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10:00 PM
@Makoto plenty of spare time, mostly spend by others, on your behalf ....
 
@Makoto My original election post(s) all dealt more heavily with the community management aspect or the job, rather than the janitorial.
I'm crap at the janitorial aspects, my flag handling rate is abysmal
But I'm active in chat and talking with people, I'm doing relatively OK in comments and in meta
(Not as much as I'd like, but eh)
 
@MadaraUchiha and all the community management issues seem to handle themselves when the alternative is getting a meteor lobbed at your head :-D
 
Yeah you did kinda disappear there for a while @MadaraUchiha...but that's cool
(Well, disappear from Meta)
 
@Makoto Yeah, I need to put more active focus back on meta again
I used to be much more active both on mso and mse
 
MSE is hard to stay active on IMO - feels kinda inaccessible in some sense in that only a handful of things I want to look at/discuss pertain to the wider network
 
10:03 PM
@Makoto At my peak of activity, MSO was MSE :)
 
Yeah, same :)
 
in an old wizard voice I was there before the great split. The Shogs came, all 9 of them, and divided the land in two.
 
user3956566
@Makoto my interest is piqued, as that's how I view much of what I do on SO. Being a moderator helps that
 
While it's true that the more "janitorial" aspects of modship are there for SO, the community aspects are too.
 
user3956566
the community aspects are just as important
 
10:05 PM
I had 12 answers when I nominated on MSO ... :\
 
user3956566
and you're a fantastic mod! I don't think there's any hard and fast rules on what qualifies us
 
delete votes remaining answers from mods
 
@YvetteColomb Love for horses and an ability to write Haikus seem to be prevalent.
 
welp, that clearly rules me out :-P sorry @YvetteColomb
those darn haikus...
 
@TylerH: No limericks either?
 
10:09 PM
@Makoto I'm actually fond of limericks
 
@TylerH: Then that's a haiku as far as I'm concerned :D
 
@Makoto amazon.com/Limerick-G-Legman/dp/0517139111 is one of my favorite possessions
 
(I feel some sense of pride of being just older than that book)
 
I would've pegged you at least 10 years older than the book, actually
 
When I was younger, I was told that I was 11 going on 40...so that doesn't surprise me :)
 
10:11 PM
but I also thought Jean-Francois Fabre was like 17 until he updated his avatar to an un-filtered version
then I thought he was like 40, but he said 22
so maybe I'm just really bad at guessing folks' ages
 
Does age matter?
 
for what?
 
You do have to be older than 13
That I think is the absolute requirement
 
Yeah, if you're above 150, then it might be a bit hard.
 
You have to be older than 13 to use the internet in America, basically
or did COPPA get struck down?
 
10:13 PM
@TylerH for being a mod/ a decent SOCVR regular.
 
COPPA is very much alive and well
 
If only age was a reliable predictor of maturity...
 
@rene I don't think it matters (though there are typically strong correlations with suitability and age for a certain age range) as much as maturity/intelligence quotient/emotional quotient
 
Zoe
Is it by design that the direct links to comments don't actually focus on the comments?
 
We had mods that were elected when they were 16
So I don't think age is a factor in these matters too much. Maturity is the real metric that matters here.
 
10:14 PM
@Zoe Uh, what? They do. Example?
 
Zoe
Newest one being stackoverflow.com/election/11#comment-96742124 - just sticks at the top of the page. Could of course be script blocking, but I'm pretty sure I disabled most of the breaking ones (and it works fine on main and meta)
If it's [status-no-repro], it's my fault ^^"
 
Oh, comments on election pages are handled completely differently. The design/display is not the same, so it's no surprise links don't work. You can't click on the timedate stamp there and get a link, either.
 
Zoe
oh, I didn't notice that
 
Spoiler alert: Mod tools are different for the election comments, too. Not that any of you would know yet! :-p
 
different or non-existent?
 
user3956566
10:19 PM
@Zoe why do you think you'd be a good moderator?
 
@rene Mostly non-existent... isn't that a difference? Although it looks like we do have the ability to delete comments this year. I think that's new.
 
Is there a way to check your candidate score without actually nominating yourself?

I'm curious as to what mine is.
 
