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12:10 AM
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by fbueckert
It's not the website that's not beginner friendly at all; we love beginner questions. What we don't like is questions that don't meet our quality standards. — fbueckert 45 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by πάντα ῥεῖ
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Samuel Liew
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by ETHAN SIAO
Hi, thanks for the response. I'm well aware that the vast majority of the people here are great people out here to help, but my suspicion is that the intimidation is just a product of there being such a broad talent range in the website. I don't think it's anyone's fault, really. Hence leading me to state "The community isn't "toxic" as other people claim it to be, it's just difficult for a single forum to have such a large gap in knowledge and still cater well towards both ends of the spectrum. " — ETHAN SIAO 2 mins ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by fbueckert
Well, @ETHANSIAO, who's going to be helping the beginners? What's different about a beginner site than the current one? Why would it be less intimidating? Because people will be less advanced? Friendlier? Lower standards? — fbueckert 44 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by ETHAN SIAO
I believe that the beginner site should be filled with the obvious: simpler questions that more advanced coders may perceive as easier. It's not so much the difference in mechanics as much as a difference in the community. When there's a website for beginners, people become more open to asking "dumber" questions and experts go in with the knowledge that they're dealing with lower level coders and adjust their explanations accordingly. — ETHAN SIAO 50 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Samuel Liew
Sorry, but this has already been discussed many times over. Please peruse the previous duplicate discussions, and then edit your question to let us know what additional points you would like to make. — Samuel Liew ♦ 54 secs ago
 
12:36 AM
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Patrice
@Ethansiao can you find a question on the current site that is well researched, meets our standard, and got a "bad" reception cause it was easy. Not not well researched. Easy. — Patrice 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by ETHAN SIAO
@SamuelLiew thanks for the response, I've just now looked at all of them and found a recurring point is to have everyone separated, period. I would like to have questions split based on difficulty while still allowing experts to answer themselves. I'll edit the question right now. — ETHAN SIAO 1 min ago
 
12:58 AM
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Tom
"Experts with higher reputation should be allowed to answer the beginner-level questions, while fellow beginners remain unable to answer them to prevent the "blind leading blind" scenario." ... so its like the normal Stack Overflow, but with lower standards in regard of the question "level" and some people unable to answer (the current Stack Overflow doesn't block beginners from answering). So you need a way to keep experts attracted to the site to answer the questions coming in, because non-experts are blocked. How should that work in the long run? — Tom 57 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by mwilson
@NickParsons Yes, that is my conclusion as well. Would love to get these two threads (yours is more informational than mine) to someone at SOF to take a look at. Not clear how to go about that part, though. — mwilson 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by ETHAN SIAO
@Tom Thanks for the answer, I definitely see your point here. I honestly can't say I have a direct answer for this. It seems a recurring point is that the alternate site would become unhelpful, no matter what rules are placed. — ETHAN SIAO 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Nick Parsons
@mwilson yeah, I agree that it would be good if someone took a look at it. I've been having this issue for the past 2 months so not sure how likely that will be though... — Nick Parsons 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Tom
A big problem is: you need people to answer the question and you need to keep them on the site. On the other site you have a growing number of users asking the question with mixed quality. That amount of incoming posts will overwhelm the "answerers" sooner or later. That's one of the biggest issues that is deteriorating this site as well. — Tom 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Machavity
GK Chesterton once described Christianity as people not having tried and found it wanting, but found difficult and left untried. I think that's the problem people colloquially have with closure and reopening. They've learned that SO is a mean, cynical place, so if your question gets closed, you should shake your fist, rant elsewhere on the Internet and give up. Yet, if you engage with people who closed or commented, you can often figure out what you can do to get it reopened. I've closed thousands of questions, but rarely ever been engaged to improve or reopen them. That's the pity here. — Machavity 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by ETHAN SIAO
Got it, I definitely understand the reasoning now. Thanks for the very helpful insight, have a good one. — ETHAN SIAO 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by ETHAN SIAO
Actually, I have a quick little question; when it comes to the issue with keeping answerers, would it not be the same reason why people answer other people's questions here? meta.stackexchange.com/questions/3742/…ETHAN SIAO 22 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Patrice
@Ethan the answerers that are considered "experts" are also staying on Stack cause they feel they won't have to answer the same beginner, poorly researched questions over and over again... if you open the floodgates for these questions to be asked.... there is a chance that these experts decide "yeah Stack is nice and all, but I'm not answering 15 NPE a day, because the newbie can't research it" — Patrice 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Vitalicus
"Simple really. It is a duplicate" - Admin is god :) — Vitalicus 46 secs ago
 
