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9:00 PM
yes
 
Two flags were raised as far as I could see.
 
That's what it says. Invalid flags were confirmed :(
2 flags on both messages
 
Both messages were deleted.
 
@SterlingArcher - Yeah, those two comments weren't worthy of that. His behavior overall was, up til the point when it seemed he would leave on his own...so, flag abusing was kind of a bad route. Agree.
 
chat ban caused by flags is reversed anyway
 
9:01 PM
this chat flagging system needs improvement.
 
What? There is something wrong with chat flagging?
 
SE was very vocal in saying "we dont care about chat"
 
Never heard that one before :P
 
"do you think this message isn't abusive or is it ? (yes) (no)"
 
baah it kind of served, yelling random stuff on SO is not appreciated
 
9:02 PM
Candidates: as a moderator, what would you do if people advocated that a flag based suspension (in chat) was improper?
 
ends... means...
 
"This message was flagged as abusive. [Not Abusive] [Delete Message] [Ban User]"
 
Where do I vote ?
 
"Is this statement false? (yes) (no)"
 
Would you remove the ban, even if they were "annoying etc" and would probably be kicked?
 
9:02 PM
yeah: confusing message contest !!
 
@SterlingArcher In this case I would. Although, that user was borderline on getting a manual suspension as well.
Politely saying "dude, stop" only goes so far sometimes.
 
imo, I agree. it's more work, but I'd rather the correct suspension be applied.
 
On SO would you red flag an answer yelling random stuff?
 
YES I WOULD
 
PROBABLY
 
9:04 PM
Please don't shout that, we get it.
 
@PetterFriberg - SO has a flag for that. Chat only says "spam/offensive". It wasn't really spam, it wasn't random, and to be honest it wasn't offensive. It was just disruptive.
 
@TravisJ inappropriate, try to to flag
 
@PetterFriberg Where do you see inappropriate? I could flag every message I personally found not to be agreeing with under that same guise.
 
Flag: [Made my opinion wrong]
 
Misinterpreting user moderation features is a large problem at Stack Overflow. It shouldn't be encouraged, even in a smaller place like chat.
 
9:07 PM
People should have to comment their downvotes on the election.
 
-1 because I don't want you to be moderator
Yeah, that'd be super useful.
 
noone gets my jokes today.
 
I will be honest the yelling "BAD MOD" was inappropriate and too much for me, I wanted to show mods that they do not need to take this kind of continues abusive behaviour (I flagged that)
 
@CodyGray lol "you suck -1"
"I mean... sure it's valid."
 
Nothing you can use to improve on tbh @SterlingArcher
 
9:08 PM
@Jean-FrançoisFabre I actually chuckled.
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre That's a recipe for voter intimidation right there. People afraid to downvote because they fear what the candidates will do to them when they find out.
 
user3956566
@PetterFriberg I agree. I would have marked that as helpful. Within the context of how it unraveled.
 
@Makoto I only want to improve my drumming.
:D
 
@PetterFriberg But you didn't select "Flag for moderator" with that message. You flagged for instant community reaction.
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@CodyGray glad to be of help saving your day
 
9:09 PM
Strange that you're using an election for tips :o
 
Don't question my learning methods ;D
 
"I like pie -1"
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre It needs way more help than that, unfortunately.
 
user3956566
@Jean-FrançoisFabre Cody talks with a straight face. It's because he literally is a pair of glassed and cannot flex his face :)
 
@TravisJ I flagged as dialog says "inappropriate"
 
9:10 PM
@CodyGray okay, in a few, I'll let the good jokes out.
@YvetteColomb it's spectacular.
 
@TravisJ the reasoning was this is getting abusive, I'm not RO I will use the tools that I have
 
@PetterFriberg There is the word "inappropriate" in there. There is also an example of what would be inappropriate such as spam or abusive messages. I just don't think that rises to the level of abuse. As I said, it was disruptive, but the level of interruption from that user was still rather low.
I just don't think that the community flag should be used on a set of messages to attempt to punish a user when there is clearly a custom mod message available to use. Misusing features is a slippery slope.
It shows a disregard for means so long as ends are met.
 
user3956566
Under the circumstances it was ok to flag the user. They have disrupted the entire mood of the room and hijacked the conversation. We're still discussing them. Rather than split hairs, we all agree they needed to be quietened down
 
user3956566
@TravisJ a mod would have kiced them anyway. The end result is the same
 
Unless I'm missing something, "inappropriate" only appears in the tooltip. The flag is clearly labeled as being for "spam/offensive" content, and "inappropriate" is just an easy way to collectively refer to both of those in the tooltip.
 
