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user1596138
4:00 PM
It pays to know your laws.
 
the problem is there are WAY TOO many laws
 
If you're going to wild west dual the guy you're a moron
moron
 
user1596138
Haha true
 
There are way too few laws.
 
you're going to break some law no matter what I imagine
 
4:00 PM
@SterlingArcher they only underpants duel
 
get your stars in . now cause I'm editing it :P
 
user1596138
Laws are not de wey mmkay
 
The fact that there are still court cases is indication that there are too few laws.
 
@rlemon the concept of citizen's arrest is so foreign to me
 
4:01 PM
@Jhawins roses are red, corpses are gray...
 
been reading that, great book
 
Like, the thought I could just detain someone, weird
 
@paul23 unrelated
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum I bet it's not, really.
 
If everything was correctly categorized in a law with punishment also categorized well there would have to be very very few court cases.
 
4:01 PM
@paul23 no, they debate the laws because there are too many
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum that's because your entire country is military trained :P
 
@paul23 your argument just changed
 
if there were fewer, more clear laws, we wouldn't have the drawn out court cases
 
@Luggage no, it really is
 
too few, or too many uncategorized?
 
4:01 PM
@rlemon And what is the meaning of chaining?
 
user1596138
@BenjaminGruenbaum What do you do if someone comes in and breaks your nose in your own home?
 
Like Benji, Madara and Zirak can probably black ops snap our necks like it's nothing
 
@Luggage I think you have an unreasonable expectation - I have never seen someone actually arrested, I saw detainees in the army.
 
> run, hide, scream for the police
 
They're the Zohans
 
user1596138
4:02 PM
You probably beat his ass then call the 5.0 right? Same thing
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum how I'm reading the Canadian laws are that you can like tackle someone who is fleeing the cops, or lock someone in a room while they're stealing from it. you must avoid the use of force, and you have to still comply with all the other laws.
 
@Loktar Too few laws: since you need to have a law for each specific crime: that's the task of the government.
make laws
 
I'm not for or against it, I'm just unfamiliar :D
 
@SurajJain google "chaining methods + javascript"
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum if you witnessed the crime. Lets say you see someone just punch an old lady and you have the opportunity to tackle them, or maybe even they trip, so it's easy to hold them while someone calls the police
 
user1596138
4:02 PM
@BenjaminGruenbaum You've never witnessed an arrest?
 
I pay them some 60% of my income: why do they still have not clear cut laws in place against things like terrorism.
 
@Jhawins probably defend myself and try to scare them away, probably kick their ass, do whatever it takes to get them away
 
@paul23 people in the field and more studied than us agree on the subject that there are way too many laws
 
@Jhawins No, I haven't
 
@Jhawins don't forget that a robber once fell through a skylight, cut his leg on a kitchen knife, sued, and won
 
user1596138
4:02 PM
@BenjaminGruenbaum So if they just leave you're happy with that?
 
@Luggage yeah I'd totally do that
 
user1596138
That's where we differ. Hell no he's not just walking away
 
That's all a citizen's arrest is
 
@Loktar Appeal to authority.
 
@Jhawins if they just leave that's a preferable outcome, if they don't leave I'd do my best to kick their ass
 
4:03 PM
@Luggage not inviting someone over and hog tying them
 
user1596138
@BenjaminGruenbaum They arrest us for all kinds of shit. Driving suspended, climbing a pile of rocks (I did both of those)
 
I'm not scared to admit I would punch somebody straight in the nuts in a fight
 
@rlemon in the south, that's considered polite
 
@SterlingArcher hah same dude
I'd grab anything handy around as well and use it as a weapon, no shame
 
@Jhawins I was never even pulled over, security checkpoints are pretty common though.
 
4:04 PM
except my computer though
 
user1596138
@BenjaminGruenbaum They'll be mad, they'll come back more prepared later. THey are a disfunctional member of society and don't belong with the rest of us. Just some thoughts that come to mind
 
@Loktar why are you ganging up on the same dude? :(
 
The only time I was ever close to arrested was in the army when I didn't salute to our head of navy (which is kind of a big deal) but that was fine.
 
just call the law enforcemnt
 
@KendallFrey I just don't like him too much
 
4:04 PM
@Jhawins yes, but if they left I can call the cops
 
you know they're there for when you are being robbed.
 
user1596138
I think arrest means something different if you about got arrested in a military function.
 
@paul23 really, they're there lol
 
@paul23 do you have an armed security escort?
 
4:05 PM
Why fight when police can do it better?
 
> Assailant knocked unconscious by vigilante schlong
 
because it takes > 5 mins for the police to reach me
 
@Loktar he's in cabinet, dontchaknow?
 
@Jhawins hmm, my wife once ran away from a cop when she was drunk and we were 20 and she jaywalked, but that's about it, jaywalking.
 
user1596138
Ohhhh shit technically I have performed a citizens arrest at McDonalds
 
4:05 PM
@Loktar No that's why you call them... In the UK too I believe the law states that police has to be at any place in the country within 7 minutes right?
 
user1596138
With all my friends a drunk asshole came in throwing shit and picking fights and we tackled him haha took the cops 2min to come and we got our food for free
 
@paul23 lol
 
Oh, actually I talked to police once to complain about a neighbor, and once to complain about a relative of my sister. I was also called to testify once - that wasn't with police though.
 
you go ahead and whimper and call the police instead of defending yourself if that's what you're advocating
 
user1596138
Well not technically. Technically the arresting officer was local PD. But the concept
 
4:06 PM
I will defend myself and call
 
user1596138
@paul23 That one kid stabbed like 23 people in 2 minutes. You think you'll be fine for 7? Haha
 
7 minutes is plenty of time to murder/mess someone up badly... lol
 
user1596138
And security was on site
 
@Loktar Yes, it's because fighting back is a crime if not for self defense. And this I know is true everywhere in the EU.
 