1:40 AM
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by ETHAN SIAO
@Patrice Got it. Thanks for the feedback, have a good one. — ETHAN SIAO 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Shog9
Thanks for digging this up & summarizing, curiousdannii. That thread hints at some of what Meg's blog post from earlier today is trying to get at: for way too many years, closing has been the bugaboo for folks when it comes to SO - it doesn't have to be that way. — Shog9 ♦ 25 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by duplode
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by fbueckert
Voting is not primarily for the poster; it's for future readers, to tell them this post isn't very good. Trying to focus it specifically on the poster loses sight of that. — fbueckert 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Monica Cellio
Hi. I'm going to migrate this to Meta Stack Overflow since the developer story is specific to that site and there are more people there than here who'll be able to help you. — Monica Cellio 19 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Beejamin
Thanks @MonicaCellio! — Beejamin 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Martijn Pieters
Can you include the link of the page you are seeing this on? I can only find stackoverflow.com/users/story/lists/417626/…, which only lists you. — Martijn Pieters ♦ 26 secs ago
 
2:22 AM
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Beejamin
Updated question, thanks @MartijnPieters — Beejamin 1 min ago
 
 
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4:00 AM
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by default locale
A similar question that was sorta kinda answered: How do I edit company pages?. As far as I understand, you should go through a contact formdefault locale 1 min ago
 
 
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5:22 AM
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Shog9
Pretty much this; it's on a list — Shog9 ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Cindy Meister
Ethan, I've had 25 years experience with on-line support, mostly in non-regulated venues. I, too, have considered the proposed "split". But it only works when you let the less experienced contribute because it's they who find beginners questions interesting - they can learn from them and share what's "new" for them. That's the only way you'd have enough "helping hands". The one major advantage that could come from this approach is that the "newbies" could at least learn the site rules for how to ask a good question with less stress, preparing them for the main site... — Cindy Meister 1 min ago
 
5:42 AM
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Beejamin
Hmm - I might need to add a request for that feature, then. If I understand it, there's nothing to stop me listing myself as CEO of Ferrari, and nothing that Ferrari can do to change it if I do? — Beejamin 33 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Beejamin
Okay, thanks for the clarification. — Beejamin 18 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by animuson
No, there's not. It's a pretty much entirely unmaintained feature at the moment. If it ever started causing way too many headaches, I'd venture a guess we're more likely to just completely remove the "lists" thing and go back to just having plain text in the developer story for company names. — animuson ♦ 1 min ago
 
5:58 AM
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Mari-Lou A
Oh, wow. Talk about lack of transparency and trust. An anonymous serial number, often associated with unregistered users, and no visible indicator of professional status. I had always presumed a member of staff was automatically appointed with moderator competencies and privileges, thereby the diamond shape was obligatory. It's not? Does this mean a staff member without a diamond has fewer "privileges" than an elected mod? How can that be? — Mari-Lou A 34 secs ago
 
6:14 AM
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Robert Longson
Maybe all teams are not set at one rep for everything. Your survey set is currently one team isn't it? — Robert Longson 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Catija
@RobertLongson As far as I'm aware, Teams reputation levels aren't configurable. — Catija ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by adiga
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by ivarni
There are 3 re-open votes as you can see in the timeline. The 3rd one didn't come from a review so it's not part of the review summary. — ivarni 30 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by BDL
There were two reopen votes from the review queue and an additional one from outside the queue. Three reopen votes are enough to get a question reopened. — BDL 54 secs ago
 
 
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7:26 AM
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by YakovL
@ivarni oh wow, thanks for the timeline link, never knew about it. Is there link to it somewhere in the interface or one has to know about it to visit it? — YakovL 22 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by ivarni
@YakovL There's no link, but they all follow the same pattern, just replace the post id. There are some userscripts floating around that adds a link though. — ivarni 1 min ago
 
7:44 AM
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by xdtTransform
Sql can burn. Simple question with 2 tables, 3 columns, and 4 rows. Can get a bad reception because they didn't include a Creation script. Each tag has their own standard. But without a Creation script a brunch of CTE as demo table, it's almost impossible to hand write an answer. Answerer should not spend more time copy pasting data than writing the query. — xdtTransform 2 mins ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Bhargav Rao
Can you check these 88 posts out of 1250, and make sure that they are related to pentaho? A simple look at the search excerpt is fine, you needn't go into the details. This is to make sure that no one else is using the kettle tag for some other tool/technology. — Bhargav Rao ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by KarelG
The thing is that the unicorn vote has different meanings. It all depends of the user's interpretation to it, which introduces a bias in the data. Or noise. The person that has setup the feature answered with a non-answer. I also don't see value being added with the last two vote options, the 😂 and 😟 (seems as a worried emoji to me...) one. I am not a data scientist, but it happens that I have to do some data mining. I would have lots of "wtf's" with this... — KarelG 2 mins ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by kemicofa
Useful to take the opposite: Why shouldn't I assume I know that someone upvoted my post? — kemicofa 1 min ago
 