9:15 PM
The troll season came early this year
 
@YvetteColomb Can mods suspend from chat only (as opposed to just a suspension on main which results in chat banning).
 
@TravisJ Just using my tools.. too me it was time to stop it, (several nice attempts has been made) and the the tool says abusive or inappropriate
 
@TravisJ Yes, we can. Shall I try? :-)
 
@CodyGray Depends on your intent.
 
user3956566
@TravisJ we can kick users from chat rooms, which temporarily chat bans them. Chat flags and kicks don't affect main site suspension
 
9:16 PM
@CodyGray nope it says: spam, inappropriate or offensive
 
user3956566
Is that what you're meaning?
 
The dialog
 
@YvetteColomb - That is an RO feature (I assume that you meant the kick-mute feature). Is that the same one you use there? I was just under the impression that if a mod were to take action for suspending it would only be available through main suspension.
 
@TravisJ CMs can ban you from chat and not main, I don't think mods can though... maybe they can, but I've never seen it happen
 
@TylerH CM's have special features :P I didn't think mods can chat ban for custom lengths though, which is why I asked.
 
user3956566
9:18 PM
@TravisJ Nope, it's a chat feature. I'm unsure of the RO features
 
Okay
 
user3956566
@TylerH we can chat ban
 
@PetterFriberg Where are you seeing that? When I click the down arrow on a message, I see only "flag as spam/offensive".
 
user3956566
without suspending on main
 
@CodyGray If you hover it, the tooltip says it.
 
9:19 PM
@TylerH For starters, we can instaflagnuke a comment, and the poster would get a 30 min chat ban
 
title="Flagging a message helps bring inappropriate content to the attention of moderators and other users, for example spam or abusive messages."
 
@TylerH chat bans are possible independently of the main site... mods can choose a number of hours to ban for up to several hundred years...
 
@CodyGray using mobile a dialog opens
 
user3956566
ah so glas Madara is here, he's the chat king.
 
@JonClements thousand*
 
9:20 PM
so, INT_MAX hours?
 
I have to go for a while, see you all around :D Good luck!
 
Zoe
@JonClements until the inevitable 32 bit Int Overflow?
 
I believe I managed to suspend Tobi or whatever his name was till year ~5700
 
banned until the red dwarf sun makes SO servers melt.
just to be sure.
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre Banned till SO shuts down, or death. Whichever comes last.
 
Can't the guy create a new account and start over?
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre He tried that
He got counter-trolled into thinking that SO has a unique ID for his browser and the only way was to log in from IE 8.
 
Also, that it's risky having a picture of a person as your display pic, because SO has a secret spy network that allows them to track you down through humanoid display pictures, so it's better to use the image of a puppy, those cannot be tracked.
 
@MadaraUchiha i thought the max was 470 something days?
 
9:24 PM
That's not my real face :)
 
@ColdFire Those are the rookie numbers, yes.
@Jean-FrançoisFabre Doesn't matter, the spy network is still on to you
 
user10976548
This is what my face looks like: google.com/…:
 
I'll just hide in a forest.
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lol
@MadaraUchiha i see
 
user3956566
9:25 PM
@BaummitAugen but if you fall and noone is around, does it make a sound?
 
no
 
@YvetteColomb I hate that question 😃
 
@PetterFriberg Ack! Foiled by different semantics in different views.
 
Of course a falling tree would make a sound even if no one is there, physics continue to work even in the absence of observers.
 
Baum you're killing us!
 
user3956566
9:26 PM
@MadaraUchiha it's an incredibly self absorbed question
 
user3956566
does the universe continue to function if there's no human around to experience it
 
user10976548
If you guys agree to upvote all of my posts I'll downvote Baum.
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre Eh, we are on the same pace atm it seems.
 