> Guys stahp I called the police
 
user1596138
4:06 PM
@paul23 He is literally talking about self defense.
 
user1596138
> fighting back is a crime if not for self defense
 
@paul23 what ar e you on about now lmao
 
user1596138
Fihgting back is inherently self defense
 
you're changing the subject
 
@Jhawins At a robbery it's not self defense if you go looking for the one robbing you.
 
4:07 PM
Isn't the EU trying to ban knives or something?
 
user1596138
@SterlingArcher Nor is that fighting back
 
I just checked, citizen's arrest is legal in Israel if physical violence is involved, even if you have no proof as long as there is reasonable suspicion - you can only do it for up to 3 hours and can respond with "reasonable physical force", you're not allowed to tie their hands.
 
there are times that it makes more sense to look like a pussy and leave / call the police from a distance, though
 
Then you're actively searching the confrontation.
 
Paul is just trolling.
 
user1596138
4:07 PM
Yep, weak troll is troll
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum Can you tie their feet?
 
Now he's changing it to roaming vigilante gangs are bad mkay
even though that was never the argument
 
@Cereal no, you cannot
 
@Jhawins there can be a point where you're no longer fighting "back".
 
user1596138
@paul23 We have what we call a "duty to retreat" but that's only with lethal force.
 
4:08 PM
@BenjaminGruenbaum can you rig them to a sex swing?
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum How do you restrain someone without restraining their limbs :/
 
@Luggage almost always it makes sense to call the cops and not get involved in an ongoing crime.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum lol
 
3 hours isn't a lot of time
 
4:08 PM
@Cereal I have no idea, you can lock them in a room
 
user1596138
@Shmiddty And at that time it's obviously not self defense. I think it's just a circle now :P
 
@SterlingArcher only if you leave their feet free
 
US people have the right to shoot anyone in their home
 
@Jhawins just pointing out that it's not black and white
 
user1596138
@FlorianMargaine We do not. We have a duty to retreat in Nebraska
 
4:08 PM
@FlorianMargaine in their home pretty sure, but it definitely varies from state to state
 
so really...
 
@SterlingArcher oh quit bragging about your endurance
 
so how do i do this
 
Benjamin of course, and me personally, I'm not* running into any fights / violence, I am running away. I'm a pussy, even if justified :)
 
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4:08 PM
Israeli people have the right to do that in their home if in immediate physical danger (it's a new law after some farmer got attacked and defended themselves)
 
user1596138
In Nebraska if I could have run away and I shot someone, I committed murder
 
@Traitor you're evil
 
@Jhawins Nebraska are pussies, so, yeah
 
you can also be sued by someone who broke into your home and fell down your stairs and broke their own leg heh.
 
inside <body> </body>?
 
user1596138
4:09 PM
I cant defend my property I can only defend life directly
 
@Loktar is that so...
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum I was unaware israel had farms tbh
 
I'm with luggage, benjamin and paul. I'm running away from conflict, not towards it
 
@Luggage I don't think it's being a pussy, the easy thing is to get engaged, I don't walk away because it's easy - it deescalates.
 
@KendallFrey you stay away damnit
 
4:09 PM
@FlorianMargaine i mean... sure, but you aren't guaranteed to not be prosecuted for doing so
 
im using ajax in html to do this @{var csharpVar = List<string>();}
 
I kind of thought israel was more just a city country
 
@SterlingArcher en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shai_Dromi here's the law
 
but creating classes is not working for me
 
@Cereal yeah the argument has totally changed though, I think many would esp if given the oppourtunity
 
4:09 PM
@Traitor JavaScript should be contained or referenced by a script tag.
 
user1596138
I can't even pull my weapon without pulling the trigger in Nebraska.
 
I don't think we differ that much really.
 
> discovering his dog had been poisoned
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum You mean occupied palestine? I'm so annoyed with US & friends calling it Israel.
 
however the argument started as citizens arrest not being "real", then self defense not being a valid option from Paul
 
4:10 PM
I'd john wick them too
 
user1596138
The way the law is written there is no case where you can pull a concealed weapon and not fire without committing brandishing
 
Oof
 
Ty
 
damn, beat me by a second
 
this in ajax is not working: <body> @{public class sams {//code}} </body> @Shmiddty
 
4:10 PM
@Traitor I already answered your question. Try googling if you don't understand
 
although we should've kicked at the "appeal to authority" nonsense
 
@Jhawins you pull, he runs, you shoot the floor
 
that was when he went full troll
 
user1596138
My only real takeaway from this is... If anyone who was confused about all of this owns a gun you best go learn the fuckin law lol
 
@Shmiddty you want me to reference c# code in the script tag?
 
4:11 PM
@KendallFrey title of your sex tape?
 
@paul23 why would you think that's a smart thing to say?
 
