarion
@TadeuszKopec Why deleting this question? It's already closed. Most probably it will become forgotten quite soon anyway. — Trilarion 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tadeusz Kopec
@Trilarion Since yesterday it got closed twice and reopened once. Now it has 3 reopen votes. I'm not sure how many close/reopen cycles are possible. At the moment it does not look like it is going to be forgotten. — Tadeusz Kopec 1 min ago
 
9:54 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ahmed Abdelhameed
IMO, not yet; but they're heading in that direction. — Ahmed Abdelhameed 30 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tadeusz Kopec
Sorry, I haven't done my daily update and missed meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/392991/…. I revoke my declaration of deleting. — Tadeusz Kopec 38 secs ago
 
10:38 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by arnt
I am one of the <5 users who answer on one tag, and <x on another, not sure what x is but some questions do go unanswered. I wish to comment today merely to say that I am offended by the way the company blames answerers for rudeness. — arnt 1 min ago
 
10:50 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by kleopatra
to post hurtful words and attack Stack employees, other mods, teammates, and community members (taken from the citation of Juan's post here) already is the spin ;) From what I have read so far, might be partly true only for the first group (and only when They deserved it) but not the other three .. generating-truth-by-repeating-untruth seems to be spreading rapidly — kleopatra 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick A
@undo thanks for re-featuring this, even if it didn't last long — Nick A 48 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by ouflak
I'm not sure I agree that high rep 20+ equals ability to moderate any better than any of us low-rep users. But this is a point that seems to either vanish in the ether, or cause an explosion of ridiculous philosophical debate. — ouflak 20 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by w-m
The sharp drops at the end of the active user graph is misleading, as only about half of January 2020 has passed so far. Of course there are much fewer users having written 10 answers in 17 days, compared to a whole month. — w-m 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ahmed Abdelhameed
Well, apparently not yet then. But, IMO, they're heading in that direction. — Ahmed Abdelhameed just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick A
Does this answer your question? Response tab UI seems broken?Nick A 25 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tadeusz Kopec
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick A
np, I remembered seeing it a couple days ago — Nick A 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Adrian Mole
@NickA Yep! That's the same bug - couldn't find it myself, though. Thanks. — Adrian Mole 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Michael_B
Thank you for recognizing many of my answers with your canonical bounty. I wish you good luck with your future endeavors. — Michael_B 17 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Adrian Mole
@NickA Got it, now! (Need coffee...) — Adrian Mole 41 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Martijn Pieters
However much I can sympathise, this is not really the place to discuss ditching this place. So, like the MSE cross-site duplicate at If Stack Exchange ceased operations tomorrow, where would you go for Q&A?, I'm closing this question. Sorry. — Martijn Pieters ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Michael_B
Thank you for recognizing many of my Ns — Michael_B 2 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Michael_B
Thank you for recognizing many of my answers with your canonical bounty. Also, thank you for your overall contributions to this community, which were invaluable. I wish you good luck with your future endeavors. — Michael_B 15 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Martijn Pieters
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Michael Chourdakis
No problem, but when most of people have left there will be nothing to close. Keep on. — Michael Chourdakis 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick A
Because making good edits/flagging correctly doesn't mean you can review properly? They're completely different tasks — Nick A 31 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Martijn Pieters
Review bans have a fixed duration, making other contributions to the site doesn't alter this. That's not something that'll change, because editing posts is a completely different kind of action from reviewing. — Martijn Pieters ♦ 33 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ahmed Abdelhameed
@gnat Thanks for bringing such a great post to the attention. I didn't catch it when it was posted. This actually deserves to be featured. — Ahmed Abdelhameed 55 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by arnt
Fantastic answer, but the data assumes that the number of shitty/unanswerable questions doesn't change much, which seems uncertain. How about this query, that I can't express in SQL: For each month, select the number of users who have >1k reputation (now) and answered questions in each of the preceding three months, and none in the three following months, ie. high-rep leavers. Compared with the number of ones who started. — arnt 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Aragon S
There are 3 types of reviewing, Triage, Late answers, First posts and doing these reviews is almost as same as exploring questions and answers in the main page — Aragon S 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user253751
Hot Meta Posts. Hot Network Posts is still there; it seems to be quite a good money-maker. — user253751 2 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Martijn Pieters
@AragonS: there are eight types of review queue. — Martijn Pieters ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user253751
@CodyGray Sometimes the audits themselves are wrong, of course. — user253751 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick A
@AragonS Out of curiosity how would you review this post in triage (I picked it semi-randomly from the list of questions)? Looks OK, Requires Editing or Unsalvagable? and what reasoning would you give? — Nick A 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
Since you mention you are editing posts, I took a quick glance at your suggested edit history. Please be more careful. E.g. No need to edit a post that needs to be closed. Try to be more thorough in your edits. In this one you changed British spelling to American spelling (not necessary), added some code to the question that it's not clear where it comes from, and left some noise at the end. — yivi 47 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Aragon S