8:28 AM
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Zoe
Two privileges requires rep. Downvotes still require 125 rep, in spite of it not being listed — Zoe 1 min ago
 
8:58 AM
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by ivarni
@HaoZeke SO Meta is pretty quick to downvote for posts that are on the wrong meta site, that's nothing to do with you personally. — ivarni 9 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Draken
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by HaoZeke
Oops, thanks @ivarni. I will flag it for migration. Fun to see the downvotes following me!! — HaoZeke 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by rene
If you believe you're harassed around the SE network, please use the Contact Us link at the bottom of every page. SE staff can investigate and has access to all interactions between your account and other users. If there is evidence of misconduct they are the ones that can take appropriate measures. The community here certainly can't except showing sympathy for your case. Good luck! — rene 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by ivarni
You probably want meta.stackexchange.com, this is the meta for Stack Overflow, not the entire network. — ivarni 2 mins ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Gimby
And downvotes on meta don't affect your account in any way, there is no penalising to speak of. It only hurts emotionally, if you allow that to happen. — Gimby 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Gimby
@HereticMonkey you do not know how much joy you have added to my life by making me aware of that link. — Gimby 1 min ago
 
9:20 AM
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by rene
I'm voting to close this question as off-topic because it is better asked at Meta Stack Exchange or at the per site meta of the involved site.The question as presented doesn't seem to be specific to Stack Overflow. — rene 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by HaoZeke
Sure, sounds good to me. Hope the support team is as nice. — HaoZeke 53 secs ago
 
9:36 AM
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by rene
The few people from the support team I interacted with were all friendly, helpful and professional. — rene 1 min ago
 
10:24 AM
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by yivi
I'm curious. What exactly makes you think that users above certain reputation wouldn't "leak" your code? I'm as likely to "leak" anything I find here as when I had 50 reputation points. In 20 or 30 years, when I'm reaching 20k, I assume I'll be equally likely to repost stuff I find on the web... — yivi 45 secs ago
 
10:36 AM
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Antti Haapala
I do not really agree with the Related part at all. Neither do I agree with the close vote reason needing a consensus. 3 close votes is enough. At first it can be that there is no [mcve] and it gets 2 close votes with that reason - and when it is provided, it becomes evident that there is [mcve] but the entire problem arises from a tpyo at which point closing as brainf4rt is the correct close reason. But you suggest we should leave these worst of the lot to wait for 5 close votes?! — Antti Haapala 16 secs ago
 
10:50 AM
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by peterh
Yes. Unfortunately, a quite little group of SE users can poison the whole network. — peterh 1 min ago
 
11:06 AM
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Lundin
Now the real question here is, who's casting re-open votes on post which was obviously posted at the wrong site? — Lundin 11 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Alisson
@KarelG you're right about the bias and noise in the data, I agree. However, as I said, when you introduce reactions in any platform, as they represent the user's emotions and this is personal, this is expected and even if the person that has setup the feature had explained each one objectively, a data scientist would probably never expect users to follow it strictly, as this is not guaranteed to happen. — Alisson 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Alisson
@KarelG you're right about the bias and noise in the data, I agree. However when you introduce reactions in any platform I think this is expected, as they represent the user's emotions and this is personal, even if the person that had setup the feature had explained each one objectively, a data scientist would probably never expect users to follow it strictly, as this is not guaranteed to happen. — Alisson 45 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
That's Meta Effect for you... I'd suggest a little more patience, if you want a question re-opened. When you edit a closed question, it automatically gets pushed into a review queue that can end up re-opening your question in the first place. That said, as it is right now, your question is a request for a code review. You have working code that you want to make more efficient. That's off-topic for SO, and is quite possibly the reason the question got downvoted. — Cerbrus 55 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Gimby
Common sense, friend. The first and second thing you need to do is apply common sense. Because whatever the problem is: it is not black magic, has nothing to do with the alignment of the stars and it is not the universe working against you personally. it is something silly and overlooked. Wrong port, wrong path, firewall, NAT rule, security setting, whatever. The only thing that can be done about it is - look, look more, rubber duck, look more. Until you find it and then you laugh about how you could overlook something so silly. — Gimby 59 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Jonas Wilms
psst, there are already hidden Q/As ... you just don't know about them cause they are, well, hidden and only available to 30k+ :)Jonas Wilms 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by M.A.R.
Wow. "bloodhounds". "rude" and "toxic" go both ways, don't you think? — M.A.R. 48 secs ago
 
