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12:01 AM
Nice. I need to brush up on my terminology though first. I did a practice interview the other day and said I have no idea to a lot of questions.
 
yeah if you fill out a Hired application you should fill it up with lots of current and relevant terminology
 
It wasn't really that I didn't know, I just didn't really know how to explain stuff to someone over the phone.
 
do you have stuff you can show people? like past projects?
 
I really just wanted to be like, "can you just give a code test/task" and a time limit
Well sort of. I used to do a lot of Web facing stuff, but for the past 2 years I've been working on a saas project that would be hard to show
 
true
but you should definitely but terms like SaaS on your resume
the more acronyms the better :)
 
12:06 AM
Meh. I was thinking of using a recruiter but in my experience they're kind of assholes
 
eh
well whatever you do don't use a staffing agency like robert half
you don't even know how much they take out of your paycheck
 
Lol. Currently there's a "Microsoft evangelist" talking up jquery
 
If you do use a recruiter, make sure you interview with them before they try to place you and make sure they're not just a body shop looking to place anyone anywhere.
 
And he said one of it's strengths is cross browser support.
Ironic coming from a Microsoft guy
 
jquery is very revolutionary and good for all things
 
12:10 AM
And the room's gone stupid again.
 
i'll just show myself out then
 
I was saying it's ironic because Microsoft browsers being shitty was one of the reasons jquery came into existence
Hence the irony
 
@monners Ya. That's why I said practice interview....dude tried to set me up on a python interview, and the a ruby interview....I'm done with that guy...
 
well you gotta hand it to microsoft, at least they're making an effort to improve their browser now
 
12:12 AM
@monners >:(
 
@SomeKittens why do you say that?
 
@Rooster did you click the link? (I made it!)
 
"We need again a super smart front end engineer immediately." looks like I would be a good fit :)
 
@SomeKittens You made that site?
 
@monners yes, please laugh at my inadequate design skills
 
12:15 AM
@SomeKittens Was thinking I should comb through some of my old inMail messages and forward you the good ones
 
Ahahaha. Ya. That all I ever get from them. I got fed up and answered one last week.
Sorry I didn't realize that was a link at first
 
I actually have a recruiter that i trust. They're few and far between, but good recruiters do exist
 
I'm not sure how to escape this damn meetup
 
I can't believe how badly I got burn on a cloudy day
 
This could be a tutorial about jquery 5 years ago.
He took the time to say what case stands for
Css*
Fml they lured me with promise of a good d3 talk
 
12:18 AM
@KendallFrey white ppl problems
 
oh thats racist
 
@hs2345 Welcome to the JavaScript chat! Please review the room pseudo-rules. Please don't ask if you can ask or if anyone's around; just ask your question, and if anyone's free and interested they'll help.
 
!!youtube white and nerdy
 
@monners Yes please!
 
12:21 AM
@SomeKittens you should make those inmail posts more tweetable
like little images of snippets or something
just a thought
 
@nick What am I missing now? Spent a good chunk of the weekend on OGraph & Tweet buttons
 
@SomeKittens wait does it already do that?
 
@monners recruiters are a TOTAL WASTE OF TIME
 
@AwalGarg haha
 
12:24 AM
Invisible people need not apply http://inmailfail.com/article/Invisible-people-need-not-apply.html
@havingagoatit Given your demonstrated technical ability, I'd say applying for any dev work at all would be a waste of your time.
 
@SomeKittens oh god thank you for that link. It's getting me through this nonsense.
 
@AwalGarg "JavaScript, also known as Java for short" i stopped reading after that
 
Ditto^
 
@nick huh. Guess it doesn't on Twitter. I'll have to look into that. It does on FB.
todoList.push(twitterPics); console.sigh();
 
I feel like this guy should be giving a prototype talk instead of jquery. That might go better for him.
 
12:26 AM
@nick there is more silver in the next paragraph, don't stop :D
 
@SomeKittens perhaps , but given your complete lack of understanding of the human condition you probably should only apply for dev jobs .. bellend
 
@Rooster Share and enjoy!
 
@Rooster heckle him
 
Worst part is he's using ie to show the cutting edge effects
 
@AwalGarg "candidates should have proficiency in microsoft excel and microsoft viseo" lol
 
12:28 AM
Is video still a thing
 
@Luggage back in my day we used to throw fruit
 
You had fruit? In my day we had to throw feces.
 
That's a bit shit
 
Well, we didn't have to.. but we did.
 
@Luggage Read that as I was taking a sip of water, almost choked
 
12:30 AM
Maybe next time.
 
Damn now I have to peewee as well. Too bad I can't throw that
 
freeze it, then throw it.
 
can we have caprica auto bin bitly links and post the expanded url instead?
 
@SomeKittens Maybe it's just that you're in SV, but damn do you get some shitty inmails
 
@monners I think one or two were from @NickDugger
 
12:34 AM
They must be outsourcing the writing offshore
 
My email is also easily findable @ my site
so one recruiter finds it, puts it in a database aaaaaaand boom
 
i couldnt find a picture of you
 
!!tell nick google some kittens pic
 
I think my personal favourite was a recruiter that spammed me with the same message three times over two days. I told him to stop or I'd report him. He then proceeds to lecture me on what SPAM IS!
 