@ssube omg
 
user1596138
In other cases. Just run away and hope someone like me is around to help you
 
Please don't do that again, it's flame baiting.
 
i own a glock 23 with .40 to 9mm conversion barrel
 
4:11 PM
@paul23 As someone who's probably spent more time for the betterment of the Palestinian people. I'm sick of outsiders telling me what my country is or isn't. If you want to get engaged in helping the Palestinians how about you get off your ass and volunteer some time?
 
if I saw someone robbing another person I'd just stand back and call the police for sure.. if they started beating a person relentlessly, and it wasn't a group of people doing it I'd probably jump in with some sort of pipe/weapon/something.. but yeah not looking to be any sort of hero under normal circumstances, I just wanna play my games 😉
 
@Jhawins y'know, in 1st world countries, people usually don't have a gun
 
@Traitor a browser can't run c# code without an interpreter.
 
@SterlingArcher enough with the fire fetish
 
4:11 PM
@Jhawins maryland doesn't have shall-issue carry. but we do have a 'castle' law, though
 
Also, you will be kicked, repeatedly for telling me or anyone else their country is illegitimate :D
 
@Shmiddty i use @{} as the interpreter? ajax
 
@FlorianMargaine or freedom of speech protected by a constitution
 
@Traitor and it's not working, right?
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum you're my hero
 
4:12 PM
@Loktar in 1st world countries?
 
/me looks at people in the UK being arrested over tweets and teaching their dogs nazi salutes.
 
Wonderjew powers activate!
 
@Shmiddty nope
 
@FlorianMargaine lots of them have guns. pretty sure france does, too
 
user1596138
@FlorianMargaine No?
 
4:12 PM
@Traitor do you think @{} are magical characters?
 
'clicks stackoverflow.com bookmark' 'finds flaming in chat'
 
@Luggage sure, everyone knows the odd guy who has a gun, but it's clearly not most people.
 
*grabs popcorns
 
Second time I saw an automatic gun was in france. One of the churches had some guards roaming around
 
user1596138
Pretty sure most countries have firearms access at one level or another.
 
4:13 PM
First time was new york
Guns scare the shit out of me, idk
 
@Shmiddty i dont know im fairly new to ajax, what would i google search to get help?
 
@Loktar Did you hear Cali is (or was) considering making sharing false facts on social media illegal?
 
@Traitor don't do that please.
 
@Jhawins yes, I'm not saying otherwise. I'm just saying that even with access, most people don't have a gun.
 
user1596138
@Cereal That is scarier than the guns themselves. (That you are scared of them in that manner)
 
4:13 PM
@Traitor Do you know what ajax stands for? If you don't, google it.
 
If you see somebody being kicked or told not to do something, please don't chime in. Just leave it
 
@paul23 Palestine was occupied by the Jews thousands of years ago - however that's not relevant to anything we were discussing and saying who deserves to leave where doesn't get us closer to solving the actual problem - actually helping the people there does. Even before it was named Palestine by the Romans.
 
@KendallFrey not sure how it would stand up in federal court at all though, but California does lots of things against federal law heh
not surprised
 
user1596138
@FlorianMargaine I think most people here don't have them either.
 
user1596138
I don't carry one.
 
4:14 PM
> fake news is known to the state of california to cause cancer
2
 
who was kicked?
 
@KendallFrey LMAO
 
@Jhawins I mean not even own guns
 
@KendallFrey lol
 
@Traitor that racist paul dude
 
4:14 PM
oh man I forgot all about that...
I almost feel bad for Starbucks heh
 
user1596138
@FlorianMargaine Yeah the majority of us don't
 
user1596138
Only some 30% of AMericans own a firearm
 
I own a gun, but it isn't registered to me
 
@Loktar what happened to starbucks?
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum easy, don't get riled up over it. Let the kick do the talking bud
 
user1596138
4:15 PM
And some 40% live in a household that owns a firearm
 
several actually
 
No use engaging that, never ends well
 
@KendallFrey coffee causes cancer, cali is making them list that fact
 
user1596138
@KevinB You don't have to register any gun I own
 
@KendallFrey Coffee causes cancer in california now
 
4:15 PM
@Jhawins jesus, even the houses can own weapons now? /s
 
@SterlingArcher I'm not annoyed, I'm trying to shame them into doing some actual volunteer work :D
 
user1596138
@KendallFrey House_hold_
 
@KendallFrey yeah I thought that's what your comment was in relation to
 
technically that's true in any state that doesn't forbid it, it's the default
 
@Cereal well good thing I don't live in California :3
 
4:15 PM
Starbucks has to put warnings on their coffee now in California
 
there's some chemical that is present much more after roasting and, if the article I read was right, is well above the cancer-causing level
 
@Loktar "known to the state of california to cause cancer" is basically a meme
 
I volunteered for the republican party for I think John McCain for high school (I had to)
 
so Starbucks had a chance to prove it a) didn't cause cancer, b) wasn't present above that limit, or c) remove it
 
@ssube iirc there were counter studies though weren't there?
 
4:16 PM
I was thinking coffee was preventing bunch of cancers
 
Don't motels cause cancer in california too?
 
now what?
 
all of the guns i own were passed down from my grandfather, so they're either unregistered or are in his name
 
They put me on the phones. I didn't like phone talks, so I didn't call anybody and said I did
 
@Loktar the most recent case was their chance to finance one, but it failed
 
4:16 PM
So I think i'm teh reason McCain lost
 
user1596138
@KevinB where do you live that you have to register jack shit?
 
user1596138
Handguns sure.
 
