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19:00
Obviously native is best
Great! So lets say I take the native path and now I come to the "platform" fork on the path. Which way do I go?
Not necessarily the easiest.
@benlevywebdesign Can you restate that question?
Lots of factors in the decision.
Well, the focus is geared more towards a mobile app layout. I mean my concept could be a website, but I don't think it is that. It would be responsive, sure but the layout would stay pretty much the same it would just stretch horizontally.
Lets say I do decide to go native. Now there are different platforms for native and I have to choose which one I am going to use...
19:06
Android
without knownig more, I like the idea of starting with a website, but giving yourself the option of making a native app later on, re-using as much code as possible.
I've never used it, but I like the idea of React Native
It feels weird being the senior developer in the office right now
The sysadmin and director went to interview and I'm in charge xD
their loss
I'm literally answering more questions than I am working lol
iOS might work out too
19:09
@copy I think they are asking for platforms to make apps, not OSes
I do now a little bit of Lua and corona SDK(cross platform) but it lacks in some basic native features and the way do text weather it be single line or paragraph, sucks. You really don't get that much control over any stylization options such as line height etc.
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There is a mechanical bull in the parking lot at work.
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And a monster truck bounce house. These people know how to have a "picnic"
Ah, middle America..
19:10
@Luggage OS defines the platform. Android is the platform for android smartphones and iOS is the platform for iPhones.
ok,, so you are choosing between android and iphone
so that isn't chosen by your customers?
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Can somebody pin @benlevywebdesign message there ^ I feel like that's !important
I don't think it can be answered in chat
Afternooner
@Shmiddty o/
19:14
\o
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@Shmiddty do you use react-bootstrap?
We use it to some degree.
Some of the components are poorly designed, fyi
@copy I have 3 android devices. I have my Nexus 6 (my current phone), a ten inch tablet (on 4.2.1), and my old phone, a Motorola Droid Razr HD (on 4.4.2)
vs.
My 1 iPod Touch 5th Gen.
Developing for different versions of Android is well documented
@Jhawins /r/MonsterTrucksFuckingHouses ?
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19:22
O.o
@copy Yes it is. I find the documentation sometimes a little overwhelming. I am not concerned about supporting all versions since this is more of a personal side project right now. So like 4.0 and up. I am a very visual person and like seeing how things are done/coded.
Wahoo! No more negative sick/vacation day values!
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@SterlingArcher Is that real
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@Shmiddty I agree. But I'm not making the decision to use it or not :P
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19:27
OverlayTrigger pissed me off.
@Jhawins Ok
yeah the overlay one is pretty awful
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We use it on the project I'm on
We have issues with it as well
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Yeah I ended up making my own component. We needed to be able to click inside the tooltip...
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You can do that if you use the normal bootstrap components, with trigger focus. But not in the react ones
19:28
You can do that without a custom component, but it requires you to manually trigger the open/close state
pretty awkward
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I did that first
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But I didn't like passing it around with refs..
passing what around with refs?
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The overlaytrigger
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Have to access it's methods somehow..
19:30
I don't recall needing to pass it around, but it's been some time
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But yeah it made me mad that it doesn't have the same functionality as the normal OverlayTrigger
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@Shmiddty Oh I didn't mean anything worthwhile really, I just don't like using this.refs
I am leaning more towards native and android(there are many benefits besides not needing to be online or have data). I also like android because you don't need to pay $99(price apple charges) just to be able to test your app on your device.
Sup guys!
I got laid off today :/
I had to have my mom make me a taco to comfort me
@Jhawins indeed. It's the only way to do some things, though.
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19:32
@benlevywebdesign You don't have to.
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In Xcode 7 heh..
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@Shmiddty Yeah true...
Hey so I need advice
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@Taco what happened?
@Jhawins man I sure hope not
19:33
@taco Why?
What do you need for a developer portfolio? I'll be job hunting for dev work
@Jhawins I can't discuss due to paperwork
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@taco Oh that's not what I meant just a jist like do you have to find new work? Is it temporary?
