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08:00
@Cerbrus nope. Perhaps if I listen to the song, I might remember
If now, there's a whole new world :P
Why didn't you throw your hat in the ring this time, @Cerb? You had a pretty good chance as well. (though, it reduced the number of strong competitors by 1 :p)
\o @madara
Good Morning People :)
@BhargavRao Are you implying that Cerbrus is worth -2 strong candidates?
08:04
GM
I'm not sure I have the time / dedication required to moderate
@MadaraUchiha ssh, don't tell him. ;p
I think I would burn out quickly
Yeah, moderator burn outs are real.
Indeed.
I burned plenty of people since I've started moderating.
08:05
Hi
@MadaraUchiha *Facedesk*
Sometimes people burn me
That, and a previous election kinda made me lose faith... Luckily, this round, there are (almost) only good candidates
You can never be too sure. This is the same electorate who voted me in.
08:07
I got burned a lot of times by moderators ;(
Of all the people. :|
Yea, that's what I was takling about with "Losing faith"
@Cerbrus Recall that it took me 3 tries to get elected.
(Haha, no, something else)
Is there any else mod from india other than Bhargav?
08:08
TheLostMind.
TheLostMind is also from india
I should try that again
@MadaraUchiha That's not what I mean. There are some that got elected that I (still) strongly disagree with.
@AngaKoko Try what?
Ohh I see
08:09
@CodyGray Wait what
What what?
I always assumed TLM was 'murrican
His name is Vinod ... from his nomination. ;p
:D
Hey @BhargavRao who's that you are shaking hands with?
Col Lalit Rai
08:10
Ah well... Maybe next round. Unless you guys can give me a golden ticket to the finals? :D
Rethink about my opinion about moderators @BhargavRao
@Cerbrus just convince less than 10 people to stand ;p
@AngaKoko yay!
Not sure why you assumed that. I'm like 99% certain that his profile used to give India as his location. Now it says Canada. Ain't no Muricans there.
@CodyGray They're practically the same place.
08:12
Canada == America; Canada ≠ Murica
@BhargavRao Oh, you're the tall one? I always assumed you were the short one. Hah!
Hey, I ain't that old ;p
I can't see the faces. You can't tell age from a side view.
That's what I was about to say
08:13
@BhargavRao I was talking about India and Canada, you uncultured swine!
No wonder you're just a pair of glasses..
@CodyGray Never really looked at his profile tho
@MadaraUchiha just Toronto :p
@BhargavRao *Growl* Are they scared yet?
Bhargav, are you still in india or abroad?
08:14
I lived in Halifax, and there weren't many there... Toronto OTOH, you could find Indian expatriates everywhere.
@Cerbrus not now, wait for the next election.. ;p
@Zlytherin I just mentioned that it was afternoon here ...guess where am I..?
Ohh yes, you are in india then😅
@BhargavRao Ah well... *Shrug*
@Cerbrus ... just an aside ... sometimes people do change... (don't want to influence anything, but just saying) :)
And the people that have changed are the stronger for it.
I know what you're talking about, but i'm not seeing enough change in that case. If you're interested in hearing my opinion on it, feel free to open a room :P
08:23
You've not seen the other side... (and lunch time here, so nope, gotta have food)
bbiab
I haven't, but is that really relevant? The public side of moderation is the only side we see. If there are problems on that side, then it really doesn't matter how much they changed on the private / internal side of all that is moderation
If all we see is that there's plenty of room for improvement, then it's time to work on that.
Zoe
Zoe
o/
\o
08:36
hello
09:30
We can't ping people that haven't been in here, right?
Hm, but I can invite someone to this room :D
09:41
Hello
Zoe
Zoe
@Cerbrus nope. If they've ever written a message though, you can transcript ping
@Zoe
I have voted. Good luck.
09:58
hey
10:10
@PatrickParker Hi, thank you for your support!
@PatrickParker Fair question. The issue with that is that I mostly looked at Meta posts that seemed "important" by some metric, but those then tended to already had an answer I could agree with, so I upvoted that instead.
When I, as I'd have to do as a mod anyway, start to monitor the fresh questions more closely, I'll find more to answer.
That's probably a good idea, be I elected or not, as it could help me to further raise my awareness for issues with the site or community.
