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[ Boson ] New comment posted by Mr PizzaGuy
jesus christ, is this what the world has become? Don't respect someone because they don't have any real power in the world or they aren't getting paid. Well tell you what, without people like Madara, you would't be on this site. People like you don't deserve things like this. — Mr PizzaGuy 1 min ago
 
2:14 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by kscherrer
@Tensibai 1) this is not a resignation post. It's a post to discuss about exactly this issue. 2) I did write poorly indeed - its not Juans mistakes its the mistakes of the decision makers. But he speaks of we throughout the message, so I assume he is part of it. My criticism goes to whoever came up with these decisions. — kscherrer 51 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick A
When I was doing my suggested edits today I noticed that the second reviewer that rejected your suggestion seemed a bit... on the button when it came to the spam/vandalism option for tag edits, i'll see if I can look out examples. — Nick A 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by kleopatra
@Rob me isn't everybody <g> plus a) in my experience it doesn't happen too often (once or twice a year or so) b) a change of vote might be important enough to make it to the front page or not, don't really care. For me an incorrect vote is definitely worse than bubbling to the front page. If it would turn out to be a problem, changing votes would have to be added as an option. — kleopatra 20 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Davis Broda
@FabienSnauwaert On the homepage of stackoverflow, there is (was?) a line that says "We <3 people who code". While it is obviously intended to mean "we <heart> people who code" the community jokingly started saying that stackoverflow only had 2 developers working for them, based on an intentionally overly-literal reading of the text. — Davis Broda 57 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Robert Longson
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lundin
Your advise is some 4 months too late though.... meta.stackexchange.com/questions/333965/…Lundin 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dave Newton
"... veteran users are blamed for being rude, while [a] root problem is the influx of poor quality questions." This. It's difficult to provide concise, meaningful feedback. That's why I advocated for a "reframing" of the voting/commenting process and asked for better canned responses, which was thoroughly and resoundingly rejected. — Dave Newton 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick A
As mentioned in the comments it might be worth looking back at their other reviews as well (at least tag edits) — Nick A 24 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tensibai
@kscherrer my point was really only about the last 3 words which are the alleged reason of not featuring posts, personal attacks :) Out of that I agree with the overall message, but clamming "comments attacking employees should be moderated" and attacking an employee in the same comment did sounds strange to me :) — Tensibai 29 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lundin
Why are you assuming that the person asking the question has made any effort what-so-ever? — Lundin 45 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ruzihm
@NickA Looks like a mod just retroactively approved my edit! — Ruzihm 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick A
So my suggestion is mod flag for bad reviewing in general or wait for a mod to weigh in on the situation here — Nick A 2 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Steve
May I downvote this two times? — Steve 44 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ruzihm
Thanks! Just waiting to be able to accept this answer now :) — Ruzihm 59 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by deceze
Do note the other rejection reason, suggesting to name it beef-lang. Not sure I'm onboard with that, but worth considering. — deceze ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ruzihm
@deceze Indeed, I can see the logic in their suggestion but since beef isn't a term to describe a programming technique, calculation, or problem, I don't think it's super urgent. — Ruzihm 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tensibai
Re: "If the poster has taken pain to write the question" <= In that case the question wouldn't be downvoted, someone taking care of searching before asking and explaining what they attempted when asking doesn't get downvoted. Doing that is showing respect to the person willing to help. — Tensibai 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dipu
Even the person has not put effort, we are not showing that person the right path instead we are penalizing by downvoting? Please read the code of conduct. — Dipu 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Larnu
If i can't downvote, how do I show that an answer is bad because it has a huge security flaw in it, or because it uses a WHILE loop in a set based language? HOw do I show that an answer is just plain wrong. Down Votes serve a purpose on Stack Overflow and it is not a Social Media platform; Twitter it is not. — Larnu 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Patrice
Dipu.... why did you go to Stack in the first place? Because it's easy to look at the content and look at the GOOD content, filtering out the cruft? Or is it because experts roamed this site and give answers? You know both of these phenomenon are because we have very strict moderation and guidelines. This is what made Stack the success it is, and downvotes are an integral part of this. Downvotes simply indicate "this post isn't up to the quality standards of this site". Notice how it says nothing about you? Stop acting as if it does. It's not easy, but it'll help your SO experience :). — Patrice 2 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user3002166
Is there a place in the web like the old stackoverflow - a place for technical discussions and zero politics? A viable alternative? — user3002166 just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by tukan
@Lundin Well, yes. I have read the link you are posting. I think if everyone starts to repeat this over and over maybe it will get through. If not well what is SO without devoted moderators and users? Nothing. If the company thinks otherwise, well there won't be any selling of the company or IPO, because of the sharp drop of everything on SO. Perhaps, ideal opportunity for some other community sites? — tukan 25 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dave Newton
