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22:00
@Ekn hmm... I'll follow you on twitter for now
@BadgerCat wow.
still getting slighty confused on forms
@phenomnomnominal ? :(
"bebemos la leche" and "nosotros bebemos la leche" means exactly the same right?
is the latter just more exact precise?
@jAndy right
No, both mean exactly the same thing
Ekn
Ekn
alright heh, that's a nice name @BadgerCat
when do you use one over the other?
@phenomnomnominal you'll always be bae
22:02
@jAndy native speakers don't use subjects usually
unless we're trying to clarify
@phenomnomnominal before anyone else?
@BadgerCat so you would always go with bebemos la leche
@jAndy yeah
@phenomnomnominal I know, sorry for calling you poop
ohh
I get it
you kids and your acronyms.
Ekn
Ekn
22:05
tomamos una cerveza, no one (again here) uses beber for drinking
@jAndy @Ekn is right, where do you intend to speak Spanish? Spain? South America?
@BadgerCat I have no clue.. I generally wanted to learn the language
what would you use for "drinking" ?
Tomamos too, but I'm Mexican
@Neoares how about you? tomar or beber?
@BadgerCat beber
quaff
22:08
tomar is more from south america
well you can say "tomar una cerveza, yes"
but the action (to drink) is "beber"
Ekn
Ekn
but I assume it would be like "grabbing a beer"
while in south america is "tomar"
@Badger is "tomamos" just another word for "drinking" or just a different language/dialect?
well... in spain we don't use "tomar" as grab
to me it's another word for drinking
22:10
we use "coger" but in some countries of south america "coger" means to fuck
so.. :P
I think for the Spanish people too
Ekn
Ekn
rite
coger also means drinking?
No, in Spain it means to grab
no, coger means fuck in mexico, argentina, etc
22:11
and in Mexico it means to fuck
right
well, I guess I have to worry about grammar first now before I get to such "problems" :P
haha yeah, whatever Spanish dialect you learn is fine, every Spanish speaker will understand what you're saying
el juego...
¬¬
22:14
Anybody know what "m" means in a Google Chrome version? e.g. Version 51.0.2704.63 m
@SvetanDimoff well, it would help if you could get someone experienced to sit down and get and idea on the kind of data you'll be managing; if you can find someone with a corporeal form in your environment, usually they'd be happy to share their insights over a dinner or a beer
@FilipDupanović Haha, awesome. Where are you from, bud?
< Bosnia and Herzegovina
@phenomnomnominal I sent you a snap of your love interest
damn
I have been working too long these days
Wow, them stars
@SvetanDimoff Node.js runs your application in a single thread, you can't have a big heap and you'll have to run several processes to utilize the CPU; there are great options for doing IPC, on a machine or across the network, but we usually settle on sharing data through some external data stores
@copy Yeah I've looked. Nobody explains what the "m" means. Somebody said it means "migrated" but people with new installs get that m
22:28
@FilipDupanović So, coupling NodeJS with Postgre, for example, isn't a desirable option? Rather stick with LAMP - like stack?
Ekn
Ekn
@tereško at least take short breaks.
naah, that's not it
@SvetanDimoff it doesn't really matter, you can pick whatever you want
thanks bae
@littlepootis I know. I'm amazing
22:28
I am just getting home from work around 21:00
or later
in the end it's just some async API to a complex data store, bytes getting transferred over some protocol
Ekn
Ekn
oh that's indeed late
node and postgres is fine. The time that postgres is working on a query is in another thread and not a problem.
basically, I read some stuff on internet, eat something and it's alread way too late
/me is becoming anti-social due to not actually communicating with people .. not even over the internet
@Luggage I'm pondering the stack for a a FarmVille/MafiaWars-style browser game. Has a schema
22:31
i'm becoming anti-social BECAUSE I communicate with people.
@SvetanDimoff all stacks are viable. it depends which you like working in the most.
Me, I'm a node fan, but.. we're in a JS room, so..
I'm trying to figuire out why some videos aren't playing for some Chrome users. I'm guessing the "m" means that the user has multiple version of Chrome (maybe 64-bit and 32-bit) .... best guess
@tereško we should meet irl
@Luggage I see
@SvetanDimoff a schema is an intrinsic feature of structured data
node's single-threaded behavior can be a benefit for multi-player game, as odd as that may sound.
22:32
@BadgerCat currently that would require too much effort
everything will have a schema, I think you're asking whether I should go for a relational data model or X, Y, Z, Q
You'll need to apply action against all players or multiple players and the single-threaded will remove the need to deal with locks, mutexes, etc.
@Luggage Have you ever been in a project coupling NodeJS with RDBMS?
hell, I dont even have my "days off", because those end up reserved for bullshit of relatives
yea.
22:34
@Luggage Turned out fine?
why wouldn't it?
RDBMS can work with anything.
@tereško find a new job?
@SvetanDimoff you keep asking the wrong question
22:34
run queries, get results.
Ekn
Ekn
@tereško for how long you'll be working in those terms?
So yeah, you're right. But it's not about archs, it's when you have different release channels on one PC.
@littlepootis but mine says (64-bit)
not m
@Luggage I know, I've connected Node with MySQL before. But it's more of a hassle than PHP. The latter 2 were meant for each other
@BadgerCat I got a new job. I am just still in the stage of "I am confused about everything here"
22:35
@SvetanDimoff everything might look that way because you're forced into using asynchronous APIs
@FilipDupanović I honestly don't think I'm on your level
@taco It means you have multiple versions of Chrome installed. (Stable, Beta, Dev,...)
Oh wait. You don't?