@Script47 just manually tally it up
 
@YvetteColomb why do you think it's appropriate to comment on somebody's nomination like that?
That's not welcoming at all
 
@Script47 you would get 9 points for your rep, plus 1 point for each of the relevant badges you have that are counted in the score
 
user3956566
10:21 PM
@SterlingArcher because of issues that concern me immensely I'm not at liberty to divulge
 
@TylerH I seem overly qualified...
 
Oh but you're sure able to divulge unwelcoming material
And yet can't explain why
Awesome.
 
user3956566
I think she'd not be a good moderator at this stage
 
...
 
Maybe say it in a way that doesn't sound like a personal attack?
Like asking a question of how she's changed
 
user3956566
10:22 PM
Just as I stated I think Machavity would be a good one. How is that different?
 
Could you please expand why, in any way shape or form?

I'm curious.
 
@Script47 Looking at your rep and earned badges, your score to me looks like it would be 25 out of 40
 
Because under the code of conduct it's not a welcoming way to tell somebody
You said you're dissapointed they are running
 
@TylerH told you, over qualified!

Thanks for that.
 
user3956566
@SterlingArcher ok I'll edit that out.
 
10:24 PM
You preach all these ethics and go and post comments like that how are we supposed to respect your judgement as a moderator?
Time and time again.
 
@SterlingArcher The goal of the nomination phase is to decide who would and would not be a good moderator. It is completely fair for someone to express their opinion why someone is not a good candidate. There's nothing "unwelcoming" about that. Participation in elections is a completely optional feature of the site. As long as you aren't violating the Code of Conduct, there is no issue.
 
There was a violation of the code of conduct.
 
You don't think a moderator (even a moderately disliked one) coming in and putting a comment like that out there might not sway people?
 
And that was?
 
@CodyGray I would agree, however the statement:

'@SterlingArcher because of issues that concern me immensely I'm not at liberty to divulge'

seems very dubious.
 
10:26 PM
How is it welcoming to tell somebody that you're disappointed that they are running?
 
Of course it has the potential to sway people. That's what happens during the nomination phase of an election. If we wanted a totally blind election, we'd have a totally blind election with no nomination, community review, Meta posts, comments, etc.
 
Zoe
@YvetteColomb Pretty much for the same reasons I've mentioned in the post - I follow the presented guidelines, stick to the outlined rules, while being efficient. The site is huge, and at 2k flags per day, quantity and quality matters. I might not be the best at reading people, or always seeing stuff right away, but if I make mistakes, I do my best to avoid that in the future.
 
That's not constructive in the slightest
 
Zoe
@YvetteColomb This is bugging me; what do you mean by "at this stage"?
 
I recall one time in the past...we had a user who nominated themselves for moderator. They looked like they had all the credentials they'd need on paper. Then it was revealed that they were a less-than-desirable member of the community themselves which was enough to not only get them to withdraw from being a mod, I think they even left the community.
 
10:27 PM
@Script47 It wasn't the best phrasing on Yvette's part. But, given that she is a moderator, she is bound by confidentiality agreements. There are things we know about users that we are most definitely not at liberty to disclose. Some of those facts cause her to have second thoughts about certain candidates' nominations. She's trying to point that out, without violating any rules. It's a difficult line to walk.
 
To your point @SterlingArcher, knowing about issues with users who want to be moderators is kinda important; we don't want just any ol' person taking this mantle. This is a lot of power and we don't want power to be given out liberally.
 
@Makoto Stack Overflow is basically the reason it is now forbidden to nominate yourself as a mod candidate if you're currently suspended on any site across the network (or have been in the past year). We get a lot of riff-raff.
 
Not seeing that as a bad thing tbh
 
The bad thing isn't the remedy. It's the motivating circumstances.
 
Fair
 
10:29 PM
honestly i'd rather that notion simply be left out. It's unfair to say "This candidate is a bad candidate because of things I as a moderator can see but you can't".
keep that to yourself
 
user3956566
@Zoe I need to see how things settle after some issues. Something we cannot discuss in here. We can open a private room. I also think you're too young on the site and would be the same about anyone like that. The thing is, I was pinged in a chatroom, in terms of somehow being connected to you as a nominee because of my gender and I wanted to draw a clear line in the sand.
 
Well there was nothing rational about what I saw.
 
