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8:00 PM
Is this room got so off-topic? The mentors project, the yes moderator, votes, jquery etc.
 
wha?
this is chat
the room has a topic, but that doesn't mean discussion is expected to strictly stick to that topic
 
@smileycreations15 Yes
 
@StephenKennedy Yes
 
That's agreed then. Next!
 
@KevinB Not strictly, but avoiding off-topic messages is good.
 
8:03 PM
The simple rule in chat is, don't annoy others.
 
I like the irony of you saying the chat here has gone off topic :)
 
@StephenKennedy Next: GET 500 https://chat.stackoverflow.com
@StephenKennedy What next?
 
@DavidG o/ missing your poetry, time for a nomination?
 
@PetterFriberg Ha! You think I'd make a good mod?
 
@DavidG Let me think...
@DavidG I think you can make a good mod. Nominate yourself!
 
8:08 PM
@DavidG Why not? I really have no clue :), you like to handle flags? (I know you are capable)
 
@BhargavRao uh oh lol
 
@PetterFriberg Well perhaps one day, but perhaps I need to work on not getting so irritated by being inane chat message ;)
 
@DavidG concentrate on the poetry.. Nothing can distract you
 
rm -rf /opavote/ /election/
 
One day we will see @David G
Standing beside the Good ol' tree
Putting forth his nomination for all to see
Impressing them with poetry
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8:14 PM
BhargavRao Good poem.
 
my haiku has too many syllables can i still be a mod
 
@SterlingArcher Yes, as long as you win the election and have the required badges and have 3000+ reputation
 
@SterlingArcher nope
:)
 
very conflicting answers
 
@SterlingArcher well yea, it's politics
get used to it
 
8:18 PM
@rlemon Haiku is haiku.. not politics..
 
Some of the haikus are quite good
 
jQuery?!
JQUERY?!?!
@BhargavRao did you like mine?
 
@SterlingArcher git merge conflict
### jQuery
patch1 >>>
v1.3.0
======
v1.6.8
<<< patch2
 
@PetterFriberg that's a terrible haiku
 
@SterlingArcher haven't yet come to yours ... still reading Baum's huuge answers ... then have the other candidate and then yours. :p
 
8:20 PM
@SterlingArcher yes, jQuery, or the $.
 
@rlemon in fact no mod for me :(
 
@PetterFriberg What?
 
@BhargavRao oh wow, nice dedication to the candidates
 
do mods get more downvotes
 
@smileycreations15 jQuery is outdated
 
8:21 PM
Hey, I read everyone's answers.
 
Zoe
@KevinB not necessarily. The meta effect applies though
 
Everytime ;p
 
@PetterFriberg coulda been great, but you ruined it.. RUINED IT!! 😞
 
@BhargavRao mama said reading is for Ben Franklin and the devil
 
@SterlingArcher Is stackoverflow.election.js outdated?
 
8:23 PM
wat
 
@KevinB I would assume so. I stopped editing posts due to constantly being serially downvoted by the OP's.
 
@SterlingArcher instead smoke as Bob?
 
@SterlingArcher Is stackoverflow.election.js outdated? (the stackoverflow moderator election method)
 
@KevinB doesn't know anything about revenge votes /s
 
@rlemon He can't revenge downvote, because he already has downvoted.
 
8:24 PM
@smileycreations15 probably lol
 
@TravisJ look at his questions
 
@Machavity I'd step back towards the door and run if I were you
 
@KevinB is the king of recipient serial votes
 
they've all been destroyed with revenge votes.
 
@SterlingArcher Stackoverflow is outdated because jquery is outdated and stackoverflow uses jquery.
 
8:25 PM
my house is outdated because the walls were built in 2003
 
-33
Q: Mysql replication with UPDATE JOIN on an ignored table

Kevin BI'm doing mysql replication and as a dumbed down example, I have two tables, tableA and tableB. on the slave for replication, tableA is allowed and tableB is ignored. replicate-do-table='dbname.tableA' On the master, this query is being made (i can't make any changes to the master): UPDATE t...