12:14 PM
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by George Stocker
It’s not valid to close this as “does not seek input from the community” as the user is seeking our input and support. This is the support site for stack overflow; please don’t turn away people asking for our support; especially when we tell them to bring up question specific issues on meta. — George Stocker ♦ 16 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by rene
It would be awesome if we could even find hundred users that go sit in a queue, judging posts. No matter what task they have to perform. — rene 58 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by πάντα ῥεῖ
I'd of course take your ideas and make a business from it. I've got high rep here because I am a smart person. — πάντα ῥεῖ 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
@GeorgeStocker: What input is he looking for? None of the categories mentioned in what is meta are a good fit here... — Cerbrus 37 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Trilarion
I reviewed now for a couple of days and while I like the feeling of increased weight and achievement that the lower number of votes brings, still my enthusiasm is fading quickly again. It's just work and it never ends, the queue is sometimes larger after I finished my reviews than before and it's unpaid. I don't think I can do it really in the long term. It's a pity, because I feel like I cleaned up quite a lot and did something good and I feel the site will surely be for the worse if nobody would do it. I just admire the ones doing thousands of reviews. These persons are heroes! I'm not. — Trilarion 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Jiri Tousek
@SebastianNorr Please keep in mind voting is a bit different on Meta - downvotes often indicate plain disagreement with the opinion presented in the post, and not relate to the post's factual correctness or quality. — Jiri Tousek 25 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Rk003
And any ideas about mobile version??? — Rk003 1 min ago
 
12:44 PM
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by George Stocker
@Cerbrus " Can one manually submit for review?" They're asking us a question. — George Stocker ♦ 51 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
@GeorgeStocker: Unclear, offtopic. If anything, that question should then be edited to make it clear what he's asking. Is he asking if it's possible to manually request a review? Is he manually requesting a review? Is he asking if the question was submitted for review? — Cerbrus 44 secs ago
 
12:58 PM
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
@GeorgeStocker: I'm not having "issues comprehending what they were asking", but thanks for the passive aggressive language. I'm just saying this question can do with some editing, preferably by the OP. — Cerbrus 41 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Andrew T.
I'm not the downvoter, but apparently someone downvoted it while I'm writing this comment... (Disclosure: I actually downvoted it... or not? ;) — Andrew T. 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Nick A
 
1:14 PM
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by MicroservicesOnDDD
This was a good question, and this was an awful experience for a senior developer just trying to get back into development and trying to improve his reputation so that he can merely comment. — MicroservicesOnDDD 9 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by fbueckert
Unfortunately, @MicroservicesOnDDD, what you think is a good question isn't what the community thinks is a good question. If you want to be able to comment, I would suggest making some good edits to existing posts, or spend some time observing the site, and then asking questions based on what you've learnt by those observations. — fbueckert 1 min ago
 
1:56 PM
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
So, you're suggesting a extra paragraph along the lines of "If you have a bug report..."? — Cerbrus 11 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Daniel A. White
@Cerbrus yea or If you have a specific problem using the API (where the API returns a valid response)...Daniel A. White 54 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by GrumpyCrouton
Yes, if your code is really "confidential", SO seems like a bad place to post it considering the license that is attributed to it afterwards. Seems like a better solution would be to hire a higher level developer who could sign a confidentiality clause. — GrumpyCrouton 22 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by GrumpyCrouton
If your code is really "confidential", SO seems like a bad place to post it considering the license that is attributed to it afterwards. Seems like a better solution would be to hire a higher level developer who could sign a confidentiality clause. — GrumpyCrouton 1 min ago
 
2:46 PM
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Kaiido
Could there be a text version of their email please? I want to click on that "cat tax" link. — Kaiido 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by JL2210
Are people downvoting this because they think I did the right thing or because they think I did the wrong thing? — JL2210 14 secs ago
 
3:06 PM
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by gnat
@Shog9 we're currently in the middle of experiment and my initial assumption holds: it feels very different from how it was before and getting back when it ends may get tough. I am not 100% sure yet and there is a chance that it will end smoothly, however it seems wise to give a thought of how to tame things in worse case — gnat 56 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Shog9
Having lived through the first transition from 3->5 votes, I can attest: it sucks ass. But, gotta do what we gotta do. FOR SCIENCE! — Shog9 ♦ just now
 
