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7:00 PM
Take a break for 3 days exactly lol
 
@SterlingArcher yeah a little bland
 
@SterlingArcher did you see the vid of the little asian girl rocking the drums?
 
@rlemon yeah man that was sick
I wish I was a talented 12 year old asian girl
 
you were you were?
 
7:02 PM
FFO
 
(saw this, remembered the convo)
 
something about ham and hamster
 
7:16 PM
those damn beatniks
 
Does anyone happen to want to help me do some Factorio testing today? I could use someone to drive the train...
 
ping me in a couple hours
I can pop into a game for a little
 
@SterlingArcher where is your computar mate
 
wow, just slap his sunburn while you're at it
 
what, is the delivery late or something?
 
7:24 PM
yes
 
rip
 
5 hours ago, by Sterling Archer
Computer delivery changed to Friday :(
 
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Lmao he bought VR but the computer hasn't showed up
 
lol
why was it delayed
 
snow?
he got some upgrades, so they probably had to assemble it
 
7:26 PM
oh, it's a pre-built?
 
yeah, nice dell one
 
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Alienware == nice dell
 
lol
 
it's dell branded, not alienware
 
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I know but still
 
7:26 PM
an XPS
 
it's the actually nice dells, not the alienware markup
 
next time i upgrade i'll need a new mobo, and will want a new video card, essentially an entirely new system... but i'll probably still just order the parts
 
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@Luggage He got a laptop?!
 
i like my case
 
ordering parts and building them is fun
 
7:27 PM
no, XPS tower.
 
yea, if I upgrade right now the only things I have that I can use is my psu and drives
 
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Jk lol
 
once I can get a decent GPU for less than the rest of the pc combined
I will probably upgrade
 
if you guys wanted to upgrade fewer parts, you should do it more often :P
 
i mean, my mobo is really old
 
7:28 PM
desktops move so fast these days, you old men are behind the times
 
my mobo isn't terribly old, but old enough.
5 years ish
 
@Jhawins I mean it's not like the computer isn't coming :P
 
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@SterlingArcher do you have a link to the build? Does it have adequate cooling
 
@SterlingArcher it isn't when you're the one behind the wheel
oburn
 
but at this point my system can run everything I play at max, not much point in upgrading atm
 
7:29 PM
interesting. I've had a Dell XPS 420 and a Lenono T420
 
@Jhawins lemme see if I can find it
 
@KevinB yea, I'm only starting to really consider the upgrade because newer games I have to run at med settings
to get good framerates (like 40+)
 
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I can't find an XPS with a 1070
 
right now the only thing that lags is minecraft
 
but minecraft always lags
 
7:29 PM
@Jhawins it's an upgrade option, iirc
 
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nvm
 
farcry never lagged, but to get a maintainable 40+ fps I had to run it at medium settings in windowed mode
 
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Yea it doesn't force me to see configuration before adding to cart
 
> Keep your cool: A cooling system based on Alienware-inspired thermal design ensures that your desktop stays cool under intensive loads. The 3-heat-pipe system, available with optional k-skus, moves heat efficiently from the CPU and is subjected to rigorous, proprietary testing to make certain all components are kept within their thermal specifications.
 
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@rlemon I run low at 1080 full screen and get stable framelocked 55 on my 860M lol
 
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7:30 PM
Good enough
 
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Farcry 5 I mean
 
deals.dell.com/productdetail/108k @Jhawins upgraded SSD and GPU
 
@Jhawins I'm not even sure windowed vs non windowed makes a difference. I don't change resolution :/
 
@SterlingArcher yeah but you got a sweet deal
 
16gb ram, can upgrade that if I need to (not sure I'll need to)
 
7:31 PM
but on my pc I notice non windowed does make it slower
 
my most recent upgrade was adding a 2TB HHD, before that it was the 970 TI
 
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@rlemon Makes a big difference for me usually tbh
 
nah 16gb will be good for so long
 
@SterlingArcher no need to rush, 16gb is fine for a start, but maybe
 
for at least 5 years
 
7:31 PM
@rlemon has to do with display compositing
 
@Jhawins same resolution?
 