@Jhawins actually, I'm surprised. France apparently has more citizens with guns than USA (!). Finding how many are guns vs hunting rifles would probably make more sense.
 
user1596138
Nothing else
 
@Jhawins MD required registering 'assault weapons'
 
4:17 PM
the first round of studies confirmed the chemical is not very good for you, so then they got to prove it wasn't present in quantity
they couldn't do that either, so now they have to advertise it as cancer
 
@ssube ah interesting
 
they are treated like handguns, mostly
 
user1596138
@Luggage I dont have any black guns
 
i mean... it does include a handgun
 
lemme find the one I read
 
4:17 PM
@FlorianMargaine Canada has a lot of rifles .. a lot
 
I was just watching a video from a German dude showing it wasn't even that hard to get guns in Germany
 
@FlorianMargaine it's just not about that really. Europe simply has a completely different gun culture than the US. And it's pretty useless to go into arguments about this imo
 
surprised me
 
4:18 PM
@Jhawins my ar-15, beng an h-bar, is exempt. it's a unregulated firearm,
 
In virginia you don't have to register anything except assault rifles
 
user1596138
@Loktar I saw something about that recently too not sure wherew
 
which is kinda stupid arbitrary
 
which is a stupid term but whatever
 
> Starbucks lost the first phase of the trial in which it failed to show the level of acrylamide in coffee was below that which would pose a significant risk of cancer. In the second phase of the trial, defendants failed to prove there was an acceptable “alternative” risk level for the carcinogen, court documents showed.
@Loktar
 
4:18 PM
@Loktar with a license I can buy a rifle from Canadian tire (or used to be able too, haven't looked a while)
 
@Loktar it isn't hard around here. Still there's a big difference on how and where to get one
 
@ssube oh god not alternative risk now too
 
@ssube well I'm getting cancer for sure then
 
4:19 PM
e.g. you won't find guns in a supermarket
 
Lipton likes this.
 
walmart sells guns and groceries
 
yep, we're all fucked
 
@GNi33 the US is large... many places here don't have guns in supermarkets either
 
user1596138
@rlemon Wait what the tire store sells guns?
 
4:19 PM
!!afk soup
 
yeah, I know that
 
@rlemon They sell guns at canadian tire here
 
@SterlingArcher so guns aren't included in the term groceries yet? step up your game murica
 
I'd still be surprised to find even one in Europe
 
Hunting rifles anyway
 
4:19 PM
you have guns in supermarkets?!
 
lol, in supermarkets. that would never happen in Maryland
 
user1596138
@SterlingArcher Not in my states.
 
but I get what you mean @GNi33 just being pedantic
 
@Jhawins it's a hardware store
 
user1596138
Pellet guns only Indiana and Nebraska
 
4:20 PM
IIRC maryland is very very anti-gun
 
we're on the restrictive side, but you can still buy most things that are federally legal
but not at the supermarket
 
Does anybody know anything about traveling with a state registered gun to another state?
Or traveling through?
 
@ssube oh man.
they broke so much with pip 10
 
travelling is always legal, but if ytou stop in the state (like for gas) you need to worry about their laws
 
4:21 PM
they broke everything
 
like they broke from pip import main, which breaks so many libs
 
@SterlingArcher depends on the state..
 
Like if I'm driving to texas but get pulled over in a state that says no guns, are you fucked?
 
don't go through Illinois ! lol
 
maybe. ask a lawyer
 
4:21 PM
a bunch of our data stuff is broken, a few other tools that use pip during cloud-init broke
 
user1596138
@SterlingArcher Lock the gun lock the ammo store it in a compartment unreachable to the driver. That's federal protection
 
Oh absolutely
 
but traveling between states is mostly except.. depends how strict they want to be
 
user1596138
@Loktar Illinois can't do anything to you if you do above ^
 
@ssube anything about debian mirrors? Got some issues there too today.
 
user1596138
4:22 PM
It's federally protected
 
I haven't seen anything, but we don't use them as heavily
 
People in IL are scared of guns
CC was a huge topic a bit ago
 
You can fly with your guns, too, but you have to check them, they can't be carry ons (durp)
 
@jake no shit, have you seen Detroit? lol
 
4:23 PM
@SterlingArcher eh no one is left to carry a gun anymore anyway
RIP Detroit
 
@Luggage what about my emotional support glock
 
user1596138
lmfao
 
I once broke down in Detroit
 
I'd look at the federal laws regarding this
 
did you die
 
user1596138
4:23 PM
@Loktar did I tell you about a building almost falling on us in Gary
 
@SterlingArcher twice
 
if you look where I used to live almost every other house is gone due to being burnt out and then eventually removed
 
user1596138
There are sidestreets that are literally closed because brick buildings fall into them
 
@KendallFrey are the tissues there nice?
 
4:23 PM
dice
o nooo im getting arrested
 
I'm citizens arresting your dice game
 
user1596138
This was March
 
@ssube stfu dad
 
lmao just marry me @KendallFrey we're obviously the same person
Think of the tax benefits
 
@SterlingArcher does that mean if we have sex it's not gay it's just masturbation?
 