@CodyGray I could see a non-diamond making the comment and letting it slide. However a moderator coming in and saying "I don't think this person is a fit" or "I like this person" would be considered unfair to an individual. They should be elected based on their individual merit within the community, and not have a red or green mark put on them by a diamond that could potentially change the course of an election.
Especially if you're using super secret information to make that claim.
 
@Trasiva Uh, so you're saying diamond moderators aren't allowed to have opinions about the suitability of candidates? Or just that they aren't allowed to express them? Either way, that doesn't sound fair. Again, as I said before, if we wanted to have totally unbiased elections, we'd go straight to the ballot.
 
user3956566
@SterlingArcher I've done a LOT to help this community. This rhetoric is getting old. Seriously, don't make this election about me. OK?
 
10:31 PM
it's unfair because the candidate can't defend against it. they can't say "Well here's the situation and why i did it", it's left for everyone else to look at it and wonder what they did that is hidden.
 
And I haven't??
 
@CodyGray Surely if the mods can see something untoward on their end then the user should not be allowed to nominate themselves?

In this instance, the user has nominated themselves (which implies that all is fine) and now they have somewhat of a blemish on their record.
 
If the rhetoric is getting old please just think about what you are typing!
 
@CodyGray Fine, but that doesn't mean you can just make claims and then hide behind the information that's confidential. You can't make make a claim and then hide behind an NDA. That's not how that should work.
I could make claims up all day in that case.
 
"Untoward" is rather a matter of opinion. Everyone is free to disagree with Yvette's opinion.
 
10:32 PM
sure, but you're not a mod so they wouldn't carry any weight.
 
@KevinB What a concept, huh?
 
Her opinion is fine, and if the nominee has a bad record, it's ok and I respect that.
I actually agree with her. I just don't agree with how it was said.
 
Samuel Liew has made a change to the feeds posted into this room
 
user3956566
@Trasiva before you throw around accusations of me being an animal abuser Watch what you say. Do you understand? I made a comment to someone about becoming a moderator. I have grave concerns about their suitability. It is based on facts. Don't throw blind punches at people and expect to get away with it.
 
user3956566
@SterlingArcher I agree, I didn't word it well. It's annoying, as the whole thing has been hijacked and it would be good to get it back on track.
 
10:36 PM
Maybe you just need a new candidate to fawn over :P
 
Like me, duh
 
user3956566
@SterlingArcher pft punch in the nose :D
 
@SterlingArcher Just because your mom is the head of the agency doesn't make you special
 
How does the moderation work after elections, do some of the old mods step down?

Does the team just get bigger?

Also, how does stepping down work, is it after a set period of time or when the mod themselves decide?
 
Uh, yes it does. Why do you think I have 2 timeshares and an ocelot?
 
10:38 PM
@Script47 Team gets bigger, mod "service" has no defined time period
Mods step down when they decide to
 
user3956566
@TylerH his mum is what?
 
#TermLimitsForMadara
 
@Script47 Moderators are elected essentially for life. They can step down any time they choose. There may be one or two mods stepping down after this election, but it hasn't been announced yet. So you can assume these folks will just be added to the existing team.
 
@YvetteColomb it's from Archer, the show his username is based on
 
Aaaaaaite.
 
user3956566
10:39 PM
@TylerH ahh haven't seen it
 
@Script47 Interestingly, Tim Post (I think) shared a great question on MSE that, among other things, touched on mod term limits
which I think is a great idea
 
Are we comparing mods to congress? xD
 
@TylerH Eh, I dunno, if things are working fine, I don't see any reasons to shuffle around the team.
 
Drain the queues
 
@Script47 the key phrase there is "if things are working fine"
 
10:40 PM
Narrator: but things were not working fine
 
@Script47 make em go up for re-election then.
 
Things work themselves out pretty well. Moderating a site like Stack Overflow is a huge job, so people tend to get burned out after a few years and will naturally step down.
 
there are some sites that languish because their rather small mod team has created unnecessarily hostile, insular, or otherwise bad environments
SO is a different case due to its scale
 
@CodyGray and are never heard from again?
 
Zoe
@YvetteColomb I'm sorry, but what exactly does gender have to do with any of this?
 