3:40 PM
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Don't Panic
Any way you could narrow it down a bit? A large block of code with multiple errors can be pretty difficult to address with an answer. — Don't Panic 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Luuklag
This is a non-example, as the question is off-topic, as it is opinion based, by its very nature. It asks why something is bad, which could lead to dozens of (different) answers. — Luuklag 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by BDL
If the code is working, then the Code Review Stack Exchange might be a good fit. But make sure to study their rules before posting there. — BDL 22 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by BDL
There were actually 4 users who downvoted. The question is at +2/-4 — BDL 26 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Catija
I migrated this here because it is about an issue on Stack Overflow but also because I think that your second paragraph is your real question and MSO is the best place to have that answered. I'm sorry that you're frustrated. Your experience is common to many on SO and on the network. Asking questions is hard and we can do better to help improve that experience - and we are in the process of improving that. But if you need help improving a question, there's room to ask for help on MSO or in chat. — Catija ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by TylerH
@BDL At the time I saw the question it was at 0/-2. I'm guessing the additional 4 votes came from the Meta Effect. — TylerH 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by George Stocker
While moderators have access to most of this information, we're forbidden from sharing it without CM approval. I feel like this should be on meta.stackexchange.com since it's only a question that SE staff can answer. — George Stocker ♦ 17 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Kevin B
I mean, has anything changed that would affect it? A few blog posts have been made, but otherwise the public QA has gone mostly unchanged as far as i'm aware, other than the "new contributor" notice. — Kevin B 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by TylerH
"good browsers" don't all browsers show you the URL when you mouse over a link? — TylerH 30 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Jonas Wilms
I personally find links disteacting when reading a text, thats why I never paste them directly, but thats a personal preference. — Jonas Wilms just now
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Trilarion
@GeorgeStocker I only want to know the values for StackOverflow, but if you think meta.stackexchange is the better place, I'm fine with that too. — Trilarion 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Trilarion
@GeorgeStocker Can you migrate it? — Trilarion 14 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Trilarion
@KevinB There was the code of conduct and I think that flaging of comments got a bit easier. — Trilarion 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by George Stocker
@Trilarion I get it; that's why I haven't migrated it. I want you to know that the only people who can give you an answer are the staff. :-/ — George Stocker ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Jonas Wilms
@george This is just about SO, so I don't see a reason for migration? — Jonas Wilms 19 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Kevin B
@JonasWilms eh, maybe, but there's hardly been enough time to determine how that might have affected new user attrition rates — Kevin B 46 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Jonas Wilms
@kevinB the 3 vote close vote experiment is probably the best thing done so far to make SO more friendly :) — Jonas Wilms 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Trilarion
@KevinB The 3 vote close experiment just closes more questions. Not sure how this should have directly lowered the new user attrition rate. I'm really looking for a change compared to last year, maybe even without any visible change in the interface. — Trilarion 30 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by gnat
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Heretic Monkey
You might also want to take a look at the tag info page for feature-request which suggests that you read meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/375365/…Heretic Monkey 6 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Shog9
FYI: I've rewritten this question to focus on the actual question part that @Catija talks about, removing some of the side commentary in the process. — Shog9 ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Shog9
FYI: I've rewritten this question to focus on the actual question part, removing some of the side commentary in the process. — Shog9 ♦ 1 min ago
 
4:38 PM
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Robert Harvey
I actually like being able to plainly see where I'm going to be directed to by a link -- Most modern browsers already do this for you. Hover over this link; you should see https://example.com appear somewhere in your browser window (the lower left hand corner for Chrome). — Robert Harvey ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Robert Harvey
In any case, I think you're overthinking this. It's certainly not actively harmful to change links like this, and the key word in "no improvement whatsoever" is the word "whatsoever." I agree that the replacement text should be descriptive, and not merely "link." — Robert Harvey ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by gnat
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Nick A
Was this the post you're referring to? If so, you may notice that your comment was put as the edit summary, it's just commented as well, so do what you did and delete the comment left on the post afterwards. — Nick A 18 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Nick A
I see no problem doing this, but fix everything else too!, There are dozens of suggested edits recently with the comment "Correctly made out link" or something similar which only edit the links without fixing the rest of a post. — Nick A 21 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by meagar
"that is not only false, it is also weak sophistry. Try harder." You're making the absurd claims. You try harder, and provide some evidence. — meagar ♦ 1 min ago
 
5:12 PM
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Martin James
New users or new accounts? — Martin James 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Warp Drive Enterprises
@HereticMonkey But cheese DOES cause death by bed sheet tangling. — Warp Drive Enterprises 38 secs ago
 
5:30 PM
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by JL2210
@Luuklag Huh? Can you explain further? — JL2210 41 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by jweaks
Thank you for this. There was some unfortunate and/or hasty meta things that happened to my question, however, I made it worse by being hasty (and a little whiney). If I had just made the edits and waited 3 days, the hold probably would've lifted on its own. Instead, I brought the wrath of the meta-effect by my hastiness (and ignorance. I've never posted in meta before, and RARELY post a question of my own, I only check SO daily to help folks with Applescript questions). — jweaks 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by jweaks
I can testify to the meta-effect. It is real. — jweaks 11 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by JL2210
Unless it's not yours, you can ask on Code Review. They have a very nice, helpful community there and I've redirected quite a few people myself. Just make sure to read the guidelines first: codereview.stackexchange.comJL2210 1 min ago
 