4:24 PM
@KendallFrey omg no
 
user1596138
Let's play a game
 
user1596138
Drop the Street View man in Gary Indiana and try not to find rubble
 
those empty spots aren't originally just "green spaces" lol
 
@KendallFrey duh
 
4:25 PM
@Loktar looks like SimCity 4, day 20-25
 
haha
 
when you start knocking down the abandoned buildings
 
LOL the roads are so terrible looking
 
detroit just needs to build some commercial zones. or industrial
 
the area I grew up in was like that, one of the apartment buildings had a chunk that was pretty broken
 
4:26 PM
oh my god it looks like an alcoholics thigh
 
@Luggage downtown is actually doing well
 
that road looks like a veiny ... something
@SterlingArcher ffs man
 
it's kind of crazy, but it's making a comeback, it will never be the city it once was in the 50's I imagine
 
user1596138
 
but hopefully won't be a 3rd world country forever heh
 
user1596138
4:26 PM
LMAO my first drop I found a house buried
 
@KendallFrey I'm telling you man, we could have a great life in an attic somewhere
 
user1596138
That's 5min from white castle
 
@rlemon do you have an attic?
 
@SterlingArcher rlemon is afk: soup
 
@Jhawins Looks like a house you'd find in Fallout
 
user1596138
4:28 PM
@Loktar Right? Dude I wanna buy some condemned property in Gary for like $5K and pretend it's Fallout world
 
user1596138
Nobody would give a shit
 
Honestly I'd love to be able to fire a gun more easily, I can't get a gun even if I really wanted - it's a really complex procedure but I wish there was a way to borrow one for a firing range as a sport.
 
user1596138
Release rabid dogs all over town and it basically is.
 
I'm fine with not hunting but firing as a sport can be fun
 
user1596138
@BenjaminGruenbaum I thought they forced you to have a assault weapon as part of your military reserve program
 
4:29 PM
@BenjaminGruenbaum range shooting is very relaxing
@Jhawins I think that's only for active duty?
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum I imagine your iron dome just takes out any bullet before reaching the target anyway
 
user1596138
Active duty wouldn't be home
 
@Jhawins no that would be risky, I didn't even take my gun home when I was in active duty because it might get stolen - only people who live in very particular areas get to take their gun home.
 
#ripshootingrangesinisrael
 
It's a liability to have to have a gun.
 
user1596138
4:30 PM
@BenjaminGruenbaum You guys don't even trust your active duty military?
 
I'm fine with guns, I just wish people would stop shooting each other
Can we get bullets that stop before they hit other humans
 
@Cereal guns aren't the problem, people are the problem
 
@Cereal they'd just use knives
 
The only problem with guns is that they kill people sometimes
 
@Cereal then the deer will dress up in human suits
 
user1596138
4:30 PM
@Cereal Rubber ones that bounce off
 
UK banned guns and look at stabbing rates
 
and then you'd have all knives banned lol
 
do you really want that?
 
@Jhawins it's not a matter of trust, I was in the Navy - active duty military take their gun home in case they get called to an area which is not their base.
 
@ssube Curses. Another great plan foiled by deer ingenuity
 
4:31 PM
Imagine grandma buying a butter knife set in London now
 
Honestly I don't know if I'd rather be shot or stabbed
 
My gun (whose S.N. I still remember lol) was in my base. For the majority of the service I wasn't with it.
 
@SterlingArcher shot FOR SURE
 
user1596138
I can deer hunt with a bow just as well as my rifle but I still want guns.
 
@SterlingArcher I mean you can probably outrun a guy with a knife
It's a little harder to outrun a bullet
 
user1596138
4:31 PM
You can squirrel hunt too for that matter... But it's kind of just hilarious/cruel
 
user1596138
You can't exactly retrieve hahaha
 
@Loktar there's a slight dependency on bullet caliber, and type. Knife too
@Cereal not the question :P
 
@Jhawins soup
 
shit like that is just... wat
 
user1596138
4:32 PM
@Luggage It's nailed to a tree lol
 
Although I totally think it makes sense most soldiers don't take their service weapon home - I wish there was a way to do so recreationaly like we do paintball
 
@SterlingArcher It's tangentially related >:(
 
> Knife-Control Debate Heats Up in the UK amid London Murder Spike
 
user1596138
Last time we did that the arrow went a full 6 inches into the tree and it's still there to this day at my grandpas
 
I haven't fired in a while though, I used to be a pretty decent shot - but I haven't in a while. Now I fire at the range maybe once a year.
 
4:32 PM
We just need to ban murder
That would solve a lot of problems
 
> We need sensible knife control mates!
 
Like i'd rather get stabbed with a regular, non serrated knife than a .50 call hollow point, but I'd rather got shot with a 9mm than stabbed by one of those gnarly rib breakers
 
> Do you really NEED a butter knife at home? Can't you just use a spoon?
 
I have excellent knife control. I always stab away from my body.
 