@Ekn till I get a solid grasp on how their whole legacy system works
@SvetanDimoff so you are probably just struggling with node's async callbacks. Look into promises. It's something to get used to, but I think it's worth it.
ATM I end up spending 4-6h a day just on chasing stuff around their codebase
22:37
@littlepootis That's my guess too, but that guy's source is a Blogspot comment from 2011
Ekn
Ekn
@tereško I see, well, good luck. They're lucky to have you though, you should be having days off.
You are in a JS room. We're all going to say "Node can do what you want." so..
In a similar vein, have you ever worked with DynamoDB? Since I'm on AWS EC2
Woo Hoo! 2017 they're making a boxcar children movie this was my favorite book series as a kid.
22:38
@littlepootis and the comment below his says "I also have the 'm' in the about window and only have one chrome installation"
the nostalgia is real
@Ekn I was supposed to. But yesterday I was "invited" to help my father to fix his new apartment on the weekend
@taco So, apparently multi-install means something else
thanks for the help
@SvetanDimoff in PHP, when you use the MySQL client to query for a player, execution blocks until the MySQL client gets a result from the server (or some expected error happens)
Ekn
Ekn
22:39
heh "invited" :D
 // Return a human readable modifier for the version string, e.g.
  // the channel (dev, beta, stable). Returns true if this operation succeeded,
  // on success, channel contains one of "", "unknown", "dev" or "beta" (unless
  // it is a multi-install product, in which case it will return "m",
  // "unknown-m", "dev-m", or "beta-m").
  static bool GetChromeChannelAndModifiers(bool system_install,
                                           base::string16* channel);
@FilipDupanović So they're all thread-based and all the queries are lining up? Sounds like a bottleneck to me
@littlepootis that sounds about right. These are corporate desktops. Thanks
I asked them for the output of chrome://version/ as well, but haven't heard back
... and now I have to get my 6h of sleep or I will be zobified in the morning ... and that's not healthy for someone whose using a bicycle to commute to work
anyway
nn
@littlepootis ^ white abhishek is in there
22:45
weird
@tereško gn
Ekn
Ekn
nite @tereško
> UNITED WE STAND
DIVIDED WE KINDA DO OKAY
@SvetanDimoff ultimately it really doesn't matter what you pick, it's just bytes to and from a complex data store, there's a lot of data models to pick from and you would probably benefit by mixing sources
but let's say that's TMI, you're on a budget, you want something you can get developers for, that won't prevent you from delivering: pick managed PostgreSQL or MongoDB and you can remember that day you made the horrible decision and revise some other day
23:08
@FilipDupanović So, you're leaning more in favor of MySQL?
Postgres all the way. MySQL is the devil's RDBMS.
^
Sequelize.js might work
@FilipDupanović So, you're leaning more in favor of MySQL? For it's more "compatible" with developers? I am on a budget. In fact, I don't plan making almost any investments besides a few specific design tasks and the hosting. It's just 2 of us for now. He's the designer
@Luggage Will take note
> Note to self: MySQL is wretched.
ny times sent me google cardboard. kinda cool
it works better than I thought it would. It's still a gimmick, though
I have used it (the only RDBMS I have) and it appeared okay. But only in pet projects
23:14
I have used MySQL, Postgres and Microsoft SQL Server with databases from 1gb to 50 TB. Avoid MySQL at all costs.
over 10 years.
Never used oracle or DB2.
I used Orcale Express...
I've also used SqLite in a deployment of about 200 users with databases hitting the 2GB limit. I've tested lots of DBs.
200 separate deployments (that's why SQLite)
@SvetanDimoff I'm in favor that you pay for access to a managed service; PostgreSQL and MongoDB and a few others have great clients, lots of libraries built on top to give you a nice representation of records and results in the code
for development, i see nothing wrong with a local install..
I'm sure you'll have enough time to refactor before you start burning serious money
23:20
@rlemon you've hit your quota of starred messages today.
@Luggage ach, you have to manage disks (which is a dragon's lair on it's own), then you have to manage the DB... best just throw money at it if you're undermanned
i didn't say use your pc as the production server..
@Luggage I gives the peoples what they wants
you just install DB, create db, set password, and go play.
Is it better to do margin: auto or text-align: center when I have a div that stores a text box and a button?
Which is preferred in that case?
23:25
@SvetanDimoff you know you can get $300 on Google Cloud?
Never mind, found out :D
hmm
> Javascript developers rarely have enough information about who are using their fine javascript library and what they are doing with it. By using log4sure.js in your library, you can get all useful user details with their log info without any extra steps.
creepy
@rlemon lol nice
Kendall needs a beard
I mean... 45% of your chat messages are advertising your library
HI LITTLE POOTIS
23:35
@rlemon XD lol
45%
Yeah
> I wanted to, but some people thought I was spamming my projects, here again log4sure.com
looks to be like you only come to chats to advertise your product.. which .. umm .. I'd call spam
XD
Or troll
23:39
no, I don't think it is trolling
God.. why doesn't anyone ever have a question I actually know the answer to???
just trying to advertise his/her product
Makes me feel like a help vampire D:
@thepiercingarrow who put the bomp in the bomp bah bomp bah bomp?
and if you know that, please answer who put the ram in the rama lama ding dong?
@rlemon Who put the dip in the dippity dip?
23:41
@thepiercingarrow Barry Mann
@FilipDupanović AWS EC2 gives me an yearly access to "Free tier"
Never heard of google cloud. I have to research how it measures against Amazon
@FilipDupanović nsfw
23:51
One thing is for sure, though. I will need a CDN.
@littlepootis oh what goes through your mind xD
8===D

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