There needs to be some mechanism around question quality. I've advocated for a different mechanism, or at least verbiage, but was resoundingly told it was a terrible idea. It isn't, but removing the mechanism altogether isn't the answer either. — Dave Newton 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
Let's pretend I downvoted this post, and that I offer the explanation that I did so because I found it to be "poorly researched, based on false assumptions, and generally not useful". Would that satisfy you? Would you feel any better about the downvote? — yivi 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by F1Krazy
"In a social media community everyone should be friendly like "Facebook, Twitter"" - setting aside the fact that this is not a social media platform, as a long-time user of both Facebook and Twitter, I find the notion of them being "friendly" is, to be blunt, hysterical. — F1Krazy 2 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Patrice
@Dipu ok, so the logic is even if someone posts a question that you can literally google the title to get the answer, I can't do anything? I have to answer nicely and gently? I can't help the OP to understand there are better ways to learn? That you should do your own research? Come on. Users disrespect everyone with half-assed, no research, "gimmecodez" posts, but I have to bend over backwards to help them out?.... I feel like saying no to that... — Patrice 2 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dipu
upvote is not quesitoned because it is in line with code of conduct where as down vote is not..stackoverflow.com/conduct...kindness and downvote doenst go together. Newbies not always wants code they want suggestions too. — Dipu 25 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by deceze
Yup, checking up there… — deceze ♦ 58 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ian Kemp
@user3002166 former SO members are currently building codidact.org which intends to be a site in the vein of how Stack Overflow was before it was ruined by greed. — Ian Kemp 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tensibai
@DaveNewton at the risk of getting totally off topic: I still believe the overall pile on (as here) is due to the system not guiding askers enough and failing badly at proposing relevant already answered questions. Changing the quality rating wouldn't solve the root cause IMHO — Tensibai 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Larnu
You mean the CoC that links to the help pages, which contains the page Why is voting important? @Dipu ? The apge that says "Voting is central to our model of providing quality questions and answers; it is how … ...incorrect content falls to the bottom. ... voting down a post signals the opposite: that the post contains wrong information, is poorly researched, or fails to communicate information." ? — Larnu 2 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Steve
Again, why do you take a downvote as a judgement about you? — Steve just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Larnu
" as a long-time user of both Facebook and Twitter, I find the notion of them being "friendly" is, to be blunt, hysterical." I assume the OP has had good enough luck to never have the "pleasure" of meeting a troll on twitter @F1Krazy . — Larnu 26 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
Yes, they do go hand in hand. — yivi 50 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dipu
My question is does code of conduct of SO and downvote goes hand in hand? can someone explain me just this? — Dipu 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Larnu
"Give an option to flag the down vote if not explained." so if 20 people downvote the same answer, do you expect 20 comments that say the same thing? How is that productive? — Larnu 2 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Patrice
@Tensibai amen to that. We let users post tired reposts of reposts of reposts... then the meta community answers in kind of a pile on fashion.... so the rep of meta that its murder gets deepened, and the NEXT user comes here with a bit more apprehension. Asking the same tired question..... Very vicious cycle :/. But yeah... showing better dupes, helping search, all of that... should help :/ — Patrice 3 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Patrice
@Dipu the users here are telling you yes. The problem is you see a downvote as an insult. Which it isn't. People aren't downvoting you, insulting you, or demeaning you. They are simply saying :"this post doesn't fit this site". If you get this emotional detachment, it'll make a lot more sense. Until you do, Stack will likely be a frustrating experience :/ — Patrice 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TylerH
@psubsee2003 and, since it's not mentioned yet here, a CM re-removed the tag after a mod added it back after another hour or two. — TylerH 40 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by kscherrer
@Tensibai Also, it's not clear to me that 'Juan is only the messenger'. You cannot deduce that from the message. It reads like he wrote it. If he agreed to be the messenger for something he does not stand behind, that is not my fault. — kscherrer 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
The company has gone through several rounds of funding. It's a bit too late to talk about this. The idea could be accomplished somewhere else, but not here. — yivi 2 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dipu
It is a judgement against my inability to write a proper question. All fingers in your hand are not of equal size. You are not guiding me but ditching me by downvoting — Dipu 2 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zhigalin
Due to recent events however, these resignations have become more and more a place for people to post hurtful words and attack Stack employees It's not due to recent events, it's due to SE inc deteriorating policy — Zhigalin 3 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Larnu
"It is a judgement against my inability to write a proper question" If a question is downvoted it probably because you've not provided a MRE, or shown any attempts. SO isn't a free coding service; the users here expect you to try and solve the problem yourself or research it. If I saw a question "HOw do I create a variable in SQL Server" I would expect that to get heavily downvoted; it's not a "bad" question but any search engine would have given the person the answer. it's not Useful to anyone, as the answer is already out there; the person just didn't bother trying. — Larnu 56 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user369450
SO is not supported to be any of those irrelevant points. SE regrettably is trying their hardest to make SO and the other network sites embrace those points. — user369450 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Patrice