> An assault knife consists of a combination of a serration and grip
@Luggage lol
 
4:33 PM
Inb4 bans of automatic knives
 
I heard London murder rates has exceeded NYC
 
it just never ends is my argument really.. like after this will they need sensible rock control?
sensible vehicle control is more likely heh
 
@FlorianMargaine sounds like they might have fixed python
 
Didn't new york pour a lot of money into its police for to do that @SterlingArcher?
 
but now papertrail is down :D
 
4:34 PM
@Loktar self driving cars with pre-approved destinations
don't joke
 
@Luggage oh dude yeah that is for real the future
I talk to my kids about that all the time
 
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@BenjaminGruenbaum lol a typical day shooting for me is just waking up bored af and showing up at my buddies house with bowling pins
 
tell them I imagine they will be in their 60's when it happens
 
@Loktar well yeah, but don't we already? rocks are simpler, the controls are just "don't chuck them at each other"
 
@Loktar of course it won't work, if it worked, and scaled well it would be obvious
 
4:35 PM
but they will tell their grandkids about the days they could manually control vehicles
 
you'll be in your 60s
 
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We can just carefree drive out to the river and blow shit up for an afternoon
 
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There are neighbors and such in sight... Nobody minds. It's murica
 
if you see somebody running around town with a giant chunk of quartz, jabbing people, well...
 
idk I think the gov/society moves a little too slow for that, but you could be right
@ssube LOL
> He's got an assault crystalll!!!
 
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4:35 PM
@Loktar Ill probably end up getting killed in an autonomous police chase when I continue driving my Challenger in 2060 against the law
 
but I am serious that the more complicated the weapon, the more complicated the rules
 
The only downside I see in extreme vetting for guns is that all of a sudden, every gun owner is on a list
 
you don't need as much around the simpler ones
 
I don't want to be on a govt list like that
 
> Your 3d printer has identified an illegal shape. Print aborted.
 
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4:36 PM
@SterlingArcher How? Most gun owners aren't in any database
 
hell, people can print their own cruise missiles now, and controls around drones were getting crazy
 
@SterlingArcher it's like software DRM dude, only the ones who actually follow the rules deal with the BS involved lol
@Jhawins depends on the area for sure
 
@Jhawins in theory, not currently in practice
 
in MI you have to register all handguns, in NY you have to register all guns I believe, NY Times released a list/map of all registered owners
 
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@SterlingArcher No you said if they changed the rules suddenly I'd be in a DB
 
4:37 PM
@Jhawins we're on lists. the lists that were generated when we did NICs checks or other gun purchasing. the ones they aren'tr supposed to keep but we all know they do.
 
But many people want background checks etc, which will make a registry of gun owners
 
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But I want to know how? Since they don't currently know about mine or thousands of other people's weapons
 
wait sorry wasn't NY Times., nytimes.com/2013/01/07/nyregion/…
 
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@Luggage They have it on record that I passed a check. That doesn't mean I continued the purchase
 
@Luggage yep that too
 
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4:37 PM
They would have to aggregate data from private corporations
 
@SterlingArcher would that be so bad?
 
@Jhawins well, they wouldn't, but if such a law came into effect and you're not registered I'm scared that would make it illegal
 
@SterlingArcher background checks already happen
 
@GNi33 No and we already have that.
 
Many people who are gun control advocates seem to not realize these things exist...
media talking points are silly mostly
 
4:38 PM
@GNi33 I mean, it's a pretty wild and out there, but if the government turned on us, gun owners would be easy targets
 
ah, I see. honestly, I don't mind the right for people to have guns. I only think the government should be allowed to restrict certain individuals from owning guns
 
I'm not even against registration. It makes sense that if they dig a gun out of the lake that was used in a crime they could look up the owner the same as a car..
 
@Jhawins lol, that wouldn't fly here, firearms are taken very seriously.
 
Boy do I not like the redesign of bulma.io
 
@GNi33 right, I mean they do actually you have to do a whole call before you can buy any gun
 
4:39 PM
@SterlingArcher they have planes and tanks, we're all easy targets
 
would at least make it harder, I guess, not outright make it impossible, i know
 
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@BenjaminGruenbaum Nothing I said indicates a lack of seriousness
 
@Loktar honestly I'd be fine borrowing guns rather than owning them
 
you fill out a form, they call NICS check a database, ect.
 
@Jhawins I meant "very seriously" as a term, sorry.
 
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4:39 PM
Just a mutual respect among country folks ;P
 
@SterlingArcher I do
 
there's absolutely nothing you could do to defend yourself if the government seriously came after you
 
i mean, not if it's a private trade/sell
 
I could kill myself
 
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Yea I went shopping for 30min waiting on my background check
 
4:40 PM
checkmate obama
 
@ssube true, but even plain guns help if it's a door to door thing. like people hiding rebels in the attic
 
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And had no idea if I could actually buy a gun that day
 
@SterlingArcher he'll pay for your medical bill :P
 
and you get to keep yo doctor!
 
you can't openly fight the government, but you can have small resistances
 
4:40 PM
@Luggage sure, but it'd be a while until the US ends up there
 
I'm ok with background checks, but I'm sorta not ok with national registries
 
that usually happens post-invasion
 
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@Loktar THis is off topic af but. I was having the revelation this weekend that they're as ignorant on tech as they are on guns
 
you don't need personal tanks for controlling the population to get difficult
 
@Luggage yeah, I mean anyone who says it's absurd or insane can explain to me why we lost vietnam and are still in Afghanistan or the middle east haha
 
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4:40 PM
It's the same fucking thing.
 
But wait, what about laws that felons can't have guns?
Oh, they still get guns somehow?
 
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Net nuetrality, the newest FB "scandle"
 
Oh nooooooo what happened that's illegal tho
 
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Just a country of morons.
 
we have tanks, jets, smart bombs.. they have Kalashnikovs and motor oil
 
4:41 PM
oh lord i'm back from lunch and the americans are still ranting about guns
 
it's what we do
 
@Jhawins Canadian Tire is a general hardware / car / outdoors store.
 
