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3:00 PM
that's the idea/joke behind the quote
 
@jemiloii oh
 
XD hahaha
 
eksdededeedededeededee.
 
I prefer to be caught watching gay porn rather than the jQuery docs
 
test that
 
3:01 PM
@towc lol you first
 
XD
 
he likes both
 
Probably mixes them like a heathen
 
there are many reasonable scenarios in which you might want to check the jQ docs, even if there's no jQ in your project, and you don't intend to add jQ to it
 
$('datbooty')
 
3:02 PM
s/jQ/gay porn/
 
there are many fewer reasonable scenarios in which you'd watch porn at work, as a techie
 
fewer? what if your a pornhub dev @towc?
 
that is a reasonable scenario
I mean, I assume they don't test with real porn either
but when checking things in production, sure, a small part of a dedicated team might
 
I would
 
Developers of porn websites don't actually watch porn at work.
 
3:04 PM
It would be the best QA
 
They have placeholder stuff.
Source: Don't ask.
 
but what if it was abug
 
@littlepootis source?
they have to add the tags to the video timeline
a.. friend.. told me that now they have tags in the progress bar
 
we need a lorem pizza for porn, so the placeholders can be actual porn things for non-porn related dev
 
gotta register that
 
3:06 PM
@jemiloii A bug that only exists in prod? Boy, that never happens!
 
1 message moved to Trash can
sigh
it was flagged.
 
really
 
Yeah, just delete it.
 
anyway, thanks
 
Looks like we got some puritans in here
Discovering the new world!
The Quakers at least gave us oats, the Puritans, just flags.
 
3:14 PM
Wait I thought it was just a brand name
the quakers really invented oats?
 
@TylerH lol idk if they really did, the marketing just got to me
@ndugger they aren't even in the conversation
that's the issue too
 
Agreed.
 
the are hiding, smiling to themselves thinking "This time Drumpf will surely fail muahahah" - flag
 
That reminds me, I need to find a new shrink. Mine moved to Georgia, pft.
He said his wife had enough winter from this past one. To be fair, it lasted forever and was pretty brutal.
 
 
3:22 PM
Nah the issue is that people here insult new/passing users by calling them 'fragile' etc.; there is a big difference between being fragile or triggered or offended and just simply aware that certain language/topics are inappropriate for this site regardless of how some users may feel
 
@Feeds you suck so bad, go away
 
vue has finally out starred react on github...
 
towc, it's time to celebrate
 
lmao
 
no!!! I don't mind vue and I plan to learn it, but I think React is a better technology
 
3:24 PM
@TylerH what's offensive is entirely subjective. If you are not comfortable with a topic, you are more than welcome to bring it up. In this god awful climate, we've been more than willing to squash conversations for the sake of others. Instead of speaking up, they abuse the flag system.
 
Lol, did you stop agreeing with him midway?
 
I thought he was talking about something else then realized I don't really care about what he's talking about (no offense) lol
seriously, anyone, team React??
 
offense taken, so now I'm going to flag you
Most of us are pro-react in here
 
Have y'all starred react?
@ndugger I apologize that I offended your sensibilities lol
 
like on github? I only star repos that are obscure that I might find useful later. React has enough visibility that I don't need to do that
 
3:27 PM
@ndugger you should just do it to help in the war with Vue
ask not what your framework can do for you, but what you can do for your framework
 
I don't need to help with anything; vue is bad
 
It looks kind of like something between older styles like jQuery and component based frameworks like react. I think that's why people like it, but I don't know enough about it yet to have a very good opinion tbh.
 
It's basically a mix of angular, knockout, and react, but only the bad parts of each.
 
@ndugger problem is they're not abusing the flag system, that's what it is designed for. But calling anonymous users names/insults isn't doing the room any favors in fixing that problem. Call someone fragile or a baby? OK, the trade off for that kind of behavior is: you don't get to be mad when they flag that or some line that has a curse word in it or when a mod comes in and causes problems for you.
It's like bullying a kid in school and getting mad when you get in trouble for it
 
If you're done with your soapbox, I have the perfect discord channel for you discordlist.me/join/420114188354977812
 
3:35 PM
That's a bad analogy.
 
it seems pretty apt to me
 
aww, that invite expired
 
calling people names is bullying. It's usually anonymous here because we never know who the one flagging is but the action is still the same
 
If you have a problem with the conversation, be the change you want to see in it.
 