@Dipu I don't even know you. You could be a bot for all I care. I care about your content and what you post on the site. I am not judging you in any way shape or form. I am using the quality mechanisms available on this site to provide feedback. To you, and to all other future users who may come with a similar question. That's always been the intent of the site. The downvotes help in that. If you wanna take it as a judgement against you.... I can't stop you. But I can tell you it's not what it is, and as long as you wanna see it this way, Stack will suck. — Patrice 2 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Larnu
"i am not always looking for free codes" That does suggest that sometimes you are then; those questions will never be received well. — Larnu 7 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by deceze
The goals of commercial success and "increasing the size of the library and maintaining its quality" should really be the same thing. I'm not sure about the main revenue stream of SE exactly, but surely having more eyes on the site must be a good thing. And you get eyes on the site if you have a large, quality library of good content. Optimising for any other metric should be counter productive, first qualitatively and subsequently eventually financially. — deceze ♦ 41 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ian Kemp
@GeoffGriswald Your assumptions are fatally flawed. Stack Overflow of today is no longer a site that experts want to be on because it is perpetually flooded with barely-literate "questions" that could be solved by 5 minutes of Googling. Experts don't have the time or patience to slog through mountains of sand to try to find a single pearl - so the old ones stop contributing, and the new ones quickly learn that their expertise is less valued than their ability to answer "gimme teh codez" questions, and they stop contributing. What you're left with is a wasteland. — Ian Kemp 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dipu
i am not always looking for free codes..i want some suggestions — Dipu 2 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tensibai
@kscherrer Well, that's part my own experience and part what transpire from other answer he made lately. Seems like he's the one on-duty to post the "announcements "this week. My point stand that your initial comment fully qualify to be moderated by the reasons at the start of the same comment (and here I don't talk of anything outside your own comment) :) — Tensibai 3 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Patrice
@Dipu and There is the root of the problem. Stack is not the site to give suggestions. It's not the place you go when you have an idea and need help implementing. It's not a place for "how do I do x? help me". It's more a place for "I read somewhere doing X would give me Z..... but it gives me Y. Based on A,B,C, I think it should give me Z. Can someone help me?". It's frustrating, yes, but do remember Stack is one site out of many. It's not intended to help with everything programming related. Use it for the right type of questions, it'll go well. — Patrice 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
Well, maybe you should change your title, where you explicitly ask "should Stack Overflow become a non-profit"? — yivi 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by machine_1
@yivi: Are you alluding to codidact.org? :) — machine_1 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ian Kemp
@GeoffGriswald Further, you're completely ignoring the fact that Stack Overflow's success is due in a massive part to the community of experts who have given their time and effort to curate the site, both in the form of moderation and by building tools that have become fundamental to its operation. Many of those experts are leaving or are no longer interested in continuing to maintain those tools when the community of which they are a part is actively being destroyed by the site's owners. The "new blood" of SO is wholly uninterested in that maintenance. — Ian Kemp 9 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
@machine_1 Not necessarily, I haven't looked at that project very closely yet, and I'm yet a bit sceptical. Time will tell. Hopefully I'm wrong, and either that one or topanswers.xyz (or something else entirely) will prove to be what it's needed. — yivi 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by tomRedox
@yivi duly amended — tomRedox 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
I don't know, the question it's either about Stack Overflow, in which case it doesn't make a lot of sense, or it's about creating another entity unrelated with SO/SE...in which case is not on-topic? Sorry, I don't see the question working. My apologies if it's me the one failing to understand. — yivi 14 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by deceze
We've already pretty much reached the same strictness and consequent number of complaints as Wikipedia, so going the entire way towards a Wiki Overflow backed by a StackMedia Foundation only makes sense. ;) — deceze ♦ 48 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Adrian Mole
@yivi One could merge your two options if the 'assumed question' were to be rephrased to allude to a comprehensive reassessment of the SE Inc. Board of Directors? — Adrian Mole 19 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Adrian Mole
@yivi Aah - sorry. — Adrian Mole 42 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ian Kemp
@GeoffGriswald As someone who has been here less than a year, you have no grounds to claim that. — Ian Kemp 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
@Adrian That question wouldn't make any sense. We do not discuss the company governance here. — yivi 2 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by meagar
Hey, I'm getting pinged by every reply here. If you want to continue the back-and-forth, could you please head over to chat? — meagar ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lundin
The Google search engine is very important to mankind too, since no matter what we think of that company, it is undeniably the best one around. Maybe we should propose to Google that they turn it open source and non-profit? P.S. I would also love to get my own live unicorn. Preferably a fluffy pink one, if possible. — Lundin 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Trilarion
Asking "should" is in my opinion too opinion-based. Rather ask "What would the advantages and disadvantage of X compared to Y be?" or "How could one transition from X to Y?", maybe also "Is X feasible?". — Trilarion 21 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tom
Interesting to know would be how those downvoted questions look like. Are the voters just more strict in comparison to earlier questions or are most questions just already asked and many new ones are just repeating the old stuff (and then getting downvoted because of that) — Tom 24 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TylerH