@Loktar don't you dare underestimate the power of motor oil and a puckered anus with a gun
 
if I move to the states guns will be my first new hobby
 
they sell a decent amount of hunting stuff.
and fishing.
 
4:41 PM
@Mosho no motorcycles
 
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I consider the mainstream media to be indicative of the average American's mindset unfortunately. Not that they are off in their own ignorant world. We are doomed
 
I already do motorcycles
and it's not a hobby
 
@Jhawins I have to agree. The media on both sides is horrendous
 
I wouldn't consider guns to be the first hobby of even the staunchest supporters in this room
 
same
 
4:42 PM
@Loktar overseas vs local makes a difference
 
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@SterlingArcher And they probably know more than the average american... Unfortunately...
 
@Luggage wdym
 
@ssube yeah the military locally is less likely to kill their own people
 
exactly
 
I mean I think about what I would do if I was ordered to fire on Americans... I wouldn't do it, def not alone obviously
 
4:43 PM
@Mosho I mean that even Jhawins, Loktar and I, the ones that support gun right sthe most, don't consider guns to be one of your main hobbies. Just some thing
 
yeah just fun to rant about online
 
we'll never get to the point where the US army is sweeping the US streets, they'll have dissolved by then
 
computers and anything related is my main hobby for sure
 
I don't know about being a main hobby
 
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I consider survival to be one of my main hobbies
 
4:44 PM
so yes, guns make a difference in a guerilla war, but we won't have that
 
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And that's an ongoing thing. Involving gun ownership.
 
it will be way messier
 
@ssube yeah I agree for sure
man I need to read some fiction about that, it's such an interesting subject to think about
 
@Jhawins Move to Canada where you don't need guns, just long johns
 
it is, just like a nuclear war/winter
 
4:44 PM
but if I go to the only place in the world you can buy a semi-auto rifle in a supermarket
 
figuring out just how much of the earth would be wiped out and who would survive
 
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I love Canada tbh. Fuckin loved it
 
then I'll buy one
 
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I want to go live in the middle of no where and get snowed tf in
 
@Mosho I bet that exists in Canada
 
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4:45 PM
And take care of myself lol
 
@Mosho south africa?
 
@Luggage it doesn't.
 
ohh, just tire shops and tim hortons? :)
 
all your rifles aren't bolt action are they lol
 
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@ssube Isn't that an urban legend
 
4:45 PM
I assume semi automatic rifles have to be in stores too in Canada
 
@Luggage Canadian Tire is just a retro name. they are where I get my hunting and fishing licences
 
@ssube I dunno
 
they sell a surprisingly little amount of tires.
 
@Jhawins what, nuclear winter?
 
@Jhawins sort of. We looked it up here a few weeks ago. We had enough nukes to cause a problem, but never a proper winter.
 
4:46 PM
so it'll be more like Jericho
 
Getting that much dust up before it gets rained back out is hard, tl;dr
 
@Luggage man that was a good show
 
it got convoluted, but yes
 
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@KendallFrey Sort of.
 
yeah for sure, towards the end
the silly spy crap that was going on
 
4:47 PM
There are conflicting maps, FEMA showing nothing anywhere near a winter, and other scientists claiming it would be close
 
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Obviously it's a thing but not in the way it was portrayed for a long time
 
but the route they were going with the republic of Texas was interesting heh
 
yea
 
but the latter could never prove that all the dust would be up at once, for long enough, to drop the temps
 
4:47 PM
When you accidentally use the index instead of the id
 
if there is a nuclear war i will die because I don't have a fallout shelter :(
I want one but I need a different house
 
@BenFortune is it good?
 
if I get a house with > 5 acres I'm totally building one
 
one nuke will ignite the rest of california and THAT will cause nuclear winter
 
it will also be my office.. will be so cool
 
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4:48 PM
@Loktar is fallout the worry in nuclear winter
 
meh, unless you're near a bomb, most of the fallout will fall out pretty soon
 
@BenFortune looks like it actually is episode 0
a season 1 recap
 
@GNi33 this is my 3rd watch through
 
often called episode 0
 
@Jhawins well I mean if one hits Detroit (why would they now though) I'd have to worry about fallout
 
4:48 PM
haha, so I guess it is
 
no, fallout is just a temporary thing (days) after a blast, nuclear winter can change the cimate for years
 
the more energetic stuff decays faster, obvs
 
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Hahaha why would anyone bomb detroit, agreed
 
lol if they hit Detroit it would just look the same though...
 
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> Somebody already hit this place sir
 
4:49 PM
they'll bomb all the major cities, if they bomb any
just as a matter of policy
 
@Mosho let me make my jokes :(
 
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I'm so fucking dead in Omaha.
 
yeah unfortunately, and they prob haven't updated since the 80's
 
not as much as the ND/SD countryside near the silos
 
so nukes are def pointed at Detroit
 
4:49 PM
don't bomb my tiny city in the middle of the mountains, kthx
 
@BenFortune sorry
 
there are some areas that will be hit essentially on a grid
 
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Nukes are hopefully mostly pointed at space
 
#OPP have been called to approximately 1200 collisions during the #OnStorm Roads are still wet and slushy Avoid unnecessary travel #BeSafe #OPPTips
 
those areas already look like grids, so it's convenient
 
4:50 PM
haha touche @Jhawins
 
although they have to wait a few hours between missiles, otherwise the dust will shred the next one
 
@KendallFrey I expected more
tbh
 
now Russia has smart nukes too
 
@Jhawins ground blasts are great for digging out the enemy missiles
 
I have a question - How granular should my UI stores be? (mobx)

I mean, should each page have a store? Each group of pages (like one store for all 4 CRUD operations)?
 