@BaummitAugen but how can you hide in a forest if the trees have eyes? :)
 
@BaummitAugen you aren't feeling Josh breath on your neck
 
9:27 PM
@Jean-FrançoisFabre Also, the votes that count are counted Tuesday.
 
@YvetteColomb Of course, we have evidence to that effect in the form of gigantic bird skeletons that lived here millions of years before humans were a thing
 
@JonClements They are my buds, they won't rat me out.
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user3956566
@MadaraUchiha yeh I agreeing.. you know that right? :p
 
@BaummitAugen I feel that I'll fare much better than last year.
 
user3956566
9:28 PM
@BaummitAugen it's cos they have eyes, not mouths.
 
@JonClements How can mirrors work when our eyes aren't real?
 
I'm not sure of the time repartition of votes though
 
user3956566
@Jean-FrançoisFabre from this point it looks very strong for you and eyeball on a tree
 
I just cannot believe it.
 
user3956566
 
9:30 PM
Arpit's charge to victory has begun
 
user3956566
@Jean-FrançoisFabre be prepared, it's a steep learning curve, but we have the queue under control and there's plenty of hands on deck to help the new mods
 
I hope so for Baum :)
@StephenKennedy I'm thanking Arpit, because without him we wouldn't have had a primary.
 
@YvetteColomb You had more upvotes than me though, if I'm not mistaken. Just worse net score.
 
user3956566
@StephenKennedy no need to be mean. They gave it a shot,
 
user3956566
@BaummitAugen Yep, which is why I was elected. You can't downvote in elections.
 
9:32 PM
@YvetteColomb I'm not being mean. He pulled up to a positive number. Good on him.
 
user3956566
I came third both years. The first time they only elected two mods. The second time they took 3.
 
@StephenKennedy plot twist: He wins
 
user3956566
@StephenKennedy ah ok. I get it. I thought you were being sarcastc.
 
user3956566
I was surprised ttytt you're not like that
 
user3956566
@Undo have you got some graphs for two mod elections?
 
9:35 PM
@Jean-FrançoisFabre Thanks, but we'll see. Many strong candidates in the end.
The end result will be good for the site, no matter what.
 
@YvetteColomb ah nice
 
@BaummitAugen I don't want to bring you bad luck. I don't believe in luck anyway.
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre A coin flip is luck, this is a decision by the community. No worries. :)
 
Damn I wanted to work tonight...
 
@BaummitAugen Is that supposed to make us feel better?
 
9:38 PM
@BaummitAugen For sure. Pretty much all of the realistic candidates are excellent ones.
 
ok, candidate strike. Let's all withdraw.
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre Sure, you start
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@CodyGray Hey, I'm running, what more can I do? =D
 
@MadaraUchiha that's my line
 
Sure, I withdraw my participation in this election.
Your turn.
 
9:39 PM
xD
 
damn. Okay.
 
10:05 PM
how many moderators we can elect
 
There's only two slots open for this election.
You can cast your vote for up to three - in order of preference.
 
@Makoto . Great thanks
 
OI
YOU GOT UN ELECTION LOICENSE BRUV?
 
@Makoto I have up-vote 4 peoples without problem; are sure there is a limit to 3 ?
 
@Galigator This is the primary phase. You can vote for as many people as you want to in order to narrow the field down to ten finalists.
 
10:08 PM
@RagavanRajan However, this is the primary phase of the election, so you can cast up- and down-votes on as many as you desire. The main election, which begins in 4 days, is when you are limited to 3 votes.
ninja'd
 
thx
 
@Makyen got it. I have voted based on the candidate reputation. :)
 
probably not the best option, but thank you :)
 
Le Toucan chat has arrived!
 
10:10 PM
@RagavanRajan Yeah, I'd actually look past a candidate's rep and see what it is they did on the site, in terms of moderation and how you've seen them handle certain situations. The questionnaire answers are useful too. Voting by reputation just makes this [more of] a popularity contest.
 
@Makoto i go by cuteness
 
overly inside joke about le Toucan (something in a video game), very thinly disguised as an excuse to spam my excitement in chat
 
@RagavanRajan Great. You should vote however you feel is appropriate. Remember, these will be your moderators, who it will be is up to you (and everyone else :-) ).
 