@NickA I think it requires editing — Aragon S 55 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Mr. Boy
I will say though this is a very balanced and non-partisan answer which I appreciate. — Mr. Boy 24 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Mr. Boy
>The veteran users are blamed for being rude, while in fact the root problem is the influx of poor quality questions - this is purely opinion based. I am a veteran user and I would say veteran users and the general atmosphere of the site is a far cry from the initial days. This may be exacerbated by the questions asked but ultimately it is up to users how they act. I feel the site has always been full of "write teh codez" questions. — Mr. Boy 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Rob
Is there anything in the answer you could edit to fix without going against the thrust of the author's argument? If so, you can edit it to unlock the votes. But, please, don't make trivial edits to do so. — Rob ♦ 58 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by machine_1
@MichaelChourdakis: Please do not be part of the problem. Be part of the solution. The storm will pass. Just do your part as a member of the community by answering questions professionally, and asking questions when you require help with a problem. — machine_1 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Rob
Then, unfortunately, there's no way to retract your vote. It's inconvenient, but that's the way the site is designed, for now. — Rob ♦ 30 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Mangat Rai Modi
No, the answer is just wrong. It can not be fixed and yes, I am against to trivially edit the answer just to undo upvote. — Mangat Rai Modi 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Journeyman Geek
Could we have a comparison to last year please? — Journeyman Geek 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by reirab
@Lundin I think that's the point. Since Roomba does delete questions that aren't answered, then the percentage of questions with an answer goes up for questions older than 1 year when Roomba runs. — reirab 14 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Mangat Rai Modi
Ok in that case, I will drop a comment in the question. — Mangat Rai Modi 49 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ctx
Your arguments sound very confusing, but I agree, that your answer should not have been deleted. This was a wrong and unnecessary decision of the responsible moderator. Yout opinion should be respected. — Ctx 51 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Fabien Snauwaert
@BhargavRao What's "we less than three developers" a reference to? — Fabien Snauwaert 17 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by deceze
Let's not sweep the comment the responsible moderator left under the rug: "Yet I make a comfortable living, teaching, mentoring, writing code freelance. Nor does this answer the question, you are just speculating about what our lives are like outside our Stack Overflow commitments. As such I'm deleting this."deceze ♦ 28 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Hovercraft Full Of Eels
The facts, of which you show noneHovercraft Full Of Eels 41 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by HelloWorld
@HovercraftFullOfEels Nothing was a guess. Everything derived from facts. Assuming moderator == expert is a BIG ASSUMPTION. — HelloWorld 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Rob
Because it's full of assumption and verges on disparaging moderators, it suggests/implies that they're not real programmers. It doesn't answer the question and only serves to denigrate moderators. — Rob 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
Something like that would need to be deleted for being rude. You are saying moderators are "not real programming experts" and that they "burn their life here". It's good it was deleted. — yivi 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Hovercraft Full Of Eels
That being said, it was a terrible answer, one that is degrading, assumes much and documents nothing — Hovercraft Full Of Eels 2 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by HelloWorld
@Ctx I don't mind downvoting, but my answer is unbiased and just facts. Might sound negative but true. — HelloWorld 2 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Hovercraft Full Of Eels
So, you appear to have a bone to grind with unpaid employees. I don't know why this is, but best to take your fight private — Hovercraft Full Of Eels 20 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by deceze
You're really saying that moderators have no impact on SO at all. Which may or may not be true, but if you think so, you should discuss why you think that is. The moderation system exists for a reason after all, and so far we've all assumed those reasons are sound. — deceze ♦ 41 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Rob
If we're going to judge user's programming skill by reputation points, you're well above the threshold of 'expert programmer', being in the top 6% of users. I'm not sure what you're getting at... but unless you're willing to group yourself into the users who 'burn their lives' on this site, perhaps you'd like to rephrase your answer? — Rob ♦ 51 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Hovercraft Full Of Eels
The moderators act in an employee capacity -- they do work, they can be fired, they maintain the site, and they are not paid. Please counter this. — Hovercraft Full Of Eels 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by HelloWorld
@HovercraftFullOfEels We're not employees. — HelloWorld 2 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Erik A
Your answer was not an answer to the question. That's why it should be and was deleted. Your stance towards moderators is not helpful and wrong, but that's secondary — Erik A 23 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Hovercraft Full Of Eels
Again they are doing volunteer work that many would be paid for. You are upset at them for some reason, and again, I don't know why, but frankly, I don't care. — Hovercraft Full Of Eels 2 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
@Erik It was an answer to the question. It was an offensive, uninformed answer, but it answered the question directly. Q: "Should I be worried?". A: "No, you shouldn't because of [drivel]". — yivi 56 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ctx
If the claims in the answer are wrong, the correct way to go is to dispute them verbally or downvoting. Just single-handedly hitting the delete button is lazy if you assume the best, and arrogant otherwise. — Ctx 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lundin
@machine_1 Part of which problem? The main problem currently is that the company is using mass censorship and getting rid of all unwanted elements, such as moderators, staff and customers. — Lundin 1 min ago
 
