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6:00 PM
The train is fine, but rush hour, everyday, from reston to mcphearson?
no thanks
 
Oh, gross, fuck that noise man.
Not that driving during rush hour was any better.
 
Now my commute is 6.8 miles total a day :)
and 50% more pay
 
Huge part of the reason when they asked if I wanted to move off base I told them no. The fact that I could run the five miles to work, grab a shower in the building, and not pay for gas? Yes please.
 
Does this look like a framework that you'd at least play around with? paste.ofcode.org/QvGPKfGTSN7uhpQpBCLS3t
Lay it on me
 
You run 5 miles to work?
That's awesome
 
6:02 PM
@SterlingArcher I used to before I got all crippled.
 
I would bike/walk to work but there's no shower here
 
@Nick I'd play around with it, it doesn't seem terrible.
 
I'll take that as a win
 
:( @Trasiva you got hurt?
 
he was blown up
 
6:03 PM
@SterlingArcher Yea, that's the only reason I'm out now.
 
Sorry to hear that man
 
Meh, all good. Not much changed, I'm still an asshole. I just can't chase your ass down.
 
hello guys, I have no idea on how to do a delay in a each that also is called recursive, does anyone have any ideas? i feel so lost right now
 
Are you mobile or cane or something?
 
Oh, mobile.
 
6:04 PM
If you can, do gentle yoga
 
I just get a fantastic limp after about two miles of walking.
 
After my knee was completely destroyed I've been doing yoga for years now and it's 20x better than the doctor predicted
He said i'd never snowboard again, but I proved him wrong
 
I'm saving up (albeit slowly) to buy a bike to work. It's about a mile, there's no excuse for me not to bike instead of drive.
 
punk ass bitch
 
@ZetCoby look out for scope
 
6:05 PM
the doctor, not you lol
A bike is good, but be careful when it rains. Drivers give no fucks and it's slick
 
:26305945 Because I don't have a bike?
 
@ZetCoby how are you calling the delay? setTimeout?
 
crl
ok
 
I have a sidewalk almost the whole way. Only one crossing the whole way.
 
trolling imgur.. somehow ended up on r/watchpeopledie .. mortified
 
6:06 PM
@AaronHarding i tried both but no use, I think it is because it is recursive, but if i dont call itself again it will work, a simple each with a delay works. but not recursive
 
@ZetCoby post your code to pastebin or something
 
@SterlingArcher Dude, that subreddit's not that bad.
 
iunno some of that shit is brutal
 
@SterlingArcher ahh, sometimes that places gives me the chills
 
Go to r/spacedicks if you want to really get uncomfortable.
 
6:07 PM
although usually it's pretty tame
 
crl
r/massiveturds
 
i saw an isis beheading video and i've never had chills from watchpeople die as i did from that
 
I don't think spacedicks is an appropriate subreddit for work xD
 
@AaronHarding line 45 codepen.io/ZetCoby/pen/PPmmKg
 
@AaronHarding At least they usually use sharp blades or one shot kills. It's worse when the blade's dull.
 
6:08 PM
@Trasiva yeah true, i saw a comment like 'at least it only took one hit this time' and i just..
 
._______.
 
There's much worse out there.
 
.‾‾‾‾‾‾‾.
 
:|
|:
._.
.--.
 
.‾.
noob
 
6:11 PM
Bite me sack muncher.
 
i will
 
!!afk vape
 
!!Does zirak accept PRs for cap?
 
@ZetCoby what's the problem?
 
crl
@Cereal could you prefix your message with !! please?
 
6:14 PM
@AaronHarding at line 45 I try to implement a delay in the each, lets say one sec delay, in order for each path/line etc to draw itself after one seacond each, the thing is that i can not make that delay work there
 
Should this theoritically work? const setPassword = user ? Promise.denodeify(Accounts.resetPassword.bind(Accounts, token, password)) : Promise.resolve;
 
@Cereal Indeed
 
crl
^
 
um since when does String.splice mutate
 
6:21 PM
!!mdn string.splice
 
Since always, I think
 
@ZetCoby you could try: codepen.io/anon/pen/Yyrdpo
 
I said splice, damnit
 
i'm guessing you were trying to use setTimeout?
 
6:22 PM
> slice() extracts the text from one string and returns a new string. Changes to the text in one string do not affect the other string.
 