5:54 PM
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Tom
I don't know why, but I read this question as: "I can't be bothered with providing a minimal example of my issue and just want to post the whole code for you to debug it, but please don't leak". I guess I'm just paranoid, sorry :(. — Tom 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Tom
There are userscripts available to add a timeline link under each question: stackapps.com/search?q=timelineTom 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by gnat
@JL2210 wonder why you didn't directly refer these CR.SE guidelines, with their wonderful six-yes criteriagnat 1 min ago
 
6:10 PM
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by YungGun
Uhm... This is a question answering website. You run the website, as a mod, and you say it's not important to you that answers are correct?... Maybe i need to get off this website if that's really how the mods feel. It's a huge problem when theres an answer with 100+ upvotes that is patently wrong, because thousands of people may see it and then be misled, perhaps believing the wrong answer and arguing it as true in the future. It spreads misinformation. This is a Q/A site for technical information. Correct answers really, really matter. There needs to be a way to correct. — YungGun 9 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Wyck
@NickA Yes. Those are the ones that got me thinking about this. — Wyck 9 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by YungGun
If the answer is only wrong in detail - edit it so that it is correct. What is an answer that is correct but is "wrong in detail"? — YungGun 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by YungGun
@TJA this is a question answering website. We should not be positive towards incorrect answers. Obviously trolling is bad too, but it having incorrect answers online and upvoted is misleading and can make a huge number of people believe something that is proven to be factually incorrect. There needs to be an avenue for correcting incorrect answers that have been accepted, as they may be the basis on which people make future decisions. Answers should be correct. Correct answers are the only thing that make this site valuable at all. — YungGun 23 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by AlainD
They are all related for sure to Pentaho Data Integrator/Kettle, except for 2 that may be related or not. — AlainD 26 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by YungGun
@MartijnPieters No it doesn't work a lot of the time. Obviously it doesn't work. If it worked then there wouldn't be upvoted and accepted answers that are incorrect, yet there are many. — YungGun 37 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by AlainD
link is more related to Pentaho Report Designer. But Kettle may call the PRD. — AlainD 19 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by AlainD
link is more related to JSONparse. But it a common task for Kettle. — AlainD 32 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by TylerH
@Shog9 Re: the edit, isn't a 'what's wrong with my question' Meta question a discussion thing rather than a support thing? — TylerH 53 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by TylerH
The chosen reason displayed during an equal dispute between close reasons is the oldest/first chosen reason; it's not random. — TylerH 16 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Shog9
Could be either; I tend to think of them more as support questions, but YMMV @TylerH — Shog9 ♦ 14 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by TylerH
Re: your Related idea, that doesn't make sense to me. You can already pass judgment on a question you think is fine by... not close-voting it. — TylerH 53 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by TylerH
"It's also much harder to get a closed question reopened than they'd like" Is this about SO in general or specifically about SO currently? Because currently it's 40% easier to get a question reopened than it was before August 8th. — TylerH 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by TylerH
There is already a system like you describe; it is called the Close Vote Review Queue. However, it does not include a reputation penalty for good reason. — TylerH 1 min ago
 
6:52 PM
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Nick A
@Wyck Oh... I somehow missed the last paragraph..., I reject them as no improvement — Nick A 1 min ago
 
7:12 PM
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by George Stocker
A year ago the attrition rate was mentioned to be 30%-35%: meta.stackoverflow.com/a/373227/16587 . If I understand your question you'd like to know if it's higher or lower now? — George Stocker ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Mark Amery
Update: I returned to this today and retagged all the ExtendScript questions that were tagged with jsx. Mission accomplished. — Mark Amery 40 secs ago
 
