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01:59
Election chatbot prototype in python
import re

while True:
    s = input("What is your question ?")
    if re.search("(voting|election).*(start|begin|button)",s):
        print("You cannot vote yet, voting will start on Match 11 at 20:00 UTC")
    else:
        print("Well, yes")
@Jean-FrançoisFabre you can basically do this, just import github.com/Manishearth/ChatExchange
I think it will answer 99% of the questions
Or just print this message every 2 hours and auto-star it :)
 
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03:11
I vote for Obama
 
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04:43
o/
05:11
Hi. stackoverflow.com/election/11 (3k rep is needed and 4 specific badges)
Nominations close in 6 days.
^ that too :)
(not sure if that really ever applied to anyone though)
I seem to recall a nomination being removed in the past for that reason
Hm, the only one I recall being removed was because it was trolling everyone. That was, 2? elections ago I think.
I know that the Yes candidate was leading earlier in the polls, but I don't see their nomination.
05:16
@TravisJ That's almost certainly the one I'm thinking of too. Hadn't they been suspended elsewhere on the network?
I updated it to be more of a down arrow instead
aww
It's possible, but I believe the reason it was removed was because in chat they also confirmed it was put there primarily as a ruse, to which the response was "kthxbai".
oh, wait
i'm in the wrong chat
Yup. Now we know.
Back to JS with you!
i'm gonna leave it
05:18
lol, j/k you can put that here, but it is probably not as applicable
It's fine, no one really comes into chat anyway, even for this
@TravisJ Yes
@TravisJ I'm opting for Yes from Australia. Cool avatar, likes C#
The legion of yes.
06:45
d
Wow, that took a real turn...
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Who should I vote for?
Yes.
user3956566
@SapneshNaik who you think would do a good job on the site. Read the chat room, the questionnaire and nominations.
user3956566
@PeterHaddad you withdrew?
06:53
yes
I read what was written here before, I know most people dont even look at the meta posts
I just didnt understand all these downvotes that weren't justified
and all these silly and stupid comments regarding language and other stuff
(im not talking abt the comments regarding the post)
and for the extremely smart candidate that said my nomination was a job application, is coldspeed nomination also a job application? "Hi, my name is coldspeed. I am a 24 y/o grad student at USC, and an incoming full timer at Google."
I don't think it is fair to say that of coldspeed solely because he mentions working at Google as an intern. In some ways, being a Moderator does mean taking on a job, although it is more akin to a janitorial position or community service. Not sure why anyone would call it an actual job application, I don't think that fits.
The expectation for perfection in the questionnaire answers is very high. I firmly believe the downvotes were in reaction to the answers you posted, and had no ulterior motive. Meta can be a brutal place.
There was once a +13/-87 post answering the questionnaire (10k+)
07:14
How to vote?
@Mayur see pinned message. You cant yet.
@Mayur There are three phases, you can vote in the second and third phase, which are in 1 and two weeks (roughly).
got it!
Thanks!
07:35
I think there's a bug: I don't see the vote buttons beside the nominations.
@PeterHaddad you have to retry at next election. First time is just to make mistakes and learn from them. Besides, there are always ****** (censored) who try to destabilize you. Be stronger.
The last nomination (rptwsthi) is also a job application, he wrote his name, age and said that above all I love programming and problem solving.
Peter your nomination looked good. You got -30 at the questionnaire, but at least you filled it in.
08:03
@PeterHaddad I left a comment there ...
That type of comments are fine and valid, it's good you didn't write "Hey are you applying for a job here!" lol
It's pretty easy to judge the candidates from a non-candidate point of view anyway and comment. Some were suspended for commenting. I guess noone messes with the elections.
@PeterHaddad I try to let them conclude for themselves whether they are ready or not. Leaving a comment that goes head-first in will only result in defensive reactions.
08:18
What lots of people miss with the nominations is explaining why they want to be a moderator, what their goals are, and how they think their election will benefit the site.
It sounds harsh, but we don't really care that much about your personal business. It doesn't matter how old you are, or how long you've been programming, or even how good of a programmer you are (but...Dunning-Kruger effect).
I missed the comments that were made about looking like a job application, but I assume that's what they were getting at, albeit expressed rather poorly.
"It doesn't matter how old you are" I'm not sure...
On the other hand, a job application has similar goals. The employer doesn't really care about you personally. They care about what skills you have, and how that will benefit the company.