@KevinB you poor soul
 
@rlemon the world is outdated because the world was made billions of years ago.
 
nahh, it's been changed constantly.
 
To many comments asking to improve...
 
continuous deployment
 
8:26 PM
@BhargavRao So you've read "A Treatise on My Moderation of Stack Overflow: a novel by Baum Mit Augen" ?
5
 
@rlemon ok
 
to be fair, oxygen v2 hasn't been released yet
 
@Machavity half way through... Seems interesting till now
No spoilers please!
 
@SterlingArcher 39 downvotes
 
8:28 PM
@StephenKennedy Wait, I didn't join the JS room by mistake again, did I?
 
I would gather that maybe 37 are revenge votes, based on the downvotes to his self-answer
pretty impressive
 
oh hey i was pinged
 
several times
 
@Machavity So you've read "A Treatise on My Moderation of Stack Overflow: a novel by Machavity" ?
 
The JS room has been very tame this past year-or-so :P
 
8:34 PM
StackOverflow + chat = ChatOverflow
 
@SterlingArcher Room 17: Meta Drama free for 311 days :P
 
don't think i've kicked anyone in a while
 
I just entered feel free to to sharpen your skills
 
@SterlingArcher Because everyone left
sorry had to join to say that ;)
the activity chart is also MUCH different
 
@Machavity it's a proud record, unlike this one
user image
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@Loktar also yes
 
8:39 PM
@BhargavRao Hehe very good! I do like the idea of being a mod and replying to all custom tickets with rhyming couplets...
 
@SterlingArcher Hey, Pete had it coming
 
omg lol
 
@Loktar yea, I no longer post 2000 a day
oops
 
mod·â€‹er·â€‹a·â€‹tor = a user with a ♦ or ⬢ next to the name.
 
I... what?
 
8:44 PM
@SterlingArcher I was not going to reply I wrongly replied.
 
@DavidG there's a 100 character limit, so you need to be at your best ;p
 
There's an idea: make CMs have a ⬢ next to their name. Would help identify people like this guy
 
Jarrod is easy to identify. They've got a dev at SE in their profile.
 
@Machavity The ⬢ is reserved for team admins. (or team moderators)
 
I cleaned a Barry Dixon's pool back in college. They must be related
3
 
8:52 PM
The issue is when the employees have no diamonds or anything in their profile.
 
@BhargavRao Yeah, but it's still confusing to wonder "Who is this person with 101 rep and a diamond posting on Meta?"
 
Employees can choose to be anonymous if they want, and I don't blame them.
 
They can be anonymous, that's not an issue... the issue comes when they post "Yeah, this has been taken care of, thanks", and users are like "Uh, who are you?"
 
@BhargavRao Case in point
 
meh
 
8:55 PM
Kasra resigned long back.
 
He never had a diamond, tho
 
@BhargavRao We need empty diamonds ⬨
 
He had.
There's a clear "had diamond once upon a time, now doesn't" on their profile..
 
9:22 PM
how do you nominate someone
 
You don't, people nominate themselves
 
what happens when you don't see anyone you want to vote for
do you just not vote
 
Then you don't vote.
 
You can stage a walk out.
 
@Rick then you star this message ...
 
9:24 PM
However, I see this election as being really strong, there's some very good candidates.
 
You can @Rick roll
 
Or you could wait until nominations are closed and the final candidates list is in
 
@DavidG like who?
 
@Rick So what are you looking for that you don't see in any of the current candidates?
 
I'd rather not influence anyone's choices.
 
9:26 PM
SOCVR will take control after this election is over ... it is part of our master plan ...
 
@rene You're not supposed to talk about the master plan!
 
Zoe
@BhargavRao You don't Rick Roll, Roll Ricks you.
 
I got well and truly Rick rolled yesterday.
 
improving things, moving things forward. leadership, utilizing the talent in these room in a productive way etc. I don't see much of that.
 
Moderators aren't responsible for any of those things.
 
