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[ Boson ] New comment posted by EJoshuaS
I thought for a second that this was a new election too - I was about to downvote given what's been going on recently. — EJoshuaS 38 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Script47
'it's easier to think that a question is poorly-posed when its score is -2 and its critic's is +4, and the critic's rep is 40k when yours is 1k.' - Nope, that bears no relevance. — Script47 43 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user1365283
Can someone tell me why it is down voted before they down vote? maybe I mis-represented my question? , Thanks — user1365283 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by David Spector
Just add "unfollow", like on most fora. There are situations where comments and answers are no longer relevant. — David Spector 51 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by OverLordGoldDragon
You describe community responses as they should be, not as they are - denying the human emotional factor obfuscates reality. As for "useful for future visitors", that's my exact concern, not my rep - a Python expert can figure out my question, but not a relative newcomer - and latter can and will assign credibility to an existing negative response of the kind I received, and discourage further examination. — OverLordGoldDragon 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
@canon it completed — Kevin B 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by canon
As far as tutoring goes, whatever happened to that mentorship program? — canon 2 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by F1Krazy
"Results from the past are not a guaranteed contract [...] What is allowed evolved over time." This is a fair point, but I'm not sure it applies. The two examples OP has linked to so far were respectively posted just 4 and 34 hours before their own question. The difference in reception that OP is perceiving can't be explained by changing standards over time. — F1Krazy 36 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by OverLordGoldDragon
@Script47 It shouldn't, but it does. — OverLordGoldDragon 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by OverLordGoldDragon
If any of you could suggest a word better than "discussion" to express what I clarified in these comments, that'd be great — OverLordGoldDragon 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by GrumpyCrouton
@F1Krazy The difference in reception that OP is "perceiving" isn't really relevant, what is relevant is the actual statistical reception OPs question and the other two examples are receiving, and they were performing very similarly prior to the meta-effect. — GrumpyCrouton 13 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by GrumpyCrouton
@F1Krazy Okay, that's much more clear to me with your 2nd comment here, thanks :) — GrumpyCrouton just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by F1Krazy
@GrumpyCrouton That's why I said "the difference they're perceiving" and not just "the difference", because (as you said, prior to the Meta effect) it's debatable whether there was a difference. — F1Krazy 36 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Script47
@OverLordGoldDragon it does? I have a post here and here where I went "up against" two high rep users and somehow managed to "win". — Script47 53 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by BSMP
Your first edit summary doesn’t say that you’re just fixing a typo. It says you “updated” the class name. You’re allowed to fix typos in answers but you have to say that’s what’s happening in your edit. — BSMP 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by mustaccio
Voting to close as "no longer needed" -- corporate overlords now elect and eject our moderators. — mustaccio 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Paulie_D
[ Boson ] New comment posted by BSMP
Also, the audit system you want already exists. Note that robo-reviewers spam the Accept button; rejecting an edit takes an extra step. — BSMP 6 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
@OverLordGoldDragon denying the human emotional factor obfuscates reality yes, it obviously does. — rene 31 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by OverLordGoldDragon
"Comments do not derail a question. Nor do downvotes" - yes, they do (did). Illegitimatizing a question with false accusations of "can't be done" and "poor question" will bury the question - and instead of users learning something useful, they're left with false impressions on what's possible in Python. — OverLordGoldDragon 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by mxmissile
Thank you @RobertHarvey. You certainly have been help in my career. — mxmissile 2 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by GrumpyCrouton
@OverLordGoldDragon You seem very sure of some of the things you are saying here but bring little evidence to back up your claims, also your question and comments are full of arrogance/conceit in my opinion. You posted here because you presumably wanted input from the community as a whole about your perceptions of what went down on your question, but at the same time you shoot down all that feedback with "This is the way it actually is". — GrumpyCrouton 14 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Gimby
Indeed. "Updated class var name from X to Y, because <insert reason here>". If you don't know how to fill "insert reason here", the edit is probably wrong. — Gimby 21 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
@honk at least my mistakes are consistent ... — rene 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Matthew Taylor
@YvetteColomb You don't have to be a rocket scientist to know that making a video whilst driving is insane. — Matthew Taylor 2 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by honk
@rene: And my OCD is remorseless ;) — honk 49 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by OverLordGoldDragon
@GrumpyCrouton I am argued against - if a direct response to someone saying "you're wrong" is 'arrogance', what approach would you take instead? I don't attack users, I either agree/disagree or ask clarification. If I didn't respond, I'd be accused of "ignoring responses" — OverLordGoldDragon 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Script47
