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9:00 PM
@Luggage the filesystem layout is defined on every ls based on the installed packages on the system
hmm... what you could do, would be mounting the filesystem via sshfs, and run the install script on every folder in installed...
 
it'd still be inferior to a proper desired-state-configuration or infrastrure-as-code or whatever the kids are calling it these days. Just a thought
 
@Luggage oh yes, definitely
the point is not to compete with tools like puppet/ansible
 
Yea, I'm just thinking "what FS tools could apply?"
 
@Zirak lol... imagine mounting the pkgfs via sshfs
@Luggage it's mostly a very nice interface
e.g. I wanted to know how many packages I had, ls /pkg/installed | wc -l
 
I mean "what existing things do I do to files that I could now to so a FS that represents the state of installed pckages?"
 
9:02 PM
doing a dependency graph is also very easy, see github.com/Zirak/pacman-fs/blob/master/fun-scripts/…
 
and rsync came to mind
 
@FlorianMargaine That's an interesting idea
 
NODE_PATH="/path/to/node_modules"
 
@Zirak for introspection of another machine?
 
did something change making this not work?
 
9:03 PM
don't see what other kind of usage it can have
@Luggage yeah, that's an interesting idea
 
@Luggage That would've been insanely cool if we could represent installation as file copying
Sadly the world is a shitty place so we can't, see the archive on the spec
 
hm
a friend told me that if I loved writing a custom filesystem, writing a custom device driver would be orgasmic
now I wonder what kind of device driver I could write
 
it'd have to be something you own and have interest in.
I can't imagine writing some missing device driver for some boring hardware is very orgasmic
 
oh, right, I need a physical device to go with.
 
a toaster
 
9:11 PM
"Finally, someone wrote a driver for a model 34 Tape Archive"
"this guy must have been BORED"
 
You could invent a device and implement it in qemu
And the write the device driver for it
 
I'd like to kill someone right now ...
 
Write a murder driver.. there you go.
Do any guns have a usb interface?
 
Ended up working on code someone else wrote, and he used $.Deferred
Fuck. My. Life.
 
Deferred. Just like a Promise*.
* Nope.
 
9:16 PM
@Luggage do you work in marketing?
 
I do not.
 
Because you like these asterisks a lot
 
I do.
 
Certainly.
 
Indeed.
 
9:18 PM
@Luggage btw, where do you work? What's your job? I'm realizing that I don't know a lot about you.
 
East coast, USA, programmer, indy contractor
 
"Indy contractor"?
 
He's doing what I do but in the US
 
Independant
 
9:19 PM
Though, most of my work is for a single company, long term.
 
and he comes with 100% less visor
 
What kind of tech?
 
All JS, All the time.
 
I like you
 
Oh
Node?
 
9:20 PM
Current project is moslty JS. (node backend, webapp). There is a bit of C# in there for working with excel
 
cool
How do you communicate between node and c#?
 
hehe, stdin (JSON) and stdout (Excel file).
I couldn't find any good excel libraries in JS, so I do as much tranformation in JS as I can and just use C# because there is an excel library that does everythign I need.
Also, I like C# and have many years experience in it.
So it's my "anything node can't do or do well" tool in this project.
 
yeah, I remember you having worked on NHibernate at some point
 
yea. NHibernate is a mess but I miss it. The equivelent tools in Node are WAY behind in features.
the time I waste with that I mostly gain back by being able to reuse code between client and server though. That was my main motivation for going with node.
The same code that's providing live feedback on a form is also on the server to make sure the data submitted is correct, etc.
 
9:31 PM
oh, you're actually one of the rare crowd that reuses code between server and client :-)
 
The same code on the server that transforms data into the shape I want for excel exports is used on the client for making html
well, if both are in the same language, why not.
 
^^
 
Though I have /src/client /src/server and /src/shared and nothing in the server code can ever be on the client
to avoid accidentally revealing shit I don't want to
 
hey @Loktar, doing anything for #ccc this time?
 