10:41 PM
there's a much bigger (and thus better) pool of candidates to choose from, and also much more stringent vetting
 
Oh jeez
 
@TylerH again, like me.
I got 9th place I'm 2nd round material
 
@SterlingArcher Uh, not what I said. We've had lots of moderators step down from SO over the years.
 
@CodyGray I'm just joking :)
 
They're still active and semi-active users, answering questions and doing community moderation
 
user3956566
10:42 PM
@Zoe nothing. I was pinged in chat about my opinion of a female running for mod with reference to me being female and I didn't like it. I'm simply informing you of this.
 
I know many ex-mods still active
@YvetteColomb well that's silly. It's about who's best for the job, right?
 
Like Bill the Lizard. That guy was is amazing.
 
user3956566
I'm going and getting a coffee. This has been a false start to the day. bbl
 
Okay, sorry. My humor filter seems to be miscalibrated.
 
lol
 
10:43 PM
@TravisJ Indeed
 
@CodyGray in your defense I came in here pretty hot.
 
Zoe
@YvetteColomb oh. ^^"
 
@SterlingArcher don't flatter yourself; I'd give a 6 out of 10 hotness at most
 
Sorry, Barry paid me to say that...
 
10:45 PM
I'm a soft 7 at most. Like a B-
 
user3956566
@Zoe yeh, it's kinda annoying. I'm really not expressing myself well. I'll come back later. \o
 
@YvetteColomb big breath, you got it.
 
user3956566
@SterlingArcher ;) I need a coffee........
 
Rob
10:57 PM
Morning, and good luck to everyone!
 
11:08 PM
@Zoe I've always been watching & reading your answers and your actions on SO posts. To me, you can be a good moderator but, since you're young (No offense) and you're a member on SO only for two years and of course with only 12k reputation, this might sound unfamiliar or not reachable for a while because there might be other choices available for this situation too. However, hope you succeed. ;]
 
@ʍѳђઽ૯ท To be fair, I think Zoe suffers from the same "sub-moderation" curse that other mod candidates suffered from (ArtOfCode comes to mind). They've done a ton of work, but it's just not visible to the broader community
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@Machavity I don't see that as a real problem. The "helpful flags" metric captures a lot of that work, and you can describe the rest of it in your nomination post.
But being a moderator is about more than handling flags behind the scenes.
 
I'm pretty much a lurker and I post every now and then. But why does everyone think because Zoe is young she wouldn't make a good moderator? I thought her answers were well articulated and she sounds responsible enough. Obviously, Machavity is a strong candidate, I just don't understand the age being a problem. I've been on SO for 3 years but I don't have as much reputation as she does. She must be doing something right.
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11:25 PM
@Sailanarmo If you see back to the previous discussion in here, age in human years is a bit of a red herring. The better measure is experience with the site, understanding its history, its culture, the tools that are available to you, what the community wants, etc.
 
Alright, since everyone seems to be thinking it, I'll just get it out of the way.
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Q: Evaluating the risks of allowing teen moderators on the SE network

user774411I have a David vs Goliath case here involving a teen moderator on Stack Overflow. His display name is BoltClock. I'm a low reputation SO user (less than 150 points) who was recently suspended for Voting Irregularities by BoltClock. Eventually the mistake was corrected by another non-teen moderat...

There, now that it was posted, we can move on.
 
haha, I was totally going to post that earlier
 
One question to the electorate (or candidates). Apart from handling flags, what do you think the role of a moderator is?
 
(answer in haiku or gtfo) I'm interested in hearing the answer to that as well
 
@CodyGray I guess I can understand that. However, I never saw age as one of the requirements on being elected. Perhaps that should be an added requirement for the future. You need to have X amount of years on SO and need to be X age to run.
 
11:28 PM
wasn't one of the moderators like 14 when elected?
 
@Sailanarmo It isn't a requirement. There are dozens of things which are very important that aren't requirements.
 
or very young at least
 
user3956566
@MadaraUchiha ah yes @BoltClock no longer a teen mod :)
 
16 was the earliest elected moderator on SO, I think.
Perhaps 14 on another SE site
 
I might be confused. could have been 16
 
11:29 PM
I was 5 when I was elected.
 
user3956566
@rlemon yes I think Ryan was pretty young @CodyGray
 
user3956566
@BhargavRao I was minus 5
 
when you're born on 29th Feb, your age increases once in 4 years.
 
