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00:15
Anyone have any ideas on which moderators would be newbie friendly?
Hello, it is time to vote now ?
@Andrew Well, most of the candidates hang out in here, so you can ask. However, it would help to more clearly define what you mean by "newbie friendly". I'm sure all of the candidates are interested in encouraging new users to be productive contributors to Stack Overflow.
Mar 5 at 19:01, by Undo
Go here to vote.
@Andrew I’m a moderator and newbie friendly. But perhaps we have different definitions of ‘newbie friendly’?
My definition: clear and constructive communication of what the site is about and what we expect of users, so new users know how to get the most out of our site, without sarcasm or rude put-downs.
@Zuhrain this is the ‘primaries’ round where you can vote on all the candidates like you can on posts: up and down. This selects the top 10 candidates for the final round, which starts in a few days time.
Thanks @MartijnPieters. I have found a lot of impatience that some SO members have for new members who are learning. This isn't a new complaint about the site, but it's one that's worth asking.
Perhaps another way to ask is: candidates, how many newbies do you classify as 'help vampires' and how fast are you to label someone that way?
I don't moderate users, but posts. Hence I don't assign any labels to new users.
Moderating posts, however, usually involves providing guidance. Especially when the author is new.
00:31
Thanks @BaummitAugen.
What're the hardest and easiest parts of providing guidance to new authors?
Basically, I agree with what @BaummitAugen just said. I'm not sure what you're trying to get at with your question. It really feels like you're asking an XY question. I'm not even sure what you feel is implied by classifying a user as a "help vampire". In my experience, most users which can be termed that just need to be guided towards the proper way to ask follow-on questions, which is to ask an new Question, so people can Answer it.
@Andrew Normally, SO teaches you how to fish. So we teach you principles as well as give answers. A help vampire doesn't want you to teach them to fish, they want you to just give them a fish
Giving guidance is often quite easy when the new user arrives with an open mind. I can tell them how the site works, they can ask questions that get good answers.
What's considerably harder is guiding people who have some fixed idea about how the site works that conflicts with reality.
We have extremely rigorous standards here for what makes a good question. Questions that do not meet our standards are downvoted and closed. This is not a judgment on the people who ask them, and it doesn't mean we're labeling anyone a "help vampire". It just means that particular question, as constructed, didn't meet our requirements.
That group often insists their posts are fine, and are then disappointed when the community keeps disagreeing.
00:35
@BaummitAugen Or someone who won't apply the broader principle of, say, a duplicate question to their situation. They often get angry at dupe closure, swearing it's not the same
The hardest part about conveying guidance to new users (or indeed any users) is getting them to understand exactly what @BaummitAugen said: we don't moderate users; we moderate posts. There's no emotion here. We don't care if your project needs to be done today, or if your homework is due in 2 hours. We only care about the question that was asked, how it fits in our format, and whether it can be answered in a way that will be helpful in building a repository of programming knowledge.
slightly tipsy, more than ready for meta discussion, drops here
Btw @Undo, you might want to link to primaries.charcoal-se.org/vote_counts/graph somewhere. It's too cool to be hidden like that.
G'Morning peeps ...
00:45
Aha, @Baum at the top
Congrats/Good luck
@BhargavRao Thank you!
@BhargavRao Morning o/
Jean and Josh are nearby ... so still a close race
@BaummitAugen I've edited the pinned message
Took me more than one second figuring "Jean" was not to be said with an english accent
00:48
@BhargavRao True. Also, most will be in the top ten, and then the race is reset.
Jean is pronounced like Jeans but without the s.
@SamuelLiew Awesome, thanks!
How many times have you reopened questions that were previously closed, upon further inspection?
Let's call him John to make things easier.
BTW... my thanks to all the candidates participating right now!
00:50
So, this is like, 75.9% serious. There's a lot of hate on PHP questions. Granted, there's a lot of hate on questions. But I've seen mods and employees alike give in regularly to the general "lol php" movement. Sometimes I wonder if there's not some kind of different treatment on questions according to their tags. What's everyone's (to-be mods) view on that? Would you defend a php question that would otherwise be well received were it tagged python?
nice!
@BaummitAugen intentional. That page gets really heavy by the end.
If you know where it is, fine, but don't want to advertise it
Oh, sorry.
No worries
s/php/any unglamorous tag/
00:52
You can delete my previous message then.
@Undo oops sorry :x
nah. "not on the star board" is good enough.
@Andrew too many times ... that's why there is a reopen queue :p
@Undo Pfft. Nobody reads the star board. By the way, how do we vote?
@CodyGray Fill out the voting form and mail it to Shog9. Results posted in 6-8 weeks
00:56
Can I fax it? This is a tech site!
Tough luck there @Mach and @Maky... :\
No, that's not secure enough.
You can fax a PGP encrypted and signed version of the scan, though.
@Andrew Ideally, all questions which are not hopelessly off-topic, would be edited into shape and reopened. Unfortunately, the question authors rarely do so.
@BhargavRao Thanks, yeah that's just the way it goes. I'm thinking about ways to improve things, or at least run an experiment. :-)
@BhargavRao For a first-run it wasn't terrible. I was curious if FGITW would change anything (seems to have hurt since I had 2 separate controversies deleted). But, yeah, it's basically grats to Baum and Jean if nothing changes.
3 hours ago, by Félix Gagnon-Grenier
Congratulations @BaummitAugen and @Jean-FrançoisFabre on your new moderator hats!
called it
01:01
@FélixGagnon-Grenier Fake news
that's like, the most accurate use of "fake news" I've actually read all year
I called it last week when Baum threw his hat in. Jean had already said he was running in SOCVR
It's wrong, it's wrong. It's just a lie. It's all a lie.
I called it last year when Baum came 3rd in primaries
If my candidate doesn't get elected, I will declare an international emergency.
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@CodyGray You'll make Mexico pay for a new election?
They're already paying for it, @Machavity.
damnit, I didn't want to star that. I was only there because of the sheep movement.
01:07
The entire Ma* group should have more votes...
But as I keep saying, this is not the round that counts.
but when the tree talks in the forest, does it make sound really?
4 hours ago, by Baum mit Augen
@JonClements They are my buds, they won't rat me out.
Trees don't talk.
impostor! where's Baum!!
@BaummitAugen Makoto is winning the "Ma" vote
Maybe we should add a spot for a Ma*-derator.
01:11
each of the Mas get 1/3 actions with moderator power
keeps you on your toes, you never know when that vote will be binding
 