@SuperStew Oh, okay - I'll change my gravatar later tonight (kinda due for a switch anyway). Hopefully that doesn't count against those of us who still have gravatars? :D
 
@Makoto i won't hold it against you
 
10:13 PM
Is there a way to give a "no confidence" vote for a current moderator?
 
Nope.
 
Hi!

Is there an kind of "analysis" where the main/top "problems" here on SO are laid out and described? And if new moderators are expected to address and deal with those?
 
@Dan1138 if you have an issue with a current moderator, reach out to the Community Team instead
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A: What recourse do I have if I believe a moderator has abused their privileges?

BinaryMisfitIf you have a dispute with a diamond moderator your options are: Send a message to the Stack Exchange team via the "contact us" link at the bottom of any page with your complaint and links to the questions/answers. Flag for moderator attention and request a second moderator to have a look. Fo...

 
@NoOneSpecial That would kinda be the questionnaire each to-be mod answered before primary
 
where do i cast my vote?
 
10:15 PM
@Dan1138 No. But, if you feel they have done something wrong, you can create a Meta post about the problem. Moderators are usually quite responsive to issues brought up on Meta. If you feel it amounts to something like gross misconduct, then you have the option of using the "contact us" link at the bottom of each page to send a message to Stack Exchange staff.
 
Congratulations @BaummitAugen and @Jean-FrançoisFabre on your new moderator hats!
 
They also have a big pile of paper bags handy.
@FélixGagnon-Grenier nope, not yet.
 
@FélixGagnon-Grenier OI
 
:D
@Jean-FrançoisFabre I'm kidding, I am fairly aware of the process. That was a chilish joke about most elections ending very much like the primary results.
 
10:17 PM
only thing I know I'm not going to end up 9th on 10 this time.
 
@FélixGagnon-Grenier Those votes don't count. XD
 
@Makoto I'm rooting for you
 
@FélixGagnon-Grenier <3
Thanks, it means a lot
 
@Makyen hmmm, going to meta with it might lead to many "no confidence" votes in return ...
 
10:18 PM
Where can we see what the candidates can bench press?
or dead lift, i'm not that picky
 
It is in their profile, erroneously called helpful flags
 
No one ever asks for the squat.
 
... That being said, @BaummitAugen have some very strong puns, the choice will be hard
 
@SuperStew guided or non-guided?
 
@FélixGagnon-Grenier I saw the questions, but they were very specific...they mostly are about when somebody misbehave in some way, and in my experience that is not really a big issue on here...so there have not been any structured process to try to figure out what people think should work better on here?
 
10:19 PM
@FélixGagnon-Grenier At least I'm winning on the star board. =D
 
that's a start.
 
@rene True, but it does get the issue out in the open and generate a response. It may not be a response that the asker likes, but they they do get one.
 
@BaummitAugen or squat
@Jean-FrançoisFabre i'm not sure what you mean by guided, so lets go non guided
 
@Makyen true, but it is fair to mention that meta has two sides and that isn't always the side you're on.
 
10:21 PM
@SuperStew some presses have guides so you can train alone without risking to be crushed by the bar (the bar rotates into locking position). It's also much easier as you can push in all directions and the bar rises.
 
@rene Definitely true.
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre ahhh yea, like the Smith Machine. Yea i don't think that one actually counts. I'd still say non guided
 
I can do 10 push ups.
 
Is it just me or does the primary seem kinda silly since it's basically picking the loser?
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre well thats something
 
10:23 PM
@SuperStew believe me this guided thing is waaaay easier than the classical one. I once pushed 100kg, but I'm not sure if I can push 60 kg on the classical.
 
@NoOneSpecial that is not for the moderators to decide. The meta crowd determines the direction, mods only govern the consensus.
 
Also ended up with a shoulder tendinitis so I'm not trying that stunt again.
 
It's an honor to meet you all Devs. I will do my best to keep all my questions well framed and all my answers up to the point. Thank you so much all. For me being on stack overflow is like living an amazing life i don't want anything from physical world, except FOOD <3
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre Those definitely do not count. =D
 
@ViperTecPro ???
 
10:25 PM
@BaummitAugen yeah I know. Anyway, I don't do that anymore.
 
