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12:06 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by cs95
To those voting to close as unclear: What about this is unclear? — cs95 1 min ago
 
12:20 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Elias Zamaria
I can't find the feature anywhere. If I click the "Filter" thing on a questions page, I see some options, like "Newest", "Recent activity", and "Most votes", but not "Bounty size". — Elias Zamaria 34 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Patrice
@Yvette unprecented.... For now. Give it time, the powers that be will likely find a worse way to slip up soon :(..... — Patrice 18 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Patrice
@berendi well... When all the experts are gone and the newbies DONT come here anymore cause it's not the place for good answers anymore .... Ad revenue will dwindle :/ — Patrice 13 secs ago
 
 
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1:30 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Martijn Pieters
It would help if that was made explicit somewhere. :-) without your explanation it looked like a bug to me. If you opted in to occasional announcements before, you are already opted in. — Martijn Pieters ♦ 27 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tas
The sentiment here is probably nice but the message is... confusing. TBH I'm not really sure what most of this means — Tas 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Benjamin Popper
Fair point, I will edit the blog now to clarify. — Benjamin Popper 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Althea C
gh = grasshopper. we do a sort of programming by linking components. tldr its like actual text based programming coding cuz theres the logic in between components and all, but the thing is that was my exact issue with it all: I had a logic going on, I thought my code would work, but it didn't and I felt like calling what I thought was said logic etc nonsense just because I didnt know the nuances of a variable variable nonsense was pure hostility. — Althea C 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by muru
I didn't expect "occasional" to become regular. The email you should have sent was an announcement of whatever this is, not "Issue #1" directly. — muru 46 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by JohnC
There is a tyranny in the use of Close: Off Topic and such, including 17+ down votes on this entirely legitimate and useful question. This discourages new folks like myself from participating. Some stack moderators are too quick to judge and the mechanism to overturn these decisions on meta is too time consuming. I'd rather leave it to non-admins to decide on most Close decisions and live with some off topics rather than aim for such high quality that it excludes more good questions than it helps. — JohnC 31 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by JohnC
There is a tyranny in the use of Close: Off Topic and such, including 17+ down votes on this entirely legitimate and useful question. This discourages new folks like myself from participating. Some stack moderators are too quick to judge and the mechanism to overturn these decisions on meta is too time consuming. I'd rather leave it to non-admins to decide on most Close decisions and live with some off topics rather than aim for such high quality that it excludes more good questions than it helps. — JohnC 33 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by David W
The problem is that the thought police are now working proactively to demand your compliance with their world-view pre-emptively. That's the core of this entire debacle. — David W 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Adam Lear
@muru That’s fair. On the flip side, this way you know exactly what you’ll be getting if you stick with it. It’s both an announcement and an example. So we figured doing that but also making this a separate email category you can opt out of was a reasonable combination. — Adam Lear ♦ 57 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Yvette Colomb
@Patrice new CEO - crisis on the site, at least one person's head will roll. A hopeless incompetent debacle. — Yvette Colomb 43 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by JohnC
I agree that poor quality and duplicate questions should be closed with a rigorous approach. The OP focus is more or equally about "too broad" or "off topic" or "not likely to be useful" which your answer doesn't so well apply to. If a few zealous moderators deem a question "too broad" or "off topic" but the community likes it, generally the moderators win because the threshold to overturn moderator decisions is too high and cos community folks have other priorities than debates on meta. — JohnC 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by JohnC
More than half the Closed: Off Topic questions I find via Google search provided exactly the info I needed to solve an urgent work challenge. I disagree that the issue is solely "pissed off users with bad questions". We are throwing the baby out with the bath water in some cases and need to find accommodation for some of these broader, off topic or opinion questions. — JohnC 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by JohnC
More than half the Closed: Off Topic questions I find via Google search provided exactly the info I needed to solve an urgent work challenge. I disagree that the issue is solely "pissed off users with bad questions". We are throwing the baby out with the bath water in some cases and need to find accommodation for some of these broader, off topic or opinion questions. — JohnC 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Laurel
@EliasZamaria Although it looked like it was going to be possible when I last updated this answer, it's not. Idk what I should do with this answer. Maybe I'll edit it to remind people that we used to have this feature, once upon a time (i.e. 2016). — Laurel just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TomServo
This is gibberish. — TomServo 49 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Qui-Gon Jinn
I like your question, don't understand why they deleted it — Qui-Gon Jinn 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TylerH
FWIW I was not auto opted in. Kevin B mentioned something about it in chat and I immediately went to go look (along with checking my inbox) and it was toggled "off" (and I had no email in my inbox). NB - I am only signed up for research emails and nothing else. — TylerH 1 min ago
 