7:40 PM
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Trilarion
@GeorgeStocker That's really almost a year ago. Of course I would like to get as accurate numbers as possible, e.g. changed to X%, but qualitative descriptions like fell/rose lightly/strongly / stayed roughly the same would also be okay. — Trilarion 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by George Stocker
Same. A user comes to us with a problem regarding a specific question or set of questions is support. There may be a general sentiment behind it, but overall it’s to get support for the specific issues they’re having. That’s also why I’m ok with closing some as duplicates but only so long as we also address their specific support issue too. — George Stocker ♦ 36 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by TylerH
@gnat Probably unaware of them or just laziness; it's reasonable to expect a user navigating to cr.se.com for the first time to also stop by their help center and/or tour before asking a question, and I'll never be persuaded <strike>wrongly</strike> otherwise. — TylerH 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by gnat
@TylerH as far as I can tell this micro-study suggests that expecting newcomers to get to posting guidelines may be a bit too optimistic — gnat 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Cindy Meister
"There is at least one high-rep contributor..." Don't know what you consider "high-rep" but above a certain threshhold edits made by "high-rep contributors" do not land in the Review Queue. Can't remember what the threshhold is, but it's not that "high"... — Cindy Meister 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Tom
How would a "permissions" tag be better than the already existing "privileges" tag? — Tom 9 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by TylerH
@gnat It may be optimistic but that doesn't mean it shouldn't be expected. Standards must be upheld — TylerH 19 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by fbueckert
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Davy M
Is this just a specific question, or any questions? And do you mean to one of the allowed sites (Superuser, DBA, Tex or Stats) or to one outside that list? Perhaps a link to the question you're trying to flag for migration or a screenshot of what the flagging window looks like for you would help. — Davy M 50 secs ago
 
8:12 PM
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by gnat
@TylerH observing what frequently follows indiscriminately referring newcomers to site front page I would say this is the case when unrealistic expectations cause pain for everyone involved (except for maybe careless advisors). Site regulars get frustrated by off-topic stuff dumped at them, newcomers get frustrated by closures and downvotes that could be easily avoided if they started at the right page in help center (which is practically impossible to guess for an inexperienced user when they are at the front page) — gnat 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by TylerH
What is frustrating about reading through a question and answer only to realize they're old? The dates for when it was posted are shown at the top of the page, and if you already know that the question has an answer, then surely you're not upset that you don't have a chance to answer it? — TylerH 1 min ago
 