Hello friends!
o/
10:22
Hi
10:36
I'm looking for someone who want to stop answering the questions in the comments section
Zoe
Zoe
Why? There's nothing wrong with it
@nyconing thanks ^^
Eh, I would disagree with that.
Answers belong in the answer section, where they are subject to sorting and, where needed, downvotes.
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Not something the moderators' tools are fit to fix for, though.
@powerpete why is that a problem that needs fixing?
10:53
Good persons run for candidate, Zoe is more democratic...
IMHO
Also, you cannot search through comments with is:a (or search for them in general, really), questions answered only in comments are not marked as answered on a system level, by attracting upvotes, they drown out legitimate critique or requests for clarification...
While not the most pressing issue, I do find answers in the comment section to be generally undesirable, for the Q/A format as implemented.
Zoe
Zoe
@BaummitAugen so it can be moved, but I've actually answered several questions in the comments because I needed clarification before starting, and an answer wouldn't be high enough quality by my own standards for me to want to post it as an answer. But an answer in the comments can be made an actual answer if necessary. Some things also get resolved in chat without being added to the answer itself. Problematic? Sure.
But there's also no "convert comment to answer" (AFAIK, but there is the other way around), which makes actually keeping that up hard
And what are you gonna do, hand out warnings for comment answers and suspensions on repeated violation? There's no decent way to enforce it either
@Zoe As I said, there are no moderator tools that can fix this.
Candidates, how would you respond to this situation?
@Zoe Then we end up with an unclear question and a chatty comment thread below, containing bits of question and an answer in chunks. Hardly ideal. Why not edit the question into shape once you have the info you need, then answer?
11:02
(correct answer: shake your head, laugh, take a screenshot and share it around. Note the 'vote up' addition, this user both used the take it away, argh argh argh no one should have to endure this option and voted up the post).
Lol. =D
Similar points apply to answers in edits to the question, btw.
probably flagged by accident, and wanted to undo the auto-downvote with an upvote
Zoe
Zoe
@BaummitAugen because that's not always optimal either. I agree it's not optimal leaving the comments either, but actually enforcing a hard rule on it seems overkill
@Floern probably. Still a rare enough and funny sight.
@Zoe I never proposed enforcing this as a hard rule.
11:05
@Floern: other variants are VLQ + upvote or NAA + upvote, neither of which auto-downvote when flagging.
While I theoretically agree with Baum, I have also answered questions in the comments if I was 60-70% sure the answer was correct, then moved it to an answer after confirmed. Comments can be cleaned up better, you don't catch downvotes if it turns out to be incorrect but can just delete, etc.
the world is strange
Zoe
Zoe
@MartijnPieters decline the R/A flag, approve the rest, delete the answer, contact the flagger if R/A on NAA is a habit
@BaummitAugen oh ^^"
If someone goes hunting through my comments, I'm sure they'd find some answer, too. The point is not that this must be prevented at all cost, just that it's undesirable.
Zoe
Zoe
Oh, I guess we agree then ^^" But on this, a regular user can do as much as a diamond mod
11:12
@Zoe deleting the answer auto-approves the rest. The answer isn't actually old enough to show in the moderator queue if it wasn't for the R/A flag, declining that and reloading the page makes the post disappear from the queue for us unless we explicitly elect to see NAA / VLQ flags < 1 hour old.
@BaummitAugen I leave plenty of quick answers in comments, usually because I'm closing the post as off-topic or as a duplicate.
Typo posts are a typical example: you forgot to close the parentheses on the preceding line.
For duplicates: you can't foo the bar when spamming vikings, see the answer by awesomename on the duplicate post.
so, context is everything.
If you put the question in a state where answers are rejected by the system, a lot of my points above are moot, of course.
a blanket 'no answering in comments' rule is also un-enforcable, not when you have factions in the community that want to see short answers turned into comments instead.
Who called for an enforceable rule?
Looking for a moderator candidate that'll enforce 'no answering in comments' is looking for an enforcible rule.
Zoe
Zoe
@MartijnPieters but flags can still be individually declined, right?
Or by type
11:20
@Zoe yes, by type.
Which is why in the screenshot there are individual 'dismiss' links per type.
(I'm using the new flag UI being trialled, clicking 'dismiss' opens the dialog for marking a flag as helpful or declined)
hi everyone
@BaummitAugen I think you deserve to win man, good luck for all candidats, greetings from Morocco.