12:16 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
First of all, Martijn's name is not code. — yivi 28 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
Also, some users may be in China. — yivi 37 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ctx
@adiga You can't know, because the relevant posts were deleted. Unfortunately. — Ctx 54 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by HelloWorld
@adiga Moderator Martijn Pieters is enforcing this site like the Chinese Community Party. — HelloWorld 59 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by adiga
What exact action are you referring to? Are you comparing some sort of moderator intervention based on site rules to censorship in China? — adiga 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by adiga
[ Boson ] New comment posted by HelloWorld
@Rob Ok, thanks. What should I be adding? My answer was my view. Nothing will change that. How should I answer it so it won't get deleted by the same mod again and again? — HelloWorld 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Rob
HelloWorld, you're going to need to put a bit more effort into appearing to post in good faith if you'd like your posts to stick around. — Rob ♦ 2 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by ouflak
"How I maek program? Plaese halp! Thanks in Advanced." I'm trying to spend some time fighting that battle right now. — ouflak 15 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ctx
@adiga "Freedom of speech is a principle that supports the freedom of an individual or a community to articulate their opinions and ideas without fear of retaliation, censorship, or legal sanction.". So, your comic is funny, but does not reflect the real (or at least, the full) meaning of "free speech" at all. — Ctx 55 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by HelloWorld
@Rob I don't want to change my view, because this site doesn't force us to do it. How should I improve my answer so it won't get deleted again by the same mod is my question. — HelloWorld 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Rob
@HelloWorld Perhaps you should avoid provocative phrases, such as comparing a volunteer moderator to a member of the Chinese government. — Rob ♦ 2 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Rob
@HelloWorld You definitely can see, view and link to your recently deleted posts. In fact, you did all three on your last question — Rob ♦ 8 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by HelloWorld
@yivi Everyone in the resignation post was about why a mod resignation would affect the community. I was trying to prove otherwise. And got backfired. — HelloWorld 30 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
Free speech is seriously curtailed on this site. Fortunately. You post off-topic stuff? You'll get censored. You post insulting stuff? You get censored. Etc. Etc. It's a curated repository after all. — yivi 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by HelloWorld
@sth I can't access it because I'm not a mod. A mod needs to do it. — HelloWorld 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by sth
You should link to that answer you are talking about or at least describe the problem/context in more detail. As it currently is written it's hard to tell what happened that you take offense, and impossible to judge if you are in the right. — sth 2 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by HelloWorld
@yivi No it's not, they were just facts. I was just pointing out something that was rock solid true. — HelloWorld 38 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Temani Afif
@Rob why keeping such post and not delete it? — Temani Afif 49 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
Your "answer" was insulting and demeaning to moderators. It was correctly deleted. — yivi 2 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Rob
@TemaniAfif Because, we've already been accused of censorship. If this goes off the rails again, then yes, it'll be deleted. It's closed now, and if the community sees it fit to re-open and properly answer it, then I'm all for it. — Rob ♦ 11 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by HelloWorld
@yivi I was saying we can't assume a moderator is an expert automatically. I didn't say they were or weren't. Just because someone being a mod doesn't mean being an expert. — HelloWorld 40 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
No, you were not stating any "fact". You said that moderators were not real experts, and that real experts wouldn't volunteer and help for free. That's not a fact. That's an insulting invention. — yivi 2 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Mena
I agree with everything, save for "It'll be much harder to find good quality questions that haven't already been answered when they were asked already." --> albeit true, this has nothing to do with the current state of affairs imo, and is rather a consequence of Q&A saturation on established languages/frameworks. — Mena 14 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by S.S. Anne
I haven't seen anything hurtful or attacking anybody on Madara's resignation. However, I am glad to the least extent that they allow these posts to be featured for 24 hours. — S.S. Anne 56 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by ouflak
I agree with what's tragically happened at Wikipedia (that's a whole other discussion). But I think the opposite has happened at SE with moderation. Here the moderators have truly invested into this whole Q&A site idea, and most of them are users. I think it is other interests that have become 'unglued' from the maintainence of this site. And, as strange as this may sound, these interest groups are almost fighting each other, to the detriment of everybody involved, most importantly, the common users of the site who come here for help. Lots of perspective lost, on all sides in my opinion. — ouflak 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lundin
@MichaelChourdakis "Should we try to build ourselves one alternative?" Early work in progress: codidact.orgLundin 50 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by kscherrer
If these Goodbye posts are misused to attack SE employees in comments, then these comments should probably be moderated. If the mods can't keep up, maybe add more mods, or just don't fire them without reason? The solution can not be to minimize the posts featured time. Blaming the community once more for your own mistakes, well done Juan. — kscherrer 53 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Rob