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Yea
 
I usually upgrade ram/cpu/mobo at the same time
 
@ssube okay, I don't know much about it
 
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It depends on the game
 
7:31 PM
@Loktar definitely a dope deal. I can't wait to see the monitor in action, it's edge to edge, super sleek
 
the 970 is doing just fine, so ram/mobo/cpu will be next
 
I need (well, want) a new mobo/cpu. Mine is a Sandylake
 
gut feeling would tell me it would be slower in windowed because it has to do more work
 
whether the game has an exclusive lock on the GPU or whether it passes frames to the desktop render codec
 
but idk.
 
7:32 PM
i play everything windowed
 
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@ssube We're saying we see better perf in windowed
 
can't stand not being able to seamlessly move my mouse over to the other monitor
 
I'm not sure the specifics with games now, win10, etc, just that
@Jhawins yep
 
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Not the other way
 
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> the game has an exclusive lock on the GPU
 
7:32 PM
@ssube which doesn't see intuitive to me.
 
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Implies it would be faster in full screen
 
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I have 2 GPUs
 
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So that doesn't come into play, also
 
my intuition is saying full screen would be faster. but in reality I don't see that.
 
it doesn't mean it will be faster
 
7:33 PM
Full screen is better, but if you're running at a low resolution windowed I mean it will run alright there too. Mostly if it' a 1-1
 
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My desktop is run on integrated graphics
 
it could be, if it used that well
 
like 640x480 is going to run fast in a window regardless
 
but when you're in a window, the desktop takes over a bit
 
but should be faster if you full screen it
 
7:33 PM
that will usually slow it down, but some games/dumb games benefit
 
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@Loktar Ive had games where it's much smoother in windows instead of full screen tho. It's odd
 
@Loktar for whatever reason that isn't always true, or doesn't give me the appearance of being true.
farcry5 (same resolution) was running smoother in windowed vs full screen
 
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Spintires is an immediate example
 
yea, a full-screen 'window' is common, now, and should run fine
 
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But that's on integrated graphics not my gaming laptop
 
7:34 PM
if the game has exclusive access to the GPU, it has more opportunity to do foolish things
 
I play borderless window always anyway
 
where as the desktop sets a low, but consistent, bar
 
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I play on a TV so fullscreen
 
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I still plug the 10ft HDMI into my TV from the laptop on the coffee table
 
@Jhawins do you get any input lag?
 
7:35 PM
somehow Steam streaming works without any "monitors" plugged in
 
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@SterlingArcher Not on MY TV. On other TVs fuck yeah. My friend has one we can't even play on
 
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It's got to be 300+ms input lag
 
Does the tv have gsync or something lol
 
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Like if I flick the mouse it doesn't even start moving until I've finished the motion
 
if you have Guitar Hero, you can measure it
one of the later controllers has a light sensor and does a strobe lag test
 
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7:36 PM
@SterlingArcher No he has a Vizio or some shitty black friday deal TV
 
it's pretty cool, accurate enough
 
@ssube hah nice
 
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My TVs are higher end Samsung and LG ones with game modes and both are flawless IME
 
I always use my SNES + CRT and take video
 
it was for the in-game calibration, I guess they put a mic and a photoresistor in the controller
you have to hold it up until it picks up the first few chirps/flashes, then it goes for a bit and gives you a "ms behind" number
 
7:37 PM
that's cool
better than needing a crt lol
 
@SterlingArcher sorrynotsorry
 
nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/products/big-format-gaming-displays @Jhawins how much do you think this is going to be?
 
I mean you can do it with 2 lcd's as well just need to know what the base displays latency is
 
cc @Loktar
 
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@SterlingArcher I'm gonna get a 120hz ~55" TV in the new house this summer
 
7:38 PM
@SterlingArcher they were released in the UK or pricing announced iirc
 
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> 4K HDR
 
recently was something insane like 3k
 
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Both things I don't need whatsoever. Idk
 
@Loktar jesus fuck that's a lot of guap
 
HDR is great in racing games, omg
 
7:38 PM
@Jhawins yea I got a 4K HDR tv thinking "ohh man this will be so much better" - it is better, but the content isn't there yet
 
I bet the quality is gnarly though
 
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I'm not picky enough to buy an Nvidia TV.... Most TVs are just fine
 
you really only notice it in a few places
 
it makes Injustice look cool, sure, but racing games are so much better
 
@Jhawins yeah the 120hz on TV's is odd thogh
 
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7:39 PM
@rlemon Yea neither is the internet speed.
 
the reflections and clouds and tail lights at night
 
I'm tempted to take friday off, go pick up my package from fedex directly, and spend the day installing shit
 
I wont buy an nvidia display regardless, gsync pisses me off
 
@Jhawins omg.. don't even get me started on that. Prime video, netflix, youtube, etc. all fine. no lag, not waiting mid movie.
 