@MartijnPieters what a blurry interface... infact it seems difficult to know who is creating what mess ;)
@MiharbKH Thank you! Greetings to you, too.
@pette
@PetterFriberg totally agree with you I thing stackoverflow chat room needs work, lets contribute in that project guys hh lol ^^
I think*
11:31
good always agree with me... I'm unsure about what but I will not disagree if you agree.
hi everyone
@PetterFriberg Agree with you about that expression "what a blurry interface..." ^^
@PetterFriberg :-P
@PetterFriberg: "Redacted to protect the guilty"
hi Mohammed
11:35
no need since my name will not have fit in that small space....
well I've to go guys have a good time. BYE
cya have fun!
Hello
Zoe
Zoe
o/
11:52
Hello from Russia
Helllo to world...
... why do people come in here with greetings from their country?
@Cerbrus why not?, maybe first time in chat so it seems appropriate. Remember that you are an old chat wolf Cerbrus ;)
12:08
This is the first time I've seen people do that.
The country specific salute or generally just saluting?
The country specific salute
Greetings from Antarctica
Greetings from earth.
/me sends @Floern some extra coats.
12:12
thanks, minus 40 degrees is pretty cold
How can I vote?
@MohammadMirmostafa Click the up-/down-arrows here.
@BaummitAugen Thanks
No problem.
@Floern Vostok Station -52 :)
Zoe
Zoe
12:25
@PetterFriberg @Cerbrus it's pretty common though, I think it's a tiny introduction (the name is already visible, so that's covered automatically)
It's not necessary though.
we could just go for nohello.com
Sam
Sam
Hello
EvryOne
12:51
Hello from Germany
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13:19
Greetings from Istanbul
@PetterFriberg That's the rene version of the mod interface
:) The only valid version... helps to keep you stay focused.
13:47
what is difference b/t moderator and employee?
One gets paid, the other doesn't, among others
14:13
Hi from Brazil
one moderate the moderators the other doesn't
Greetings from Random.getCountry()
I need to visit that next summer... seems like a casual place
greetings from return giantsOfAfrica()[0]
14:29
Hello from Bolivia, I want to be a moderator then I implement an IA tool in order to remove duplicate questions and improve question following a new format, so we might say that we would have our own system for that. kind regards xD
@JonathanJohx Welcome! Unfortunately you need 3k rep to run for election.
@JonathanJohx "IA tool"? What's that?
"Intelligence artificielle"?
@RobertColumbia hmm maybe I have that rep and even the AI :)
@PetterFriberg If you run, you'll definitely have my vote!
14:40
lol, me no, I just need 2900 more rep for Queen...
she can auto close all dupes, auto nuke all comments... , clean the cv review queue.., together with Natty and Gut they can do even more damage
Anyway thanks Baum, I would not stand a chance against you :)
@PetterFriberg If things go as planned, you won't have to. ;)
14:59
o/
Yes, @BaummitAugen Artificial Intelligence, sorry for my English :#
@RobertColumbia Oh then it wouldn't be possible, :V.
@JonathanJohx Sorry, I didn't intend to mock you or anything.
no problem, If you apply something like that you can have my vote :)
Well, I am part of SOBotics, which works in exactly that direction.
Though there are of course rules to follow. Mod or not, you cannot just set site policy on your own.
Especially on SO.
15:18
@Makoto I think you should be more worried about @Zoe. But now the "Ma" block is together again...
@Machavity lol, but I wan't a blurry monkey on my book :)
@Machavity Yeah, that was a thing that happened wasn't it...
user3956566
Keep voting my little sock puppets, keep doing your thing my pretties evil laugh
user3956566
such a bad joke for a mod to make in an election room
15:32
@YvetteColomb Yea, better make a new account to say that in here.
user3956566
@Cerbrus :p
user3956566
that actually made me laugh
@YvetteColomb You do know the little dog can fight back now, right? :P
user3956566
@Machavity nah, I have scooby snacks, he stands no chance :)
user3956566
it's true!
15:35
@MadaraUchiha Just gotta be careful what you copy and paste from SO
user image
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@BaummitAugen chat.stackoverflow.com/rooms/info/111347/sobotics cool, but I don't see that sobotics is applied, in other hand I don't think that a moderator can do it , but it would be great if question answered properly and have at least 100 votes on a week then should Stackoverflow pays some of money..