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02:17
When do we vote and how do we vote ?
Be careful while voting! The candidate score helps you in that ... but don't base your votes only on that. :)
You mean we have to just upvote the post candidate has written.?
And that is counted as vote ?
Yes. This is the primaries where you just upvote.
or downvote
@Hayat see the yellow box in the sidebar for each of the stages in the election: nomination/primary/election
In the final round of election you can choose the top 3 options
Remember that only the first vote gets counted, as it is STV method of counting votes, so make sure you select the best candidate as first.
And then add in two other additional choices
02:22
hi @BaummitAugen I always see you running and I vote for you each time :)
better luck this time
The tree never falls... it gets higher and higher as time passes
But I wonder how seriously to take this line: "I don't post frequently on meta, but I am planning to improve." if that's really your plan then why didn't it happen already hmm? ;)
Not that I care about post frequency on meta, just sayin'
Yeah, he did mention that he was just commenting and voting
Meta is the last one to improve usually... first you get your flagging/closing correct
and then your reopening and reviewing tuned..
Finally you step into the deep abyss
... actually @Patrick, I had a similar line on my nomination. I had some 11 meta posts when I nominated. Now I have the discussion bronze badge... insert it's something comic here
@BhargavRao It's not that abyss-like. Every now and then it's pleasant. You do have to mind Yog-Shoggoth every now and then.
02:38
Erm, you're already in the abyss ... that's why you are not able to notice it ;p
True.
Haha, bronze badge on Meta what even is that
Hey hey, I'm there in the top users list of [support].
Yuss, I'm a top user there. I might be last, but it's something! — Bhargav Rao ♦ Aug 16 '18 at 20:56
That's not even a top user. The page just always shows you.
Sssh, don't take away my happiness..
02:44
I show up in the Python tag at the same position. Yet, today, I was trying to help a co-worker debug his Python code, and after he typed a line, I reminded him that he forgot the semicolon.
But he had forgotten the semicolon, right?
Exactly!
I even double-checked, and it was not there!
So I took a closer look, and lo and behold, he didn't even have any curly braces around his conditionals.
No wonder that whole mess wasn't working properly.
I heard that there was a plugin which you can use in python to use indentation instead of curly brackets. Was he using that, by any chance?
Worse. He was using Qt.
Ah, damn. Good that you were there for him
02:50
How come you can't see comments on nominations during the primaries?
Yeah, that's by design..
I guess to avoid people from being biased by the comments?
Have no idea tho.
I can understand that to an extent, but I think it also takes away nomination interaction and possible "deal breaking" interactions
Possibly just to reduce the amount of scrolling required to vote
Oh, maybe next year just collapse it lol
Comments are just to request clarification. That should have already happened, so you know where you stand on the candidates by the primary.
02:53
Yeah, a collapsed "See comments" would have been way better.
Arguably, if there's really something important in the comments, you should edit it into the nomination.
'Course, that's impossible, since there is way too small of a character limit on the nominations.
how many downvotes do we get?
it seems that we only get one upvote
No, unlimited votes, both up and down, during the primary.
You can vote on all the candidates, if you wish.
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Q: Must I vote on all candidates in the election?