@ndugger if it's the magical codeland one I'm already there
 
3:37 PM
don't just sit back, cast flags, and not engage
 
No, it was a discord devoted entirely to shrek, apparently
sad it expired
 
if you don't want to be a part of chat, don't be
 
@KevinB I agree, they should speak up. I'm just saying that it's not reasonable for regulars to be all that mad about it happening when those regulars are insulting the people who are doing it
 
where?
 
Nobody was mad
 
3:39 PM
If they were they didn't express such to us
We can't get better if people don't communicate that there's a problem
 
@KevinB nick said "Please stop flagging things that aren't offensive. Seek therapy if you're so fragile that you can't handle casual conversation. "
others regularly call flaggers babies, etc.
 
Prove us wrong
join the conversation
 
@KevinB so your response is you are in support of bullying? cool
 
Right. I followed it up with
> what's offensive is entirely subjective. If you are not comfortable with a topic, you are more than welcome to bring it up. In this god awful climate, we've been more than willing to squash conversations for the sake of others. Instead of speaking up, they abuse the flag system.
 
Is it bullying? I haven't seen any complaints.
I've only seen people claim that other people are unhappy.
who are these other people
why don't they speak for themselves
 
3:42 PM
I am here complaining about the bullying
and I try to suggest to the room seemingly every time I'm in here that insulting flaggers isn't the best way to handle them
 
What is the alternative?
ignoring that they exist?
 
or instead of talking about it would you rather I just flag stuff I think is inappropriate?
@KevinB being mature about it
 
lol
 
The only alternative that has worked so far is not being here
 
If someone flags a post that the room thinks is OK, the appropriate response is never "flaggers are so fragile, go seek therapy"
 
3:44 PM
^
 
@TylerH That's just nick
 
Did you guys see this post? The "People are berated, kicked or otherwise harassed for holding a room's culture to our code of conduct" part
 
Yes
i was rather active in that post
 
@ndugger Calling someone fragile and in need of therapy for flagging an offensive line is not "calling them out on inappropriate behavior", it's flaming
 
They aren't holding the room to any culture though, they just flag without even attempting to shift the conversation
Ew, that post was made by Tim Post
 
3:45 PM
Are we really back on this again? i.imgur.com/8ccuVMG.png
 
Oh, I remember that whole thread now
 
@vaultah That and the blog post is what split this room up
Also people coming in and posting "Did you guys see this post?"
 
:D Okay
 
@ndugger Please don't be so childish.
 
wow
so offensive
 
3:48 PM
much wow
 
very don't
 
why's everyone so mad?
!!friday
 
wait that's not what I wanted lol
 
i mean
it works
 
3:53 PM
@KevinB So should people flag or talk? You said "people should talk about issues they have with the room" but when I do so, you say "who cares, people are going to flag anyway". If you are just going to dismiss concerns out of hand then that only leaves flagging as an option
 
Are you the one flagging things?
 
Because you're being offended on behalf of someone else; that's never ok.
 
thanks for that one ;3 @SomeGuy
 
Are you genuinely offended by what was flagged?
 
People should stop misusing flags.
 
3:54 PM
@TylerH the issue is misusing flags
 
@KevinB No, I am not the one flagging things, nor am I personally offended by most of the stuff I see here, flagged or not. I do however think most of the flagged stuff is inappropriate, and a lot of stuff that goes unflagged is also inappropriate, for this site/room
 
Also, I should be allowed to flag my own message for moderator even if I'm suspended.
 
I'm not going to stop complaining when something utterly ridiculous is flagged
 
@littlepootis If you're only chat suspended you can always flag a random post on main and link to the chat message
 
> flag a random post on main
that's abusing the system, bruh
 
3:55 PM
that's a huge misuse of flags lol
 
yeah, but they offer no better tooling
 
Not really, it's what mods say to do when you can't flag the direct source of what you want to flag
 
That's ridiculous.
 