I always confuse slice and splice. The names aren't very good
 
@AaronHarding can u explain a bit what u did? yea i tried timeout and delay
 
well setTimeout pushes the function onto the event queue, and you pass a reference to all the variables inside, and not the variables themselves
 
!!define slice
 
@Trasiva slice That which is thin and broad.
 
6:24 PM
so when the event queue is cleared and the function comes to be called again, all those references have been cleaned up, and no longer exist
 
Dammit Cap, wrong definition.
 
i see, thank you for the help, I will look some more into this
 
so the bind is a way to keep the variables themselves, and not just references
there are many ways to solve the problem that you came across, mine is just one of them
 
MRW phone interviewer asks about what I mean with "full stack engineering" and I say "well it means I just use the best tool for the job" and he responds with "well that's great, our main tool we use is Flash for our website":
 
will look more into it in order to make each of the path delay not just only one
 
oh cool
Digital Ocean has droplet-to-droplet networking
but I guess if I pop a Redis instance I can run my code on it as well vOv
 
or also looking around for 'setTimeout closure javascript' will bring up a lot of articles :)
 
@Pheonixblade9 Please tell me you hung up and walked away.
 
@BartekBanachewicz that's pretty cool
 
I just got $50 in credit
I am wondering what could I build with it
 
6:28 PM
@Trasiva nah, I am interviewing for the Android gig. it definitely made me go "uhhhhh..." when he immediately asked if I wanted to interview
 
@Pheonixblade9 for the love of god, run.
 
I can only swing so many half days at work before people start to get annoyed
 
Flash sucks!
 
I could certainly write a MMO and host it
 
b-but flash is actually really great
 
6:29 PM
"hey, come maintain our dying technology!"
sidenote, this is a startup. lol
 
some of the best interactive programmers are guys who learnt through Flash/AS
 
The only thing flash is good for is crappy games and clipboard access
 
I learned through flash/as. I am not a good programmer
Don't tell my boss that
 
@SterlingArcher eh, disagree. AS is really a good language to program interactive "things" with. time based events, it's very strong there
javascript, and what people are doing with it now, was what was doable with flash 10 years ago
 
@AaronHarding heh, they paying you?
 
6:30 PM
There's nothing wrong with AS, Flash is bad because it requires plugins and containers and bullshit... and it's slow
 
@ssube hehe maybe
 
flash is pretty dead now, AS used to be what JS is now (except JS has actually thought it through)
 
@Nick sure, okay. i usually think that people couple them together
 
@Nick Also it apparently can't update itself
 
@AaronHarding AS is based on ES
 
6:31 PM
I like actionscript :(
 
crl
@Cereal it will be visible in transcripts :)
 
;)
 
@SterlingArcher I love that the kid just totally rolls with it.
 
@Zirak really?
 
6:31 PM
Flash was a good because it was a great enabler, but it's time for it to go
 
Plottwist: he's dating the daughter just to bang the dad
#FirstWorldGayProblems
 
@SterlingArcher Fourteen will get you twenty man.
 
@Zirak sure okay, but time driving programming is really nice
 
Can anyone recommend a simple jQuery timer that can run multiple instances? (h:m:s)
 
6:32 PM
@AaronHarding AS2 is based off of ES3, AS3 is based off of ES4
 
> jQuery timer
 
Well, the burning remains of ES4
 
use multiple setIntervals, or Timeouts @AmericanSlime
 
Hey guys I just found this cool site savorweb.com does anyone has any idea which jquery script it is that uses in the header. Very similar to particle js but it is notr the same
Really curious
 
> which jquery script
 
6:33 PM
@iSaumya does your view source not work?
 
no man
 
Why do you assume every script is jquery?
 
Tried hard
 
@SterlingArcher look at its throat
 
Try harder
 
6:34 PM
^
 
Open the site let it load completely you will see
 
You tried hard to view the source?
 
no
 
Also, in many Arabian countries, camels are eaten just like cows are in the west.
 
I dont want to @iSaumya
I personally don't care about the plugin/script
 
6:34 PM
I don't open strange links so close to Friday.
 
lol
 
I was hoping for a simple plugin I could throw in, but if I have to create a vanilla js timer then ok. I guess I could try.
 