ivan_pozdeevIf I understand it correctly, this time around, we have a different voting system in the moderator election. Instead of selecting the "top 3" candidates as previously, I can individually vote for or against each of them. Yet, I see that some candidates are good (=>vote for), some are bad (=>vote...

02:59
every time I visit the election page it seems to have forgotten or unmarked my vote
Don't login from a different account ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
maybe because I was using browser Back button
Ah, yeah. Refreshing should fix that
when I go there directly again I see all my votes now
03:02
Wait, that's not caching, right? It's just rendering old data, because they pressed the back button.
I believe it is a caching issue, most browsers by default load from the cache upon hitting the back button
Good to know, thanks.
Ah, look-y what I found:
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Q: There's an election going on. What's happening and how does it work?

ben is uǝq backwardsThe community bulletin says that there is a moderator election occurring. How does the election work and how can I get involved? Return to FAQ index

This may answer some of our fellow peeps' questions.
(Still looking for a dupe of Sterling Archer's question. Haven't found one yet. Quite surprised...)
Samuel found a related question, I would almost classify it as almost a duplicate
But mines kind of the opposite
03:17
Closed as "almost a duplicate, but actually the opposite"
Now you know what your next feature request should be.
xD
Definitely an easier feature than an electrical grid wiring editor
Who wants that, and why?
Also...
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Q: Comments on moderator nomination statements should be visible in all stages of the election

Brad LarsonDuring the nomination phase, members of the community can comment on the nomination statements for each candidate. This can provide valuable information about how the community regards these candidates, as well as specific positive and negative points that go beyond the metrics displayed. There i...