2:58 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by kbickar
@MartijnPieters The first person to review it rejected it for the same reason. The only reason it was accepted was the original author saw it — kbickar 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by kbickar
Well it's clear that no one is interested in fixing process failures and any attempt to do so is just met with down votes. Looks like this site is going the same route Wikipedia did where bureaucracy and gatekeeping rules — kbickar 1 min ago
 
3:12 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by elliotching
Favorite star marks QUESTION but not PARTICULAR ANSWER — elliotching just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by elliotching
Putting a star option beside each ANSWER will be much more helpful compared to give me shareable link (to that answer). I don't like bookmark either, bookmarks store locally (required sync across devices MANUALLY). — elliotching 1 min ago
 
4:02 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cornstalks
@TemaniAfif: If there was a moderator election right now I'd totally run. My "vote for me" pitch: I want to be a moderator so I can join the resignation club. — Cornstalks 36 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by pppery
Do not run for moderator if you do not actually wish to moderate. — pppery 39 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by John Omielan
@DavidW As I commented to a recent main meta Monica Cellio answer, this situation strongly reminds me of the Minority Report movie. — John Omielan 10 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cindy Meister
Althea, as you're new to the site, a couple of tips for using it effectively:1) when replying to someone in comments, in order to notify them you need to put a@ in front of their screen name; 2) Stack Overflow is not a "forum", so there are no automatic notifications; 3) Discussions must be on-topic, please consult the guidelines on Stack Overflow MAIN site about how to ask questions in the HELP. 4) You should NOT ask questions in an ANSWER. This is a Q&A venue: One question and one or more answers. If you wnat to ask something, start a new question. — Cindy Meister 14 secs ago
 
4:34 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by paddy
This post is the first I've come across regarding the moderator resignations, and is very upsetting. I'm looking deeper into the other complaints, after which I will consider removing all my contributions and my account. — paddy 16 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Althea C
@CindyMeister its a rhetorical question... — Althea C 1 min ago
 
5:04 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by OverLordGoldDragon
I don't intend on proceeding with this inquiry further, as this community has clearly received the question better. My responses may appear 'condenscending' post-fact, when the progressive acts of unfairly illegitimatizing my question can no longer be seen. — OverLordGoldDragon 26 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cindy Meister
@kbickar ^^ Exactly. The author approved it. Editing answers is always touchy, especially the code. Reviewers have to assume that the author of an answer knew what they were doing. The better approach would have been to leave a comment for the author, pointing out the typo, giving the author the chance to correct it. And others trying to use the answer should see the comment, as well. If all else fails, it's also possible to post one's own answer. — Cindy Meister 1 min ago
 
5:24 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by souser12345
@Cornstalks you have my vote! :D — souser12345 24 secs ago
 
5:42 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Manohar Reddy
@paddy I too hate this behaviour from stack over flow but please don't remove your contributions , It will effect us developers more . — Manohar Reddy 36 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cindy Meister
Yes, from what I understand about what you're looking for, that would be the more appropriate venue. "Horses for courses", as they say... If you want discussion here to stop it might be good to put an edit at the top of this saying you've discovered Code Review is the better place for the question :-) — Cindy Meister 1 min ago
 
6:02 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by souser12345
@cs95: it's still unclear how deep this travesty develops — souser12345 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Martin James
I'm staying out of it, at least until the current MSE fiasco starts to infect SO:( — Martin James 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Victor Stafusa
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Martin James
...or until compilers and linkers admit to their race, colour and sexual orientation. — Martin James 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dalija Prasnikar
@paddy you cannot remove your contributions. All you can do is to have your account deleted and your name removed from your contributions. Please don't do that. If you want to protest then don't contribute any more (for the time being) — Dalija Prasnikar 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Roberrrt
Thank you for the answer! — Roberrrt 46 secs ago
 
6:28 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by ivarni
We're going to need SE to come out an clear the air on this issue, them being silent is way too disruptive to the site right now. Like most other people I don't know the full background for this but all the speculation around it is worse than the alternative. — ivarni 38 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Anton Tropashko
good god. where is that picture taken????? — Anton Tropashko 37 secs ago
 
6:52 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Pac0
Question in October 2019 : Is Pluralsight still associated with SO in any way ? I don't find anything "official" related to Pluralsight on the site here. (Excepted meta questions like this one) — Pac0 9 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by BDL
I'm sure there is a duplicate for this: Non englisch posts should be closed as "Unclear what you're asking". These questions can be handled by the community itself without any moderator invention necessary. The declined message tells you that: Use standard flags instead of special moderator flags. — BDL 31 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by BDL
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dino
Reading from the flag descriptions, it's hard to tell this problem should be flagged as 'Unclear what you're asking'. Either way, the flag shouldn't get declined - maybe a warning not to use special moderator flags but definitely not a decline. — Dino 1 min ago
 
