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5:00 PM
speaking of lasers and donkeys, Worms WMD is on semi-sale for xbox this week and is pretty fun
 
hi
can we simulate browser tab inactive state using js?
 
@SterlingArcher How's your fire farming going?
 
@ssube st is like 6mb. Vim is 10.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum haven't clicked yet, bjb?
 
5:07 PM
@BenjaminGruenbaum Yea... they don't... What is with that guy...?
 
@rlemon ok? I'm really not worried about an editor smaller than my repo history. :P
 
oh
 
@ssube just thought it was interesting
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum I really want to be able to help the community through moderation :-)
 
5:08 PM
I'm surprised I don't see bjb in the list this year (yet)
 
@rlemon it is surprising that vim is bigger
 
I hope I don't see him ever again :P
 
@Neal you can t moderate if you can't read.
 
@rlemon Dyslexia is hard, but I can do it :-)
 
Just because I have been here for many years and I have the reputation that makes it seem like I know what I am doing and I would make a great moderator, is that reputation isn't everything
 
5:09 PM
Prove it then.
I don't ever wanna see you ask for context that is one message above.
 
@rlemon Ok. How?
 
This guy looks solid
 
@rlemon Sounds like a plan :-)
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum he's 100% a thought leader in philosophical agreements while synergistically raising the bar for stakeholders
 
5:10 PM
@ssube he is?
 
he has nothing but buzzwords in his nomination
 
wait a second.... reputation isn't everything?!!
2
 
Yea.. my original nomination post was waaay over in the amount of character I had to cut it down.
@jAndy Correct.
That is the new "Make Stack Overflow Great Again" slogan @jAndy ;-P
 
@jAndy Right, having a diamond is what it's really about
 
5:12 PM
@OliverSalzburg clap clap.
 
Alright Neal, you got one year then. See you next cycle.
(you can't prove yourself in a week)
 
hmmm?
;-)
 
@ssube he is a professor and he writes answers that are not shit - he has a reasonable amount of points, edits and votes - so he has some things going for him
 
I think I have been pretty good as of late
(here come the @rlemon examples)
 
And you failed.
 
5:15 PM
I'd vote vor Neal
over any random professor
 
I wouldn't. Aside from being bad at the chats he leaves weird passive aggressive comments on people's questions.
 
I'd vote for any random professor
over Neal.
 
Nice guy tho
 
I'd vote for me
 
I wouldn't vote for either.
once they add voting buttons then I might
 
5:16 PM
Cerbut gets a vote tho
 
@rlemon I wrote about that in my Q/A meta.stackoverflow.com/a/337624/561731 #10
 
there are some really bad/angry candidates this round who want to be mod just to wreck things
 
@Loktar :-(
@ssube !
 
and then a whole pile of perfectly reasonable, low key candidates who actually fix things
 
I'd vote for blow job brad
 
5:17 PM
I wont vote for Cerberus either
he is too aggressive on questions
 
@rlemon def
 
I'd vote for @ndugger though ;)
 
All I do on questions is tell OP to not use jQuery
 
that Sergey character is the bjb this time around, trying to pick fights in his nomination comments
 
@ndugger That is a good platform to run on :-)
 
5:19 PM
imagine the day I become Mod... it would be glorious. We would get an entire new player base
 
I don't get why people would want to commit to do manual QA for free if the site gives them a star (ahem, diamond) for it. If you want to contribute I'm all for canonicals, editing things and such. The reviews are a waste imo.
 
@ssube hmmm he also did not answer the Q&A
 
Questions that should be closed but aren't aren't a big deal at all IMO. Questions that should be downvoted but aren't - similarly.
 
@jAndy you would ban everybody
 
We need to learn to ignore the uninteresting bits and focus on quality content. There is nothing wrong with garbage no one sees.
 
5:19 PM
I would allow rep-whoring... what am I saying, I would enforce it!
 
Lemon for Mod!
6
 
hell no
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum because people make bots and bots harm humans and someone's got to police the bots :(
 
Haha
 
5:20 PM
@AwalGarg lol
 
do you get paid as SO mod?
 
user559633
lol
 
Oo
 
@jAndy nope, there are perks though
 
@MadaraUchiha did you atleast get a tshirt?
 