Work wants it :P
Different site, doesn't count!
Fair enough
But I still found it
I always forget the uber-meta.
03:22
The deeper and darker abyss
What about the previous moderators? will they still be moderator or it's gonna be completely new group (or previous if they win) ?
@JageshMaharjan You're stuck with most of us. There may be one or two of the current moderators who step down after the election, but that has not been announced yet.
I see, thanks for the quick response @CodyGray
A diamond is forever - DeBeers Stack Exchange
I like rolling periods, TBH. Elected for 4 years or so, with the option to step out earlier. There's elections every year to add 3 new mods ...
Ready to get rid of Martijn and Jon, @Bhargav?
03:30
Nah... They're some of the best ones out there...
They'd win no matter how many elections they fight.
It's OK, they're not here
Nah, dis genuine stuff :p
04:09
Hello
04:33
hi i got a notification to cast primary vote today. how to cast primary vote.
Hi... "There is no commenting in this phase, only one up or down vote per candidate. The candidate vote scores are all public. Initial voting should provide a rough sense of which candidates are most electable."
@JintoJacob Visit this page stackoverflow.com/election/11
You can upvote the candidates you like, and down vote the ones you don't.
that's it.
Also worth to note: "After 4 days, the top 10 candidates based on primary vote score proceed onward to the election phase."
Note that Primary stage will close in 4 days
04:38
This is the primary phase. Its purpose is to narrow down the field, to reduce the number of candidates before the final election.
You can vote on any or all of the candidates, up or down, based on whether or not you think they should appear in the final election.
The top 10 scoring candidates from this primary phase, based on votes, will advance to the final election.
I think instructions are already there in election page, right?
Is there any more than that descriptions?
Yes, there are instructions on the election page.
More detailed instructions and description of elections can be found here:
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Q: There's an election going on. What's happening and how does it work?

ben is uǝq backwardsThe community bulletin says that there is a moderator election occurring. How does the election work and how can I get involved? Return to FAQ index

If you want to find out more about the candidates, they have answered community submitted questions on Meta.
thanks... good to know that
Sure. :-) Feel free to ask if you have any more questions.
sure.
05:10
looks like -> fill the blank. BaummitAugen and .............................
@Undo can you post the number of vote increased per hour(or 30min) per candidates.. ? [ just a buzz.. not a formal request.. you can ignore it if it is of no sense/use. ] /(-_-)
How to vote? I could not find anywhere?
@KamalPanhwar Go here stackoverflow.com/election/11
and then upvote who ever you like, and downvote who ever you don't.
05:15
just pasting it one more time, just to be sure.
If you don't have any feelings towards a user, don't vote and move ahead
@BhargavRao I was wondering how to vote, thanks for clarifying.
No worries, thank you for voting!
Backed primary monitor polling off to 5/min from 12/min
05:36
@Undo Nice report.thanks for updates
I would like to vote for the candidate who is not trigger happy to down vote every other question, and a bit tolerant to the questions by less knowledgeable than him.
That's nice, feel free to peruse the list of candidates and vote based on who you feel matches your description.
Which candidate is NOT trigger happy to DOWNVOTE every other question and discourage this trend? Please raise your hand, I want to vote for you.
You can look at the nomination posts, and read the questionnaire
@Zeni - You should read some of my meta posts
05:46
It is easier that way. The candidates would not have a chance to lie
Dear Rao, are you candidate?
Nope, I am already a moderator.
Its up to your wish. You can vote up or down candidates
Simply I will never downvote any candidate, until I know him very well.
or her. :)
05:48
Read this replays to questions & look their experience on SO.
or them.
Yes sure or HER or THEM :)
Check out a candidate's profile. See how they behave on Stack Overflow, and then cast your vote.
Ya, thats good. Know them by their experience on SO or replays to questions
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A: If a 1k rep user told a 6k rep user that answering 'No research effort' question is not The SO way, would that be rude?

Travis JDon't get too hung up on these situations. If you feel like actioning the post, fine, but at least keep in mind that there are many successful posts at Stack Overflow like this one: Many people have burnt out attempting to prevent this type of question from being on the site, or even from remo...