7:18 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by StoryTeller
It's declined so one can learn how to properly use flags for their intended purpose. A warning is not nearly as clear ("It was approved, so I wasn't that wrong, right!?" sort of mentality). Anyway, just two declined flags over a long period of time aren't going to affect you negatively, simply learn and flag accordingly in the future. — StoryTeller 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by BDL
What is 1099 or W2? Guess it's some US code? — BDL 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Pekka 웃
@DavyM the main headline is awesome as well — Pekka 웃 18 secs ago
 
7:38 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Eric Duminil
@C8H10N4O2 We're not the customers. We're the product. — Eric Duminil 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by D_N
The benefit of deleting one's account, which I'm mulling over in light of all this, is it would help one resist wasting time here again. — D_N 45 secs ago
 
7:50 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Trilarion
Just out of curiosity: How did the Experts Exchange fare afterwards? — Trilarion 52 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
That's not what this thing is about at all. — Cerbrus 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Magisch
Thats fundamentally impossible for SO. The content is available via CC license. It would only be a matter of time (and indeed there already are) for an infinite number of free clones to spring up. — Magisch 56 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Trilarion
Thanks Ed for all the nice work. I hope the knowledge that is concentrated in all the StackExchanges survives the turbulences. — Trilarion 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Max Langhof
@paddy Be aware that blanking your contributions has not worked for other users. It is considered vandalism and will be undone. I say this without any judgement of what would be right, just stating a fact. — Max Langhof 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jean-François Fabre
this has anything to do with the resignation of Ed. — Jean-François Fabre ♦ 8 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Patrick Hofman
Why do you think the answer is a copy-paste? The answer is so short and the variable names so common, I guess this could just be a duplicate without copy-pasing. — Patrick Hofman 25 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Patrick Hofman
@S.L.Barth Why? The community can handle such one-of cases. — Patrick Hofman 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Patrick Hofman
If you still think it is, downvote, comment as being a copy-paste from [link] and flag as NAA. — Patrick Hofman 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by S.L. Barth
Use a custom moderator flag, and explain the situation. — S.L. Barth 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Inquisitive Lurker
To be fair, most of the answers on that page are more-or-less identical, just with different variations of columnName, <colname>, your_col, etc. — Inquisitive Lurker 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Veljko89
I am pretty sure most of developers around here know who they are, it's just about fun and games ... and also figuring out how many caffeine insomnia junkies we have around ... as I know at least 2 — Veljko89 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
Don't flag as NAA. It is an answer. It may not be good, it may be a copy, but it is an answer. Cases like this can be downvoted or custom-flagged. NAA flags will get declined on this. — Cerbrus 2 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Trilarion
"it essentially asks others to do all the work ("too broad")" I thought too broad just means that the answer would be too lengthy. Essentially every questions asks others to do the work. — Trilarion 53 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Veljko89
makes me unconfortable ... really? tell us more about that — Veljko89 5 secs ago
 
8:40 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Raedwald
Then you are not actually asking for a discussion, which is what you tagged this as. — Raedwald 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Samuel Dauzon
But, this type of answer don't require any action ? I agree, it could be a duplicate without copy/paste. — Samuel Dauzon 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jean-Fran&#231;ois Fabre
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
TWP? Those abbreviations always get me. — Cerbrus 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Rounin
I'm not sure that's quite right @berendi. Where CPM advertising is concerned, a user is worth the ad impressions they view per month. A user who visits many more times per month and sees many more pages per visit, is worth more than a user who visits rarely and sees few pages per visit. — Rounin 28 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cindy Meister
FWIW I think most of us have gone through this part of the SO "learning curve". I sure remember this one! It takes time and effort to learn which flags/close vote reasons to use for which things. Good that you ask :-) And thanks for helping with site curation. — Cindy Meister 47 secs ago
 
9:10 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cindy Meister
...I've also had some success with "low quality* flagging along with a comment below the post, saying the question has already been answered with the same (or better) information and what the OP feels their answer contributes. That makes it clearer for reviewers/mods what the flag is for. — Cindy Meister 28 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cindy Meister
Samuel, the Q&A has been protected since 2016 to prevent more answers in the same vein from being posted. So in this case, the moderators were informed about the problem and took care of the worst "offenses" already. (You can't see those, yet, but once you reach 10k reputation you can.) So, in this case, no action is required. It's good that you're aware and watching for problems :-) As Cerbrus mentioned, when you come across new content of this nature, a custom moderator flag could be appropriate... — Cindy Meister 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cindy Meister
@Trilarion ...but not to do all the work - writing the thing from scratch... no effort — Cindy Meister 50 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by CodeCaster
I've known you (as a user, not personally) for a few years now. My general sentiment of you is that you are frustrated by the PHP community and the way people enter it and work in it, and you don't hide that well. Not on main, and definitely not on Meta. Yes, generally speaking they're a bunch of amateurs who don't have a high regard of the profession of software engineering, but hey, that's life. I know frustration, and it's not easy to let it not get the better of you. But sorry, I'm on the mods' side on this one. Don't lash out to people who don't know better and don't want to improve. — CodeCaster 36 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by ΩmegaMan
It is what type of taxes do you pay an individual to work in the US. If you do contract programming in the US or you're salaried individual you can be with considered a W-2taxed individual or if one does direct contractor with a company it can be a 1099 which requires you to pay more taxes. It would be a USA only question I surmise — ΩmegaMan 7 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Samuel Dauzon
Ok, thank you for your answers. I just looking for improve stackoverflow good answers readability. I'll try to flag it with low quality (I already put a comment). Thank you again, Stackoverflow (and it's community) is awesome ! — Samuel Dauzon 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by A J
There's an unusual gap at my side. i.stack.imgur.com/xwHNU.png Firefox 69, Ubuntu on Movies & TV. — A J 2 mins ago
 