Your git-controlled hosting looked awesoem.. except for the lack of node support
 
9:36 PM
@Luggage you're not the first one to say that :P
and it's in the roadmap
 
I wouldn't be a customer, sadly, we host internally because we have healthcare data and it simplifies some things for us.
 
simplifies?
I thought handling this kind of sensitive data would be a real pita
 
Well, we'd have to have you sign papers and segregate the machines from others.
It's not even that valuable of data, but thems the rules.
 
yup, this kind of data is protected. Thankfully.
 
Amazon will sign the BSA, so we could use them, but the separate physical hardware really ups the price
 
9:42 PM
@FlorianMargaine hrm? Link? It sounds vaguely familiar
 
We actually DO use a remote virtual server, but it's in a local data center and it's a separate machine in their rack. More like a co-location.
 
(my company)
 
whew, corrected that 'their' before @JanDvorak saw it.
 
@FlorianMargaine oh, didn't you work for smile.fr?
 
9:44 PM
Wasn't looking anyways
 
@Zirak I quit smile a year ago
@Zirak went to commerceguys.com , and switched teams from there to work on platform.sh
 
Oh yes, commerceguys
 
most of the code is in python :P
 
Having fun?
 
9:47 PM
MongoDB manual: "Oh hi! I see that you're reading the manual. For more information, click this link to read the manual."
I'm so tired I don't care any more
 
"someone is editing this manual right now, please wait"
 
haha
hm.. I wonder if I could make a postgres library that has the same api as the mongo node driver.
mongo query language would be a huge task.
But I kinda like the mongo query language.. I wonder how well that aligns with postgres' json querying
 
@towc just saw the twitter act. I might I am so busy with preparing to move though :/
 
@Loktar to where?
:D
 
9:56 PM
Michigan
 
any reason?
 
he threw a dart at a map and that's where it landed.
 
not that knowing it changes my life or something, but I'm just curious
 
@towc family is there
 
@towc I'm moving to the UK to be with you
 
9:58 PM
I'm from MI originally
moved to Nebraska because of the Air Force
 
@Loktar oh! Is everyone ok?
 
oh yeah everyones fine, just all of our family lives there
 
@Loktar wait... what do you have to do with the Air Force, uncle Lok?
 
so we want the kids to know their grandparents, ect.
haha I was in the Airforce for 4 years
when I got out we just stayed in Nebraska
I worked for the US gov for another 6 or so years here
 
as an assassin
 
10:00 PM
as an ASS ASS.
 
@Loktar dang, I respected you before, now I'm not sure what to do 0.o
 
lol man gov work...
@towc hah thanks man
I figured you were indifferent to me due to my sometimes snarkiness :p
alright dinner time! see you all later
 
goodbye love
 
I mean, I guess most would say "thank you for your services" but I'm not american, so there's really no reason I should thank you :P
!!define snarkiness
 
god bless america
 
10:01 PM
A drone killed my dad :(
 
oh right, the lemon stole the cap -_-
 
@Luggage he was guilty of something
 
No, he cut himself constructing it and got an infection.
 
wait seriously?
 
no :)
 
10:03 PM
ok whew
 
Just playing with expectations for humor.
 
@Luggage I have really mixed feelings about that
 
He's alive and well.
 
always start with <joke>, ok?
 
ohh. not that.
but.. then it wouldn't be a joke anymore.
 
10:06 PM
<joke> broke ie, that's not funny :P
 
See..
<joke> SuperUberDork is here.
 
how about markdown? {insert joke here}?
or <p type="joke">joke here</p>?
 
this black lambo with really large gaudy red wheels and red ground effect drove by.
money doesn't buy taste.
 
but shows you have money :P
 
true
or HAD money.
 
10:14 PM
well, yeah
 
time to go find food and go home
 
10:34 PM
@towc have you already done the canvas talk?
did I miss it? :((
 
@catgocat yup
:/
 
when??!
 
2 days ago
 
what time
 
</joke>
no, not really
 
10:34 PM
what??
 