I can't take it
 
7:39 PM
freesync is such a better alternative and is free
 
@Loktar what's wrong with gsync?
 
google play movies.. 9/10 times they lag out multiple times during playback
 
nvidia should get their heads out of their asses and stop it with the proprietary BS
 
gsync has been falling behind
 
you won't be productive friday anyway
 
7:40 PM
side effect of being a single-company thing
 
@SterlingArcher it's proprietary and in addition adds cost to the monitors
 
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@rlemon It's simply not worth the amount of bandwidth you consume lol. I hope it never becomes a thing
 
adds about $100 give or take according to things I've read
 
oh shit smarter every day plugging jordan peterson
 
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@Loktar Yea my TV has one of those internal 120hz modes, but that's my 32" TV so I never played with it
 
7:41 PM
@Loktar oh so it's a branded tech
like alienware
 
Xbone supports freesync
which is kind of crazy/cool
 
looks cool, but other shit does the same shit for less
 
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At 60hz? Lmao
 
@SterlingArcher yea
 
@SterlingArcher alienware is just dell's kids-with-too-much-money brand
gsync is like apple having their own silly cables and standards
 
7:41 PM
@Jhawins freesync/gsync help with frame variance though
which consoles definitely have a lot of
 
freesync makes the most difference in the 45-55 range, imo
 
so if you're dipping into 20fps and up to 40fps constantly, it makes it crazy smooth
 
when it's almost smooth but just fast enough to tear
 
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@Loktar that article is about TVs that don't actually do 120hz?
 
@ssube well it's dependent on the display too, they have a lower/upper limit where they work
 
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7:42 PM
Aren;t there just legit TVs that do. My Mom has one
 
Oh neat, my curved samsung tv has a Motion Rate 120 (120hz)
that's pretty good
 
yeah, mine maxes out at 100
 
@ssube you gotta admit alienware looks cool
it's like the mustang of computers
 
also it got weird with the VM, my desktop is HDMI so nothing good, the VM is DP and can do freesync if it's fullscreen
PIP breaks that
 
@Jhawins yeah a lot of them use it as a marketing gimmick
like true motion, motion flow, ect.
 
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7:43 PM
I thought that was like 240+
 
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Ah
 
@SterlingArcher lol, maybe, but that's not a selling point :P
 
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> True 120Hz 4k TVs
 
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Yikes no thanks
 
also I've always been a fan of the flat black tower, simple outline type style
 
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7:44 PM
How about just 1080 lmao
 
dell.com/en-us/gaming/alienware-desktops?~ck=mn idk tell me that threadripper doesn't look cool :P
 
to even take advantage of it you need something running at 120 fps
and videos aren't shot at 120fps
that's why it's sort of weird on TV's idk, I don't get it personally but meh
 
@SterlingArcher why can't it just be square?
 
in reality it seems more like a motion blur reduction tech
 
Who wants to be square
 
7:44 PM
what's with the robot giving birth aesthetic
 
Up to Dual AMD Radeon RX Vega 64
 
Reminder - there's a SpaceX launch in just under 3 hours: youtube.com/watch?v=aY-0uBIYYKk
 
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I play with a controller always FYI
 
@SterlingArcher that threadripper doesn't look cool
 
Is that a good GPU?
 
7:45 PM
@rlemon it's clearly my favorite way of human torture
 
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So that's part of me not giving a fuck for input lag
 
I can put a second 64 in my case
and IT'S SQUARE
 
@SterlingArcher its not bad
 
like it ought to be
 
Vega 64 sits between a 1080/1080ti level
 
7:45 PM
@Loktar some movies are shot at 60fps now (thanks, Peter Jackson)
 
I haven't been disappointed yet
 
trades blows with the 1080 mostly
 
except FM7, lol
 
@Loktar weird, I wonder why the area 51 supports dual 1080s but the threadripper hits AMD
Why not throw 2 Titan X in that bitch and play Fallout 4 in 8k VR lol
 
dual anything is a waste nowadays being honest
 
7:46 PM
@SterlingArcher that sentence doesn't english
 
I came from a crossfire system
 
What's the latest greatest chipset? H370?
 