@OverLordGoldDragon fine... I'll bite. Where is your proof that rep bears relevance? I've provided mine that it doesn't now it's your turn. — Script47 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by OverLordGoldDragon
@GrumpyCrouton As for "evidence", how about Script47 - dared I respond to anyone here in the same manner to any of their claims, whoever responded would be showered with upvotes/agreements — OverLordGoldDragon 10 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by GrumpyCrouton
@OverLordGoldDragon It's not you saying "You're Wrong" that is making me feel as though you are arrogant. I can handle being told that I'm wrong, but it's the way that you formulate your replies. How is "in light of commenters' own lack of knowledge" not attacking these commenters? Talking to the people you are trying to get feedback from by saying things like "I'll spare a prolonged narrative on the human psychology involved here" such as this whole thing has some underlying meaning that only you can see leaves a bad taste in my mouth. How has Script47 said anything offensive to you? — GrumpyCrouton 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by GrumpyCrouton
@OverLordGoldDragon Me and Script have had disagreements in the past about things, but I don't see how anything they said may have offended you. You've discussed comments which you find discouraging, but fail to provide any reason why they are discouraging when they are either asking for clarification or giving you proof of an opposite viewpoint of yours. — GrumpyCrouton 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Patrice
@OverLordGoldDragon on 106 views (a lot probably coming since you posted this meta question), 4 people (+ those who upvoted these comments) commented about not understanding, or misinterpreting your question. Is it possible it's not as clear/obvious as you think it is? If a lot of ppl see your question and don't "get" its intent.... could it maybe be improved to be more obvious? Is that derailing, or is that trying to help to make it as useful as it can be? — Patrice 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by OverLordGoldDragon
@GrumpyCrouton Nor can I see how anything I've said should be "arrogant/conceitful." His response doesn't offend me, but I can imagine how it would to someone: "Where is your proof?" - he's challenging me, implying I'm incompetent, how dare he, etc -- I may actually open up an inquiry on Psychology StackExchange about this entire meta question, there's plenty of material here — OverLordGoldDragon 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by GrumpyCrouton
@OverLordGoldDragon You think it's discouraging for Script to "challenge you" to provide proof of statements you are making on a post that you made seeking feedback? He is not implying you are incompetent, actually the opposite, he is implying that you may have proof of your viewpoint as he has already given his on the opposite. You don't find "in light of commenters' own lack of knowledge." or "I'll spare a prolonged narrative on the human psychology involved here" as arrogant? I think that you think everyone is attacking you, when they aren't. However, this discussion is going nowhere. — GrumpyCrouton 16 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Patrice
As much as you're correct, I think there's "worse" than the OP's age here, when it comes to "issues" with the assumptions made in this question. — Patrice 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Megan Risdal
@javadba Okay, thank you for elaborating. FYI the robot click thing was not serious, don't worry. :) We'll be toning down the illustration soon. — Megan Risdal ♦ 11 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by OverLordGoldDragon
@Patrice I responded each of the questions to my question, except one implying my question's 'asking too much' (ivan_pozdeev) - wasn't much to say there, ideological disagreement on question mechanics. — OverLordGoldDragon 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Raedwald
[ Boson ] New comment posted by OverLordGoldDragon
@GrumpyCrouton I don't find it discouraging, as I clearly stated. The irony here is, I'm being called arrogant for doing what you're defending Script for doing - rationally challenging my statements, as I am others'. — OverLordGoldDragon 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by GrumpyCrouton
@OverLordGoldDragon I think the problem is more a misunderstanding on what you think SO is for, how it works, and what the rules are. — GrumpyCrouton 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by OverLordGoldDragon
@GrumpyCrouton Well, I did ask for a better alternative for the word "discussion" - this appears to be what much of the heat is over — OverLordGoldDragon 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by OverLordGoldDragon
While still active, where should I open a question as to why my answer's the less preferable out of all the answers, when it's the only one that actually answers the question (and provides an explanation)? Meta? — OverLordGoldDragon 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nicol Bolas
@OverLordGoldDragon: "Illegitimatizing a question with false accusations of "can't be done" and "poor question" will bury the question" No, they don't. Comments are not as important as questions and answers. This is why we hide all but 5 comments on posts. This is why comments are limited to 600 characters. And so forth. Comments do not significantly affect the reception of a question. If your question is legitimate, the answers below the question will easily undo any misconceptions by incorrect comments. Basically, stop taking comments so seriously. — Nicol Bolas 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by GrumpyCrouton
@OverLordGoldDragon I've deleted most of my comments here as they are very noisy considering you seem to refuse to accept any feedback if it doesn't confirm what you believe is the correct perception. — GrumpyCrouton 18 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Script47
@OverLordGoldDragon let's take this step by step. What are you challenging here? — Script47 36 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by JL2210