Zoe
Zoe
@Machavity Huh?
Oh, that ^^"
I've been watching coldspeed's votes for a few hours, got confused with the usernames :]
RX9
RX9
hey guys, how do i cast my vote?
do I just upvote one of the comments on the post?
@Machavity I have got to share that with Bobince.
@RX9 You can up- or downvote as many as you like in this phase.
In the final phase, you'll have to pick a limited number of candidates by preference.
RX9
RX9
thank you
You're welcome.
16:21
O RLY ?
@Jimbot it's a meme. You can build your own here (although that last one was photoshopped by someone)
*gentle gasp* The Welcoming
Well, current scores for the Primary: 1. Baum (8866) 2. Jean-François (6998) 3. Josh (6323) 4. coldspeed (4809) 5. Zoe (4340) ... for others, there is always SOCVR...
16:36
I think there's an issue with those numbers
I don't seem to be #1 and that can't be correct ;)
Slow down there. Election starts at 0 again...
I've managed to drop by a couple of ranks before.
Well I'm the only electorate with a 0 in my placement so that must be good
@BaummitAugen yeah, but no candidate who has finished #1 or #2 in the primary has lost the general election. #3 can vary wildly, but it doesn't apply here
@BaummitAugen I know, but I watched it last year, and there aren't huge reversals between those two phases, unless a highly loved candidate starts writing crazy things.
16:40
good lord
@BaummitAugen I like that one, but the US press loves those click-baity niche things. Not sure it applies here.
By contrast, you've gotten more upvotes than the bottom 5 candidates (waves) combined.
But I am glad. You're gonna be a fine mod
... if elected.
But thank you.
I'll keep rooting for team Ma*.
@SterlingArcher You're invited to the after-party in SOCVR. We were gonna have cake, but everyone thought that was a lie for some reason
We will have flowers, tho
But I don't eat cake :(
16:48
Don't worry, we'll force feed you
or you can just smoke the flower
Ok but when I look like squidward after he raided the krabby patty vault I'm coming for you
But what if they walk away at a brisk pace?
This quick thinking is why you're going to be a good mod. *nods*
16:56
If we postpone the elections for a week, we can have the results of SO mod elections, the brexit and the april fool jokes all at the same time.
Yup, we planned it so that we can prevent that
Juan Guaidó said that if Venezuelan devs can't vote without electricity, they will not recognize the new SO moderators.
17:35
Neat, @CodyGray my meta post is hot.
Despite it basically being a dupe lol
Kim Jong Un endorsed Sterling and mandated all North Korean devs to vote for him. I'm shocked he's not doing better
oh my god lol
Laf
Laf
@Machavity Maybe because there are like 500 of them only? :(
He should enlist the chinese devs too, then he'd get many more votes ;)
The Chinese are forbidden to use JavaScript because it contains the word Java, which is what Liu Xiaobo drank (they also don't like Winnie the Pooh either)
17:56
wat
I am here
@KevinB Was kidding about the first part, but they really did ban Winnie the Pooh
18:13
oh i was just saying wat for wat
Laf
Laf
watception
@SterlingArcher I think it's really a UX problem there. The tabs are below the fold and too light to be easily noticed. That having been said, most users are not reading the Meta posts. I doubt SO will change anything
Give me the access. I'll fix it myself
And I won't even use jQuery
Unacceptable. Any and all fixes must take at least 6-8 weeks and must use jQuery.
Code must in the format of $.fn.fix = function(){} and contain at least 3 nested callbacks.
@SterlingArcher IKR
18:18
NO PROMISES
get it? ;D
@TravisJ I can't take this seriously without freehand red circles
Hmm, not getting it. Going to have to defer.
good lord
The bidding will start at 1 upvote.
:P
I'm almost within 1000 of you, hell no!
18:24
Well even if you were 1000 ahead I don't think it would make much difference ;)
Pft. Tell that to Florida. I almost got the votes.
Are we recounting?
there's 7 mo days
@KevinB when are you going to run?