It doesn't matter, true, but not for all voters.
Eh, as long as you meet the legal requirement for participation on the site, you should be fine. Maturity is a lot more than age.
I've got a valid visa card number if you want to know.
08:20
I had no idea you were 47, @Jean-François. Wouldn't matter a bit to me if you were half that, or double that.
I would mind being 94, actually...
But think of all the free time you'd have to moderate!
Not sure if they have a good internet connection at the old folks home.
@CodyGray I know you don't care. But voters aren't all you.
Anyway, I want to be as transparent as possible here. 1) real name & age 2) no picture of unicorn.
I've considered changing my avatar to a real picture, but then no one would recognize me anymore.
keep the glasses, then.
08:24
It is all blurry to me anyway
flowers have bad vision, true.
Some day, @rene is going to come into focus, and nobody will be ready for that.
Power plant.
Morning all! o/
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08:33
Good to see that we have non-human candidates now as well ...
Ah! I was just about to comment that we don't have enough plants in this candidate pool
Someone has to represent the plants. ;)
> I waited till I turn 30 before nominating as that is the age when you become more responsible, and I'll turn 30 in next 2 month.
So..... you did not wait until you turn 30....
Counting is hard
Off by 2 error?
It also has a pluralization bug ...
08:37
I turn 30 very soon. I wonder if I will become responsible.
I'm 47 and I'm still not fully responsible.
@BaummitAugen what took you so long?
I wanted to sit on top of the list. ;)
Nah, I was busy with some sort of regional holiday.
Ah Germany and beer drinking...
Yeah. Living so close to Cologne, good opportunity to meet friends and have some fun.
Often, old friends from school come back to town.
user3956566
08:58
@BaummitAugen so happy to see you stand. Fingers crossed you are elected. You've always been an asset to the site and great company. Who could not want trees with eyes on the mod team?
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user3956566
here's too many people I'd love to see be elected. Some strong candidates. We cannot lose in this election as a community.
What is this "responsible" you speak of?
Don't ask me, it is not in my book
user3956566
@TravisJ sure can. It's not for the feint hearted
@YvetteColomb Thanks. I'll do my best. :)
user3956566
09:02
@BaummitAugen I enjoyed running with you and sincerely wanted you to be elected also.
user3956566
It's going to be tough, so many great candidates. Which is good for the site, tough on the candidates.
There is always expertsexchange.com
Elections here are always tough, but those who won never failed to deliver so far.
@rene They actually changed their domain to negate the unfortunate word combination they picked
09:05
So even if I lose, I'm sure we'll end up with a great team again.
that was unfortunate for them. That and Stack Overflow
user3956566
I'm not sure how many mods have been elected in the first or even second round of standing for election. We need stats stat :)
I prefer not to know.
@MadaraUchiha I like my sites de-hyphenated ....
user3956566
09:09
it's a case of if first you don't succeed, try, try again
I still recommend them to anyone suffering from gender dysphoria
user3956566
@ErikA huh?
user3956566
that seemed so random lol
Well, if you consider a sex change, it's always best to get an expert
09:26
When can I cast a vote on 2019 Moderator Election?
@zmag look at the first starred post ---->
@JonClements Oh, sorry I was so inattention. Thanks.
09:54
Election mode begins
@BaummitAugen, glad to see that you are running, good luck!
@BhargavRao Thank you!
user3956566
10:26
@smileycreations15 please don't post sub elections on top of the election
user3956566
@zmag you're not the first :)
user3956566
@PeterHaddad I didn't understand that either. I don't regard you as having poor English skills
@YvetteColomb just toxic people who like to belittle others
What can I do about bad comments that need flags in the election?
user3956566
@smileycreations15 ping a mod in here and say which nomination it is under
10:38
@PeterHaddad Well said
10:49
@YvetteColomb @Machavity’s nomination.
user3956566
@smileycreations15 I can't see which comment you have an issue with
@YvetteColomb The comment by Kaiser Keister
user3956566
ok deleted it
@YvetteColomb thanks
user3956566
yw
11:00
@YvetteColomb I see the comment still.I meant you to review the comment starting with Those 37,000
user3956566
yep I'm on it
@YvetteColomb The comment is deleted.
user3956566
yes I know. Please don't continue to ping me unless it's urgent.
so tempting to ping ...
user3956566
11:05
thanks :)
oth I'm urgent ...
user3956566
don't flower man, just don't :) Still waiting for the day you step up for mod election
user3956566
Here.. I'll give you a watering ....
nope
rather have !!/coffee
@rene A cup of coffee ☕️
user3956566
11:10
coffee is not healthy for plants
Coffee kills plants
Ok
Here is a cup of water then
That's untrue! Coffee is a good fertilizer!