9:40 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by BDL
If I remember correctly from last year, there are no questions that are only asked to people of specific countries. I guess you will also see a lot of downvotes from non-US people who think that the question is not interesting (for them). Maybe you can try to reformulate it in a way that it can be answered worldwide? — BDL 44 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by halfer
@user1306322: it is important to understand that the OP in this case has a long history of aggressive and shaming language. He has moderated it a little bit, but only because he has had to. — halfer 30 secs ago
 
10:02 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
In general, never click the "very low quality" link in H&I. It is only there so you can work on your declined flag rate ... — rene 44 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick A
Skip would've been appropriate, or leaving the H&I queue altogether... — Nick A 1 min ago
 
10:18 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Thomas Schremser
@NickA ... or leaving the H&I queue altogether Yeah, I start considering this :-( — Thomas Schremser 42 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Thomas Schremser
@rene Looks you're right. From the 3 times I clicked it, 1 was helpful, 1 disputed and 1 declined. — Thomas Schremser 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by ivarni
This is madly off-topic for this post and that would be the reason the previous answer was deleted — ivarni 54 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
Most unaware users assume that link means this post should not have been here and I think that was it initial design goal. That path was never finished/implemented so that is why we now have to deal with this queue that is far from effective and hardly any means to make it effective. — rene 47 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by OrangeDog
@DalijaPrasnikar if there has been a violation of the licence agreement, then yes you can remove your contributions. You will however probably need a lawyer to force SO to comply. — OrangeDog 55 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by CertainPerformance
The question doesn't look particularly terrible (compared to many), it's on-topic and looks reasonably scoped, but Most of the search results I get for this are old and inconclusive makes me think it may be a dupe, if there are older questions that ask the same thing — CertainPerformance 44 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user6694745
Finally! You should be kicked out long long time ago. — user6694745 50 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ed Would
Given the number of upvotes it received in such a short period of time, I assumed it was probably consistent with the topic. Had it been pointed out that it was off-topic without then being deleted very soon thereafter, I likely would have deleted it myself. But I wasn't given the chance, was I. — Ed Would 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Trilarion
You would not only want to know how much each tag was watched or ignored but also correlations, i.e. which tags are watched together, which tags are ignored together, which tags are watched together with other ignored tags, ... . On the other hand, can't the general participation not also be estimated from the tag activity, like the number of questions and answers or views in each tag? — Trilarion 10 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Andrew Morton
Shouldn't this be tagged "status-completed"? — Andrew Morton 41 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
"Had it been pointed out that it was off-topic without then being deleted very soon thereafter, I likely would have deleted it myself. But I wasn't given the chance". There were 22 minutes between my comment ("That's not what this thing is about at all <...>") and the deletion of your answer. 22 minutes in which you could easily have written any response. — Cerbrus 54 secs ago
 
10:54 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by George Stocker
At least include everything I said instead of pulling out a sentence out of context. — George Stocker ♦ 50 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by CertainPerformance
Yep, the layout for that section of a post changed very recently. I don't see a problem with it on my end though. When it happens, maybe Inspect the element and check out the .lsep separator? It's supposed to result in 6px between each button — CertainPerformance 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yannis
I don't think anyone's lying. The situation is really that complicated, and emotions still run high. One thing that most - from both "sides" - seem to agree on is that SE didn't handle this very well. — yannis 8 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ed Would
I guess I should have had notifications turned on to ensure that my comments wouldn't be deleted but since I hadn't included anything that specifically accused SO of any wrongdoing, I didn't feel a need to monitor my post frequently for accusations of being inappropriate. I've been censored so many times for posting truthful political opinions over the last three years that this is nothing in comparison. I just expected more from an organization that appears on the surface to be respectful of scholarly pursuit and the benefits that knowledge exchange can provide. It doesn't matter now. — Ed Would 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Mark Amery
@ErikA Oh, interesting. I'd assumed Yvette had first-hand info from before stepping down. — Mark Amery 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Erik A
Note that Yvette was not a moderator at the time all this transpired. She also only has indirect information about the exacts, as far as I know. — Erik A 2 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ansgar Wiechers
Voted to delete since this has nothing at all to do with the question (or rather notice) at hand. — Ansgar Wiechers 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Christian Rau
No, not quite reasonable claims indeed. — Christian Rau 32 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Mark Amery
I've edited based on the comments from George and Erik here and others in chat to try to more faithfully characterise their statements, some of which I may have read too much into. — Mark Amery 1 min ago
 