@mustaccio So there's no more mod elections? — JL2210 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nicol Bolas
@OverLordGoldDragon: That's not how SO works. You post content here; other people decide how valuable that content is. If other people think that the other answers are better than yours, then that's the way it is, and you don't get to complain about it. If an answer is actually incorrect, you can downvote it and comment on it, but that's it. You don't get to complain forever about other people's opinions about it. You also don't get to declare unilaterally that anyone who disagrees with you must not have understood the question or is not knowledgable or whatever. — Nicol Bolas 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by fbueckert
@OverLordGoldDragon Because viewers do not believe yours is useful. You are allowed to choose which answer you believe is most useful, but you don't get to choose which answers actually answer the question. — fbueckert 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by OverLordGoldDragon
@Patrice Did both — OverLordGoldDragon 16 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Felipe
Can we add the option for "yes, and I don't care/doesn't bother me" — Felipe 53 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Patrice
@OverLordGoldDragon did you edit your question in consequence, or did you simply reply in comments? cause the important part is for the question to be "self-contained". Once you've edited the question, you flag the comments as "no longer needed". All I see here is more of the "stack is evil" that ppl throw around when it's simply an expectation mismatch (which, to be fair, Stack does a piss poor job of setting up properly...) — Patrice 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Script47
I'll be honest, I have no idea what you are trying to say. Can you please rewrite it a little clearly? — Script47 just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by OverLordGoldDragon
@NicolBolas People can also explain their votes, unelss they're voting purely off of whims of their heart (which'd prove my point) - and I'm interested in knowing why they vote against mine when it (1) actually answers the question, (2) provides an explanation (others don't), (3) provides a working example (others don't) — OverLordGoldDragon 25 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Edwin Buck
@ThomasHarris I would have it go up to 4. My commute is (round trip) 2.5 hours, should I do the normal leave / arrive times. — Edwin Buck 7 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Andy
Ha. I suppose the good news is that it isn't my job being featured. — Andy ♦ 20 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nicol Bolas
@OverLordGoldDragon: "People can also explain their votes" But since they don't have to, you do not have the right to judge someone for choosing not to explain their vote. As for why they might downvote it? Well, your answer is terse, dense, and difficult to maintain. In short, it's not code that anyone should welcome seeing in their codebase. By contrast, the longer answer is much easier to digest. — Nicol Bolas 45 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
I've now gotten this email twice and it features the company I currently work for ... the matching algorithm works ... — rene 59 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by OverLordGoldDragon
@NicolBolas They don't have to, and I'm not forcing them to - hence "where do I ask". Your explanation works, sure - but I can see many others arguing the direct opposite, as mine has half the lines, and each line is clearly explained — OverLordGoldDragon 8 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Trilarion
It's an okay question. The first comment is a bit overly critical concerning rather border cases, but one should always remember that what really counts are the questions and answers. — Trilarion 45 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by OverLordGoldDragon
@Patrice Fair suggestion, thanks - I suppose comments are more appropriate — OverLordGoldDragon 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Patrice
btw, @Over your last edit is technically noise. It's unrelated to the question, and most editors would remove it if they see it. I don't feel like jumping into an edit war, so do what you want with it, but as per Stack's rules, anything that isn't about the technical nature of your question shouldn't be in the question. I would trash the whole "edit" paragraph. But that's up to you — Patrice 2 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Edwin Buck
Seems sort of wrong to dehumanize developers as beverage code conversion machines. — Edwin Buck 35 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Felipe
While I don't necessarily think this question should make the poll, downvoters care to give your opinions on why you made this decision? — Felipe 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Makoto
You must be referring to this question. I'm not sure where you got hostility from in that context; when looking at that code as a Python professional, I can't really make sense of it either. Yes, there are syntax errors there. No, the fact that you use visual programming languages is not a relevant factor in your specific question. No, it's not clear what any of that is meant to actually be. I get that you're not an expert at Python - no one expects that - but you should be prepared to answer questions of the code you wrote. — Makoto 13 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Felipe
@Zoethetransgirl there is an obvious interest from the perspective of data science. There is no need to take such a defensive stance. — Felipe 40 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zoe the transgirl
@Felipe there's lots of reasons (and need) to take a defensive stance.Not everything is worth running statistics on. — Zoe the transgirl 57 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by nick_gabpe
What type of transportation do you primarily use to commute to work? It depends on season. During the cold season it a bus during th warm season it a bicycle. What should I select? On my previous job it was the guy who commute with train and bicycle. What should he select? Is it possible add item "it depends" or "multiple"? — nick_gabpe 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Draken