E.g. if a user is problematic but has no posts, flag a random post for mods and explain/link to the situation
 
The problem here isn't about how to better flag things, it's about not flagging things that aren't offensive and instead speaking up about changing the topic.
And also not being offended on behalf of someone else... tyler, cough
 
3:57 PM
the damage is/was done anyway
look at that user list
I thought I was in the HTML room for a moment
So we can pretend things are still fine, but they aren't and aren't getting better.
the chats becoming a ghost town
 
@littlepootis Well yeah but since you can't flag a user's profile, we are limited with options
 
I've been joining a few discord channels here and there. Eventually I'm going to just leave for good, since stackoverflow has become so cancerous.
 
the more ridiculous stuff is flagged, the more people will just leave forever
some of us liked the chat, so it's annoying and we complain, but after a while that will get old
and then buh bye I guess..
 
do I need to be a RO again?
 
why?
then they win
they've destroyed SO chat
 
4:00 PM
@littlepootis You can mute channel audio
 
they don't want it
they just don't want us to have it
 
lol
 
@KevinB who's they?
 
the government, man
 
Everyone who's so offended by what's said in chat but won't participate
 
4:02 PM
flagged
 
:(
 
the ubiquitous "they"
 
👌
 
@TylerH The rest of the Tylers.
 
@Loktar dang, now I have to go dye my hair
 
4:03 PM
lol whatever @TylerH you're cool
most of the time
I was just joking anyway, deleted because meh.
 
I just raise cane on fridays
 
I had cane's chicken yesterday
over ate, and now I feel bloated
 
@ndugger raising cane's?
 
Remember there are trolls who just hate the JS room too
 
Kendalls not here for us to argue over some arbitrary thing that rlemon thought up
 
4:04 PM
and this is the perfect time for them to have their revenge lol
 
@Shmiddty ye
 
SO empowered trolls so much
 
there are trolls that love the room too
 
@TylerH I'm what?
 
Screw this. I'm taking this to meta.
 
4:04 PM
@KendallFrey a wizard
 
pootis pls i love you
 
@KendallFrey you were greyed out/inactive
 
But I'm just hairy
 
same
 
@TylerH it's called lurking
 
4:05 PM
is it unwelcoming to call me ugly now?
 
I can't keep up with the hip words these days
 
@hilli_micha no, because you really are ugly
 
That whole "we should be welcoming thing" is completely ridiculous. Really what it is is a request for us to put up with ridiculous questions and ridiculous people. Go take a look at the main site. Requests for homework, requests for us to write code, poorly researched questions.

When I first came to SO I was a terrible programmer and didn't know which questions to ask. I was berated for asking the wrong ones...but I think that's just what happens when you mix professionals and beginning hobbyists...especially in a field where recently we've been assaulted with tons of developers who do no
 
don't flag him people, it's literally a joke
 
someone else might be offended for you though
 
4:05 PM
@Allenph tl;dr
 
The way people act on here is a crucible.
@ndugger ^
 
Flags are broken. They need to be fixed.
 
or removed
 
People are broken. They need to be fixed.
 
!!s/x\b//
 
4:06 PM
@Allenph I can't parse that... wat?
 
@Shmiddty A lot of the "offensive" stuff I've seen is people berating people who ask dumb questions.
That's a good way to teach people to ask good questions.
 
That's not offensive. I was also berated when I asked stupid questions when I was starting off.
 
Everyone was.
 
Right
 
As for the other stuff...jokes and such, if you don't want to participate in a public forum, GTFO.
It's a chat room. It's not main.
 
4:08 PM
 
cries
 
> Removed sudo password.
 
user2620028
@Allenph yeah they have put it out pretty clearly before that they want the chat room to be an extension of the main site, they are not very well equipped or culturally prepared to support a forum of people with varying ideologies.
 
@littlepootis why did you just waste your time?
 
4:09 PM
Yes.
 
@HatterisMad I'll stay here until they ban me.
 
oh, you fucker
 
Nothing else better to do.
 
I'm not going to play their stupid SJW game.
 
@littlepootis those are three dots, not an ellipsis
 
4:10 PM
just waiting for one of my messages to get flagged
 
Always think it's ironic that they pretend to be forces of reason and equality while turning around and pushing a narrative that discourages free discussion.
 
hasn't happened yet
 
To be fair, you really don't sling anything in chat.
You just play the voting game lol
How hard can we downvote Kevin :toilet:
 
Do downvotes ever show as a notification on the inbox?
 