I think some users are under the impression this chat is where you nominate. It is not.
 
@rene not sure I understand? The moderators are not supposed to make the site better for users by dealing with what users considers to be the largest problems?
 
Nope.
Moderators keep the site clear of abusive users and content to the best of their ability.
 
ohh well i'm new in coding world and it excites me the most i don't have anyone to talk about so sorry for talking apart from important and serious discussion. I didn't mean to interrupt at all, i apologize. :)
 
Zoe
almost 700 new messages o_o
 
10:28 PM
No need to apologize, you didn't interrupt
 
Seems like the field's now evenly split into distinct "bands"
 
That's not what I call "interrupting". We've seen a lot worse. And less nice too.
 
Zoe
^
 
feeww thank god, can anyone tell me is in stackoverflow all the normal users are moderator ? is there any superadmin or sub admin like we usually create in our database like defining roles and permissions ? i was wondering who's the super admin
 
@TravisJ if that is all they should do, then we can replace them all with a "block user" feature, that would just remove the blocked user and any content from that user from my view of the site.
 
10:31 PM
@NoOneSpecial i've said this so many times. I agree, but good luck....
 
@SuperStew said what?
 
@ViperTecPro The "super admins" are employees of SE, the corporation. Then there are elected moderators, who are the users with the highest moderation power, and the "normal" users who can moderate with their reputation based privileges.
 
@NoOneSpecial " then we can replace them all with a "block user" feature"
 
@NoOneSpecial we have 26 mods and 10,000,000 users. Something is off in your expectation. I admit mods are awesome but no that awesome.
 
Zoe
@ViperTecPro There's basically three types of moderators: the regular users (no diamonds, limited by rep-linked privileges), the diamond moderators (the ones the election are for - tools unrelated to rep, extends regular users), and the community moderators (employees who are paid to). All the employees have cross-site diamonds IIRC (and some/all, not sure, have database access too)
the first group isn't moderators within the definition, but they do moderation, so kinda
 
10:35 PM
so which problem is a moderator the solution to?
 
The diamond moderator handles stuff that normal users can't - like mass moderation of comments or suspensions of users, to name a few things
 
@Makoto i think his point is that if users simply had a bit more "self moderation" type tools, a lot of that wouldn't be needed
 
I disagree
We have a lot of users who are eligible to use the tools we have today and a fraction of a fraction do
Furthermore there are things that you'd see during the course of said moderation which may require confidentiality or require higher level intervention (e.g. someone posting their complete database credentials on the site)
 
@Makoto are there any simple "block comments from this user" type features?
 
still, which problem are moderators suposed to solve?
 
10:37 PM
No, and I don't think that'll ever happen tbh
 
yea im not holding my breath, but it is the biggest issue i have with moderation here
 
Zoe
@SuperStew Comments? No. Chat messages? yes.
 
Can anyone tell me how to work in stack overflow company ? is there any exam ? or we keep on getting higher reputation btw what's the highest reputation ? and please let me know how can i contribute here i saw so many people talking about downvotes and flags and all that, what are we struggling with i don't understand that,
what i understood is IF my question or answer is not up the mark then the high rep user ( the one with privileges ) can modify it as per he/she things it's correct so that's the deal ?
 
Ok, read the blog post, but it is like a generic description of what a moderator can do, and what they are supposed to do and so on.
I'm ok with this, no problem. But if that's all a moderator has to go on, then he/she might end up spending all time on stuff no-one really consider a problem.
 
10:44 PM
@Zoe why not comments/answers etc?
 
Zoe
@ViperTecPro There's no rep cap aside the daily rep cap. To work for SO you need to apply like with any other job.
 
@NoOneSpecial Moderators have binding votes, can see more information about users, and can handle flags. There's more than that, but that's the gist
 
Zoe
@SuperStew Because it's a Q&A site and not a social media?
/shrug
Ask the devs
pretty sure there are some feature requests too
 
@NoOneSpecial Believe me, that stuff would be a problem if the mods wouldn't handle it.
There are thousands of problems they solve every day, that would accumulate quite fast if left alone.
 
@Makoto I thought there where some top 10 list of what users think are the main problems and where moderators should focus their energy on...
 