@BhargavRao It does not. That is not how the universe works.
 
user3956566
@BhargavRao serious? for realz
 
user3956566
11:30 PM
I mean is that your birthday, not how it works :p
 
@CodyGray That's what the government wants you to think!
It's a conspiracy
 
user3956566
cue spooky music
 
I'm saddened that you believe in the non-leap-year theory.
 
Yeah, I am just saying in my personal opinion. I am much more comfortable handing Zoe mod powers over the gentleman who has been down voted to oblivion. I will not bring this topic up again. But thank you for clearing up my question.
 
user3956566
@BhargavRao he's always been a fun buster
 
11:31 PM
People born on 29th Feb tend to use March 1st as their birthday. Which, by the way, is the best day for a birthday.
 
user3956566
@Sailanarmo who was downvoted to oblivion?
 
user3956566
@DavidG oh no bias there :p
 
I still sometime fantasize about the 13-month calendar.
 
@YvetteColomb just go to the questionnaire and you will see.
 
user3956566
why?
 
11:33 PM
@YvetteColomb 6 hours earlier for me and I would have been 29th Feb!
 
@YvetteColomb was that "why" directed at me? Or Madara?
 
13 months of 4 weeks each = 364 days. Extra day is "new year's" and belongs to both the old year and the new. Leap years get two "new year's" days
 
user3956566
@Sailanarmo Oh yeh. I prefer @Zoe over him.
 
user3956566
@Sailanarmo I was asking who you were referring to as being downvoted to oblivion :D nothing strange..
 
user3956566
@MadaraUchiha that does sound nice and no rhyme to remember. "30 days has September..."
 
11:35 PM
@MadaraUchiha That's too confusing, I vote the for decimal calendaar
 
@YvetteColomb The advantage is mostly that the dates and weekdays sync
i.e. the 5th of the month will always be a Thursday
Because all months have exactly 28 days
 
user3956566
@MadaraUchiha yeh, that sounds like a utopia.
 
So salaries enter on the same day of the week, holidays never fall on weekends, etc.
 
user3956566
I can hear all birds twittering and the animals singing
 
user3956566
cue Disney music
 
user3956566
11:37 PM
"oh we have a 13 month calendar..."
 
That, moving all humans to counting in base 12, and the utter desolation of timezones, are my 3 biggest "standards dangit!" fantasies.
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Can't we just all accept that time is a four-sided cube?
 
@CodyGray Time is more like a timey wimey... wibbly woobly... stuff.
 
user3956566
> claims to have received death threats from NASA.
 
user3956566
must be real then
 
11:38 PM
And these kinda conversations are exactly what moderators do!
Now folks, you know what Cody meant when he said "more than handling flags behind the scenes"
 
@YvetteColomb You think people would do that? go on the internet and tell lies?
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user3956566
@MadaraUchiha what exactly are you trying to say? Spell it out man
 
@MadaraUchiha That's just because timezones stand in the way of your evil plot
 
user3956566
@BhargavRao we have a fantastic team. Whoever joins us is in for a super time. Honestly, it's awesome
 
@Machavity I wholly and fully sympathize with the female looking stick figure.
Times and dates suck. Timezones suck more.
I still remember when Jon Skeet answered his top voted answer
 
user3956566
11:41 PM
oh no! We should have a mod question that asks if the person has a sense of humour! It's so obvious. It should be the top question!
 
10180
A: Why is subtracting these two times (in 1927) giving a strange result?

Jon SkeetIt's a time zone change on December 31st in Shanghai. See this page for details of 1927 in Shanghai. Basically at midnight at the end of 1927, the clocks went back 5 minutes and 52 seconds. So "1927-12-31 23:54:08" actually happened twice, and it looks like Java is parsing it as the later possib...

And this was the face I made when I read that
 
But hey, people wanted the only humour question on the questionnaire to be deleted ;p
 
user3956566
@BhargavRao hey, I'm anti haikus not humour ;)
 
@CodyGray I can't buy that. He's not the smartest programmer who ever lived
 
user3956566
@Machavity smh
 
11:50 PM
@Machavity Say what you want about him, how many operating systems have you written? :D
 
@MadaraUchiha With divine inspiration, no less. That or meth
 
user3956566
@Machavity the CIA wants you to believe it's 'if' statements.
 
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