You'll probably find the answer will be no...: "It's up to the company to configure the targeting for their job listings"Draken 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jerry Coffin
We've had (more than?) our share of differences in the past, but I'd like to go on record as saying that I think you've raised excellent points. — Jerry Coffin 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by fbueckert
Your edit kind of misses the point of what Stack Overflow is trying to do. No one is obligated to help; we're all volunteers here, and the expectation that you are entitled to support is wrong. Mischaracterizing that lack of help as just people who are chasing points is trying to argue a point that nobody is making. — fbueckert 22 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Felipe
That would be your personal opinion, and you have every right to express it. But you would find that position could be argued for nearly every question on the developer survey, and yet we still participate because data science helps us better understand the world around us. — Felipe 59 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by canon
Also, stating that this is a fair compromise doesn’t make it so. — canon just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by OrangeDog
You probably had different moderators handle each flag. — OrangeDog 38 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
Don't target individual users. If you find cases of it naturally through browsing questions, that's fine. but targeting is bad. — Kevin B 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
I would flag one post of the user, explain the pattern/nature of the comments and state that you raised this issue earlier but didn't stop the comments. Using a post flag allows a mod to respond to you if they feel you should stop flagging that. On comment flags they can't provide feedback. And on post flags you have 500 charcters to explain an issue, on comment flags only 150. After that, move on. — rene 1 min ago
 
4:58 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by George Stocker
@mark there’s a lot of history there. I’m trying to figure out a way of sharing it without it coming across as dunking. — George Stocker ♦ 12 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Mark Amery
Oh, c'mon. I upvoted this because I approved thoroughly of the protocol seemingly being followed - check first with the aggrieved user whether they're okay with you revealing private information needed to address the question properly, then do so. But now it seems, per your comments under meta.stackoverflow.com/a/389956/1709587, that you don't actually have any intention of sharing anything (and are happy to insult the user and accuse them of asking in bad faith to justify not doing so), even though YCS has now asked you to do so. — Mark Amery 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Mark Amery
@GeorgeStocker Ah, very good then. Sorry for reading too much into your comments below. (And yes, I'm aware YCS has some, uh, history.) — Mark Amery 7 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
Of my over 60,000 close votes 50% were exactly as you want them to be. Without concrete examples I doubt any of us can work out what they need to change when they Vtc. At least I can't make out what you expect me to do different. — rene 25 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
There are other places on the internet where you can solicit opinions directly. The SE network isn't one of them. — Kevin B 30 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick A
"I don't care that they doesn't meet the strict scope of one Stack or another." - That's the definition of off-topic — Nick A 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Patrice
why should stack become the place for all "orphan" questions that don't have a home? Stack made the decision to be narrow in scope, on purpose. — Patrice 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Brandon_J
FWIW I think you mean "way" too often. — Brandon_J 39 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by BSMP
except for the most flagrant cases You need to be more specific. Most people here already think that most off topic questions are flagrantly off topic. If there are specific close reasons you think should go away, you should make a case for it that includes mitigating the problems that allowing those questions causes. — BSMP 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by ekhumoro
@KevinB. The majority of them were comments I've encountered before, since I look at most of the questions in some tags with relatively low traffic. The comments were becoming increasingly annoying to both me and other users, so I decided to do something about it. I don't think targeting is necessarily always bad. Sometimes you need to look at the whole history of behviour to make sure you're taking the right action. — ekhumoro 9 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Alon Eitan
Some of the questions might be off-topic and can still be helpful, that's why they are just getting closed and not being deleted by the community — Alon Eitan 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by fbueckert
There are no degrees of, "off-topic". It's a binary set: either it's on-topic, or it's not. Even questions that would be on-topic can be closed for other reasons. — fbueckert 27 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by adiga
How can I encourage Stack Overflow to rein in the 'subjective' vigilantes? "We already tried supporting those questions, we even gave them their own site. Sadly, it didn't work out" — adiga 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by j08691
Would be nice to hear from the new CEO who just started today — j08691 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by ekhumoro
@rene I don't think I've ever used a post-flag, so that's useful to know. How does a moderator reply - direct to your inbox? — ekhumoro 59 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Mark Ransom
I was surprised to see your name on a question closure today. I guess this is a Minnesota Goodbye? — Mark Ransom 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Mark Amery