I would attempt to refute the statements you've made, but based on your previous answer to this question and your question that were deleted, I suspect the wall wouldn't listen — Rob 22 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by S.S. Anne
If you can fix grammar or spelling or punctuation that's not trivial and allows you to retract your upvote. — S.S. Anne 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ocramius
Probably best to alias laminas and zendframework, same for zend-expressive and mezzioOcramius 33 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Rob
We'll agree to disagree, but this is a fair answer. However, your second point is irrelevant. Users are not elected due to their programming skills. In fact, people are advised not to flag issues that only an expert can resolve. — Rob ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick A
Just commenting to express my amusement that both comments are from different Robs — Nick A 34 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Larnu
Commenting seems like the best course of action here. The OP may never reply, but at least others may read your points. Votes are always based on your opinion of the post at the time; and opinions and technology can and does change. There's nothing wrong with the vote being there, if you felt it was right at the time, as you agreed with its answer and so the vote served its purpose. The same is true for downvotes (though hopefully people will edit their answer to address any constructive comments, if someone leaves them, and not play the childish revenge vote game...) — Larnu 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Rob
@NickA Then you'll love this: meta.stackoverflow.com/a/366140Rob ♦ 18 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by deceze
I do see your point. Fundamentally, no, we simply don't know how exactly this will play out and what the consequences will be. Can't exactly say the site's been trouble free until it really hit the fan recently. It's just as plausible that rotating the regulars and bringing in a new generation will do the site some good in the long run. Who knows? Or it may be the final nail in the coffin, as many have predicted for a long time. We'll see… — deceze ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by kleopatra
in such a case, I do trivially edit the answer and leave both an edit comment and a plain comment explaining why .. an incorrectly voted post is not just inconvenient, IMO. — kleopatra 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by F1Krazy
"Stackoverflow has no serious competition." Correct. "Our programming experts will stay because they don't have anywhere else to go." Incorrect. People are already developing their own alternatives to Stack Exchange, the most prominent being Codidact. Pretty much the entire Writing.SE community has already migrated there, including its mods, all of whom have resigned. — F1Krazy 54 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick A
Ummm, I dunno which Rob to reply to... so, thanks Rob, this has made the last few days much brighter <3 — Nick A 56 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by deceze
@F1Krazy That move worked for a relatively small community, sure. Whether it works for one as large as SO remains to be seen. It also remains to be seen whether the same problems will eventually kill that community… — deceze ♦ just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by F1Krazy
@deceze True. I just wanted to point out the absurdity of saying that "expert programmers" have "nowhere else to go" on the internet. They can literally make their own place to go, and indeed are already doing so. — F1Krazy 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Rob
@kleopatra Problem is, if everyone did that, we'd have a bunch of old posts bumped to the homepage. Sure, one person doing it isn't going to have an impact. But if everyone did it? That's another story. I agree, saying it's inconvenient is a bit of an understatement, but... that's just how things are, for now. — Rob ♦ 14 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by deceze
@F1Krazy It's not hard to "make a new place", that has been done many a time already. The crucial part is to attract the right people to that place at the right time. A new empty place isn't worth going to. And especially with expert programmers, they're often only interested in answering questions rather than asking them (because they can answer their own questions). A new place with too little good questions won't be very attractive to them either. — deceze ♦ 25 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Rob
@F1Krazy, and indeed did do - it's kinda the reason that SO actually exists.I'm sure there's a quote from BSG that's appropriate here. Something about what's happened before will happen again... =) — Rob 1 min ago
 
1:30 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dalija Prasnikar
The alternative you would like is a equivalent of trash can... Nope, we should not build such alternative... it would be as useful as last winters snow. — Dalija Prasnikar 19 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tadeusz Kopec
"You ask a question, get an answer. Move on. How would a moderator resignation affect you??" Like - you ask a question and get a lmgtfy link? You ask a question and the only answer is RTFM? You ask a question and 5 minutes later it is on 15th page in stackoverflow.com/questions because all students from five courses decided to throw their exercises verbatim as questions and there are 150 identical, low quality questions before yours, good one? — Tadeusz Kopec just now
 
1:46 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by SecretAgentMan
"I'm not familiar with the technology that this user is asking about" -- never forget your friend the skip button. — SecretAgentMan 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tensibai
@kscherrer You're doing the same here, blaming Juan for something he's just the messenger and has no weight over. — Tensibai 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Mr PizzaGuy
I don't see a reason for stack overflow to shut down anytime soon so I don't think we'll need to worry about making an alternative for a very long time :) — Mr PizzaGuy 1 min ago
 

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