9:28 PM
Those are staff duties
 
I'd love to improve the chat system but even as a moderator that's not possible
 
@Rick There's only so much a moderator can do. SE is a private company and SO is closed source. The rules are set by the company and/or the community.
 
Moderators do chores like cleaning the toilet, taking out trash, wiping the counter tops, and so on ...
 
@SterlingArcher pft. dark theme is 1000% improvements
😉
 
Be the person you want to vote for
 
9:30 PM
@rlemon that's my new platform. Dark theme for everybody
 
@Rick So, have a look again and see who you want your friendly local janitor/constable to be. There are some good people standing.
 
@SterlingArcher a man of my own heart
 
Also remember that just because it isn't mentioned, doesn't mean those qualities don't exist
You can also comment and ask them their views on those things too
But don't ask me
 
if Moderators take out the trash and clean toilet, then that can be automated. Things need to evolve. the world is changing and so are peoples needs.
 
@BhargavRao We found a new recruit for SOBotics
 
9:33 PM
Yes, many of it is automated! stackoverflow.com/help/roomba
 
What kind of fancy toilet do you have???
I want one
 
those Japanese toilets scare me. I don't want my throne to have that much tech
 
Imagine a toilet which helps with enema
 
Zoe
@rlemon dark themes are overrated
 
Would be really helpful in hospitals
 
Zoe
9:34 PM
@Rick you can't automate everything yet
 
@Zoe they are easier on my eyes.
dark and light themes should be offered everywhere
 
and?
 
Y'all need to get on the good chat wagon
 
dark themes are easier on my eyes.
 
9:35 PM
@Rick I think you should definitely ask some questions on the candidates' Q&As.
 
chrome has got on board. most other apps have.
SO needs an official dark theme (this is more a dev thing than a mod thing)
 
please let it be optional :/
 
ohh ofc.
 
New OSX has dark theme too
 
Zoe
If the dark theme becomes mandatory, there's gonna be light theme extensions instead :')
 
9:37 PM
Should have a rainbow color mode
 
right now most sites have forced light themes. some default to light and offer dark
I wish more would offer dark
 
@Rick Improving things, moving things forward, leadership. Utilizing talent though, that isn't a mod's duty, or really the goal of SO. Individuals here, outside of the site, may utilize talent, but that doesn't mean it is done through this platform.
 
themes are wildly inconsistent and suffer from updates
 
@Zoe I was never suggesting dark theme only.
 
9:37 PM
@rlemon It would be nice if there were a light or dark selector somewhere in the profile.
 
3 mins ago, by rlemon
dark and light themes should be offered everywhere
 
User maintained scripts for dark and light themes are kind of a hassle due to the pace of breaking changes introduced during Stack Overflow design updates.
 
I agree.
I use them.. I even host one
 
He agrees.
I use it lol
 
9:39 PM
but for other sites they are terrible
and even mine is dated sometimes
 
I should check for theme updates, i haven't in like a year
 
I made some chrome extensions for it. It is a hassle to maintain it. Some of them aren't up to date.
 
@Zoe Oh, sorry; that was just my way of saying I don't like it. I'd already seen "dark and light themes should be offered everywhere"
 
having options hurts no one
 
how dare you make me choose
 
Zoe
9:41 PM
@StephenKennedy I like some dark themes, but that's limited. I like it on Discord (also because the light theme there is worse than the dark theme in Eclipse xd), but I'm the kinda girl who uses light themes in code editors most of the time
 
you never have to leave the default.
 
it hurts the chronically indecisive
 
Zoe
^
 
just don't even look at the settings if you are that person
 
@Zoe oh my god how can you still see?
 
9:41 PM
why punish yourself.
 
Light color/white background code editors make my eyes bleed
 
Zoe
@SterlingArcher Because my eyes don't turn to stone or something by looking at a bit of brightness ^^"
 
@Zoe I get light themes. I know some people benefit from them (probably most) but there is a decent number of us who prefer or even need dark themes
 
*yet lol
 
That is because the screen is literally shining a light in your face @SterlingArcher
 
9:42 PM
You don't know the power of the dark side
 
too might bright light gives me migraines. I need dark themes. isn't really an option.
 