"right now there is no competition" nb - there is an attempt at making on happening at codidact.com, and that's ignoring all the other (failed) attempts to beat SO such as expertsexchange. — TylerH 53 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by gnat
[ Boson ] New comment posted by DavidG
Fair play to you Yvette for wanting to come back and help moderate, it's not something I would be giving my energy to. I've tried to fight in favour of SO for a while now, but I can't justify it any more. I used have so much respect for them, and they've eroded almost every last bit of it away. Save for a few well respected employees that remain there, they are now being actively hostile towards us. Such a sad state of affairs. — DavidG 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by enderland
I have logged out of Stack Overflow on my computers so I'm not tempted to actually answer/comment/edit. Wonder how many folks did that... — enderland 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user253751
corporate* - cooperate means something different. — user253751 13 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by deceze
Anecdotally speaking, these days I'm mostly closing and downvoting questions instead of answering them, since a lot lot lot of them are positively unanswerable these days. It's the rare occurrence nowadays to find a decent, answerable, non-duplicate question. My pet theory for that is that most questions have already been asked, and good programmers find and use them. The remaining rest are new students which through one way or another hear about SO as being the place, and they don't know and/or care about the quality standards and goals of the site. — deceze ♦ 53 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
Derp, thanks, @user253751 — Cerbrus 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Trilarion
@Tom Closed questions are exluded here. They may have been downvoted, but they were not closed as dupes yet. Interestingly there are ~15k new questions every month that get not deleted automatically (are not "abandoned") after a year, but have a negative score. That may be negatively scored questions with positively scored answers. — Trilarion 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by usr2564301
I have planned the ultimate revenge: I will give SO exactly the site that they are asking for. If low-effort questions are as welcome as the most deepest insights, I will happily answer them. If moderators deleting comments get painted "evil" and (cough) 'let go', I'll no longer flag comments. Et cetera. — usr2564301 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user253751
The question also conflates "should it be so?" with "should this particular group of people make it so?" — user253751 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by usr2564301
@enderland: I did that exactly one year ago. It didn't help. In fact, I think things got way worse. (Hopefully unrelated to my absence...) — usr2564301 49 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user253751
The answer to the second one is obviously "no", because why would you ever convert a for-profit company that is generating profit for you into a NFP? Especially one that's generating profit for investors. That part makes it illegal - I don't think you're allowed to deliberately deprive your investors of money. — user253751 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
@user253751 I'm sure that if we asked nicely they wouldn't mind. Investors are easy going as a rule. Also, we need to generate enough money in donations and what-not to support SO employees. Our target audience is much smaller thank Wikipedia. — yivi 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
@yivi: "Hey investors, remember when you invested <large sum of cash> into this site? We want to make the site non-profit. You'll never get your cash back, but it's for a good cause! Those programmers need their answers!" Yea, that's not gonna be appreciated. — Cerbrus 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
@Cerbrus Do you think they'll remember? Maybe they forgot. And it almost worked for WeWork... SO should have gone to SoftBank to ask for money. — yivi 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by HelloWorld
The time you spent on making the figures could have spent on improving the answer rate. Would that be one of the causes? — HelloWorld 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by deceze
@yivi I reckon it's worth a try. Let's get the new CEO right on that. — deceze ♦ 16 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ctx
The overall participation level on Stackoverflow seems to decrease significantly, at least in the tags I am active at. — Ctx 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tom
@HelloWorld Your last answer was from october last year, so why do you care more about politics than actually answering questions? — Tom 52 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cindy Meister
If your knowledge has now advanced to the point where you could post a better answer (that's not already written), write a better answer. Then comment (as others have suggested) and point to your answer, explaining why it's more correct. Your writing an answer will "bump" the question to the home page so that others see it and, perhaps, vote it up (thus reducing the "value" of the answer you believe is incorrect). You don't say, but if this is your own question you can mark your contribution as the answer, after a couple of days. — Cindy Meister 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
@Hell Trilarion answered twice as many questions as you have. I don't feel that's a fair accusation to level. — yivi 33 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tensibai
Sorry meagar, forgot we were under your answer :/ — Tensibai 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user253751
@yivi That's all sarcasm, right? — user253751 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
@user253751 Mostly tongue in cheek, yes. My avatar is a monkey, so it's safer not to take me too seriously. Although it did almost work for WeWork. But that's something entirely different... — yivi 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by CD001
"the continual growth of the high quality existing library of knowledge built initially here at Stack Overflow" ... you obviously don't spend much time on the [php] tag - most high quality questions there are duplicates, the rest is dross. The PHP language doesn't iterate rapidly enough to merit the number of questions asked on SO - and once you've got a nice stable library, where every sensible question has been asked, you spend most time asking for clarification in comments or DV/VTC. That might give you a high quality, moderated library but it's not going to draw in the ad revenue. — CD001 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user253751