5:21 PM
swag?
 
@AwalGarg I got 2 :)
And a hat
And some stickers.
 
You don't get paid to be a mod, but @MadaraUchiha uses it as a pickup line.
 
if the perk includes new macbooks and stuff I'd considered that as paid :P
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum It works 5/7.
 
I got 3 and a mug and a bunch of stickers and I didn't win any elections.
 
5:21 PM
my stuff got lost in the mail
 
I got that too
 
I have a stackoverflow mug and I am having coffee in it right now
 
:( twice, apparently
 
Although my shirts started to fade :/
@AwalGarg me too, lol - it's my office mug.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum I'm fairly sure that one of those is when you abused my power and had me ask Shog about the swag you deserved for 100k
 
5:22 PM
@AwalGarg how can you have a SO cup you cheat
 
At least one of those.
 
that and my bluebird mug
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum I love it :D
 
earn whore your 100k cup!
 
Anyways, all swag is incomplete without a hoodie. So @MadaraUchiha, did you get a hoodie?
 
5:23 PM
@MadaraUchiha not really, once I just asked when I was like 50k and they sent me one shirt, and then I won one at a "helpful answers" contest (I didn't even know I was nominated) and one for 100k.
 
@AwalGarg No, but I'm fairly sure I can just ask and they'll send one over
(If they still have those, anyway)
 
Probably
 
I didn't get anything on 50k
STAHP
 
HAMMAHTIME!
 
Me neither, I was being helpful to Shog and I asked really nicely
 
5:24 PM
I do know that one other mod has a beer mug, which is no longer available
 
I have a couple SO mugs and shirts.
 
Also, I told them I wouldn't mind paying for swag to support the site - but they just sent it for free.
 
^
 
Still no 100K cup though...
 
I wouldn't mind buying some SO stuff
 
5:24 PM
You can also just get to their offices and get swag
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum They used to have a shop.
 
@Trasiva That would make it lose its exclusive feel though
 
@MadaraUchiha WOW. ASK ONE FOR ME RIGHT NOW!!!
 
I still have my Newgrounds stickers :D
 
I won't be able to get girls with my shirt and hat anymore.
 
5:25 PM
who is actually paying the whole StackExchange network?
Trump?
 
@AwalGarg No.
@jAndy Recruiters
 
@jAndy the jobs site. Why do you think they push it so hard?
 
SO Careers is their main business model.
 
Dec 8 '15 at 16:41, by ndugger
I think what we'd all really like to see is, "ndugger ♦"
 
@MadaraUchiha Well yea, it would. The difference is they could have unique exclusive swag for handing out, and then some generic stuff to sell to the masses.
 
5:25 PM
and ads for low-rep users
 
@ndugger Did you nominate?
 
@MadaraUchiha well that stepped very late in the ring
 
@MadaraUchiha YOU BETTER DO AS I SAY OR I WILL TELL EVERYONE THAT YOU ARE A PHP DEV >:(
 
how did they finance before that?
 
@MadaraUchiha I don't participate in circle jerks
 
5:26 PM
@jAndy money
 
reasons
 
@ndugger♦ for mod 2016
4
 
normal regular old money like you can get anywhere
 
@AwalGarg @MadaraUchiha won't be doing any PHP unless he wants to in the next few years, I assume.
 
@MadaraUchiha Hmmm would be nice if we could nominate others and they can choose to accept the nomination or not.
 
5:26 PM
@BenjaminGruenbaum Wordpress and jQuery.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum He always wants to do PHP
 
@AwalGarg he does? huh
 
@Neal That would be nice.
 
So, I've been really naughty at work lately. I've been upgrading all of our code to IE10 baseline as I write projects...no one's said a word about it yet.
 
gnah who cares about the SO elections, new moderators won't last long when the US election is done anyway.
 
5:27 PM
oh wait @MadaraUchiha aren't you doing Java now btw?
 
> ndugger ♦ for mod 2016
My opponents like to $.circleJerk()
 
@AwalGarg For about 2 more days, yeah.
 
@ndugger That could be your whole nomination. One line.
 
new questions @Neal: You've done little reviewing lately, and have fewer (although still a respectable number of) flags than the other candidates. How would you respond to criticism about this? – Undo♦ 6 mins ago
answer: Punch in the face.
 