Technically this data is going over the PEER1 network so some IT guy could be packet sniffing my traffic (or if he's lazy he could read the chat logs)
@Jhawins permanent
!!afk back to work, peons
I found that my 17 years of IT experience don't matter. All people care about is my dev time, which is 3 years :(
19:35
@Jhawins you don't? How do test on an actual device? My only experience with trying to test on iOS is through Corona and I needed to have apple developer certificate or something...
3 years experience is good.
around here develoeprs are in high demand
I have 2 years dev experience, and 5 previous years of IT experience
if you can say "semi colon" withotu drooling, you're hired.
or giggling
@Jhawins maybe through the latest release of Xcode you don't need but I think with corona you still do.
Testing iOS app on Xcode?
@Sterling Testing your iOS app on your iOS device and not a simulator
Your device will appear here
Where the list of simulator devices dropdown is
and what happens? You can test on your device?
19:42
Yes
So what do you guys use to show some experience? do you just say "Check out my Github bruh"
It loads an unsigned test version on my phone, and I just open and run it
@taco more or less
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@benlevywebdesign You should research this stuff a little more, you'll like the results. When you use an app accelerator platform that accelerator will churn out an Xcode project for you or a binary. It will also churn out an Android project/apk file. You use those files just like a native project within Xcode to test/deploy to the app store.
I was using corona SDK which is a cross platform SDK and when you compile your app you get options for android or iOS. So with iOS it asks me to have the "certificate" or something to compile it.
android apps are so much easier to test
19:43
I have three job leads - two from former co-workers and 3rd is a referral - , but I want to make sure my resume looks good and I pick somewhere I want to work
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@benlevywebdesign You will not be able to export the binary without a certificate except with XCode 7
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So export the project, compile it with XCode 7
> Turn on USB mode on device
run command `adb install zipaligned_appName.apk`
Test
If anybody has any advice, ping me.... gonna work on my resumé
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@SterlingArcher Or just email yourself lol
19:45
or that
@Luggage where do you live
@SterlingArcher btw, can I get an AFK in here
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@taco I just got my first "real" dev job, so I feel unqualified to judge but I'll look at your resume if that's what you want
Say what?
@Sterling Android is easier to test. All I had to do when I was using Corona SDK was compile my app and have it save it to my dropbox folder and then click on the apk in dropbox on my phone, install and done.
@Jhawins well you were in the market place, so that helps.
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19:47
@taco I always got compliments on my resume so I think I at least did good there :P
@Jhawins linkedin.com/in/luis1 ... I think I need to reference Angular alot more clearly and npm, bower, gulp, grunt, et cetera....
oh and that test crap too
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Oh I went old school PDF
meh
Old school was .txt or a word doc
If not, A4 Letter lol
I think I'm gonna send a PDF of my linked in
They have an option to do that
Next to "Send a message" click, Save To PDF
does anyone know of a good refresh content wrapper that won't require you to click something to see if the thing worked?
@taco Baltimore, MD
19:50
YOURE DAMN RIGHT
I know of front-end positions open, but proably not remote. maybe.
@Luggage did that make any sense?
To me, it did.
@Luggage Now seeking Developers in Baltimore, MD. Must be able to drive to work through monthly riots and avoid having their car molotov'd
ohh the riots are over
now it's just the normal murders
Xenimax is here. there are always people walking about with ESO Dev Team shirts on
up here in hunt Valley, where I am
microprose was here, back in the day
19:53
Normal murders lol
Hey, you're in DC. No different
worse, even.
@Jhawins with Corona SDK there is no way to export the project and its files.
Yeah, I've been getting hassled by a lady meth addict outside the metro for 2 weeks now
Like.. I've never punched a woman but god damn
That was the senator from Georgia
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@benlevywebdesign That can't be true. What if you need to do a feature not supported by Corona?
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19:58
Haha you're right! That sucks. A lot. What if you have a platform specific bug?!