Reminder: Investors are owners of a company. "Investors wouldn't be happy" = "owners wouldn't be happy" = "you get fired for even thinking about it." I mention this because the way the last sentence is worded makes it sound like investors are just a small thing. When you get funding, you literally sell the company. — user253751 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
That was kindof the joke with that line. Downplaying the significance of investors. — Cerbrus 31 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by HelloWorld
@yivi I accused nothing. I was just making a suggestion. Indeed, too many senior members discuss politics here could be the cause. We're talking but not answering. — HelloWorld 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
@Hell It was an accusation. Very direct. "The time you spent on data analysis could have spent on improving the answer rate.". You are very directly saying that Trilarion should spend more time improving the answer rate and less time with this kind of post. And it's an unfair accusation for a hight throughput community member. — yivi 48 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by HelloWorld
I said "could have spent" not "should have spent". They mean different in English.... — HelloWorld 16 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user253751
@MrPizzaGuy Are you aware of their recent actions? — user253751 10 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by deceze
Guys, don't get bogged down in this he-said-she-said, m'kay? — deceze ♦ 14 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
@Hell It's the same. The implication you make is that they are not spending enough time answering. And it's false, and not for you to judge anyway. — yivi 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tensibai
 
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[ Boson ] New comment posted by Michael
This answer makes me sad—the charts remind me of classic Shog9. — Michael 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by peterh - Reinstate Monica
@user253751 Only for a thought you probably won't be fired; firing someone and teaching a new employee for his tasks has a cost. But it is surely a for-fire motivation for the "higher levels". — peterh - Reinstate Monica 48 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user253751
@Lundin With the state that is currently in, it may as well not exist. If they deployed their 'writing' software on more sites then I would call it an alternative. Right now, it's vapourware. — user253751 22 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Trilarion
@HelloWorld The trend is ongoing and steady over 10 years with almost equal speed. If you feel like people should less query the data explorer and more answer question, you could open up a request on meta and see how well it will be received. Here I feel a bit as if these comments have nothing to do directly with the question, unless you really think that this is the reason and not only applies to me but to many users. In this case please make an answer. For the record: I don't like that you singled me out. If you would have said "many users..." it would have been much less personal. — Trilarion 13 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
Can you add a reference to the "we less than three developers" quote"? ("we <3 three developers" quote"?) — Peter Mortensen 27 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
Clearly it's because we're not welcoming enough. Answering questions isn't enough, maybe we should start paying people to ask questions? — Kevin B 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Michael
SO: Here is the new deal on HMP. Me: Uneasy, but let's try it, and assume good intentions. SO: I am altering the deal. Pray I do not alter it further. — Michael 5 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Marc.2377
Actually, 4 developers is at least 2 more than "we less than 3 people who code"... assuming the developer count is an integer ;) — Marc.2377 42 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by tomRedox
That's kind of my point; software is essential to the future of the world in so many ways. Making development of software quicker/cheaper/better is therefore vital, so funding this type of NFP should be a natural fit for many of the existing foundations and also for governments. It's like teaching people to read, or providing them with encyclopedias, it benefits the whole planet ultimately, so it's a natural fit for charitable donation and charitable contributions of time for members of its community. — tomRedox 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by tomRedox
Just to clarify again, nobody is suggesting that SE would do this, the question is about whether coding Q&A is better suited to existing inside a not-for-profit structure rather than in a commercial entity. The existing SO data is open-source I believe. — tomRedox 37 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Makoto
@tomRedox: And therein belies some extreme naivety. I am firmly unconvinced that any entity would be that benevolent and just give this site the money it needs to run and function and remain healthy. You see the value in the site the same I do. However, I also see the cost to this value and I'm not so convinced that anyone is gonna just fill the void at the snap of some fingers if this decided to turn non-profit/non-stock. — Makoto just now
 
5:14 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
The low-quality content is not a problem in itself (unless you are only focused on new questions), but unfortunately it dominates search engines results. — Peter Mortensen 55 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
@James Toomey: GitHub issues are increasingly the place to find (real) answers to problems, instead of Stack Overflow (though still at a low level). But it is developing. On the other hand, they haven't had their Eternal September event yet, which is the really hard nut to crack for any site that becomes popular. — Peter Mortensen 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
The low-quality content is not a problem in itself (unless you are only focused on new questions), but unfortunately it dominates search engines results. It gives a really bad impression of Stack Overflow and makes it hard to find the good stuff. It would be relatively easy to put in filters for what search engine crawlers see, but perhaps there are conflicts of interest? Though it actually ought to increase traffic due to higher quality. — Peter Mortensen 38 secs ago
 