If you have a grinder, you can use used coffee grind as a fertilizer for your houseplants.
user3956566
hmm the great coffee electoral plant debate of 2019
Well, I'm a regularly caffeine-fueled tree, and so far, I'm not dead.
11:14
This room is renamed to the great coffee electoral plant debate of 2019 (name idea by YvetteColomb)
user3956566
yeh but you're a tree with eyeballs, so you already have special powers
user3956566
mod gets sacked for chatroom naming abuse
Well, you could immediately run and get elected, no harm done
This room is renamed to the great ☕️ coffee electoral plant debate of 2019 (name idea by YvetteColomb) (with a coffee emoji)
user3956566
wow I wonder if the existing mods would be reelected.
11:17
const reelected = diamondDuplication();. @YvetteColomb The simple answer is: no
user3956566
@smileycreations15 stop pinging me. >:[
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11:47
If I had a vote each time someone asks "when does the election begin", I'd be on top of the list.
:D
Speaking of which, I forgot when it was.
We should have a large banner on top of the election page with No! No vote yet! Only read, comment and nominate!
flashing please.
@Jean-FrançoisFabre reuse this one ....
11:55
my eyes!
It lacks a <marquee>, but otherwise: perfection!
well what happened to the You Cannot Vote yet warning with the flaming logoes?
It got overstarred by Baum nomination :)
needs more stars
I just got up, is Yes still leading the opinion poll?
You can always create a voting ring for stars, immediately gives the new mods something to do
12:01
uh?
Okay. Good luck @BaummitAugen. And voting only starts on 11 march at 20:00 UTC flame flame flame
Haha. =D
After smiley suggestion from yesterday, I suggest that each post ends with voting only starts on 11 march at 20:00 UTC
@Jean-FrançoisFabre What smiley?
it was yesterday suggestion :)
Zoe
Zoe
12:57
Ouch
Ouch what?
@YvetteColomb Thanks for the cleanup. I wasn't sure if it was worth mentioning or not (Cody had temp-banned someone for a comment). And apologies for another ping
suspends mod-candidate for frivolous ping
Zoe
Zoe
13:21
@StephenKennedy the starred message
@rene Hey, you could at least offer us a last ping some last words first ;)
@Zoe "Morning all! /o"? Yeah, that should be deleted
Zoe
Zoe
@StephenKennedy No, this one >.>
@Zoe Yeah, I figured :)
New question for the mod candidates: which angry/annoyed/other smiley would you have used in that case?
Zoe
Zoe
Oh. ^^"
@ErikA None ^^"
13:58
@ErikA (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
extends suspension for mod candidate for 100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 days because of the comment stop pinging me. >:[ by Yvette Colomb
@smileycreations15 Ya know, you really don't need to comment on everything...
@smileycreations15 The irony here is, every time you edit that, it pings me :/
@ErikA My answer to this question : >:[
@Machavity edits comment 100 times for 100 pings
@Machavity edits comment 10000000000000000000000 times for many pings
Zoe
Zoe
Why do I feel like I know where this is going?
@Zoe I think edits comment infinite times for infinite pings will be the result
@Machavity that's Your Common Sense avatar.
ok guys, I know you all love me but no need to serial upvote candidates to death
@Jean-FrançoisFabre Yeah, I know
14:06
Free rep!
But Picard facepalming is still appropriate
Zoe
Zoe
@ErikA ehhh....
Enjoy till it lasts... tomorrow morning that wil be.
Zoe
Zoe
That's just 'til the serial voting script nukes it
@Machavity YCS that just clicked :)
14:08
You could imagine it's all different people that want to vote on you, can't, and just vote on a random post by you instead
You'd probably be wrong though
@Jean-FrançoisFabre I intentionally didn't expand it on Meta because there's no need to make it explicit there. People who know YCS will catch the reference. He was ubiquitous for a while
Read my about text.
@Machavity and it worked because I didn't understand who YCS was.