10:46 PM
That's the questionnaire - it's meant to represent the pulse of the community during the election and give an insight into how a candidate would respond to those circumstances if elected.
The responsibilities of being a moderator don't change, but how you actually react to certain situations is a useful way to see how a candidate thinks about something.
 
@Makoto The questionnaire is extremely explicit question of very specific behavior. It takes like 0.1 s to scroll past the useless/ignorant/obnoxious questions/replies. I always thought moderators main goal would be to deal with the quality of the information, like merging similar questions, removing wrong answers and so on....what would really help out and increase the value of the site.
 
@NoOneSpecial Moderators aren't elected because they're subject matter experts.
 
Now you're kidding with me it's not just any other job. for me, it actually is much more than that..it's my dream company. But it will take me years to be there so...nevermind, wow seems like moderator's have alot alot to do to keep it all clean and steady, is it possible that we can setup minimum wordlimit like say 50 words ? there can't be any question less that 50 words right ? 50 is just an example could be 100
 
It's unsafe to assume that they are, but it turns out to be a happy coincidence if they are.
@ViperTecPro: My otherwise valid question takes umbrage with your limit stackoverflow.com/q/55013516/1079354
Besides, that's not really what we should be talking about right now - this is more for the election.
 
Zoe
@ViperTecPro why limit it? If it takes a lot of text to explain a point of view, just let it rather than shortening answers and risking ending up with a bunch of half-completed answers that require clarification
 
10:54 PM
@Makoto they don't need to be...the community point out duplicates, and vote for the best answers and so on...all that's needed is for a human to really look at questions to make sure they really are the same before merging them
 
@NoOneSpecial Humans make mistakes too. Besides, the fact that the community has taken action implies that a diamond moderator doesn't need to concern themselves with it, freeing them up for more heinous stuff like voting fraud or plagiarism.
 
Anyway, I got an answer. Thanks.
@Makoto plagiarism? How do you mean? I thought everything was copied from somewhere else all the time :)
 
@NoOneSpecial Like, someone deciding to copy wholesale Wikipedia or a book without any attribution. Basically representing someone else's work as their own.
 
minimum Limit is only for question description text ? don't you think it's another job for morderator to remove it ? if you've any perfect example please let me know. i there there is no coding related question which can be explained under 50 words is there ?
 
It's fine to reference outside things - we do it all the time; it's not fine to just take someone else's work and get the credit for it.
 
Zoe
10:58 PM
@ViperTecPro only theoretical ones, but the answers are usually massive
 
@ViperTecPro - you may get further - slightly further - if you post a Meta question on this matter. I don't think that a question limit would fly very far here, though.
 
Zoe
There's that one Git question with >10k votes or something that's definitely under 50 words
But anything with code would break that limit fast
 
@Zoe But that's Git - you don't need a lot of words to explain what's broken with Git
 
answers supposed to be massive otherwise question will be half cleared
 
Zoe
Any decent explanation of attempts + an MCVE eats 50 words on the first couple lines
@Makoto I don't think it was a "something broke" kinda question
The highest upvotes question has a lot more than 50 words:
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Q: Why is it faster to process a sorted array than an unsorted array?

GManNickGHere is a piece of C++ code that seems very peculiar. For some strange reason, sorting the data miraculously makes the code almost six times faster. #include <algorithm> #include <ctime> #include <iostream> int main() { // Generate data const unsigned arraySize = 32768; int data[arr...

The second highest voted is a lot shorter, but it's acceptable because of the tool itself:
stackoverflow.com/q/927358/6296561 probably should avoid oneboxes now that I come to think of it
 
11:02 PM
Some people can even write extremely long answers to very short questions.
 
Zoe
I personally prefer long answers anywhere, mainly because it helps OP learn something else than "copy-paste this", and it could help someone else with a related problem
Anyways, I'm out. Later o/
 
Is there any way we can help Moderator's ? Please let me know i'll do it what i can
 
Great thanks for help :)
 
11:37 PM
For only 10 cents a day, you can prevent abuse of moderators.
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@CodyGray I still wear my "Free Brad Larson" shirt at least once a week
 
Dang, I wish I had one of those
 

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