5:34 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Patrice
So.... wait.... anyone of us who spends ANY time not answering question is evil now? really? "how dare you do data analytics to question stuff about to site to see if we can improve it!" feels like a.... freaking weird stance to take, and completely entitled. Who are some users to dictate to other users how to use their time? Jesus... — Patrice 26 secs ago
 
5:46 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by VLAZ
Isn't it too early to say? I don't think the activity is uniform over the year, so maybe we can't really compare the data accurately yet. — VLAZ 47 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ben
Sure, maybe. .. — Ben 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
Can that leap from approximately 1 year ago be due to the roomba? (the one outlined in red) — Kevin B 21 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Bhargav Rao
@ouflak, I can agree with that. There are a number of 2k users who have better moderation capabilities than a few with 100k. — Bhargav Rao ♦ 55 secs ago
 
6:10 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
Shog, Julia, and Megan are no longer with the company. It seems like many of the people who would have been involved in the analysis for this change are no longer here. There is a brand new "Chief Product Officer". The current Director for Public Q&A does not seem to be very interested in sharing back this kind of information. I think it's overly optimistic to expect an answer regarding this. Some time ago I also asked a similar question regarding the new "Ask" interface. (Spoiler alert: I didn't get any meaningful response either) — yivi 50 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Alexei Levenkov
Funny how almost identical meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/392931/… get's -1 votes and this on +7... — Alexei Levenkov 35 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Alexei Levenkov
@Rob please sync up with Cody on meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/392931/… (about whether it is ok to make trivial edit in such case). — Alexei Levenkov 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Alexei Levenkov
@KevinB if you are talking about ellipse in the first graph: "I simulated this effect for 2019 by inspecting the jump in numbers of zero scored questions (red ellipse in figure above) and reduced the number of zero scored questions for 2019 by 33k for every month" — Alexei Levenkov 52 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by deceze
I concur. SO is basically saturated, and in addition the word has now gotten round to a new generation of newbies who were not here in the founding stages, have no idea how SO is supposed to work and think about it in terms of Reddit. — deceze ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ben
@Cody Gray Why did you delete my comment? I accept it wasn't glamorous, but still - doing so was completely unnecessary. — Ben just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ben
That might have been the case. I now worry this comment will go the same way... — Ben 19 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by VLAZ
It's possible multiple people have flagged them as "no longer needed". For example, if you asked for some clarification, it was edited into the question and now your comment doesn't help much. Do you think this might have been the case? — VLAZ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ben
Incorrect. It conveyed an acknowledgement to @VLAZ that I had seen and read his message. — Ben 32 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
It was flagged by a user as being “no longer needed”. That seemed correct in my judgment; the comment conveyed no information. Furthermore, as the asker, if you want to add more commentary, you can simply edit the question. Moderators regularly clean up comments to keep noise to a minimum. — Cody Gray ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
No, it's not a new feature. Comment owners were never notified of comment deletions. Too many comments are deleted all the time. — yivi 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
See this feature-request, for example. — yivi 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Mr.Mindor
@Legends I'm sure it isn't intentionally a riddle.There has been a great deal of noise in the overall StackExchange community and many many featured posts relating to what 'started in September'. The previous comments by Dan is Fiddling by Firelight and WBT are a good start if you are interested, be warned though, this can be as bad as tv tropes once you start digging into the mess. — Mr.Mindor 2 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Heretic Monkey
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
I'm not sure how long your hiatus had been but if you missed the CoC update you might need to adjust your wording a bit — rene 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
Be nice is no longer enough. Read: meta.stackexchange.com/conductrene 13 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ben
@rene How do you mean? — Ben 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ben
@rene I literally don't know what that means — Ben 6 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
@yivi sure, but a lot more got flaggable (which is good) but might confuse users that weren't aware this has changed. — rene 9 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
@rene Comments have been deleted as "no longer needed" and other reasons since before the updated CoC. I wouldn't conflate these things. — yivi 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
This is not a chat room. You don’t need to acknowledge that you’ve read people’s comments. That creates noise. The purpose of comments is to suggest revisions to the post and ask for clarification. If you want to react to feedback, do it by editing the post. This is not a new policy; it has been the case ever since Stack Overflow introduced a comment functionality. — Cody Gray ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by gnat
to me, it had a very positive effect of masking truly useful 3CV change and preemptively shutting down all possible complaints that would inevitably follow without it. Whoever now would start whining that 3CV is hostile to askers will be immediately countered by "how dare you say that now that such a great effort was demonstrated in doubling rep points given to askers!" — gnat 33 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ben
A bit of friendly give and take though eh? I understand the old rules well enough, I had a decent rep. — Ben 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
That is an faq post, those generally only needs one answer. — rene 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Alexei Levenkov