@jAndy Hmmm? I responded to that one.
 
5:29 PM
@MadaraUchiha I feel bad for having to use mongodb which we sometimes have to care about from code. Then I remind myself people have to use Java as the programming language itself.
 
oh then I might didn't reload
 
Fuck everything. That is all.
 
I want to run for mod. Just for the kicks. And act like Donald Trump.
 
@littlepootis DO IT
 
@AwalGarg My whole experience with Java can be summed up with "I'm glad I've learned it. I'm glad I'm not going to program in it daily anymore"
 
5:30 PM
Make StackOverflow Great Again
3
 
@AwalGarg what db would you use in free choice
 
@MadaraUchiha you using 7 or 8?
 
@ssube 8 at least, thank god.
 
@littlepootis or you could just vote for me
:P
 
5:30 PM
8 made it usable, IMO, but still not good
 
I did witness the horrors of Java 6 in our codebase though
Oh, by the way, I don't think I've made an official statement yet
 
@jAndy postgres is good. I can bare mysql and rethinkdb too, though. I have used couchdb and it was okayish.
 
@MadaraUchiha mm, allocating new classes for a callback
 
In two days, I'll be leaving my current company, and will be joining @BenjaminGruenbaum and @Mosho in TipRanks soon.
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oh, and sqlite. sqlite is good too.
 
5:31 PM
I really thought the answer would be: depends on the task
 
At which point @MadaraUchiha will not be writing any more php.
Unless he really wants to for some odd reason.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum Amen.
 
@jAndy there are only like 3 good (readas: can run for an hour without crashing) databases
 
@MadaraUchiha Fancy :-)
 
what will @MadaraUchiha write instead in @BenjaminGruenbaum
 
5:32 PM
@jAndy In code. Duh.
 
reasons
and what is TipRanks actually doing :P
I hate to ask Google for anything
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum You must force @MadaraUchiha to use TS or something. This blasphemer doesn't like static typing...
 
@jAndy that's very hard to tell here - probably mostly JavaScript, although our dev team is also writing in a lot of other things now (C#, Scala and Python for backends, Elm, TypeScript and Babeled JS for frontends, other stuff when needed).
 
@AwalGarg I've actually given TS a small swing, and it's pretty nice indeed.
 
@MadaraUchiha \o/
 
5:33 PM
ew
 
@AwalGarg TS is just chock full of static typing
 
I don't dislike static typing, only when it's obnoxious
 
@MadaraUchiha that's because TS is contractual/shape typing, which is actually good
 
!!urban chock
wat
 
I don't like it in JS; it just feels so forced, especially the ridiculous amount of interfaces you have to write.
 
5:34 PM
Please refrain from flagging the bot
 
@ssube what do you mean?
 
if you're writing a ton of interfaces, your code is set up wrong
you should very rarely need to explicitly declare intermediate types
 
@ndugger in our code, it's autogenerated (all the interfaces) so we get all the types for free and don't write very many types in practice.
 
The main problem I have with it are that most libraries are not written in TS
And integration is not ideal.
 
@AwalGarg it's a completely different kind of typing
 
5:35 PM
Especially with the more badly behaving libraries
 
@MadaraUchiha definitely typed has typedefs for most. which ones are you missing?
 
@MadaraUchiha yeah, that's true in some cases and can be annoying - with Elm it's even worse.
 
@ssube you mean it is a bolted type system, basically, right?
 
the only way TS is "static" is the type are evaluated only at compile time
 
I'd suggest to ask the Crock about static typing
 
5:35 PM
@AwalGarg the opposite
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum That would make me hate it less
 
TS is a good type system because it doesn't operate in the usual static way, it actually works with the language to describe and guarantee minimal shapes
 
@ssube The fact that it works with the language has many downsides too. For instance, tuples are declared with arrays, but [1, 'foo'] gets the type <number | string>[], when you probably meant [number, foo] tuple.
 
you can use it like a classic C/Java type system and lose all the interference and power of it
@AwalGarg that's a choice you can make
and that's exactly the benefits I'm talking about. It takes a more generic, less 1:1 view of types.
 
Also, TS treats arrays as objects, so [null] is compatible with interface P { [x: string]: any }...
 