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There are other accelerators.
Corona is the sdk and lua is the language it uses.
PEER1 customer Roblox used Lua scripting for their games
Now that I'm not with PEER1 I guess I can finally say I knew about LEGO World. It' looks pretty badass compared to Minecraft. Roblox helped them somehow
Those are the options.
What Corona SDK is really good for is making games. But you can make other kinds of apps and I made a mobile health tracking app which turned into something like an advanced prototype where it is more than just clicking hot spots on images which do simple transitions for each interaction.
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Cool
20:07
@Jhawins Have you used any app accelerators before?
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@benlevywebdesign yup.
Any favorites
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Appery and Titanium.
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No, they all suck dick.
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They try to abstract too much.
20:09
Well I am not so concerned about creating for both Android and iOS so much but if one of the accelerators allows me to create one project that can be deployed cross platform that would be cool.
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Eww Google docs destroyed it
@Jhawins nice, thanks
Mines too wordy
I always liked the idea where you do as much cross-platform as possible. All the logic and communication and then jsut a thin (but native) layer for each platform
It's 20 years worth of experience though. I guess I need to sum it up better
@Luggage Should've left it as Mayer. Your body is a wonderland
er, thanks?
20:14
@Jhawins I could always go html etc. and then use Cordova or PhoneGap and make sure all files are local...but eh!
web with somethign liek github.com/twbs/ratchet to make it look native? goratchet.com
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@ThiefMaster Hahahahaha
I've heard of Ratchet.
20:22
is there a way to initialize key in dictionary as a literal from variable?
ex) { someValue: 20 } where someValue = 1. i want the dictionary to be {1: 20}, not {"someValue": 20}.
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Jun 9 at 1:04, by Jhawins
$(this)[0]
@gnis [1] = 20;
oh the dictionary has to be anonymous as well..
Seen today in a #StackOverflow *answer* : $(this)[0].getAttribute('src')
@ThiefMaster
20:25
chrome didn't want to fetch yesterday. now it does. great.
!!>console.log({}[1]=2);
@Cereal "undefined" Logged: 2
err... whoever flagged for mod attention to get their CV removed from a chat post - please don't do that in the future
Don't tell me what to do
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@JonClements me, and it was the only way. Sorry
20:26
kidding
tell me how to live my life
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It literally is the only way ;P
@Luggage I did a project where I used something similar called Fries. "Fries helps you prototype Android apps using HTML, CSS, and JavaScript."
@JonClements Why not?
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Nobody else can actually delete it right?
errr - just don't post it it in the first place is a good idea, maybe?
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20:27
Ohh you're just being that guy
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Thanks but no thanks. Sorry I bugged you
it's done - don't worry
Its no longer being maintained but it was good for what I was doing at the time
worrying is not good for health, they say
@Jon nice to see you came into this room too
20:28
neither is mcdonalds
@AwalGarg worrying is the only thing that keeps you alive
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Do you have an alternative? I'm honestly curious now
alt+f4
@benlevywebdesign nice to me here of course :)
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Because this was what was suggested to me long long ago, I've done it, other people have done it, I've suggested to other people to do it :P
20:29
We don't take to kinda to mods of the Python sort in here >=(
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Hmm
who was the guy who told me some command for a nice git history here?
@Sheepy?
@SterlingArcher aren't all mods really snakes of some kind or another?
@AwalGarg git graph wasn't it?
20:30
or git log -graph
!!google git sexy history
@Jon just don't be this "(or a very annoying chat spamming account that frequent this room earlier today)"
@Cereal no a large custom command with some formatting hooks
which I aliased
oh my
Somebody just called my phone and screamed at me in Aramaic
20:30
can someone help me with GPG? I generated a new subkey ("e" -> encryption) for testing purposes. unfortunately i uploaded it to a keyserver. i instantly revoked and uploaded again. now if you search for my gpg key on a key server you see an revoked key. does this look unprofessional (having a revoked key)?