@KevinB no
 
4:13 PM
i only ever see notifications of positive change
 
frustratingly the design team intentionally doesn't broadcast negative actions in the notifications list/area
so you're left confused when you get a +8 notification or something
 
It also doesn't broadcast positive actions that didn't result in positive rep
like upvotes past the repcap
i can cast all the meta.se downvotes i want now
 
yeah, that's what is frustrating about hiding the negative rep, it just silently adjustes
 
I've never hit the rep cap
 
i've hit it on 57 different days on SO
and the last 5 days on mse
 
user2620028
4:17 PM
@Allenph you will likely outlast me
 
i'll be here till the room is closed, no reason to leave really
i'm not getting flagged, :shrug:
 
until you get flagged into oblivion
 
Well, unless its so policed that you're not allowed to speak freely.
 
I mean, I get that free speech does not apply on privately run websites, but there's already backlash from not supporting it by some really talented people leaving and choosing to no longer participate
 
Sure. It's their website. But that doesn't meant it's wrong to tell them they're being stupid.
 
4:20 PM
But don't worry guys, there's still tons of jquery questions
 
@ndugger I think that's most of the internet. Questions about jQuery on shared host WordPress blogs.
 
lol
I saw a website blatantly rip off my "youdontneedjquery" repo and put the article behind a paywall, but I just don't care to stop them.
 
The remaining bit is 99.999% porn. And then everything else.
@ndugger Dude sounds like we need to make a tax so that you literally cannot make the decision to let them have your "IP".
We could call it like GPDR or the link tax or something like that.
 
🚽
 
same
 
4:31 PM
@littlepootis ligatures are evol
@Allenph You mean GRPD, obviously
 
I don't get it.
 
👍
 
... GDPR...
 
DPRK
 
General Data Protection Regulations
 
4:36 PM
Oh. I made a typo.
 
ah, Regulation, my bad
 
Democratic People's Republic of Korea
 
are they democratic
 
Not yet
 
are they people?
 
4:38 PM
if it says democratic, obviously that means it's democratic
my lift driver last night didn't know what "mischief" meant
 
did he know how to drive?
 
I got to my destination
 
> GRPD! Open the door!
 
@Shmiddty Could be worse.
I was drunk in one once and I could see the guy doing bumps of cocaine.
 
4:45 PM
they're testing driverless cars in my area
 
And he was running red lights and going like 100 miles an hour.
 
@Shmiddty phoenix?
 
the surface of the sun
 
/tempe/mesa/etc
ah I see
 
The weed is too damn strong in Vegas.
 
4:46 PM
they've been doing Waymo around here very publicly for a couple years now
 
Not what I was looking for. Rofl.
 
they were doing it covertly all the way back in 2009
 
you should probably not smoke the weed in Denver, then
 
they used to do the self-driving Ubers around here too
until one killed that lady
 
she was asking for it
(kidding, sauce?)
 
4:47 PM
Well she definitely was, she kinda jumped out in front of the car
Nonetheless, the computer and sensors were fast enough to have seen her in time and stopped, and they didn't
 
is the video out in the wild?
 
The human inside obviously couldn't have possibly reacted in time
Yeah I don't know if the article I pasted has it, sorry lol
 
I don't see it
 
I very briefly thought that maybe drone-taxis (remote driver) would be a good idea
 
4:51 PM
anyway, a human couldn't have stopped in time, but LIDAR should have caught it
Waymo said in response that their car would've stopped lol
 
I mean, if you're dumb and are walking across what looks like a really busy road in pitch black darkness, what do you expect is going to happen?
 
right. In terms of "asking for it", this was that
 
it seems like there's a lamp post missing
 
@ndugger ouch lol.
 
why is that patch of the road so dark?
 
4:53 PM
yeah there are plenty of black spots like that in the area
you don't generally find people walking across them like that in the middle of the night though lol
 
@forresthopkinsa that's not true
"most" people probably couldn't
 
ehhh yeah there's a lot of disagreement about it
clearly the driver in the car wasn't paying attention anyways
 
@Shmiddty Did that too. Actually was not as potent.
 
that's the first frame that I could see something was in the road
first-ish
 
4:56 PM
right. and there's still barely enough time to stop here
 
I mean, you don't technically have to stop, you just have to avoid the obstacle
 
good point
 
but I wouldn't fault a person for not seeing it
 
exactly
yeah we're on the same page
an alert person could have driven defensively
 
right
 
4:58 PM
but the bottom line is that the lidar has no excuse for not seeing her
which makes this, unfortunately, a software problem
 
I don't know, is there a recording/log of the lidar readings?
 
bu-b-but the unit tests all passed!
 
no, not that I know of @Shmiddty
 
that area seems unnaturally dark
 
part of it is the crappy camera
 

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