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8:00 PM
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Makoto
So wait. You're upset about commentators warning others that this may not work or that they may lose work that isn't backed up? I'm quite lost as to why this is suddenly a bad thing or why this would be damaging advice. — Makoto 28 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Trilarion
Okay, it's a bit confusing, at least to me. I don't really understand how and where the algorithm of SO, which surely always can use some work, is affected here. Some comment or answer is not voted in the way you would like it to be voted? You can only think of flaging it. Just commenting or answering yourself is not enough? You cannot comment any longer? Why not? What exactly is the abuse? Would it be possible to more clearly describe the problem? — Trilarion 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by E_net4
I'm having a hard time understanding the major problem presented here, plus figuring out how a major work on the site's algorithms would solve it. If this is about not being able to comment, we have a canonical. — E_net4 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by E_net4
@Trilarion I had interpreted the question as something along those lines, but then I took back what I said. Right now I suspect the OP lost enough rep to lose the privilege to comment anywhere. — E_net4 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by fbueckert
@E_net4 See first paragraph; "First, I had an account with around 200 reputation points." Likely the algorithm needs tweaking because they're in a question ban. — fbueckert 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Trilarion
Because you can't prove it. You can have strong suspicions but you don't know for sure. And the knowledge doesn't help you unless someone does serial downvoting, which would be another issue completely. I may be one of those that downvoted this question. What changes? Maybe even better not to know who up-and who downvotes oneself. — Trilarion 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by E_net4
@fbueckert Interesting. But I would imagine that one needs to do a lot more than post bad questions to lose that much rep... Right? There's only one other thing that could have taken an account from 200 to under 50. — E_net4 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Louis
@fbueckert That's what I'm starting to think. I went to check the OP's rep history and I see no evidence of 200 rep at any point in time. Are there some rep changes that are invisible? (I know from experience that I can see fraud corrections and "user removed" change in other people's rep history... so what else could be missing?) — Louis 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by fbueckert
@E_net4 I suspect it's a new account, after the original was abandoned. — fbueckert 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Makoto
C'mon, guys! What are you waiting for? Just close this question until the OP can actually make this more coherent. Chatter isn't gonna get us anywhere. — Makoto 36 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by fbueckert
@Louis Only ones I know of are downvotes, and rep gains/losses from deleted posts. It is feasible to lose that amount from a deleted question/answer. Only way to know would be if a mod weighed in, though. — fbueckert 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by fbueckert
Everyone is a, "regular user". Are you referring to any specific group; curators that are trying to keep the site clean, by chance? — fbueckert 1 min ago
 