"-500 points for an admin coming in to tell you there were other issues with the moderator" - the staff member in question has not in fact told us that. This answer is premised on false facts. — Mark Amery 32 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ilmari Karonen
@MarkRansom: Robert has resigned as a moderator, as you can tell by the absence of a ♦ after their username. AFAIK they haven't said they would quit using Stack Overflow, and they can still vote to close questions just like any other user with enough rep points. — Ilmari Karonen 6 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by BDL
It's -500 for an employee (not a community mod) who is telling us that there have been problems with a mod. They didn't say that there were other problems than what Monica wrote in her post. Since they didn't say that monica's statement is wrong, we can only assume that they are correct. And in this case a mod was fired because they might be doing something in future which would violate a (at the point of writing) unpublished change in the CoC. — BDL 25 secs ago
 
5:38 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Robert Harvey
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Brandon_J
@j08691 for sure! (Once he settles in, of course) — Brandon_J 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by canon
You wouldn't instruct a junior programmer to fish for themselves before asking you a question? A: Presumably, your time is much more valuable than the junior's. B: You're doing a disservice to that junior and their future coworkers if you're fostering an "ask first" behavior. Like mama always said, "Look with your eyes, not with your mouth."canon 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin
…Stack Overflow grew big and popular because it was a collaboration between staff, moderators, and contributors to do what was best for the community, but then at some point it became just another corporation where profit is paramount and user feedback goes into a black hole where at best we might get a meaningless boilerplate HR response. When the CMs don't want to post something to meta, it's because they know what they've been told to post is more of the same corporate bureaucracy at the cost of contributors and community. — Kevin 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin
Have you considered the underlying reason why users react negatively towards employees' posts? I think it can be summed up with one word: Attitude. When I joined, there were few employees, and those that were here would listen to the community's ideas, and even post rough ideas looking for feedback. Then, over the years, SE got more corporate and the posts took a sharp turn from "what do you guys think about this?" to "this is how we're doing it" and the effect community feedback has seems to have dropped off to nearly nothing. Unless a negative twitter post gets popular, of course. [cont…] — Kevin 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by halfer
Can you expand on what you mean by "gh visual programming" and "text based programming"? — halfer 17 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Clive
I don’t care...I care that they helped me. Yeah, not an attitude that scales very well... — Clive 22 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
@ekhumoro no, you have to keep an eye on your flag history, the same place where you found your declined flags — rene 38 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by gnat
[ Boson ] New comment posted by gnat
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dan Neely
@j08691 in private I suspect his reaction was some form of "ARGH!!! Why right before I started!!!!" because outside of the the fire department no one likes walking into burning buildings. — Dan Neely 16 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by halfer
If your broad point was that someone was rude or unfriendly on the main site, then you can flag a comment as either of these things. Use the "flag" device against a question, answer, or comment. — halfer 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Blastfurnace
If you already had a solution and wanted a review or alternatives then post your question on codereview.stackexchange.comBlastfurnace 48 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by ekhumoro
@rene Thanks. If I'd known that post-flags were handled differently, I probably would've gone about things differently right from the start. — ekhumoro 40 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by canon
For what it's worth, you may very well get your wish with the way things are going. — canon 11 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin
If you really want to repair the relationship between SE, the mods, and the greater community, withdrawing into a shell and cutting off even more transparency and communication is exactly the opposite of what you should be doing. I encourage you to contact Sklivvz as he suggests and see what he has to say, though I expect there to be no surprises there. Otherwise, you might as well admit that SE has become a corporate entity that no longer cares what its users think. — Kevin 53 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Alexander O&#39;Mara
@TadeuszKopec The implication of illness is something jpmc26 added. Tim's quote doesn't suggest any illness, it just suggests talking to a therapist about it. Contrary to a dying stigma, many people with no mental heath issues do see a therapist from time to time, including plenty of therapists themselves. — Alexander O'Mara 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Robert Harvey
I'm not sure what you expect here. Your question was closed by a gold badge holder as a duplicate, and then deleted by three other community members. Apparently the community (or at least three members of it with significant reputation) did not consider it important enough to keep, as is their right. In addition, you apparently got a decent answer. I'd say the outcome was pretty good. — Robert Harvey 10 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tom
You added the "welcoming" tag, because your answer got downvoted? Do you think you're still a new user? — Tom 7 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by The Guy with The Hat