5:38 PM
arrays have stupid indexers
so, yeah, that's good and intentional
you can't describe JS' array in any meaningful way, it's a terrible mashup of different types
 
why, it's just an object
with a little bit of magic
 
a little bit?
 
@ssube how is that good?
 
@ndugger you write very few types.
 
arrays are entirely magic
 
5:40 PM
are they?
 
they're part array, part vector, part sparse, part object, and all bad
 
@ssube part queue, part stack, part ...
 
that's why they've been introducing stronger collection types that actually work well
 
@ssube Right, and that's not good. But TS' main goal is to go along with JavaScript instead of against it, so it it very much intentional and does make sense according to their goals. But I am saying that it has downsides.
 
however, it plays out as object with indexed keys and a lengths property which keeps up
 
5:41 PM
@jAndy which does not keep up
the length only works if you play nice with their helpers
 
*if you use the functions on the prototype
yea
 
you can trivially break an array and have it start lying about size, values, anything
in other words, you can never guarantee what you're getting is a valid array, even if it is an array
it's understandable back when they had no other collection type, but more of a problem now than anything else
 
@ssube Yea... duck typing... yay!
 
I'm not sure what you're worried about? Data integrity? Bad style?
just freeze your array-like object then
or use typed Arrays
 
@jAndy if you want one specific problem: length may be a lie
why can the same collection be resizeable but linear but potentially sparse?
 
5:44 PM
mhhh can you screw up a frozen JS array? can you even manipulate it with prototype methods?
 
@jAndy It is mostly not an issue, until you take host objects and libraries into account. For example, alert in old browsers was not a function but behaved like a function. These oddities turn supposedly FUD into real problems.
So while you won't do stupid things, others will. And you gotta play with them.
 
@jAndy you can't, but because VM1811:1 Uncaught TypeError: Can't add property 3, object is not extensible(…)
@AwalGarg alert wasn't a function, eh?
if something behaves like a function, in what way is it not a function?
 
@ssube it had a call signature, so you can call it as a function but typeof alert !== "function"
 
what did Object.prototype.toString.call( alert ); say
 
ignoring the flaws with typeof in a primarily untyped language, what was it and how was that a problem?
also ignoring that alert isn't part of JS
 
5:47 PM
Uh oh, what'd Waxi get suspended for this time?
@MadaraUchiha Hey, congratulations man! Onwards and upwards!
 
@Trasiva Cheers
 
I'm hoping something pans out on my end soon.
 
@Trasiva More misogynistic comments, after being implored to stop again and again.
 
I'm starting to do some serious introspection though at this point.
 
it's like the mad job-hatter yelled "CHANGE PLACES"
 
5:50 PM
I might just need to cut out all my free time and start doing dev work on some of the big frameworks. I think that's what's killing me the most.
 
i got tuna juice on my shirt :(
 
@Trasiva just gather up your genitals and go into ops, it's fun :D
 
@ssube Ops?
 
because I detest working with the big frameworks so much, I'm wasting my spare time in writing my own frameworks which never finish and hence I never start to do something useful
 
user image
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6:00 PM
You can tell that tweet is super fake
due to the low amt of retweets/favs
 
also, no hash tags
 
but yeah Trump dismissed a wall with Canada a while back
 
if we build a wall, it won't be to keep americans out. building a wall just sounds like fun.
 
it will obviously be to keep pucks in
 
6:06 PM
@Trasiva production operations
 
@ssube You mean like...working on products that go out the door?
 
nah, running servers
 
Oh, being like a Sys Admin and shit? I wouldn't mind doing that again.
 
6:22 PM
I always forget you have to use a bit value for boolean in SQL...
 
Ops is not just sys admin..
My cousin does ops, it's fun.
 
they're pretty similar
 
my options page is off the hook!
soon no one will be able to bitch 😃
 
@rlemon Dugger will find a way.
 
6:44 PM
WRONG
dugger doesn't hate things, he never said any of those things he said
 
found ndugger
 
40min tryng to find why the server was not responding data,
SOAP ui was bugged
Such a nice tool :'v
 
SOAP ui, what?
 
5.2.1
 
I'm wondering how I feel about this (cc @ssube @rlemon )
 

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