Need to get farther away, and use a reflection instead :D
 
if a site doesn't offer it, I look for a theme. if that doens't exist, I make one
 
migraines suck :(
 
it's hard enough staring at a nested loop, adding the sun in the background doesn't help lol
 
9:43 PM
@TravisJ mine start with ocular migraines then move into a regular one
so I at least get visual cues it's coming
 
Zoe
@SterlingArcher besides, light themes usually end up using dark colors on a white/bright grey-ish background which gives me enough contrast. There's an awful lot of dark themes with low contrast that end up slightly unreadable
 
but those cues make it impossible to read on a screen
 
@rlemon Dude. Me too. It's awful, I hate the ocular part.
 
yea.
when I was a kid I'd just get the ocular part. it would last like an hour
 
omg! yuck
 
9:44 PM
yea it sucked.
 
I have only been dealing with it for the past few years, one of these helps a lot though
 
still no solution for me besides avoiding bright lights. which is weird because when I do get the migraine light isn't a problem
but it is a trigger
 
Migraines are rare for me, but headaches are exceedingly common for me
 
@TravisJ been happening to me for .. 18? years. since HS
don't remember exactly when, but at least HS
 
9:46 PM
That's rough.
 
anyways. that is a convo for another room. dark themes ++. elections are cool
 
:D
 
Question for candidates: What tool do you think would be the most useful tool in a moderator's day?
 
@SterlingArcher wrong link lol
damn man. and you wanna be a mod?
😉
 
9:49 PM
well update your repo then DANG
 
it is. the readme even links to the new one
 
@BhargavRao Existing or theoretical
 
the old repo is in homage to oliver
 
@BhargavRao can this be a multiple choice question? I'm sure there are tools I don't know about
 
@TravisJ existing ...
@SterlingArcher just amongst the tools you know
 
9:50 PM
The private message feature.
 
^
Being able to PM a user to initiate a dialog is huge
 
(just some side talk in order to get the convo back to topic from dark themes which is a sacrilegious subject)
What do you think the uses of a PM is?
 
Zoe
Private messaging seems like the most useful one aside the tools
 
The page on a PM says "should be used for serious moderation issues only"
What do you feel is a "serious moderation issue"?
(short ans only pls... already tired from reading too much today ... and I ain't Cody :p)
 
It's pretty context based but mostly comments getting out of hand
 
9:53 PM
yeah, that is 1.
 
For example, a moderator making a mistake, and people (admittedly been there) getting heated
 
"uses": Warnings, explanations to and from the user, diffusion, the prevention of having a whole public comment chat about it, etc. "serious": It would essentially be a precursor to either suspending the user or taking action against content they authored.
 
Rebuttle: why is the PM feature limited for serious issues only?
 
There are some 20 standard uses of the PM feature, 15 of which are very rare ...
 
Wouldn't it be better to advertise it's use liberally?
 
Zoe
9:54 PM
@BhargavRao ToS violation, CoC violation, whenever a bunch of R/A comments are posted by one user (/private warnings/soft warnings)
 
Some of the PM uses come with automatic easter eggs.
 
You guys are all in the "welcoming mode" ... think about SO in the broader perspective
Comment moderation is one..
 
Zoe
@BhargavRao Flag abuse
 
Severe account violations, like sock puppets, voting fraud
 
Spam busting, account nuking, etc.
 
9:55 PM
<s>tapes mouth shut</s>
 
Ahh, now we talking
 
We've seen many a sock in the JS room
Ban evading to troll, etc
 
Spam is a serious issue, to be sure. But mostly it has a lot of tooling in place to help prevent it from getting out of hand; given that the actions are taken with the proper tools.
 
Yeah, you guys have the 5 main reasons already ...
Wait, scratch that ... 4 of the main reasons ...
 
We had this one guy persistently change IPs to come in, cause hell, vandalize our answers, and even @rlemon was stalked outside of SO for many months (all by 1 person)
 
9:56 PM
There's one more ...
 