8:38 PM
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Ralph Maurmeier
@Makoto I quote from my OP I would understand if someone commented to tell the accepted answer author to put a warning about production projects even though it is plainly stated in the question. — Ralph Maurmeier 13 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Ralph Maurmeier
Reading is really hard. "First, I had an account" that would be past tense. I can try looking it up and see if I can login to it. — Ralph Maurmeier 53 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by fbueckert
Uh. A question with no votes is neutral, at absolute worst. A net zero votes means a positive reputation gain. — fbueckert 9 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Ralph Maurmeier
A question on stack overflow with no votes is NEGATIVE REPUTATION. I hope that clears some things up for several commenters. — Ralph Maurmeier 52 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Ralph Maurmeier
See, I am literally quoting my original post to things that are commented here and yet the question is downvoted. Amazing. — Ralph Maurmeier 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Ralph Maurmeier
@fbueckert That is factually incorrect unless it has changed in the last several months. I haven't need to ask a question in a long time. — Ralph Maurmeier 59 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Ralph Maurmeier
@E_net4 I am not in a question ban and quoted from the OP "The likelihood of me returning to this site to ask or answer questions is less than zero" which means I have not and will not ask a question. — Ralph Maurmeier 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by fbueckert
It hasn't changed at all. That's the way it's been for...I don't even know how long. Question upvotes give +5. Downvotes (question and answers) give -2. So net zero votes is a gain for the poster. — fbueckert 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Ralph Maurmeier
This would be my old account, I guess someone can analyze my history and tell me all the screw ups and that I exaggerated my peak reputation points or something. — Ralph Maurmeier 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by npostavs
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by fbueckert
Soooooo....I'm still confused; why does the algorithm need major work? Are you in a question ban on your original account or something? — fbueckert 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Davy M
"The votes cast on the other answers show a clear bias of this community to participate in closing questions just for the thrill of giving a knock to the fellow that asked the question." No, what it really shows is just that you think you can read the inner thoughts and emotions of completely anonymous people. They're hard to tell apart though, I don't blame you. — Davy M 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by WJS
@rene Yes I am. And I also notice that sometimes my reputation fluctuates back and forth depending on the particular post I am reviewing. Perhaps this is a caching issue (although I try to keep my browser cache to a minimum). — WJS 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by j08691
In Guided Mode step 3 is "3. Show some code Share the minimum amount of code others need to reproduce your problem (also called a minimal, reproducible example)" which links to stackoverflow.com/help/minimal-reproducible-example which discusses Stack Snippets. Arguably a lot to wade through but it's there. — j08691 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by fbueckert
@RalphMaurmeier Others can't see reputation changes from your deleted posts, just as we don't list deleted posts to non-mods. — fbueckert 5 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Ralph Maurmeier
I swear on on my life Stack Overflow told me they took away reputation points for asking questions with no votes. I wish I could find it again, but it was a while ago, when I actually needed to ask questions. — Ralph Maurmeier 31 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Ralph Maurmeier
@npostavs I don't see how. ibb.co/WpDKWBtRalph Maurmeier 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by npostavs
@Ralph I definitely did not mean to call you a liar, I just reported what I observed. — npostavs 13 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Ralph Maurmeier
@fbueckert you're right, I guess I am getting a little emotional and did not think clearly on that response to npostavs comment. He sounds like he is calling me a liar and that's about as bad as calling Marty McFly chicken. — Ralph Maurmeier 50 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by fbueckert
None of these details clarify what it is you actually want to happen here, though. All we have is several paragraphs complaining about....votes? It's really hard to tell, as it's all jumbled up with what seems to be some resentment about how the site works. — fbueckert 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by npostavs
Ah, fbueckert's comment explains it, this is what I see ibb.co/QnyCmwm (since my first comment, someone has downvoted one of the questions) — npostavs 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Ralph Maurmeier
I have to commend Stack Overflow for the message I am seeing now: Ralph Maurmeier is a new contributor. Be nice, and check out our Code of Conduct. That was the opposite of my experience with THIS account and why I created the new account which posted this thread. However, I did create this account quite a while ago but there is no activity which is probably why I am a "new contributor"" — Ralph Maurmeier 23 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Ralph Maurmeier
@npostavs no problem and I didn't think you were, I'm reading comments that are in direct contradiction to what I wrote. It is frustrating. However, the whole point is that people are commenting in direct contradiction to what is posted and then downvoting which you can literally see happen on this thread. It's not a complaint, it's an observation of the facts as closely as I can remember them since a few happened last year (like negative reputation for an unvoted question). — Ralph Maurmeier 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by E_net4
This... is starting to become a mishmash of multiple concerns, most of wish have been debated over time on Meta. Perhaps you'd like a moderator to clarify what really happened to your account, and leave it at that? — E_net4 34 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Ralph Maurmeier
Another clarification, major is probably the wrong word. Since I cannot prove that I received a message from Stack Overflow about questions without votes, it is a hard point to debate. I swear at one point I received a message saying that. So, the real issue to address would be something like allowing other users to approve new users' comments or something to that affect. A wrongful downvote is impossible to combat unless you have someone else upvote to balance the scales, which is still not balanced in reality. — Ralph Maurmeier 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by fbueckert
@BSMP It is, however, a great way for popularity to override quality control. Which is likely exactly how it is meant to be used. — fbueckert 26 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by BSMP
...a separate voting queue where non-privileged users vote on questions... This doesn't make sense. Reputation is a measure of how much the system trusts you. High reputation strongly implies that you understand how the system works and the quality guidelines for the site. It does not make sense to give reopen privileges to users who don't know when a question should be closed (or at least haven't proven it). — BSMP 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by BSMP
Your suggestion also 1) changes question closure from a matter of being on-topic into a popularity contest (as fbuecker says above), 2) gives power to spam accounts and voting rings to keep harmful content on the site, and 3) punishes people for disagreeing. — BSMP 1 min ago
 
9:48 PM
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by rene
Using the Back button on the sites here is going to give you guaranteed stale and weird results. Most stuff will come from your browser, some stuff might come from an upstream but also stale cache and some bits might update live as it is connected to a websocket. — rene 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by WJS
@rene Then that may be the cause of what I am seeing. I guess I will have to modify how I browse the site. Thanks! — WJS 59 secs ago
 
10:04 PM
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by BonzaiThePenguin
I'm in the US. Thanks @Secespitus, haha. — BonzaiThePenguin 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by gnat
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Makoto
So someone just added that in there to "discourage more people from writing answers". Hrm. — Makoto 54 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Makoto
Yeah, those edits look totally inappropriate. I'll just roll those back... — Makoto 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by M.M
@Makoto I see, I assumed it was some kind of official site notice since it looked like one! — M.M 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by rene
I have an open feature request on MSE to add the foreign keys info to SEDE. That is already a couple of years old so don't hold your breath ... — rene 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by JL2210
Ha ha... A bunch of new users were writing bad answers so I added that in there to politely let them know. Was that bad? — JL2210 13 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Shog9
Folks should really mention butter more. — Shog9 ♦ 32 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by JL2210
@M.M See my answer, please. — JL2210 15 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Makoto
You should have just downvoted the answers if they were poor. Protection is only useful for extremely new users, which would've prevented exactly one person from answering. — Makoto 9 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by pppery
Questions aging away from the close vote review queue is also a common problem. — pppery 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by M.M
Do you have some basis for assuming the bounty is intended for an existing answer? (As opposed to the bounty offerer perhaps thinking the existing answers are lacking) — M.M 21 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by JL2210
@M.M Yes, the bounty reason: "One or more of the answers is exemplary and worthy of an additional bounty. ... Credit to haccks for spelling out the types involved." — JL2210 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by M.M
I see. It seems a bit hacky using the bounty system that way, maybe it's a feature SO could consider adding (that people can spend rep to specifically award an existing answer) — M.M 38 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by JL2210
@M.M It's already included when you create a bounty. It's been implemented for a long time. — JL2210 2 mins ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by JL2210
@M.M That would be useful. — JL2210 57 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by M.M
Or rework it, then ... the fact that you felt an additional message was necessary and I was confused suggests that improvements are possible — M.M 1 min ago
 
11:22 PM
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by JL2210
+1 for "read the help center to find out what questions are considered on- and off-topic for that site". It really helps a lot. — JL2210 38 secs ago
 
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