@Zirak well i didn't know that. thanks for the history lesson.. still, the environment of time based events is so good in flash. it's nothing like a browser's "event queue"
 
@MadaraUchiha Camel isn't so bad man.
 
that's what i think a lot of people don't see
 
6:34 PM
I'm serious guys. Ok I'm send you a screenshot card you see it then?
 
no
 
@Trasiva When you kill them instantly
If you get sloppy, you get stuff like this:
 
crl
no pls, oh better than expected
 
@iSaumya it might be vanilla
thats an easy effect.
 
6:35 PM
@AaronHarding You are absolutely correct. For animations and things of the sort timeline based actions were a really good idea. Still, Flash as a product is pretty horrible.
 
@MadaraUchiha Yep, seen that.
They're ornery bastards.
 
@Trasiva I'm all for eating animals
 
^ +1
 
@Loktar really? I've seen the same in domaintools a few months back any idea which script it is
 
We're on top of the food chain and I'd like it to stay that way
 
6:36 PM
@Zirak i also mean time and event based programming. but yeah, i agree.
 
@iSaumya no idea man
 
But if you're going to kill an animal to eat it, at least do it properly.
 
I miss AS2
that was dead simple lol
 
@iSaumya you could always try harder to find out which script it is, or write your own. Don't be so lazy.
 
the real question is
 
6:37 PM
@Zirak Adobe's Flash is horrible.
Macromedia's Flash was mindblowing at the time.
 
do I hate my current gig enough to deal with the possibility of working on Flash
 
crl
!!urban gig 1
 
@crl gig A live performance, either musical, theatrical, or physical.
 
@Pheonixblade9 Unlikely
 
@crl [gig](http://gig.urbanup.com/744677) 1. A job, usually in the entertainment injustry.
2. An abbreviated form of "gigabyte."
3. A verb meaning to use a spear-like implement to stab into a small animal such as a fish or frog.
 
6:38 PM
Flash is dead, wasting time on a Flash job is just that, wasting time.
In 5-10 years, it would mean absolutely nothing on your resume.
Java is still going strong. NodeJS is on the rise, you should try look for jobs with those in them.
 
Flash is almost dead, but not quite yet
NodeJS vs Flash... hmmm
Not seeing a correlation
 
@Loktar It's effectively dead.
 
Flash is still strong and heavy in web gaming and will it continue reigning until there're enough tools for non-devs to develop games in non-flash.
 
It received more than one fatal blows.
 
^ in gaming is where its still large
 
6:39 PM
@MadaraUchiha we're doing waterfall, haha
 
thats what I mean by almost dead
 
@Loktar Yes, I agree.
 
on the web in general it is for sure though, which is great
 
the new rpg maker is javascript
 
well... we're doing waterfall... but saying that we're doing Agile. So we get the worst parts of waterfall and the worst parts of agile
 
6:39 PM
But I see more and more games going towards Unity nowdays.
 
Unity is great. Super easy to learn, and uses a real language (C#)
 
yeah but the Unity plugin isn't supported in browsers
 
And canvas based games are slowly but surely gaining ground
 
also Unity is on the same level as Flash imo
 
@Loktar it is, though :) it works quite well in Chrome
 
6:40 PM
Id trust Flash more than a Unity plugin
 
I'm curious as to whether or not the new rpg maker is 2d canvas or webgl
 
@Pheonixblade9 Not on any linux distro.
 
AAAHHHHHH
masters of the universe!
 
@Loktar Never!
 
6:40 PM
canvas is the most correct way
 
@MadaraUchiha true. sad fact is they go for the 80/20 rule.
 
I don't trust flash anymore. I have it disabled by default, enabled only on kongregate.
 
@Loktar But it's also the hardest.
 
I don't get when people praise unity but hate flash for the web gonestly
@Zirak yeah me too
 
Huh, new RPG Maker uses pixi.js
I hate pixi's api. It's shit
 
6:41 PM
Just like writing actual games with C++ and OpenGL is the "correct" way
But we still say abominations out there
 
I mean Unity is an additional plugin.. thats what we rallied against with Flash (among a few other things)
 
I think Flash is the product with the largest amount of exploits/day in the history of software
@Loktar Oh, definitely; I hope to see Unity die off horribly as well.
 
Because C++ and OpenGL are f-ing hard, and not many people can program as well as they can do 3d modeling/physics.
 