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@FlorianSchneider No
undefined is not a function is going to be the death of me
@SterlingArcher was it Jesus?
20:31
@SterlingArcher oh - don't intend to stay around - just doing you a favour - if that's not appreciated - sheesh no worries
@JonClements hehe you're always welcome here bud. Stop by more!
@wonderb0lt!
@BenCraig Well just stop calling functions that don't exist :P Problem solved
@JonClements Nooo! Stay :(
woof! :p
20:32
someone once said to me that it looks really unprofessional. i checked the keys from some "famous" computer guys like torvalds, schneier and co. they all dont have revoked keys..
@RoelvanUden If only it were that simple :P
It's the elusive badger too!
@Cereal didn't work for me :( but thank you
@FlorianSchneider That someone didn't know anything
@copy so it's unprofessional to revoke a key?
20:33
2 mins ago, by copy
@FlorianSchneider No
but you just said "That someone didn't know anything"
The person who told you revoking keys was bad was full of it
@SamStorie You really when with a material design style website didn't you?
keys get revoked all the time
you sure? i did not find anyone on a gpg server with revoked keys except me :/
20:36
oh, if that's the case, you'll probably need to change your name
I would move out of the country as well, personally
So apparently Will Ferrell has a movie on Lifetime..?
:D ok so it's not so bad? i mean if it would be bad i would be screwed as this shit will stay on gpg servers forever :/ im such so noob. please encourage me.
@BenCraig Maybe try Typescript?
20:38
@FlorianSchneider It's not bad at all
@Retsam Not converting a 6 month project now haha
True.
I just need to fix one of my promise chains
coworker screwed it up
ok thanks. that helps a lot. have you already revoked a key?
@BenCraig just rename every file to .ts, it's a superset, then add types as you go.
20:40
Would that actually help my problem though?
@BenCraig not at all
not even a little bit
in fact, it would probably just confuse things
I didn't read the context :P
I thought you don't ge that in chrome any more?
plus TS doesn't have usable ES6 support yet, so that's kind of bad
Also, use a Proxy.
I dont care about ES6 for this
so meh
20:41
@ssube 1.5 has most of the good stuff
everybody cares about ES6 now, it's 2015 ffs
@phenomnomnominal which isn't out and the defs aren't set up for
i.e., it doesn't work right now like at all
@ssube sure it is, 1.5.3 is the released version
so this is what I am using now. Is there any way to add number of lines added and removed to the message? man git log doesn't show any placeholder for it... log --graph --pretty=format:'%Cred%h%Creset -%C(yellow)%d%Creset %s %Cgreen(%cr) %C(bold blue)<%an>%Creset' --abbrev-commit --date=relative
@phenomnomnominal they haven't announced it, though
@Cereal ^^
20:43
@ssube meh, all the tooling is using it too, so it's as good as
@phenomnomnominal have the typedefs been updated for modules?
@Luggage Ratchet is nice and they do have some android elements but it just seems more focused on prototyping then a more real world situation unless you expand on its core functions.
@BenCraig If your problem is that you keep calling functions on things that don't have those functions, then yes, TS might help. You'd get an error before you ever ran your program saying "X doesn't have function Y" or whatever.
cause it looks like all the typedefs are still using TS module syntax, not ES6, which makes ES6 support in the compiler not very helpful
hmm, Ill look into it. Unsure if Id be able to convince everyone to switch over though
20:46
and 1.5 was supposed to deprecate the custom module syntax
@Jhawins thanks
I think I need a keyboard break
you smoke keyboards?
I have to fart so bad, holy shit
10 minutes left in the day, can I hold it?
@ssube lol
20:52
Should... should we take bets?
my stomach is starting to hurt
can't wait to let one rip
10/10 gonna shit yourself
So the college where I am going teaches only python (in the programming fields)
that's boring aah
I'm finally gonna see Jurassic World this weekend!
20:59
me too
@SterlingArcher Spoiler Alert the dinosaurs kill everybody

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