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Andras Deak
I agree. A few weeks ago I wanted to tag a MATLAB question with broadcasting, only to realize the same thing. It didn't seem off enough to me to consider a retag, but now that you mention it this is very much straightforward. — Andras Deak 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Erik A
Don't answer duplicates is a fair message, though. We close questions because they shouldn't be answered. That's why closing makes people unable to answer them. — Erik A 11 secs ago
 
6:28 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by dfhwze
@Kevin Its users are the product. — dfhwze 50 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin
@dfhwze indeed, and my point is it wasn't always that way, at least not as overtly. Their shift to that mentality, or at least giving up the pretext that they cared about users, is what caused the rift here. — Kevin 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Izkata
The decline really became noticeable shortly after Atwood left in 2012. — Izkata 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Andras Deak
Also, all of the [numpy-broadcasting] questions should be tagged with [numpy] whether or not the tag gets renamed. But of course the usual caveats apply: we should not flood the front page with old posts, crap should be closed rather than edited, and good posts should be given more than just a retag to fix any possible issues with them while we're at it. — Andras Deak 1 min ago
 
6:52 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by chris p bacon
People should boycott SE. Time to show who's responsible for the company's success. No more answering for a week and we'll get the good old, real SO back — chris p bacon 53 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
@chrispbacon: That's unrealistic. The small portion of users that visits meta isn't going to have an impact if they go on strike. — Cerbrus 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by ngn
@chrispbacon comments deleted in 3, 2, 1... — ngn 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Louis
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ed Cottrell
Thanks, @Cerbrus. — Ed Cottrell 42 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by kbickar
The second time I submitted the edit I included more information because I realized reviewer aren't always familiar with the language they're reviewing, but it was the same result. — kbickar 51 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by chris p bacon
I know it is @Cerbrus... However - it's not a good sign to see the next good moderator leave. — chris p bacon 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
As much as I sympathise with your reasoning, I'm sad to see you go as well, Ed. You've always been a positive influence. The best to you too. — Cerbrus 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Heretic Monkey
"...and were done by one person...Why would one do that knowing they are going to delete it now anyway? It really upset me." Seems like you're upset about an assumption you've made, rather than any objective fact. — Heretic Monkey 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Will
Glad I got here just in time i.stack.imgur.com/uhUvF.pngWill 6 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by F&#233;lix Gagnon-Grenier
@Alexander please. Anybody else suggesting one should go see see a therapist would be seen as totally out of line. If you don't understand why, that might be between you and your therapist. — Félix Gagnon-Grenier 22 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Erik A
Unfortunately, it seems like the community loses double here... Once for losing great mods like Robert and you, and then once again for the impending doom that is the CoC changes that are about to come. I get the need to make a statement, I truly regret it has to come to this. — Erik A 53 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by kbickar
@BSMP, it seems the audit system if it exists is broken. The people that reviewed and rejected the valid edit are top contributors - if there was really an audit system them unqualified reviewers such as them would be prevented from taking such actions — kbickar 35 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by F&#233;lix Gagnon-Grenier
So while you are not completely wrong, this still qualifies as bikesheding, the larger point is that it's inappropriate, mental illness innuendo or not. — Félix Gagnon-Grenier 49 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Alexander O&#39;Mara
@FélixGagnon-Grenier Only those who subscribe to the offensive belief that seeing a therapist means mental illness. Which it seems you do? So I guess you intended to be offensive, so you give me no choice but to flag your comment, because you made a point to say you were trying to offend. — Alexander O'Mara 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user000001
@Cerbrus: Even if everybody left tomorrow, stack exchange would still own the database of existing questions, so it would take quite a bit of time to make a difference in overall unique visitors. — user000001 8 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by F&#233;lix Gagnon-Grenier
No. I don't think seeing a therapist implies mental illness @Alexander, that you suggest otherwise at this point mostly mean you disregard what I say. I've literally said it twice. Have a great day. — Félix Gagnon-Grenier 57 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Brandon_J
I suppose this should be featured, too? — Brandon_J 25 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Alexander O&#39;Mara
I'm also flagging this post for offensively implying seeing a therapist means a mental illness, which is leading to more offensive comments parroting that sentiment. — Alexander O'Mara 39 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Makoto
I'm glad to hear that you're making the right decision for you. I'm just bitter about losing you as a mod. (Though to be fair, you haven't visited the Metahounds in quite a while...) — Makoto 54 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Travis J