4:50 PM
which are actually kind of cool (the tech, not nukes eff those)... wonder if the US has them as well
 
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I guess the US has those ones that get moved constantly
 
unfortunately, launching missiles are immune to the dust because they're moving so slow
 
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They are horizontal until launch time
 
@rlemon why would there be more than there were in the actual winter months
 
I'm just looking at one of my stores and it has a long list of of observables
 
4:50 PM
@Mosho people like Kendall taking their tires off early.
 
so you can only blow up a few missiles every few hours, meanwhile the enemy is launching them as fast as they can
 
I never put winter tires
 
@Cereal You might have one for a specific object or set of data used by multiple pages, also one per page if the pages each have a lot of logic that isn't shared. It's kinda open..
 
you don't know luxury
 
I don't know shitty driving skills
because I never felt in danger
 
4:51 PM
ohh yes, because that's the reason
lol
 
@rlemon it wasn't early, spring is just late ok
 
spring is trolling at this point
 
There's a lego saturn V and an X-wing in the office today
 
@Luggage Yeah, I wasn't finding a lot of discussion on it online. I've been using a UI store for kind of similar pages, and those UI stores use the data stores
 
@Jhawins I'm not seeing a job in Dubuque.
 
4:52 PM
Oh well, I'm sure I'll realize if it's terrible when I come back to it in 3 months
 
@Cereal we break it up based on API really, well I do anyway
 
@SterlingArcher noooice
 
@KendallFrey apparently 26K people without power in Ontario
 
so like /users/X will have a user store
 
I lean toward page-specific stores and a common API behind them, but some people lean more towards one store per type of object.
 
4:52 PM
/otherthing/x will have an other thing store
 
First job interview went well though.
 
@Loktar I have stores based on the API, but I also have stores for the UI state
 
@rlemon it looked pretty bad south of here :/
 
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@Trasiva The company is named Dubuque
 
And if I had a different store for every page, I'd have a lot of stores
 
4:53 PM
I only had to interact with my family for a couple of hours yesterday
 
heh yea
 
@Cereal I have a store that has references to all other stores that I inject into components, and those other stores are more like store per feature, rather than page
 
@KendallFrey the sugar snow wasn't that bad, once the rain started shit went south
 
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It's gone :shrug:
 
4:53 PM
@SterlingArcher you bought that?
or is that someones in the office?
 
@Jhawins Yea, I wasn't seeing it, lol. I'm originally from Dubuque, so that grabbed my attention.
 
@Loktar my teammate lol
 
that rocket is fucking huge man
 
I'm hoping that the interview I did pans out though.
 
4:54 PM
my son has it, I was surprised
by it's length AND girth if I'm being honest
 
Yeah man it's 'normous
 
They seemed to like me. The only thing they nit picked on was the fact I forgot newlines in my printfs, but that was just to rib me.
 
I don't remember the command module looking like an x-wing, though
 
@KendallFrey I bet you could get a custom fleshlight that looks like that
 
@Luggage thats one of the downloadable mods
 
4:55 PM
He also has the millennium falcon
I'm super jelly
 
@Mosho I could print one, if not
 
@Loktar, have you seen the Endeavor model from Megablocks?
 
@SterlingArcher ok that set is ridiculous
 
That thing weighs 15 lbs easily.
 
no actually @Trasiva
/me looks for it
 
wtf my knuckle just cracked
my knuckles never crack
 
mine always crack
 
like pop rocks
 
go crack or go back
 
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4:56 PM
Trust me. It's worth watching
 
and my neck, back, toes, thumbs, and little knuckles
 
hah crazy @Trasiva being honest I don't even hate Megabloks they've been doing some cool shit
I think their minifigs are superior to Lego as well /heresy
 
@SterlingArcher my knees are the loudest. I can't slut drop, it sounds like gun shots.
 
@Jhawins lol
 
you can't what
 
4:57 PM
@Loktar I have the firetruck, Harley Davidson motorcycle, Porsche, USS KittyHawk, and Endeavor shuttle models.
 
damn nice
I have the Battlecruiser from Starcraft
 
They're massive
They're really cool though
 
unfortunately the entire Starcraft line was never released :(
 
D:
 
@Loktar Same :o
 
4:57 PM
@Cereal dude! That thing took me an entire day to build
 
Yeah they had ads and everything for the rest of the lineup and they just.. never released it
 
was friggin massive
 
@Loktar Right?
I thought it was clever it was actually 2 pieces
 
Omg this is beyond cool @rlemon @KendallFrey @ssube reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/8cmkso/no_said_the_jaeger/…
 
I read some reviews online that said that was a negative though
 
4:58 PM
yeah it was a really cool build overall
made me want a seige tank
 
Have you seen the lega siege tank concept?
 
the one that transforms?
 
I've seen a couple and all are damn amazing
ah yeah man I've seen this, SO COOL
that would take so long to build I bet lol
and be so pricey if it were ever real
 
How do those treads even work
They're at different angles
 

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