That's how locked "Wiki" posts are - one question/one answer, answer is initially merged from all other answers... What exactly you are trying to question here? — Alexei Levenkov 7 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by E_net9 is disappointed in SE
Questions with the faq tag are designed to accommodate a site-wide consensus, not to discuss the question. That one has a somewhat heated history, but the reasoning is the same. — E_net9 is disappointed in SE 22 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by BSMP
Eh, I think it's the overview that the reviewer likely took issue with, not "performance oriented". The last half does sound a bit "markety" and "holistic pleasurability" just sounds goofy. I don't think it's bad enough to accuse it of just being an advertisement but I can see how it rubbed someone the wrong way. That rejection vote makes no sense to me because it's an excerpt taken from the language's official page Yeah, that's why it sounds like an ad. — BSMP 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
That tag wiki was correctly rejected… It is plagiarized content from the product web page, without even having any attribution. Even the excerpt’s first sentence is wholly copy-pasted from elsewhere. — Cody Gray ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ruzihm
@BSMP my submission for the usage guidelines does not mention "holistic pleasurability", so I don't quite understand what you are getting at. — Ruzihm 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Alexei Levenkov
Sometimes all comments "converted to chat" if they are of some value... but yes, comments get deleted all the time. "Recently" (roughly for a year) there is a bit more active removal of comments across all sites to hold comments to they "request clarification/provide criticism" purpose. Even more recently on meta every comment thread turns into "SE don't listen to meta" unrelated to the post they are on - which gets old pretty fast and removal of such threads may cause perceived "comments only now get deleted" behavior... — Alexei Levenkov 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by BSMP
I thought you were saying that both the overview and the usage guidelines were rejected, not just the usage part. — BSMP 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ben
OK thanks for the exposition. I've just been reviewing the inputs of moderators on - quite literally - a random selection of questions on meta. A lot of it is passive aggressive toxicity. Like I said: I had a hiatus. Wow. — Ben 41 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ruzihm
@BSMP that's fair — Ruzihm 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ruzihm
@CodyGray The wiki submission links to the source of the content, do I need to explicitly say that that is where it is cited from? I can submit an edit for that if you would like. — Ruzihm 55 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Patrice
If a government gets involved in funding SO @tomRedox, let's just hope it's a nice govt, not a protectionist one that may decide to put a "wall" around SO to keep other countries out of it..... I mean, I definitely see some people who would do that if they got their hands on the site. So I'm not convinced Govt entities are the best idea here necessarily :/. — Patrice 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
No matter how big your project is, to ask a question you need to reduce the problem to a manageable size. It's a very important skill to learn, since it will help you solve most of your problems by yourself. — yivi 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Travis J
@GeoffGriswald - Welcome to meta! Shog wasn't just a mod, he was a community manager, the community manager in many respects. Across the exchange, any new moderator was gifted with having a chance to work with Shog. He influenced changes that have permanently altered the exchange. He was the driving force behind many features you take for granted. "just a good mod"... listen here you barely a dozen vote having newcomer, you comment sprinkling, lurking, never answering, ungrateful ... nevermind. He wasn't just a mod. — Travis J 9 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Mulligan ᛜ Reinstating Monica
Nevertheless, even though many [or even most] downvoted questions are closed or deleted due to being completely unsuitable for the site, there are still a small number of questions with a large negative score. These questions are generally of a controversial nature in this site, or are historically significant. Since the Monica's incident, official SE posts reached downvote counts of over -1500. — Mulligan ᛜ Reinstating Monica 1 min ago
 
7:28 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Rainb
remember when stackoverflow was supposed to be a replacement for experts exchange, because of paywalls, is stack overflow the new experts exchange? — Rainb 38 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Martijn Pieters
I didn't see this mentioned yet, but I see no evidence that you have compensated for post age. The longer a post has been on the site the higher the likely hood that it receives upvotes. — Martijn Pieters ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Martijn Pieters
How much of this is just you having gained more experience and so can recognise bad questions much more easily? — Martijn Pieters ♦ 31 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Martijn Pieters
Next, while technology evolves and there are new areas to explore and ask questions about, there is a certain saturation level to account for, where most questions can be answered by the stuff that's already there. To me, 2014 is the point where we reached a tipping point, where most basic, stable tech questions had been answered. — Martijn Pieters ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ruzihm
@CodyGray thanks! — Ruzihm 28 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
@Ruzihm Given the space limitations of the excerpt, I can maybe see an argument for omitting normal-form attribution there. On the other hand, marketing boilerplate doesn't belong in an excerpt, so can usually be omitted altogether in favor of merely explaining how the tag is to be used on SO. For the full tag wiki, you absolutely need to follow our standard attribution requirements, which includes use of formatting for all quoted text and a clear indication that the content was copied. See also: meta.stackoverflow.com/q/318337Cody Gray ♦ 54 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by aksh1618
Another one I failed for commenting, even though I intended to upvote after commenting. Maybe the audit should fail or succeed only on selecting I'm done? — aksh1618 38 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