I bet UNity could be targeted and exploited as well if there was enough of a reason to
 
@Loktar which is why I don't play unity games
 
6:42 PM
@Zirak :) good!
didn't know where you stood on it
I just want to play games with no additional program downloads essentually
 
C++ is the right way to write games if your games have complex effects
 
@MadaraUchiha That's why you have a bazillion pieces of software sitting on top of these to make sure you never have to touch these.
 
for basic 3d and 2d games, Unity is great
 
This game is written 100% with JavaScript
 
for basic 2D games, the js canvas api is plenty powerful.
 
6:43 PM
@MadaraUchiha ugh
 
there's some pretty amazing stuff out there just using Unity scripting
 
dude they use an engine
 
@Nick Power isn't the problem
 
whoop-deedo
They use Construct
 
smashing, austin.
 
6:43 PM
idk why people point to that game like its something amazing, there are tons of construct games
 
@MadaraUchiha what do you say the problem is? Too complex for non-developers? Is that what we're talking about?
 
@Loktar lol, you're living in a word where the word "business" means nothing
 
Just like anyone sane would never do WebGL directly, they use THREE. With enough time good enough frontends will be made to enable people to write these games.
 
you export to html5.
 
@Nick Abso-fucking-lutely
 
6:44 PM
!!s/html5/javascript/
 
@Nick you export to javascript. (source)
 
@MadaraUchiha my point is they didn't handcode that game or anything
they built it using construct... and exported it to html5.
 
Flash is SUPER friendly for non developers, and is also pretty friendly for developers.
 
!!s/html5/javascript/
 
@Loktar Good, they didn't waste their time
 
6:44 PM
@Nick they built it using construct... and exported it to javascript. (source)
 
seriously
 
I will keep doing it
 
What does it matter how they made it, if you can play it in the browser?
Isn't using an engine good?
 
meh
 
6:44 PM
Yes, I'm not disagreeing with that at all.
But its not something thats some technical achievement on their end.
 
@Loktar I've spoken with the devs a few times
 
I missed a thought train hop at some point
 
They most definitely have custom JS code in that game.
 
The construct guys are the ones who should be praised.
 
Isn't that the same for anything?
 
6:45 PM
(Crappy one, as they admit, because they're in a rush, but their own JS code nonetheless)
 
Praise unreal for UE4
etc
 
@Cereal yeah, no one points to unreal games (I hope) and says LOOK they made this all in C++ those are amazing devs!
People constantly comment on the game @MadaraUchiha posted on how it was "made with all JS"
 
That wasn't the point though, I think the point was that making complex games is possible
 
psh, just show UE4 running in the browser
that gets the point across even better imo
 
Not to praise the devs for writing the whole thing themselves, nobody cares
 
6:47 PM
@Loktar The point being is that even with tools, awesome things can be done with just JS
 
not some game that emulates the SNES era
 
jQuery pushed the whole web years forward
 
@MadaraUchiha to be devils advocate... awesome we can make games that were on the SNES in 1994
 
Today we look down at jQuery developers and often enough jQuery itself
 
now it holds it back
 
6:48 PM
But let's not forget how f-ing awesome it was when it first came out
 
> cen ne1 tell me pls wht good jquery script 2 use for pls
 
Thats more impressive imo. Webgl, ect. Thats amazing stuff.
 
@Nick jQuery lowered the bar
 
@Loktar In an unrelated note, we had a few Unreal Tournament...uhm...tournaments in the office (after hours!), I missed the levels of hate and found new wells of swear words.
 
6:48 PM
> ect.
 
I started to learn glsl a few weeks ago. I wanna jump back into it
 
@Zirak haha
 
There's a new unreal tournament out
 
Lowering the bar lead to innovation, and as with anything else, JavaScript is now a victim of its own popularity
 
I assume you guys know, but I just found out
It's free and whatnot
 
6:49 PM
1-hit KO lasers rounds, holy fuck
 
Unreal Engine is.. for lack of better words unreal
 
Being a JavaScript developer makes money, and if JavaScript is easy getting into, people who aren't suited for the job will try it
 
@MadaraUchiha Enter jquery
 
You don't see a lot of n00bs in C++, why? Because it's hard!
JavaScript is easy
 
@Cereal exit sanity
 
6:49 PM
Also because fuck c++
 
With or without jQuery (although admittedly, slightly easier with jQuery)
 