05:50
If you're already refraining from voting because you don't know a candidate, then you're better than half the voters already! :)
@BhargavRao: thats a good idea to know a candidate
You can know a candidate by reading their answers to the questionnaire.
That's the only way anyone knows a candidate.
Yes, that's if you have time.
I'd certainly spend some time off and read them.
06:05
Well, not the only way, but it gets a lot of exposure.
It's also very targeted.
Could have written a book about those broad questions.
"The Tales of Travis and the Too broad questions"
lol yes
@TravisJ Some of the candidates did
A little, nit much though, I read all of them
They seemed to be decently sized to me
@Jean-FrançoisFabre I already read everything, so I have to just click vote to one person like we do for answers? is that all?
06:10
@KamalPanhwar You can vote any number of people you want
This is the primaries only, so you decide which all candidates you want to go to the next phase
You can downvote candidates whom you don't want to proceed to next phase.
how can I cast my vote?
@TanveerMunir Go here stackoverflow.com/election/11
And click upvote or downvote on candidates you like!
The top 10 will advance
Then you choose your top 3, and two of them become mods
and 1 will become god
There can be only one.
06:19
Quick question to candidates ... NAA or not? stackoverflow.com/a/55115031/4099593
The moderators hold a concurrent election for god
how do we know if a person is not biased or abusing his power.
I mean how can we know if a person is good enough to be a moderator
?
What do you mean by "abusing his power"?
What would an abuse of power look like?
I have seen a lot of good questions and answers being downvoted for nothing, without any explaination
Ah, yeah, moderators don't do that
06:22
@BhargavRao It's actually an answer. Not a good answer, but an answer. However, stabs in the dark like that usually indicate problems with the question.
@ahmednawazbutt Moderators have nothing to do with vote patterns. Anyone can vote however they like, and voting is completely anonymous.
Will someone explains the responsibilities after being a GOD? How is that different from the Moderator's responsibility?
The god thing was a joke.
I am new to this process so may I ask why woudl you you say a candidate is worth a vote up?
If you think someone would make a good moderator, then you should vote them up. That decision would be based on whether or not you agree with their vision for the site, and their answers to the questions.
If you're looking for people who don't downvote and don't close questions, you will not like any of the choices.
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06:26
@Nishanthॐ That's my bad, Travis was using numbers which came down from 10 to 3 to 2, so I added 1. You can ignore that message.
don't downvote and don't close :)
@CodyGray I agree with you.
are you guys thinking that voting is necessary
Yep.
Voting is necessary in a functioning democracy
You are free to not vote, but then your voice won't be heard.
06:31
ha ha ok cool
Good luck, and vote wisely!
Every vote counts
yup sure @BhargavRao thanks
May the best candidate win.
That's the spirit!
@BhargavRao honestly I don't know how does it work, first time I am getting alert that I should vote even I never used chat and always scare of those moderators as I don't like politics at all.
06:41
@KamalPanhwar You don't need to be scared of moderators :)
They are also humans ...
Voting for a moderator is easy. Go here stackoverflow.com/election/11
Some of us are humans.
Read everyone's nomination, check their score, spend some time, etc, and upvote them if you like them. If you don't like them, then downvote them.
But we don't do politics.
After this there'll be next phase, where you select top three.
Order matters there. Here it doesn't.
how to vote for nominees
06:46
And then click either upvote or downvote on candidates you like or don't like
okey thanks
This is just first phase. After this there'll be next phase, where you select top three.
@BhargavRao Have you been replaced with a bot?
Nopes...
Typing them out by hand..
I did miss not being present in the past two elections ... SE found a time when I was on vacation.. :|
I like replying to new peeps, about the elections ... more the number of people who vote, the better.
07:14
@BhargavRao Did you not vote?
I voted then, but I was not active in chat...
@BhargavRao Me neither :-)