@ssube that's easy proof you aren't towcs father
 
oh my god can you imagine when VR gets into 4k resolution
 
heh, I've been thinking about going to dual GPU
 
7:46 PM
even then (2+ years ago) multi gpu support was waning
 
specifically a second Vega 64
 
when it works I mean it's pretty awesome
but VR doesn't support it yet which is a let down for one
 
@Luggage z370, but anything in that range
 
How come dual GPUs doesn't work?
 
and a lot of games were getting their profiles released up to a month after the game was out
 
7:47 PM
GPUs are very large and don't play together well
it's like a three-way with the motherboard and things get complicated
 
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We barely even have multithreaded games
 
you'd actually get performance degradation if you tried to run crossfire/SLI before profiles were released
 
By design or they just haven't found de wey yet
 
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But you want multi-GPU lol
 
but z370 doesn't have usb 3.1 gen 2 like h370 does (and others)
 
7:47 PM
@SterlingArcher because of how the old graphics APIs were designed
 
I mean multigpu has been around for a while but also in addition you don't get 100% boost
 
So dual GPUs are just waiting for a new era of graphics APIs?
 
@Luggage I don't remember the full scheme. Z is gaming, H is business or biz+
 
nvidia hovers around the 30% perf improvement whereas crossfire is like 50% or a tad more iirc
 
so Z supports faster memory, but not 3.1, or something like that
 
7:48 PM
@Jhawins well I'm not concerned with how much. the google play thing isn't a technical issue that isn't solved either 😛 youtube movies don't lag for me.
 
that's why Nvidia is giving up on SLI
 
@SterlingArcher something like that. If you see Vulkan anywhere, that's the new API
 
granted, it's a 50/50 between the service causing the issues and the tv app they gave me :P
 
Sounds neat
 
you can't even do more than 2 cards with any current gen Nvidias, and some like the 1050ti and 1060 have the ability removed altogether
 
7:49 PM
hm, no usb-c ports? maybe that isn't from the chipset and mothherboards will still have it
 
you can put two cards in the same case and turn them into separate virtual desktops, though, thanks to the magic of virtualization
 
Does the same issue apply to using a GPU as a processor?
 
you mean as a CPU? you mostly can't
 
I guess not since multithreading is huge in things like mining
 
I mean dual gpus have been around almost as long as the 3d accelerator
if they were going to go somewhere, we'd be there
 
7:50 PM
ohh, but a second gpu for mining or physics or anything else, sure
 
Voodoo 2 had SLI (I have a few pairs and they are fucking great)
 
@Luggage not sure where you're looking, but marketing site says mine has 3.1 and C: asus.com/us/Motherboards/ROG-STRIX-Z370-E-GAMING
 
but idk now it's better to just spend all your money on the best single card solution
 
I would have to double check the 3.1, but the C is there
 
7:51 PM
@Loktar is there a definitive future of graphics or is it all in the air right now?
 
was gonna go gigabyte, since i have used them before, unless you can sell me Asus
 
Like the next groundbreaking shit
 
Just thought I'd share a neat little project I spent a couple hours on last weekend. Math expression compiler using a parser generator and functional programming. Took about an hour today reorganizing it into small modules in this gist gist.github.com/patrickroberts/35366b0ffb824e533a3bfb8fb28cad31
 
@SterlingArcher just the same competing standards
DX vs pretty much Opengl (Vulkan)
 
damn you Moore's Law
 
7:51 PM
@SterlingArcher dude sounds like you need more fibre in your diet
 
ah, yeah, it's probably gen1
 
@KendallFrey so basic transport belts sync up to the temp of this song youtube.com/…
 
DX12 is pretty awesome
so is Vulkan
 
@Luggage ASUS and EVGA are comparable mobo-wise, both enthusiast brands with overclocking and cooling options
 
overclocking, meh.
 
7:52 PM
gigabyte is fine, they're a more normal sane-people brand
 
@rlemon oh boy
 
just well supported.
 