11:30 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ed Cottrell
Please understand that, just as I can’t explain all of my reasons for resigning, I can’t explain all of the reasons that is so. It may help you to understand that I am an attorney “in real life.” That creates a huge number of obligations to refrain from speaking about various situations or issues. Let me be extremely clear that I’m not (1) saying that legal issues had anything to do with my resignation, (2) accusing anyone of lying or anything else, or (3) stating any legal opinions on anything. I am saying that I, personally, cannot offer the kind of explanation people might want. Full stop. — Ed Cottrell 14 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Martin Zeitler
I have the feeling, that they'll soon have to invest most of their ad revenue into paid moderators ...as the treatment of voluntary moderators does not exactly seem fair or even match their own CoC. — Martin Zeitler 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ed Cottrell
Please also understand that everything I have ever said on this site or any SE site—including in my post here and the preceding comment—is my personal opinion and mine only. — Ed Cottrell 22 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
@MartinZeitler not sure if that has a high job security ... — rene 57 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Patrice
@Cindy lack of effort was never a close reason.... A downvote one, sure. But never a close one, no matter how much we'd like it — Patrice 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by β.εηοιτ.βε
@AndrewMorton it has been closed and reopened in a short amount of time recently, so, indeed, maybe it need an extra tag, or a close, I am not sure what the usual approche is on meta for those. — β.εηοιτ.βε 11 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by George Stocker
Is there a call to action you have here? Something you're looking for community input on? What does "stand" mean to you? I want to help, but currently having a hard time fitting this into a format we can keep around on meta.so. — George Stocker ♦ 37 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by PeterJ
Probably because most survey questions tend to be something you can spend a few seconds / minutes on answering, this seems like it would take quite a while to get statistics on. There are probably also some organisations where individual developers don't have access to all aspects of a project. — PeterJ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Patrice
I agree with the outrage, anger and frustration but... Short of getting on a soap box and let you vent a bit... What's the use of this? :/ — Patrice 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by F1Krazy
Dozens of moderators have already resigned or suspended in response to what happened to Monica, and dozens of other users have quit the site entirely. Could you clarify what "stand" you want people to take that isn't already being taken? — F1Krazy 53 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by gnat
@rene medical insurance for these positions would have to cover handling of panic attacks and nightmaresgnat 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Martijn Pieters
As Shog says, in the duplicate: Regardless of whether or not it ends up in /review or the mod queue (and most of the time, it'll end up in both at least for a little while...) VLQ flags on questions that should be closed just create unnecessary overhead - someone else has to spend more time thinking about why the question needs to be closed because you didn't specify.Martijn Pieters ♦ just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by George Stocker
The declination of your flags was explained in the flag response: " declined - Using standard flags helps us prioritize problems and resolve them faster. Please familiarize yourself with the list of standard flags: see What is Flagging? " — George Stocker ♦ 28 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Martijn Pieters
And a very long-standing open request to have the VLQ flag removed for questions: It shouldn’t be possible to flag questions as Very Low QualityMartijn Pieters ♦ 11 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Martijn Pieters
Your VLQ on how to fix error during installation of PyUpdater was marked helpful automatically when enough people flagged it as 'unsalvagable' in the review queue, and Support in app update not getting new Update available callback even after 10 hour , but when open play store we see update is available was marked disputed because the review outcome was 'requires editing'. — Martijn Pieters ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by jacknad
Sorry to see you go @RobertHarvey. Also sorry to see the thin skinned ruining a great resource. I suppose I'll have to go back through all my posts to make sure I didn't offend anyone. But going forward my preferred pronouns will be Thou/Thine. — jacknad 51 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by gnat
@berendi let's do a little math. This site gets, like, 2 or 3 thousands questions from new users a day, that's 2-3 thousands visitors a day, right? On the other hand, traffic stats for SO say it gets 10 million visits a day, do you see the difference. It is probably reasonable to assume that these millions visits come to answers made by skilled, knowledgeable "power users" (because these millions visitors want useful quality content, not senseless homework dumps). Looks like power users content is what brings ads revenue — gnat 23 secs ago
 
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[ Boson ] New comment posted by Goyo
... as "hostile towards transgender individuals", "an explicit refusal to listen" and "dehumanizing" for some users. Other users have rejected such characterization. I suggest you go take a look at the above links, it might help you make your mind a little. — Goyo 20 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Goyo
I do not think there is any lying but diferent interpretations. There seems to be strong disagreement about what constitutes a "stance of intolerance towards minority groups". Caleb's resignation notice has been described ... — Goyo 1 min ago
 