When you push all the content creators out, and close off all of the avenues for users who want to have factually informed opinions, all you leave as qualifying questions are those which are solvable with an example of a broken problem; you could call this set of questions "debug questions". That a large portion of users playing in these queues both lament the situation but also demand fixable code as a criteria creates a problem not easily solved. — Travis J 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Robert Harvey
@will: That's not half as bad as using all caps for your SQL. — Robert Harvey 8 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Will
I'm glad you decided to step down as a mod. Not because of your actions, but because you tried so damn hard to make things better and always were getting beat up for it. I didn't always agree with your meta posts, but they always came from a good heart with a desire to help. Thanks for trying so hard, you've done some good, now enjoy your mod retirement. — Will 44 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ed Cottrell
I was sorry to see you go, Robert, and I'm sorry that I've had to join you. It was a pleasure serving with you. — Ed Cottrell 18 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ed Cottrell
Thank you for the kind words. It was an honor and a pleasure to work with you, as well. — Ed Cottrell 52 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by GrumpyCrouton
I'd rather this be featured alongside Robert's resignation post instead of the "2020 developer survey", which I'm having a really hard time really caring about in comparison to other huge changes that are going on right now. — GrumpyCrouton 13 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jean-Fran&#231;ois Fabre
we can't comment on declined comment flags. But unless you're really abusing the system (in which case you'd get a moderator message), having your flags declined or marked as helpful doesn't change much. — Jean-François Fabre ♦ 22 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Your Common Sense
A very interesting stuff. May I ask for some links that support the second case? It's mind blowing to say the least. — Your Common Sense just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ed Cottrell
Thanks, rene! You're one of the people who has made this community worth fighting for. — Ed Cottrell 53 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user000001
@RobertHarvey: Correction, it wasn't OP's question, he was the one that provided the "decent answer". But out of the 82 visitors on the question, three decided the answer wasn't decent after all. On the bright side, it only needs one more undelete vote. — user000001 31 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jean-Fran&#231;ois Fabre
sorry to have marked flag as helpful for 3 people already who asked for featuring this question because I thought it was already done. Now I must admit that I don't have a clue how to do it, but I'll try to do something about that :) — Jean-François Fabre ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by GrumpyCrouton
@Jean-FrançoisFabre No problem, deleting my comment :) — GrumpyCrouton 16 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Makoto
There's a stigma on deleting duplicates within a specific window. No clear guidance exists on when it's OK to do that, and that seems to be what's happened here. The closure and the deletion are two sides of the coin. One user has been prominent and adamant about deleting those kinds of questions and it is of no surprise to me that they're back in the thick of it, deleting questions like this. — Makoto 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by GBlodgett
From an average user like me who hasn't had the honor of interacting much with the mods but see the incredible work you do, thank you for your years of service. It doesn't go unnoticed — GBlodgett 29 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jean-Fran&#231;ois Fabre
"I haven't touched Java in at least 12 years". Give it another 12 years :) — Jean-François Fabre ♦ 2 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jean-Fran&#231;ois Fabre
@GrumpyCrouton if we don't want to lose another mod tonight I suggest I don't remove "featured" tag on 2020 developper survey, though. Seems that featuring widget only displays 2 featured posts... — Jean-François Fabre ♦ 44 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Andrew Tobilko
"with a combined Java tag score of nearly 20,000" - I don't see why the overall Java scope of the guys who closed it matters. You are basically saying "big guys came and deleted it, accept it" (no disrespect to anyone). — Andrew Tobilko 53 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tom
@AndrewTobilko Or it means that their decision is as a bad as you try to make it here with your question. — Tom 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Andrew Tobilko
@Tom is there any "welcoming" policy for "veterans"? I mean they also can be treated unfairly or/and unfriendly... — Andrew Tobilko 32 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Samuel Liew
@canon it is definitely a middle ground I can negotiate with the other mods, because the alternatives are to delete the entire post, or to remove the featured tag. I will no longer argue about this since it has been resolved. — Samuel Liew ♦ 50 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Andrew Tobilko
@RobertHarvey I am the answerer. I am OK with having it closed (since the duplicate with a helpful answer was found), but I didn't expect it to be removed. I still believe it's a good question and might be "useful as search fodder". — Andrew Tobilko 6 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Temani Afif
Next year Mod election: We need 20 new moderators ... requirement: nothing, simply be registred to the site. — Temani Afif 9 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tom
@AndrewTobilko No, as far as I know there isn't. In this situation I would create a new meta question asking if the welcoming tag could be used more broadly to applicable for any situation, not only new users. The tag description would need an update, too. — Tom 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