The only time I used a second GPU was about 6 years ago when I had a spare 8000 series GeForce that I used to offload some PhysX shit in games that supported it
 
the Z370 E board is nice, tons of room for extra cards
 
ohh.. my current gigabyte board is listed as hackintosh compatible.. maybe i can do that
 
7:53 PM
I half think bob should have kept the half-speed belts
 
@hilli_micha man, physx was a big part of why I refuse to buy nVidia
 
they're so annoying yet... they feel right
 
hah physx what a joke
 
I mean, it was useful as well for multi-monitor set-ups when GPUs were finnicky about anything beyond 2 monitors.
 
but I do want a physx card still..
 
7:53 PM
they bought the PPU card company, then removed all the AMD driver support, compiled it to x87 or their drivers (to intentionally slow it down)
 
they are just pricey af now
 
@Loktar oh, I'd like one of the PPUs
those were cool cards
it just showed how shitty nVidia was
 
@Loktar pimaxvr.com/en/8k/#page1 have you seen this yet?
 
yeah, I just want it for history sake
@SterlingArcher yea
 
what's wrong with physx? can't it run on lots of places? your nvidia gpu or intel integrated gpu, etc?
 
7:54 PM
Linus did a pre review on it, said it's kind of shitty
 
and then a few years later they followed up with the driver "tweaks" that would turn of PhysX if you had AMD drivers installed
 
cool, but shitty
 
so systems with both cards were suddenly shot
 
@Luggage it crippled games
and needs Nvidia hardware
 
I'd like to personally witness Vsync vs no vsync
 
7:54 PM
@Luggage it could before they bought it
 
Yeah, NVIDIA is pretty cut-throat and shady, but I've tried to go AMD/ATI numerous times in the past and just have not had the same level of consistency.. particularly with drivers.
 
ohh
 
man I remember Mirrors Edge.... that pissed me off so much
 
But my monitor is freesync only
 
they built it against the x87 extension, which is a little known and almost unused set of math instructions
 
7:55 PM
I had to turn it off the game was running SO SHITTY and I had no idea why
 
if you had a GeForce, it would run super smooth
if not, the game would run slower with PhysX on than with it off, intentionally :)
 
@hilli_micha in fairness AMD video drivers always get better
 
little known? I remember 387s :)
 
x87 is a floating point-related subset of the x86 architecture instruction set. It originated as an extension of the 8086 instruction set in the form of optional floating point coprocessors that worked in tandem with corresponding x86 CPUs. These microchips had names ending in "87". This was also known as the NPX (Numeric Processor eXtension). Like other extensions to the basic instruction set, x87-instructions are not strictly needed to construct working programs, but provide hardware and microcode implementations of common numerical tasks, allowing these tasks to be performed much faster than...
 
AMD cards age so well
but.. they haven't had a top tier card to knock out Nvidia in so damn long..
 
7:56 PM
they could/should have used AVX
 
Especially now that the Titan is released
 
@Loktar wait what
 
@TylerH well, it looks to be that way anyway
 
@Loktar I've read/heard, but I'm past the age where I would actively change up what I'm familiar with. Now I'm getting to the point, at least for hardware, where once I get something that works, I stick with it. I save my learning efforts for my job.
 
< 1070 can't run sli and they removed the ability to use anymore but 2
 
7:57 PM
@SterlingArcher that's not a consumer card, though. AMD has their own ultra fancy cards.
 
screw SLI. I don't have the money to be buying video cards in bulk
 
Can a PC not upgrade to Titan?
 
I would spring for a Vega 72, though, if it would catch up to the TI
 
I didn't know there was.. industry GPUs?
idk
 
sure. They use the same ports
 
7:58 PM
@SterlingArcher Titan is the worst perf to price ratio card you can get
 
@SterlingArcher there are industry GPUs but you can buy a Titan for yourself if you want
 
and it's generally surpassed by whatever TI is release after
 
very different drivers, different EULA/SLA, different cooling
 
making it such a huge waste of money
 
although recently nVidia changed their driver license so you can't use consumer cards in a datacenter
 
7:58 PM
Titan GPUs are just a way to circlejerk on sub Reddits
 
well that's not 100% accurate, they sold battlefront branded titans
 
Are bitcoin miners still driving video card prices way up?
 
they are also marketed to gamers as well
 
yes, despite bitcoin prices being way down
 

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