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[ Boson ] New comment posted by mxyzplk
This non-answer using an excuse of privacy only serves to remind us how little SE values its mods. Hinting at malfeasance while not actually making any verifiable claims also shows SE does not think much of its users. All available information indicates you did not follow even the bare bones of the process you mention in this answer. Refusing to answer or engage is not how a company that depends on a community needs to operate. — mxyzplk 1 min ago
 
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[ Boson ] New comment posted by halfer
Can casual SO CVR room users get a Smokey coffee as well? :=)halfer 38 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Pekka 웃
@Goyo is right. It's 2019 and there are WILDLY different views on what exactly constitutes "hostility", "discrimination", etc. Even on the pronoun thing there's huge differences. Pretty sure most people (even those privately critical of the concept of trans-ness for religious reasons etc.) agree that, say, insisting on calling a trans person by their old pronouns is rude. I agree - unacceptable for a mod IMO. Refusing to, say, look up & use 35 different pronouns though, "xer" and such, on pain of expulsion, with no wiggle room like avoiding using pronouns altogether? Arguably a different story — Pekka 웃 18 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by BoltClock
Mark, you wanna know why some of us are so reluctant to say anything on the matter? When somebody did before yesterday, I had to take the entire day off, and I don't know why I came back today. I've fallen physically ill again, and I have a lot on my plate, and I'm not even thinking of resigning. But I do think I need to go on a break yet again, because I don't think I could handle the imminent attention, speculation, hand-wringing, and overall FUD, and I don't want to end up getting interview requests from the media or whatever just because I said one thing too much. — BoltClock ♦ 20 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
@halfer only for the privileged users ... — rene 21 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by BoltClock
@Pekka 웃: Let's not talk over each other again ;) — BoltClock ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by BoltClock
In short, "anything I say can and will be used against me", so... personally I'm going to avoid that. And maybe some of the others here are doing it for the same reason. — BoltClock ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Pekka 웃
... I don't think anyone is lying about the facts. Given that now different people most of us trust obviously have a wildly different view on what happened, to really make up our own minds we'd have to see what literally transpired, which seems unlikely but who knows. That nobody is leaking them may as well be testament to the ex-moderators' integrity rather than there being some cover-up of why they really left — Pekka 웃 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Mark Amery
@Cerbrus, why redact the very mention that transcripts exist from this post? Given that it is asking why nobody has leaked them, it seems relevant that somebody has. As for the prospect that somebody goes looking for them... well, good? Why should that be something that we - as community members, not staff - try to avoid? — Mark Amery 28 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by halfer
Ha, a VIP coffee bar! — halfer 40 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Pekka 웃
... I don't think anyone is lying about the facts. Given that now different people most of us trust obviously have a wildly different interpretation of what happened, to really make up our own minds we'd have to see what literally transpired, which seems unlikely but who knows. That nobody is leaking them may as well be testament to the ex-moderators' integrity rather than there being some cover-up of why they really left — Pekka 웃 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
Hit me up on chat if you want to discuss that. — Cerbrus 25 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Fr&#233;d&#233;ric Hamidi
@JL2210, cs95, let them close this question if they really want to. It will only take us a few minutes to reopen it anyway. On the other hand, we will have access to the names of the users who think Robert's resignation notice is close-worthy, which may not be profitable to them in the long run. — Frédéric Hamidi 43 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Martin Zeitler
inclusion and respect? alike you've treated Monica? the hypocrisy is ridiculous. — Martin Zeitler 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yannis
@MarkAmery We - as community members - should do our best to protect the privacy and well-being of our community moderators. I understand wanting to know more about the situation, I really do. Exposing our community moderators like that is not the way to do it, though. — yannis 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jeanne Dark
All of what lead to the firing of a long-term moderator was a discussion, mostly questions, in a moderator-only chat room about an update of the Code of Conduct that hasn't been written down yet, let alone published. How does this constitute a violation of said CoC and how does that warrant such a drastic action? How did your action make Stack Overflow a better place? How does it help those you say you want to help? — Jeanne Dark 15 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Yvette Colomb
I was party to the reason that Monica was fired before stepping down as a moderator and was confided in by a third moderator about that person felt dismissed by Monica and that person ended up stepping down. They found TL intolerable and marginalised. Monica did flat out refuse to use the pronoun of "singular they" if people requested this. She refused to use that with another moderator in TL. This issue had been ongoing for a long time. I do not dislike Monica, I respect her, but I feel sorry for the mod who is silent and was disregarded. Monica received a lot more support than this trans mod — Yvette Colomb 7 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Yvette Colomb
So much of this has been leaked and other mods have presented private stuff in what I believe to be a skewed fashion. Honestly my account of this root cause above is as close to the real issue as possible. The thing is, the mod who was hurt disclosed their hurt to me, so perhaps I'm more aware of how personally it affected someone. Then other trans mods have stood up and spoken out also about being treated badly and I can see their POV. re Aza resignation and so on @ErikA this and the above comment. I am party to a lot more than you'd realise — Yvette Colomb 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Yvette Colomb