@TemaniAfif with this tempo it is more likely the new mods will wear their Hat during Winter Bash ... — rene 16 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Andrew Tobilko
@RobertHarvey you, guys, keep emphasising "the significant reputation" which isn't important when it comes to closing (you only need to have 10K+ reputation [which is a relatively low requirement] and common sense) — Andrew Tobilko 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by BDL
I'm not sure if I understand what you mean: Do you suggest that members of StackOverflow should somehow provide reviews/quality checking for off-site tutorials? I don't think this will fly because SO doesn't own those tutorials nor is there any way to force tutorial owners to cooperate. — BDL 59 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
Ideally, links to external resources (blogs etc) in answers/querstions should be not an important part of the post such that removing it wouldn't have a negative impact on the quality of the post. — Kevin B 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Mysticial
Thanks to all the moderators who have served. Who would've thought that pronoun-gate would be the final straw for so many moderators and users? — Mysticial 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Makoto
I'm not sure what you're looking for...are you saying that blog posts are referencing Stack Overflow questions/answers and they're out of date, or are Stack Overflow canonical questions/answers are out of date? At least the latter we have a snowball's chance of fixing. — Makoto 2 mins ago
 
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[ Boson ] New comment posted by Andrew Tobilko
@ErikA It wasn't a duplicate when I added my answer. I didn't make any prior research (I know I should have). It was pretty specific and I doubted that I would find a dup (judging from the comments, people find it difficult as well). We also close questions because no more answers are needed. It doesn't mean answers to a dup are bad and should be downvoted (not my case) — Andrew Tobilko 27 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
No headphones? no sound device at all? — Kevin B 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Yvette Colomb
@Will thanks, I'm wondering if I've done any good ttytt. This is an unprecedented disaster for the site. — Yvette Colomb 19 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by dmckee
I'm old enough that I at least have the habits of printed documentation, but my employer doesn't actually provide hard-bound documents more recent than about 10 years, so internet outages really cut into productivity. — dmckee 39 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Yvette Colomb
@MatthewTaylor roflmao! fair call my friend, fair call! — Yvette Colomb 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by PraveenKumar Lalasangi
I know about amount of downvotes that will come for my post. But in any way like SO certified tutorial? If a link is posted for an answer there should be a way to identify that link has solution. Like if i link my github repository for a question, visitors will download code and spend most of time.. — PraveenKumar Lalasangi 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by gnat
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zoe the transgirl
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TylerH
@AndrewTobilko The intent there is to indicate that the community has clearly afforded them the position of "Java subject matter expert" -- e.g. users who are better positioned than anyone else to determine whether the post really differs from the duplicate. It is for this reason I referred to their Java tag score rather than their reputations (which would be even higher in general). — TylerH 34 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick A
@Cerbrus It does, she downvoted to say, I'm not happy you resigned — Nick A 50 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
(Imo) That makes no sense... Downvote the cause, not the effect. — Cerbrus 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by JL2210
To the pedantic people trying to close this question: stopJL2210 2 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TylerH
FYI - I've binned your request in SOCVR - per our rules we do not allow requests for posts that are under active moderation/discussion on Meta. See item 15 - subpoint #6. — TylerH 41 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ed Cottrell
Thanks, Yvette. Take care. — Ed Cottrell 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ed Cottrell
Thank you for the kind words. — Ed Cottrell 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Yvette Colomb
@Cerbrus the whole thing is just sad. Not the voting the resignations — Yvette Colomb 17 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
Whoa easy there. This answer had 2 downvotes before I submitted my comment. I'm not telling you how to vote, I'm responding to part of your answer. — Cerbrus 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Yvette Colomb
@EdCottrell I feel ill, I hate to see who's next — Yvette Colomb 23 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Qui-Gon Jinn
Good point Kevin, thanks — Qui-Gon Jinn 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by canon
RTFM and LMGTFY... Nobody likes to be criticized for being lazy, particularly when there's truth in it. — canon 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by JL2210
@YvetteColomb Please tell me you've taken a shower since that YouTube video you posted. — JL2210 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Yvette Colomb
@JL2210 which one? :D lmao implied humour I shower once a month And why are you concerned about my personal hygiene? O.o — Yvette Colomb 40 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Yvette Colomb
@JL2210 wth are you talking about person — Yvette Colomb 34 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Andrew Tobilko
1) You are great at finding dups - it's a fact. You may have included 27 links (search gets easier when a sentence from an official source is given) Anyway, I really appreciate it. — Andrew Tobilko 42 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by JL2210
It just seemed... odd. — JL2210 1 min ago
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