It's not even easier with jquery, you just type less
 
I'd argue that javascript is easier without jquery (in 2015)
 
Any noob can JavaScript. But it takes talent to do professional JS I think
 
I can make the conscious decision to spend years of my life trying to learn a language as hard as C++, with all the theoretical knowledge needed to master it like the inner workings of a computer, and make X
 
6:50 PM
Especially if you have UI experience, knowing how users react to websites
 
Or I can spend a month with YouTube tutorials and CodeCademy, and make 0.7X
Loads of people will go towards the obvious choice
Only the ones with genetic defects go and choose a language as hard as C++
 
@MadaraUchiha You're over-stretching it
 
Or those who are old enough to not have many alternatives when they began learning
 
I took a c++ course. A 20 year indian guy who couldn't speak english taught it
 
@Zirak Not really
 
6:52 PM
@phenomnomnominal Re: node security: nodesecurity.io/tools and requiresafe.com
 
I'm an avid C++ hater, but to get along with it you don't have to spend years in software frustration
 
From a beginner's point of view, how long would it take someone to actually make something, a real something, in C++ vs JavaScript?
 
so - I am looking at doing some full stack JS dev just to learn it. I already got some good advice from people in /7 - do you guys have any favorite resources for tutorials or good examples?
 
How long until you know enough to get a job?
 
I would agree that market forces favour web-dev because that's hip
 
6:52 PM
@MadaraUchiha for a beginner? I'd say JS is faster to get to MVP. Modern C++ is pretty great though
 
php
 
@Pheonixblade9 In which would I get a job easier?
@Nick Get out\
 
And js is indeed more user friendly, even if you only consider that you can just F12 and start doing.
 
@MadaraUchiha That's not the right question. The right question nowadays seems to be "how much do you have to know to get a job and fake it until you make it"?
 
@MadaraUchiha you can get a job quickly if you know js or java or C# or php
"knowing" js is more knowing the state of the art, though. The language itself is pretty dead simple
 
6:53 PM
@MadaraUchiha That's besides the point. Io is a much easier language to learn than js and you won't find places looking for Io devs.
 
Java#hpScript++Lang
 
@Zirak Yes, so is LOLCODE
 
@Pheonixblade9 it's small but not simple
 
It's all about supply and demand
 
Because anymore, it seems like people (at least around here) will take a fresh college graduate with little experience over someone with years of OJE and OJT because they can pay them less. And thanks to the internet, most of the answers are there.
 
6:54 PM
@MadaraUchiha Which is not about ease of use or noob-friendliness.
 
@ssube much like Go (the board game), it is very simple to learn but takes a long time to master.
 
@Zirak It's a combination of what I can do vs how easily I can do it.
 
It's really not. It's "you have javascript and...nothing else".
 
@MadaraUchiha waaaay too broad of a question.
 
I can do anything in both Java, JavaScript and PHP
 
6:55 PM
Even if js was as hard as c++ you'd have gotten this effect
 
I can say authoritatively, that JS & Python is three months in the bay area.
 
I'm fluent enough in all 3 languages to implement pretty much any solution
 
well.. you'd use Java, js, and PHP for different problems. They all are valid choices for some problems
although I'd use Scala or Groovy over Java if you're looking at JVM languages
 
@Pheonixblade9 It doesn't really matter
 
crl
is there a JS for the JVM?
 
6:56 PM
@Zirak if any solution is implementable in both Java, JS and PHP, why is there a difference in popularity?
 
Rhino
 
crl
oh cool
 
@MadaraUchiha What? How can you put PHP on the clientside?
 
@crl no, you're thinking of something like Node
 
@Zirak Yeah, let's put browser programming aside for the moment
 
6:57 PM
But that's 100% of the reason js is popular
 
you can run Node.js on the JVM: nodyn.io
 
@Abhishrek Yo
 
@Zirak node.js?
 
SONOFABITCH, I figured out the problem. APPARENTLY when someone updated the master page, they disabled viewstates, forcing gridviews to lose their data on postback....
 
@MadaraUchiha Who the fuck would've used node if javascript wasn't popular beforehand?
 
6:58 PM
@Zirak Not to mention the stupid-fast engines come because it's the only browser option
 
@Zirak Still better than PHP
 

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