8:40 PM
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Jordan
I respect you removing the side commentary. I am venting, I was very frustrated. I'm an expert developer. I don't want to have to be an expert stackexchanger as well. I just want a place to ask a question. I do know how to google search. And I do my research before I ask a question. Will my question even be seen if it is down voted? If so, what on earth is the point of the down vote? If not, likewise. — Jordan 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Jordan
@fbueckert, I'm find with a rating system in general. I just don't like being rated without knowing why. — Jordan 23 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by TylerH
@Jordan Questions are removed from the front page if they reach a score of -3. Yours is current not at that so it will still be seen. Likewise, people browsing by specific/followed tags or searching using specific search queries will still see your post show up in those question lists. The point of a downvote is to convey that someone finds the question unclear, low effort, or low quality (though because it's just a click, a lot of people use them for other reasons too, unfortunately). — TylerH 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Andreas
@TylerH do you always look at the dates when you are looking at the home of Stackoverflow? That page shows the active questions in all tags. Open the question read through it, there was no comments to it, nothing indicating it was an old question (I think it was a 2-3 year old). Then I start building a workbook with the example at hand and composing an answer. I scroll up to look at a detail and notice the date. Yes that is frustrating. And for what? A meta post that said something needs to be done and then it just got left hanging like a Brexit. And because someone is looking for a badge. Mmm — Andreas 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by TylerH
@Andreas I almost always look at the date yes, especially if I'm potentially interested in answering the question. "There was nothing indicating it was an old question" Yes, except the date it was asked at the very top of the page. How easy does SO have to make it, eh? I agree with you that the tag just needs to be burninated, but come on. I personally replace the excel-vba tag with excel and/or vba any time I see one, old or new, and you should too. Individuals putting in small persistent efforts is how we get to have nice things. — TylerH 22 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by fbueckert
Good thing it's not you we're rating, then, Jordan. It's the content you're posting that's getting rated. As for requiring comments with downvotes...that's never going to happen. It's probably one of the most common requests on Meta. — fbueckert 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Andreas
Well.. since you ask. Don't bump questions with tag edits. And no I disagree. Let the automated system take care of the removal of tags. There is no need to do that manually. In my opinion there should not be a message in the tag saying not to use the tag, and the thread link should be removed until the system is ready to remove the tag. If it had been a few weeks late then sure, but a year?! — Andreas 46 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by jpmc26
For whatever it is or is not worth, this, in my opinion, means that SO is not focused on being a knowledge repository but rather on what I term a "help desk," meaning that our responsibility is to give out answers as much as possible rather than evaluate questions based on their general applicability (and thus their future value). I do think this represents a shift in site values, but at the moment, I'm less certain how much of one than I would have been previously. — jpmc26 22 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by jpmc26
@Makoto While I don't think this represents a complete answer to everything you asked about before, I do believe it provides a large portion of the answer. See my thoughts here. — jpmc26 26 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Shog9
To be clear, @jpmc26: I'm just describing how I've always approached this situation. I think it's a reasonable approach, but... YMMV — Shog9 ♦ 41 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by TylerH
@Andreas Not bumping questions with tag edits wouldn't make it easier to tell on a question page that the question is old. It sounds like it would just help you cover your forgetfulness/laziness. You literally have to skip over the question's date to get from the title to the body of the question. Also, what automated system? There is no automated system that removes bad tags. It requires users to identify them and then take action. Your final claim reminds me of ex post facto reasoning and wouldn't make sense in any other case, thus doesn't make sense here. — TylerH 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by TylerH
@Jordan By the way, there is another way to practically ensure you get attention on a question: raise a bounty. Regardless of question score, a question with an active bounty appears on the bounty tab's question list, rising closer to the top each day the question draws closer to the bounty's closure date. You can offer up to 500 reputation for an answer if it is something you really need help with, and even the minimum 50 rep bounty will usually entice a lot of people to give a question a second look. — TylerH 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by jpmc26
@Shog9 I don't know. It just seems to me that if our primary goal first is to be a knowledge repository, it seems to me we would want to be more aggressive in culling questions that are this specific but require covering so many topics at once. Rather, we would want readers to piece together that information themselves. I've also come to realize that if the asker had a better grasp of the issue (or was willing to spend more time refining their question), they could have trimmed away the file reading portion of their question entirely. I.e., strictly speaking, it's not a minimal example. — jpmc26 6 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Michael
@CindyMeister I hit it at 2k. OP may be referring to someone who is not in the review queue. — Michael 45 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by jpmc26
Also to be clear myself, I'm not trying to make an argument either way right now. I'm just reflecting on the implications of this approach. Maybe it's better if being a knowledge repository is a secondary goal, or maybe that was implicit in the fact we're a Q/A site rather than a straight up wiki. — jpmc26 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Shog9
I spent years working on a dairy farm, @jpmc26. The primary goal there is obtaining milk, but if you think you'll succeed in convincing cows to share that goal you're gonna have a bad time. Still, if you take care of your herd, feed them well, keep them happy and bred... You will get milk. Most of the folks asking questions here are not even aware of our goals; they probably should be, but expecting them to share those goals is likely not viable. Still, we can have milk in our tea. — Shog9 ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by MandyShaw
Are we talking about beginners in a specific topic, or beginners in programming, or beginners in problem determination? The real issue seems to me to be that novices need to learn how to research, diagnose, describe, and debug problems, but they often get no teaching or help in this area. — MandyShaw just now
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by fbueckert
You can request disassociation. Flag the question, use other. — fbueckert 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Kevin B
The information you presented in your comment (the name of the application you need to do the saving/renaming with) is rather important to answering your question i'd assume. — Kevin B 27 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Patrice
Your question is 'here is my problem. What do now?' — Patrice 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Ethan Fischer
Good idea. Did that — Ethan Fischer 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by George Stocker
It’s not a too broad question. I re-opened it. You could really boil your question down to one sentence: how to change extensions programmatically using python? — George Stocker ♦ 7 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Makoto
@GeorgeStocker: I request that you answer this question since you don't believe it to be too broad. — Makoto 19 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Nick A
@GeorgeStocker Open files -> Change exposure -> Save as new file type, that's not just changing extensions... — Nick A 57 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Kevin B
eh, not so much... assuming opening it up in an application and saving it out as something else might be doing more than just changing the extension. — Kevin B 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Makoto
@GeorgeStocker: It's one of three components I list. It's definitely not one that can be overlooked, but I would also imagine the actual part where someone wants to integrate with an application to provide validation would need to be checked to be sure that this kind of automation is even possible to begin with. — Makoto 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Kevin B
The lack of an attempt isn't the issue. It's lack of direction. An attempt would provide direction, but it isn't the only way to provide direction. — Kevin B 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by George Stocker
Questions should not be closed because the user hasn’t attempted anything. That’s a reason to downvote, not close. — George Stocker ♦ 2 mins ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Nick A
@GeorgeStocker I know I've posted this comment before previously, but I believe it holds here: "With all due respect I disagree, I don't necessarily want a code attempt, but I want OP to have put some thought into how they'd solve the problem: "I know that some may disagree here but "gimme teh codez" is not the best way to introduce yourself to a community. A demonstration of effort proves that they're willing to take the time to help themselves first." "*Nick A 51 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by George Stocker
@NickA feel free to downvote. There’s nothing new here; if you close a question due to lack of effort, expect a moderator (if they see it) to reopen it. meta.stackoverflow.com/a/253096/16587George Stocker ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Nick A
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by rene
You are on Meta. This question will not be answered here and you may want to go over the Checklist and How to Ask before you repost on main. Please consider deleting this question. — rene 1 min ago
 
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