I'd vote for you 4 times
when i start more actively using moderation tools
18:27
all illegal votes, but still
i've had them adblocked for years
and here on chat also shows it
:P
i just noticed... the background behind the logo is different from the rest of the header background
at least, in that screenshot
can't seem to recreate it now
maybe it was the last thing i hovered over or somethin
18:37
Hello everyone!! :D
Need to do upvote in stackoverflow.com/election/11 to give the vote for the primary?????
if you want
It's my first time, don't be rude :)
18:40
@RobertoManfreda Yup. If you like a candidate upvote them.
If you don't like a candidate, downvote.
If you don't have any feelings, move on..
@KevinB I got the impression your answer was rough. I hope and i want to think that was just my impression. I was just wondering if it was the right way! Thanks anyway :)
eh, i meant that more as a, you don't need to vote, but if you want to, yes that's where you do it
Just a note ... There are a lot of first time voters here. Try to be patient with them. Yes, it is pinned on the starboard, but there are many first time users of chat. The starboard/election system on Stack Overflow isn't the most intuitive UI around, and it does take time to understand.
We've secretly hidden a moderator candidate in a tree. Let's see if anyone notices...
Vote for the tree, to keep the nation free ... for it'll not go on a spree, and downvote peeps from eight to three
18:53
did you just rhyme at me
@BhargavRao That's not a very good haiku
That was meant to be a message ..
i don't like trees
Ikr, they don't give out something useful like WiFi
@KevinB But... trees are the Baum
18:56
they just produce pollen
Those are flowers
Dropping biology in school wasn't probably a good idea...
how do we turn CO2 into wifi
vote me and find out
@BhargavRao Actually, trees are flowers on steroids. There's a reason this meme is funny to US Southerners in Spring (pine pollen is crazy)
fly at lowish altitude in the southeastern US during the spring... you can literally see clouds of the stuff
19:10
I haven't noticed it accumulating on my truck yet, but i have seen some in areas where water runs
19:23
when you find pollen, burn it. It has an absurd incendiary power. I think it would be a great fuel for our cars!
cabbage
oops, forgot that doesn't fly here
@coldspeed carrot :)
Let's hope Martjin and Jon are sleeping
I'm still awake..
I thought you never sleep
Mar 8 at 21:09, by Bhargav Rao
True devs don't sleep :D
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19:37
Exactly. ;P
not sure if this makes me a true dev but during my first semester I never went to bed until 6am
it worked out because all my classes were at night
Yeah, that's bad.. true devs never sleep..
He's a phoney!
He's not a true dev!
/riot
i've been sick lately, so terrible sleep schedule
We've exposed him!
19:39
He's pained eyeballs on top of his eyelids so you can't tell when he's asleep anymore
I see there's some stiff competition for 10th place now
didn't sleep saturday night, slept 2-3 hours during the day sunday, didn't sleep sunday night, got 5-6 hours last night
That's more than enough.
@coldspeed RUDE
hey, at least you aren't hogging all the DVs anymore :P
19:43
It took a lot of bribes but I managed to remedy that fiasco ;D
@coldspeed There's stiff competition for 4th place too ;)
Time to turn down the server for the nightly updates... Will be back up tomorrow.. \o
hehe, true
20:07
@BhargavRao I wrote the first chapter ;)
@Machavity will do you cover page :)
@TravisJ "Would you close them in a bar? Would you close them in a car?"
hah :D
@PetterFriberg I'm terrible at drawing. My oldest can draw decently well, tho.
@Machavity I would close them from afar. I would close them from my car.
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20:13
@Machavity As long as Travis pays I'm ok
2 hours ago, by Travis J
The bidding will start at 1 upvote.
20:28
@TravisJ eagerly waiting for the others ...
@BhargavRao It was more of a tongue in cheek reference to writing a book. That is probably all I will edit in, and I expended nearly every section.
Zoe
Zoe
@TravisJ I'll bid 42 mystery votes ;)
@Zoe - That definitely puts you in first place for bids so far :D
Zoe
Zoe
Am I also the only one? xD
No??? Yes... ;)
user3956566
20:38
Yes??? No... :)
Zoe
Zoe
:D
anyone else watching primaries.charcoal-se.org/# with a bag of popcorn?
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Zoe
Zoe
Not with a bag of popcorn, but yeah ^^"
@coldspeed I wish. It is in a separate tab at least though. Currently working on this feature: i.sstatic.net/QtexX.png
(obfuscated)

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