Now's the opportunity to excel in chat ;p
Hello, may I ask here for why a VLQ flag on this question has been disputed? Maybe a "Should be closed/Unclear what u r asking/Too broad" would have been better?
07:23
@Selaron yep.
Use the VLQ flag only for garbage
thx - was it disputed by review votes or moderator?
By the review queue ... Moderators can't dispute.. :)
You can think of a VLQ flag as a "moderator, please delete immediately"
Good AfterNoon Here in India
Hmm can't find reviews on that post using data.stackexchange.com - did the edit possibly remove the flag? Someone replaced "my" with "\nmy" ^^
07:35
GoD Afternoon... :-). how is the election progressing? 50% or more?
Good afternoon \o
Afternoon!
@Selaron SEDE is cached for a week.
@Selaron Your VLQ flag removed it from First Posts. It also went through Triage. Since everyone said it required editing, it went into Help and Improvement, and from there, someone edited it. That removed it from the queues. Which is an important lesson: when reviewing, only edit if the post is salvageable.
Hey everyone, Mohit from India.
07:38
Hey Mohit, Zlytherin from India.
@CodyGray: You traced out a complete flow of a question through review! nice.
Thanks very much for your research - the "Requires editing" button, known problem tho ;)
Good morning
I want to ask if only 11 candidates applied for nominations? I mean there are 11 candidates in nomination phase, does that mean only 11 are interested in becoming mod this time, or some were rejected?
07:41
@Selaron Yes, quite well known to me :-)
@Zlytherin None were rejected. Only 11 people nominated themselves this year.
1 will be rejected..
Ohh
Gotcha
Hey guys, Sakkeer from Tamil Nadu, India.
Will be rejected, after the primary based on the results of voting.
IOW, the top 10 will be selected.
07:44
Considering one candidate's lack of responses to their meta answer, And the current votes, I've got a bit of a hunch who that one will be...
Oh, I almost forgot: Hey guys, Cerbrus from Overijssel, Netherlands
@CodyGray although the text was altered since your proposal, it's still massively misused.
@CodyGray : Very informative flow chart. Thanks for the share. Really there is a lot of hard work behind each & every question posted
@Cerbrus No spoilers!
Apparently we should introduce ourselves here..
@CodyGray but is it really a spoiler when it's so predictable?
Well, then. I'm Cody Gray. I'm inside Stack Overflow deleting ur answerz!
07:46
I mean, everyone totally saw the red wedding coming *Cough*
2 + 2 is 4
@BhargavRao Mind = blown
Bhargav 4 mod
Damn, you didn't get the connection :(
Apparently not
2 + 2 is 4, minus one is 3, quick maths ... (it's the lyrics of a rap song)
07:48
:-)
What rap song is that? I've never heard it.
user6830821
Good luck,
It's usually used when someone says the obvious stuff ... ;p
Oh, I didn't know that was a meme
It's not. Bhargav is literally the only one who has ever heard of it
07:49
(I also never really liked that rap...)
Oh I've heard of it
But it's sooooo last year
Wat, it's got some 3M likes on Youtube :D
Yeah, dead meme.. true
I have never heard of this person, and I listen to a lot of rap
It's a parody
07:51
It actually started off as a parody, but it became famous. After that he made a video song and launched it.
I wouldn't be surprised if the rap scene avoided it
That got some 3M votes.
@BhargavRao still a parody
Lonely Island is a parody. Also awesome.
@Cerbrus really? They made it into a music video, I remember seeing and disliking it.. :p
07:52
@BhargavRao so queries there are processed on up to 7d old data? good to know, thx
@BhargavRao Weird Al makes music videos...
Lonely Island is a good example as well.
@Selaron SEDE is refreshed every Sunday, so it is 7d old on Saturday.
Music videos are often self-parodies, even by "major" artists.
Or the Bloodhound Gang
Or heck, even LMFAO is a parody
Have you heard the "I like hot dog" japanese translation song? ... that's also a classic. ;p
07:54
Nope
At work, so don't want to search those stuff..
:D
Same
LMFAO made "I'm sexy and I know it"
Oh yeah, that one was nice
Hi guys
07:57
Bloodhound Gang: "The bad touch" and "Foxtrot Uniform Charlie Kilo", for example... "You and me baby ain't nothin' but mammals, So let's do it like they do on the Discovery Channel"
Hello Bhargav, How's your day going?
I'm sure you've heard that one
The day is going great, thanks for asking. How about you?

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