All mods are bound not to disclose things they learnt of while moderating or I could post a total expose of the whole thing now couldn't I? But no I cannot. We are bound by the agreement. It doesn't magically stop when we step down. If covers that period of modding indefinitely. What happens as a mod stays in the mod camp (lame fight club reference) — Yvette Colomb 33 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tensibai
As one of standing against the firing, I'm against the way and timing it has been done. That's all. Leaking transcript is just bad as it's painting a target on peoples involved for one or another reason. That's just plain wrong. — Tensibai 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by adiga
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Welbog
@AltheaC I've tried to rephrase your post a little to make it a bit clearer and to focus more on the points I thought you were making. If that's not OK, you can always revert the changes. I'm truly sorry your experience with Stack Overflow has been so negative. — Welbog 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Louis
@WillWestendorf It seems that your answer is obsolete, the policy has changed, as mentioned here (h/t to iBug) — Louis 17 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by NelsonGon
[ Boson ] New comment posted by NelsonGon
Thanks for the pointers. Glad I'm not the only one who noticed this. "Seasoned" users should have an option of seeing the old UI. I just want to ask a question, nothing more, nothing less. — NelsonGon 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Trilarion
SO is just a somewhat harsh place for all of us. It's hits those that are more easily intimidated harder though. — Trilarion 36 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Paul White
@YvetteColomb How can you say "Monica did flat out refuse to use the pronoun of "singular they" if people requested this" without violating (the spirit of) the Moderator Agreement and TL privacy? — Paul White 14 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Yvette Colomb
@PaulWhite because it's since been discussed publicly and openly all over the internet! — Yvette Colomb 51 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
You are on Meta. This question will not be answered here and you may want to go over the Checklist and How to Ask before you repost on main. Please consider deleting this question. — rene 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by halfer
For what it's worth, I am moderately in favour of unfeaturing resignations for the time being. I suspect featuring them will be seen by employees as lobbying for more spillover discontent from the main site, and since we're wanting some constructive engagement on both sides, that appearance may not help at present. — halfer 10 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Paul White
@YvetteColomb If that is the case (I have not seen that quote anywhere public myself), you could avoid even the appearance of any impropriety by providing a link (to a reputable source). While writing this, I see your comment disappeared. Please let me know if you want me to remove my quotation of your remark. — Paul White 57 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by muru
@Yvette uh, how could you post such an exposé, since you don't have access to the TL, and AFAIK, didn't have access when this mess happened? — muru 39 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by George Stocker
Folks: it has been a trying few days. I ask that you not use ed’s Resignation post to host a mystery dinner party. Let’s keep it to the topic: Ed resigned and we are sorry to see him go. — George Stocker ♦ 16 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Yvette Colomb
This is not an answer - it's a question. — Yvette Colomb 35 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Yvette Colomb
@GeorgeStocker thanks for the comment clean up. I'm finding the meta sites increasingly difficult to deal with. — Yvette Colomb 5 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
Disengage, Yvette... Disengage. — Cerbrus 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by MonkeyZeus
So, has this been reversed finally? — MonkeyZeus 40 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TylerH
@MonkeyZeus No, HMP is not back. — TylerH 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TylerH
@MonkeyZeus No, there's caching to blame there. It takes a while for them to disappear even after the tag is removed from the question. — TylerH 22 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by gnat
@BoltClock regarding your recent edit, please consider adding a comment explaining it. Although I think I understand what you meant, some users may be confused by edit summary talking about "some space" because community bulletin area seems to have enough space to accommodate posts you un-featured (I just checked) — gnat 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by MonkeyZeus
@TylerH dang, I just noticed that featured posts do not have the featured tag and got excited. So I assume they simply did away with that tag. — MonkeyZeus 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by CodeCaster
At least, that's the gist of it as far as I understand it. In fact I don't understand it, I literally do not grasp the gender/nonbinary/pronoun stuff. It does not live at all in my Western European world. Like not at all. Nobody I know here gets it. But eh. — CodeCaster 19 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by CodeCaster
I asked the same, even though I kind of knew the answer. In short, marginalized groups (women, transgenders, people with certain religions) are alienated by the way some people comment on Stack Exchange, and they've complained about that. Stack Overflow the company wants everyone to feel welcome and included, so they took action to that, like changing the policies. Some mods don't agree with said policies, especially around "pronouns" to be used for nonbinary-identifying people. People started disagreeing, people got fired, people quit. — CodeCaster 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ed Cottrell