@ErikA it also happens. But all those votes were done in a 2-minute timespan, on different questions. If I were to be candidate to moderation, I would detect a voting fraud pattern here.
@Machavity we need some new faces... those old school "I bash everyone & everything" trend must stop.
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I agree. And it's sad about YCS because he gave good answers
Well, I honestly sometimes worry about it. Often, I see SQL injection not being addressed at all (in comments or answers) in the tags I follow, and if I'm on mobile I won't bring it up either. Imo that warrants some bashing
YCS's release date is almost up, though
14:19
As I mentioned in my comment, one of my first encounters with cynical people on SO was on an answer (I don't remember which) where I was downvoted for not harping on SQL injection
I think all the top people in have some sort of canned SQL injection answer. It's only been recently that most people stopped using the mysql extension
@Machavity not a top user but i did that too, we even had a comment for that
@Machavity absolutely ridiculous IMO
14:34
IMHO This is the problem see almost every new question is asked by someone who has done no research, and any sane contributor will surely feel frustrated
downvotes on Qs are free, at least
it is not about reputation, it is about time why would one waste once time on cleaning this crap when complete overhaul of system is needed
@NullPoiиteя So, no progress until a perfect solution is found?
I certainly hope Shog9's proposal for soft deletion by tag holders will be implemented, and solve a lot of this
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I would rather make some progress in the meantime and continue striving toward a perfect solution than do nothing until a perfect solution is found, personally
@ErikA agreed 100%
14:47
but for how long? it was a time when PHP room was quite active in cleaning PHP mess but are they still active now? are old users active now? answer is loud and clear (NO), sadly very few persons found this interesting anymore
It was the time when almost every result on google was some question asked on SO, but not anymore
@NullPoiиteя so, because some people get tired is a good reason for you to also stop?
@NullPoiиteя that can hardly be blamed on SO. Google changes their algorithm nearly daily, and there's also the huge growth of the internet and access to it in the past 11 years
i am not being pessimistic but in order to make SO great again there should be strict regulation to ask question
@TylerH i am not blaming on SO,being a member of SO is one of the best things happened to me.
I contributed(cv 3,443, dv 1,856) as much as i could do, time is limited and apart from PC life there are other things to do :)
15:12
@TravisJ well, a user suspended somewhere within the last year can still post a nomination, but they have to make a compelling case to the CM team as to why they should be allowed to run anyway, or the nomination will be deleted without warning
16:06
@NullPoiиteя The PHP room lost interest in cleaning the PHP tag
It's still one of the most active chatrooms on the network, and one with some of the highest quality and level of technical discussion.
There used to be a period where the regulars used the system, but they simply gave up and moved on to more interesting topics.
true folks at php chat room are awesome and i know it as i was once regular there
16:42
They handed it over to SOCVR ... (or we took it)
user3956566
@Machavity not at all - re the ping. And feel free to ping me if you see comments you want cleaned up.
Is this mean I can ping you if there are comments that need cleaning up?
user3956566
@smileycreations15 yes, once. Not 8 times in 5 minutes young Padawan ;)
We have 1.0 votes in election, not 3 or 1
16:58
There's a new candidate
@StephenKennedy 5 7 8 candidates
@StephenKennedy What sigh?
@smileycreations15 I don't need to be told that 7 + 1 = 8, and nor does the room
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Zoe
Zoe
\o
Good luck @SterlingArcher
Hello everyone, not sure that it is the right place to ask it but hope someone can help. I would like to consult about some manner.
My team and I have built a Tool which runs a job (for example a python script) and tracks all the system call, process data and touches. This tool is actually using the Linux "audit" (daemon which tracks the information). For example, we ran a python script which opens some file and writes some string and closes it. So we can track that we touched that file.
By tracking we can create reports like: all the files that we touched during the run, number of touches,
\o
@TTaJTa4 Please ask your question on Stack Overflow. This is chat and this room is for discussing the 2019 moderator election at stackoverflow.com/election/11 .
17:19
Thanks Madara :)
user3956566
21 mins ago, by Stephen Kennedy
@smileycreations15 I don't need to be told that 7 + 1 = 8, and nor does the room
user3956566
This cracked me up
@TTaJTa4 Seems like a better question for Software Recs. (Sounds like a job for a database to me. SQLite is excellent for this sort of thing in my experience.)
user3956566
@JonEricson I'm glad someone noticed that. Wow dropped the ball on that one
@SterlingArcher \o "My name is Sterling Archer of almost 8 years and..." Missing word there perhaps?