I'm not really sure what you expect from it, but it will be coming :P
 
oh ok
I almost believed in you
scratch the "almost"
 
I'm sorry to let you down, son
knowing myself, when I'll do it I'll make sure half of the world knows about it
<joke> just because my ego is known to be extremely low </joke>
 
10:58 PM
@Zirak thoughts?
 
@FlorianMargaine I'm still torn
 
gonna leave this in here
 
Well, that was easy anyway
Next hard part: search.
hmmmm
The persistence of the searched folders will have to be in a variable
@Zirak oh btw... unfun thing: try sudo ls pkg/
 
@FlorianMargaine It makes a difference?
 
Fusermount is per user
Just found this out
 
11:05 PM
ooohhh right
 
So the install commands need to be prefixed with sudo in the script
 
There's a way around that in the fusermount flags IIRC
 
oh?
allow_root
 
PSA: @towc is doing his canvas talk tomorrow, bring your popcorn
 
@ʞɔᴉN I first have to give you the sex talk
you're almost 8, right?
 
11:08 PM
aw cmon, can't that wait?
 
how do you view a hidden js box in jsfiddle?
 
I mean, you did spend 6/8 of your years in the basement, but you're almost ready for the talk
btw no, my presumed son is way more important than the canvas talk. It'll have to wait
I only have one question, who's your mother?
@php_purest hidden? 0.o what do you mean?
 
@towc but I have 2 dads
 
@ʞɔᴉN uhmm... I must have adopted you or something
 
11:12 PM
obviously, as men can't get pregnant
 
sure you can
 
@ʞɔᴉN well, looking at you I'd say they do. I mean, it's rounder than a woman's pregnant belly!
 
@php_purest there's nothing hidden...
 
@php_purest it's all in your head
 
11:14 PM
there is too
where's the javascript then?
 
 
@towc I'm rocking the moobs too
 
what are you talking about exactly??
 
how did it get broken out?
 
@php_purest it loaded like that
I don't even think there's an option not to display it
 
11:16 PM
i only see javascript html and output
 
so your problem is css?
 
i mean css html output
 
screenshot?
@ʞɔᴉN yup. You're the most beautiful girl I've ever seen. I don't go out.
 
how did you post it?
 
 
11:19 PM
well you can send an image to the great Cloud in the Sky
@towc wait I don't think you used enough helpful arrows
 
oh, right
well, next time
good night now guys. Meet me in the bedroom @ʞɔᴉN
 
@towc k bb. i'll wear something special
 
@ʞɔᴉN wear that mouse outfit I left last time
 
@php_purest scroll down???
@ʞɔᴉN nah, don't put any clothes on
 
11:23 PM
@rlemon good idea, I really enjoyed that one
@towc no fun if you can't take anything off
 
not possible
 
this is getting out of hand. Shut up and come @ʞɔᴉN. Good night to everyone else!
 
haha
and the only CSS in that example is the jQuery UI
 
(you're going to have a long and painful night)
 
can't wait
 
11:26 PM
(for it to finish)
 
my favorite part
 
i hate how jsfiddle sometimes does that to me
jsfiddle sometimes even hides the javascript pane
 
never happened to me
 
must just be me
 
in any case -- I finished up a parser that can parse any context free grammar! check it out guys: http://jsfiddle.net/purmou/opg92y7h/21/

this demo is just a series of parentheses. try out a few things, let me know how it works :)
 
11:35 PM
how can I say that a value is between two values? can I say a value is "in bounds"?
 
@Purag nice
 
what's the correct expression
 
it's times like this i wish i could ask questions on SO
 
@catgocat perhaps valid?
depends on the context
 
There are bounds, and the value doesn't respect those bounds.
Therefore, the value is not in bound?
Something like that.
 
11:37 PM
I'd say in bounds, out of bounds.
 
so inBounds makes sense for a function name?
or isInBounds
 
within range, not within range
 
perhaps, but "inbound" has a different meaning
 
oh no
i would call it checkRange
 
inRange perhaps?
 