This has nothing to do with “cliques.” All of us are subject to various limits on our conduct—legally, ethically, professionally, or otherwise—which I am willing to believe all of us take very seriously. Some of us are subject to more such constraints than others. If you look at the list of resignations in the MSE post that I linked to under background, you will see that several former moderators offer detailed explanations of their decisions. Nobody—as far as I know—is trying to hide anything that should be public, but that doesn’t mean we are at liberty to say whatever we want. — Ed Cottrell 47 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter
@CodeCaster thanks for linking your post and commenting on mine, I found them both to be informative. — Peter 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
When moderators receive their diamond they have to sign the moderator agreement. It is agreed that what is shared in moderator only rooms, stays in moderator only rooms. That is the reason that you'll find hardly anyone that wants to share with evidence what happened, exactly because not everyone might fully grasp what or who needs to be protected. It is showing how invested the mods are that even after they handed in their diamond the mod agreement still holds for them. — rene 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Bill_Stewart
This is unfortunate. SE leadership evidently believes that "peace" is equivalent to lack of opposition. This is, of course, false, as disagreements are a normal part of human interaction. Hopefully community feedback will help them reevaluate this position. — Bill_Stewart 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rjzii
Downvoted since this post no longer reflects current policy.rjzii 49 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jean-Fran&#231;ois Fabre
"I still cannot explain to an outsider what exactly happened here": me neither, TBH — Jean-François Fabre ♦ 8 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by F&#233;lix Gagnon-Grenier
"Making sense" is a feature of an idea, concept or meaning that can be reasoned upon, logically defended or else soundly talked about. That something does not make sense is neither an attack nor a slight, it is an evaluation of a concept. Every programmer will produce things that do not make sense. If you start thinking that someone pointing it up are being mean, you will make everyone sad everywhere you will work. Being able to tell things as they are, either nonsensical ou full of sense, is essential if you want to get anything done. — Félix Gagnon-Grenier 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by weegee
[ Boson ] New comment posted by skomisa
Your post clearly makes the case that there are two sides to this issue and discrepancies in the accounts of what has happened. So regarding "I am not sure what the rest of us can do besides pick which side we trust more...", why feel obliged to pick any side at this stage, in the absence of adequate details on which to base your decision? — skomisa 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TylerH
Even as we approach 2020 I don't personally think a pageload time of 1.6 seconds is a significant (I'd even say it's hardly noticeable) increase over 1.3 seconds. But I also don't care for latex or mathjax to be added to SO as I never use them. — TylerH 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by DavidG
@JL2210 Nobody is going to give you that detail, it could be very private or personal. Please don't ask. — DavidG 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Amade
@weegee - the question you linked relates to public SO, which is for programming questions. My question relates to a "closed" version of SO for businesses, and as I understand it is targeted at diverse teams, not only software developers. — Amade 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tom
I'm not a mod, but I would decline "possibly needing direct moderator interaction with poster" as well. It is very unclear what you want a mod to do there. Explain the actual issue and what exactly should be done. "Do something" doesn't tell a mod what to do. And yes, this is not an answer. I you have a question, then create a new meta question. — Tom 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Adrian
@Tom Thanks for the quick reply. But: (1) My question would have *exactly the same title as this one, so probably flagged as a duplicate! (2) The whole point of my flag was that I didn't know what should be done; it's not for me to tell mods what to do, is it? — Adrian 27 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tom
Regarding your second flag: How do I deal with non-English content?. Use custom flags only when none of the other flags is applicable. — Tom 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Adrian
@Tom On your second point: Yes, I agree - but the mod who declined it added the explanation, so I learnt! No problem with that whatsoever. — Adrian 1 min ago
 
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[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tom
About (2): well, yes and no. You see, a mod has not much time and many flags to handle, so providing a clear task is required. When they need to interpret your flag first, then this could lead to misunderstanding or not understanding the issue you saw. So something link "The question itself should be deleted and the poster should be reminded, that such question are off-topic and can lead to a question ban". The ladder could be told in a comment as well, but a direct mod message has more weight. And in this case, I agree with rene, a mod is not really needed. — Tom 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
there is nothing on that question that we can't handle ourselves. Flag for closure, unclear / too broad/ off-topic - resource request, would all work. Cast a down vote so the next visitor doesn't go wondering what is awesome about it. If you have the slightest idea the question could have value you could have gave it an edit by removing the meta noise from it as you have full edit privileges. Don't involve mods if it is not needed. — rene 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by RyanfaeScotland
@halfer - Would you say you are moderately resigned to the idea... >_> <_< - Just to throw a counter argument out there, don't you think the risk of that being seen as trying to hide the upset (rightly or wrongly) would result in a worse situation? — RyanfaeScotland 52 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Adrian
@rene - OK, accepted, But, it now appears, the actual poster has had his/her account deleted! If that's not 'direct moderator interaction' then what is? — Adrian 1 min ago
 
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