17:32
Mmmm probably lol
Or you're our youngest candidate yet
I kind of wish I was 8 years old knowing what I know.
Hello MIT!
Oh right, I'll edit it soon, I'm currently fighting a d3.js bug
Just upgrade to d4.js and call it a day
Goodness, there's actually a d4.js
lol
 
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18:47
have our two clicks brought down the page?
it is not loading for me
19:02
@SterlingArcher Switch to plotly (it uses d3 under the hood), much easier to use imo.
@TravisJ actually, I believe that my coworker tried plotly a while back, but ultimately we ended up having to write our own custom chart components because he couldn't find any libs that were able to use it how we do
Shockingly complex graphing/charting
Did you try easier business requirements?
I don't think the electrical grid will comply with that :(
:D
@SterlingArcher Hm, what type of graph did you end up using?
19:15
We have like 8 different types? Line, bar, multi-line, stacked, differential-stacked, gauge, gauge curved, etc
But since our data comes from a time series db, most libs don't seem to play well with the amount of data and component updates that happen
Plotly should be able to handle that, I have a dashboard with all of those. The documentation can be... interesting though. There is a decent amount of it, but not much documentation for tutorials.
I'll check it out myself, but I'm glad we have a custom lib to an extent -- it helped me go from 0 d3 experience (svgs) to "please stop, I get it"
If it works ;D
I like working with custom svgs
I made a custom set of glowy orb things for a personal side project that was a lot of fun
Oh that's neat, my current feature is being able to wire up the client site via an SVG electrical blueprint. Like "x connects to a, b, c; y connects to a, d, r, etc"
It's really fun to make, but extremely complex. So many conditions
19:44
just use JQuery
You can pair jQuery with plotly/d3
might as well throw ember.js into the stack too
Can you plot free hand circles with d3?
o/ Travis I miss the fun we had in the mentor project
Right? That was a blast really, I wonder if they will ever bring any of that back once the wizard is done
19:49
IIRC, mentorship was a "research study" and not really a SE dev thing. so I don't think they'll bring it back ... I want it back though..
Zoe
Zoe
@PetterFriberg Pff, it's all about Node now.
I doubt it. but with some more structure it could improve SO
i liked the idea of it
just like i like the idea behind the triage queue
fix the problems before they're visible to everone
Zoe
Zoe
I really wonder why that wasn't continued. It could've helped an awful lot, especially for new users who actually have real questions
@PetterFriberg @KevinB What is the Mentors project?
Zoe
Zoe
19:50
(which means looking aside spam and stuff)
I had great fun and I also think I did some good, avoiding dupe helping new users to post a decent question
Zoe
Zoe
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Q: Stack Overflow Mentorship Research Project

Kristina LustigI’m Kristina, the first (and so far, only) User Experience Researcher here at Stack Overflow. As you probably know, on SO we have a bit of a problem with our new user experience. People new to SO (or maybe even new to programming!) come to us to find an answer to a programming issue, and that mea...

Waffle Zoe searched
I think each time someone actually interacted with chat in the Mentor program their question either became on topic or a poorly received question was prevented. The users who just posted anyway sometimes were still able to recoup their losses as well.
@PetterFriberg @Zoe already found it and posted it.
19:53
@smileycreations15 - Yup. That. You can see my FR there to turn it into a queue as well
@TravisJ I loved also that I could avoid some stuff, hence make user never post, since I knew how to search for it
The need for duplicates as sign post, is not really a need anymore
@PetterFriberg Exactly. It was an effective way of preventing the user from posting a lot of questionable questions right at the question interface.
Yeah, agree, except for with new technology. With existing tech though, there is absolutely no reason for there to be a duplicate "reference error: $ is not defined"
@Zoe I understand it as
1. Ask in the chatroom
2. Mentors say how to format posts and ask good questions
3. User asks on the Ask Question page
Is this correct?
Zoe
Zoe
No clue, I don't remember ^^"
@Zoe Ok. It looks like this to me.
19:57
@smileycreations15 Yeah we talked in chat to user (seeing the post), before they posted. Helping them to not post or improve post
@PetterFriberg Thanks
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