11:38 PM
yeah
that's good
 
yeah I think so too thanks :) @Purag @ʞɔᴉN
 
that works too...prototype would be inRange(value, min, max)
 
can someone send some javascript from a fiddle?
 
it's not for javascript btw xD
 
11:39 PM
eh, still makes sense hahaha
 
@catgocat how about "between"?
 
@Purag what is your end goal for this anyways?
 
i think all of our suggestions are ambiguous...what if one of the bounds is exclusive, or what if both are? i think between is when both are
@ʞɔᴉN I'm writing a C compiler in Javascript
 
wait what
 
yup
though, it's becoming a bit more than that. for instance, this parse tree tool can be very helpful for just visualizing how C (or any language for that matter) will parse
great for students learning C
and, eh, imagine compiling C with node
might be cool, might not. :)
 
11:46 PM
but wouldn't that involve building actual machine code?
 
yes. I have to write the codegen at some point. I'm going to translate into SPARC assembly since that's what I know well
 
i was thinking of building something similar to your math expression interpreter, albeit for a totally different purpose
nice
 
@Zirak can't get the allow_other/allow_root option to work. Can you?
 
isn't SPARC strictly AMD though?
hold on
wait it has nothing to do with AMD, dunno where I got that from
 
haha
unfortunately I was taught SPARC at school, so I'm going with that...but nothing's stopping me from switching to x86
or supporting both for that matter
 
11:51 PM
had a friend who's dad did some work on the SPARC architecture, and he worked at AMD at some point. guess I just made an assumption that the two were related
 
ah i see
 
can't believe they teach you assembly in school though
 
yeah i couldn't either
but man, you learn soooo much under-the-hood stuff
I know the ins and outs of C soooo much better now
you really learn to appreciate high-level languages more hahaha
 
@Zirak woohoo, got it
 
best project we did was reimplementing the unix sdiff command
 
11:53 PM
yeah I definitely get that
the most experience I have with C is a blinky light Arduino program :)
@Purag oh yeah?
 
done TicTacToe in haskell
please kill me now
 
My favorite language is Javascript...but my strongest is C
 
i've been working with realtime diff/merge techniques lately, gave me a lot more appreciation for this type of thing
 
@ʞɔᴉN oh yeah dude this program was wicked hard
 
if there only was a D language... I'd be very confident with my D and my D would probably be the strongest
 
11:55 PM
$ mount
pkgfs on /pkg type fuse.pkgfs (rw,nosuid,nodev,relatime,user_id=1000,group_id=1000,allow_other)
@Zirak ^
 
The D programming language is an object-oriented, imperative, multi-paradigm system programming language created by Walter Bright of Digital Mars and Andrei Alexandrescu. Though it originated as a re-engineering of C++, D is a distinct language, having redesigned some core C++ features while also taking inspiration from other languages, notably Java, Python, Ruby, C#, and Eiffel. D's design goals attempt to combine the performance and safety of compiled languages with the expressive power of modern dynamic languages. Idiomatic D code is commonly as fast as equivalent C++ code, while being shorter...
 
@towc i have personal experience, can confirm. come back to bed bb
 
@Zirak make sure the name is correct in mount :)
 
@Purag omg :D
@ʞɔᴉN yeah, sorry
 
@Purag did you use that technique made by that guy
ugh
 
11:56 PM
@ʞɔᴉN we were given a longest common subsequence library that we needed to utilize...but none of us knew what it was/how it worked
 
@towc it's a pretty famous language tbh
facebook uses it
 
my D gives people a whole new dimension of... language potential?
ok, I'm stopping with the bad jokes
@ʞɔᴉN I'll be right there, honey
 
myer's diff, that was it
 
eventually I understood what the LCS was doing. it was actually pretty brilliant. we need to implement the LCS algorithm in one of the classes I'm taking in the fall, so that'll be fun
 
@towc bring the toys
@Purag what's the purpose of LCS again?
 
@ʞɔᴉN so, I got monopoly and risk. Preferences?
 

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