Zoe
Related to suspensions in chat and elsewhere?
 
@SterlingArcher years
 
@SterlingArcher yeah, those are the rare cases, but I'm asking just the general ones.. :)
 
Dark days /somber
 
@Zoe SO in general.
 
9:57 PM
@BhargavRao sorry I'm off track. My last guess would be private discussions between moderators
 
Hey folks. I just realised the voting process begins on my birthday.
 
Nopes ... that's what the private rooms are for ;p
 
Zoe
@SterlingArcher But moderators have private rooms in chat already, there's no need for the PM feature for that
 
Are you turning 30? That's the magic maturity age
 
They have a private room for that
 
9:58 PM
@coldspeed HBD in advance
 
@SterlingArcher tell that to my ear hair :(
 
Thanks @Bhargav :)
 
Now that no one can guess the 5th one ... it's for vandalisms...
Vandalism is another huge issue that SO faces daily
 
I said vandalisms :(
 
@SterlingArcher 24, do I win?
 
9:59 PM
@coldspeed I wish I was 24 again
 
@SterlingArcher Woops, missed that ... then it's 5/5
 
@SterlingArcher hey we're all children at heart!
 
17
Q: I Broke My Promise

Sterling ArcherSo.. I'm having the hardest time learning how to Promise. I'm using bluebird (https://github.com/petkaantonov/bluebird) as suggested to me -- in order to tame my callback hell I've been getting. Example: function login(req,res,con,mysql,P) { var ref = undefined; con.getConnection(function(e...

@BhargavRao well versed in vandalism 😛 (10k/mod can see it)
@coldspeed I'm 27 LOL so not far ahead
 
@SterlingArcher that's how you got your nickname "so called fat and weird shaped head"
:D
 
But I normally don't see a lot of edit vandisms in the review queue (even when I was way more active)
@rlemon that was hilarious lol
 
10:13 PM
Evening everyone! o/
 
@SterlingArcher I'm surprised there's no Benji answer on that
 
@MadaraUchiha hard to top an answer written by the author of the library lol
 
@SterlingArcher True, but Benji's a core bluebird contributor, too
 
10:35 PM
> Whoever told you that you'd magically become more responsible when you turn 30 lied to you. And don't put your hopes up for turning 42. It won't give you all the answers either.
Quintessential Gordon
 
chat.stackoverflow.com & chat.stackexchange.com =
 
10:56 PM
@SterlingArcher I rolled my own version because I really need it dark dark: stackapps.com/q/8053/9011 (the best part is it works for all SE sites)
 
I needed it super dark, so I just turned off the monitor
 
It's great, but it overwrote the chat dark theme xD
 
Step 1: Close your eyes
 
Dark chat... isn't that Lounge C++?
 
#rimshot
 
10:59 PM
No that's dark times
 
So dark++++?
 
dpp
 
oh god don't say that
that stands for diesel power plant for me
 
Does that mean there is also a bdpp?
(bio diesel)
 
lol no an engine is an engine for us, doesn't matter what powers it
 
11:03 PM
powered by Yes
 
@SterlingArcher SpaceX built an engine that runs on cow exhaust
 
Oh god please say it's methane and now cubic cows
 
does it calculate how many cows it takes per time to generate enough fuel
 
> It takes 8.2 cows to get to the moon
 
@Machavity I don't remember banning anyone. What were you referring to there?
 
11:14 PM
@CodyGray It might not have been you (I was guessing since you had done some cleanup around that time). Was referring to this guy (who is apparently suspended again)
 
His profile is, er, interesting!
 
He also took down the link he had to a rant he posted on Quora about SO moderators
 
Oh yeah, that wasn't me. That was someone else taking care of bizness while I was soundly asleep.
Thanks for the link, though. I missed the drama. Lemme go get some popcorn...
 
@CodyGray Well, I appreciate you cleaning the Meta comments up. A lot of them were getting out of hand
 
:)
 
11:52 PM
TFW you spend all day trying to figure out why timers are degrading page response only to figure out it was a bug in chrome's rendering engine
 
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