As an aside: If you were going to upvote... why comment at all? — yivi 52 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Alexei Levenkov
This question does not show any research effort... — Alexei Levenkov 18 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Davis Broda
[ Boson ] New comment posted by aksh1618
@yivi I didn't realize my comment wasn't posted! Again, bad! Posted now, you can see the comment to get the context but essentially I asked for some examples of something they mentioned in the answer. — aksh1618 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Temani Afif
Even google will give you some result using "monica stackoverflow" ... — Temani Afif 15 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by aksh1618
Would appreciate reasons for downvoting and/or suggestions for improvement. — aksh1618 54 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by SecretAgentMan
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Martijn Pieters
I'd say, at this point, the quickest path to a TL;DR summary is this news article on The Register. — Martijn Pieters ♦ 22 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dan is Fiddling by Firelight
@yivi Just because an answer is good doesn't mean there can't be a subtle point you'd like clarification of, or think the answer would benefit if was expanded. — Dan is Fiddling by Firelight 40 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Martijn Pieters
Moderator note: keep the tone constructive please. Searching for the name "Monica" on this site only gives you the two resignation notices, and that's probably not enough context. Telling someone to Google it has never been constructive. — Martijn Pieters ♦ 48 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by DRP
@TemaniAfif sure there is a lot of sparse info on google. I think Davis and Martjin got what I needed. — DRP 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Martijn Pieters
@SecretAgentMan: that's... way too much to take in for someone here trying to figure out what this is all about. — Martijn Pieters ♦ 2 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by SecretAgentMan
@MartijnPieters I deleted my comment. It was way too much info and also could be perceived as snarky. (this comment is no longer needed) — SecretAgentMan 42 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Trilarion
Sounds plausible for the case of questions, but why is there the same trend for answers. Do not as good questions result in not as good answers as well? The statistics in the question already excludes deleted or closed questions. — Trilarion 9 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
@dan I don’t think I said otherwise. I was just asking the OPs reason for wanting to comment. — yivi 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
Didn't we had a feature that leaving a comment never caused a failed audit? Or was that not implemented on first posts reviews? — rene 2 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by aniline
They will end up as ExpertSexChange. — aniline 56 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by VLAZ
Weird - when a similar question was asked over at Worldbuilding Meta it was massively upvoted. It's currently at +40/-1 and do note the generally drastically lower meta participation over at WB. The question ere, sits at 0/-10. — VLAZ 46 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Silvio Mayolo
@enderland I stay logged in and lurk meta. That's about it. Last answer I posted was in July. Haven't regretted my decision since. — Silvio Mayolo 55 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Roberto Caboni
I agree with @VLAZ. Anyone is free to downvote what they want, of course, but it is not so strange not knowing who Monica is. — Roberto Caboni 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by NathanOliver
@Trilarion From what I've seen, lower quality question tend to attract lower quality answers. There is also the case where people like to down vote answers to off topic questions as "punishment" but as you've said closed questions are excluded so that shouldn't be a factor. — NathanOliver 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Martijn Pieters
@VLAZ context is everything, though. That post is over a month older and on one of the sites were Monica was a moderator. That can easily make a big difference. — Martijn Pieters ♦ 26 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by VLAZ
@MartijnPieters OK, granted - it's been quite a while since it was posted. It was also on the Hot Meta Posts which helped. I still can't stress enough how exceptionally high 40 upvotes is for WB meta. If you tally the upvotes on all questions from this year you get only slightly more than half the upvotes the question for Monica has. And (almost) nobody really disagreed with it being a bad question to ask. Whereas here, almost nobody agreed it's suitable to ask it. Massive difference. — VLAZ 1 min ago
 
8:48 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by SecretAgentMan
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Alexei Levenkov
@MartijnPieters generally one was expected to search broader than "on this site" (like bing.com/search?q=stackoverflow+monica) and show it in the post - is it no longer expectation for meta posts? With all changes happening it could pretty well be the current policy - if it is the case I will need change my vote... (also even meta.stackoverflow.com/search?q=monica gives you meta.stackoverflow.com/a/391029/477420 which links directly to the profile... indeed one may not know if that is the "Monica"... but mentioning it in the question may be good idea) — Alexei Levenkov 58 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Mark
There's a confounding factor you haven't compensated for: the longer a question or answer has been around, the greater a chance it has had to acquire a vote. You really need to normalize for that in some way, such as measuring "score after one month". — Mark 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Modus Tollens
@MartijnPieters I have certainly gained more experience and confidence in closing regarding dupes and off-topics (although I lurked for a year before joining and was pretty consistent from the start). But the amount of plain bad questions (gimme-the-code), paired with a sense of entitlement and often due dates, has definitely increased. I can now scroll through pages of new Java questions that are very bad. I can hardly find stuff completely or interesting enough to answer. — Modus Tollens 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by philipxy
This is already asked either in SO or SE. — philipxy 42 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by aksh1618
 

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