12:35 AM
pls
 
@monners you shouldve challenged him to fight IRL
 
@nick I did. His head now hangs above my mantle
It's been outfitted with a singing fish vox for comedic effect
 
well played sir
 
Bam. Able to peace after he finished. Thanks for entertaining me.
 
12:38 AM
I was just playing around on jsfiddle and noticed that it was 72% faster to use an array to store the names of a hash table and iterate that array instead of directly iterating an object pool in Chrome. But I got no performance boost in FF.
 
@Schoening I used that optimization trick recently when I had to store and retrieve large amounts of data with indexedDB.
 
However FF was faster at iterating the object pool
 
yeah same. FF is also very much faster (atleast 10x faster) at storing data in indexedDB than chrome
 
@AwalGarg nice! I was reading about object pools for games and got the idea coz all the other object pools I found seemed to iterate directly over the objects
 
good morning everyone
 
12:42 AM
Oh god. I might have made a huge mistake in my test haha brb
 
what is this object pool he speaks of
 
I am using node.js. My objective is to build a webserver that after hitting the url will call another server for image data and then that image is stored as a file in local server. Now I have designed it..without using express. The design looks like..
 
just a large amount of objects that have to be iterated. Like a lot of units that all have to get moved every turn or be checked for collision in a game.
 
@SomeKittens those recruiter emails really came together. Lots of gold there.
 
@Schoening oh
 
12:51 AM
@NickDugger thank you, thank you.
 
@Schoening have you looked at box2d?
 
@NickDugger you're the first to submit something, by the way
 
boom just booked a tattoo for my bday
 
@phenomnomnominal Hipster
 
@monners we're JavaScript developers. We're ALL hipsters.
 
12:52 AM
@nick yeah it's nice! Right now I don't need physics tho :D
 
I've had plenty of terrible emails. I'll submit more soon
 
@NickDugger WooHoo!
 
@phenomnomnominal I'm a jQuery developer. I don't have the facial hair to be a hipster
 
Also we'd love you forever if you follow us on Twitter: twitter.com/inmailfail
 
@monners oh you should work on that
Don't you live in Melbourne?!
I though you had to have a beard to be allowed in?
 
12:54 AM
@monners wear a fedora bam done
 
@SomeKittens done
 
@phenomnomnominal Yeah, but I'm not from Melbourne (actually, I don't think anyone is)
 
@NickDugger yaaaaay
 
http.createServer(function (req,res){
if(req.url==="/path/" || req.url==="/path")
{
  var request = http.get(options, function(rres){
    var imagedata = '';
    rres.setEncoding('base64');

    rres.on('data', function(chunk){
        imagedata += chunk;
    });

    var buffer=new Buffer(imagedata,'base64');
    rres.on('end', function(){
    var buffer=new Buffer(imagedata,'base64');

    doc.image(buffer,0,0);
    doc.pipe(res);
    doc.end();

    })


  })
}
}).listen(8167);
 
@Schoening ah yeah i guess box2d would be overkill in that case
collision detection always gave me a headache back when i tried to make games
 
12:55 AM
@monners still, #hipster. Melbourne has one rooftop bar per person right?
 
@phenomnomnominal 1.2 actually.
 
I have used this..now it will just give a pdf page with the image in it..but only 1 instance of it runs and then throws an error
 
I need a haircut
 
@nick yeah I agree. I got to making aabb boxes. But I would like to learn more and more about these things. But I do want to learn more about box2d. Or p2.js or matter.js
 
I have a problem
I'm in the national do not call list, getting unsolicited calls, and can't report them because I don't have call display
 
1:04 AM
get call display
 
that's effort
 
@monners I assume you'll go to some sort of old timey barber shop and have a craft beer at the same time?
 
@KendallFrey you think... maybe they scrape and call only ppl on the national DNC list?
 
Well that's a silly question. It's Melbourne, what choice do I have?
 
someone please give me some way out ...
 
1:08 AM
@coderredoc alt + f4
 
@coderredoc out
 
sorry?
 
@phenomnomnominal slow
 
@KendallFrey obligatory is hard to type :(
 
1:09 AM
@coderredoc Hit alt+F4, that'll help.
 
@coderredoc We're being dicks, ignore us
4
 
s/be/suck/
 
ha ha..
 
flagged.
 
^ flagged.
 
1:10 AM
J-fucking-K!
 
someone could look into my problem..is this design (a server request within a server ) correct?
 
ಠ_ಠ
 
not my problem..my 10-15 line code?
 
@coderredoc are you requesting a resource from a different server?
 
yes..
 
1:12 AM
then it's probably fine.
 
the options is
options = {
    host: '1.bp.blogspot.com',
    port: 80,
    path: '/-MqEN-XnIPf0/TbZ_bx2r4-I/AAAAAAAAAD4/aJ8PV1ZHTSE/s1600/P1020965.JPG'
};
 
Sometimes I love client content...
 
[].reduce.call(array, function (x, a, i) { return x.v > a ? { i: i, v: a } : x; }, { i: -1 v: -Infinity }).i
 
1:13 AM
find the bug, JSFiddle can't
 
:not not working :/
 
@phenomnomnominal.: is there a better way to do this? I mean using node.js only
 
@coderredoc copy the image to your own static content folder on your own server...
 
dat comma
 
are you saying this for testing purpose? @phenomnomnominal
 
1:16 AM
@coderredoc no, just because it makes way more sense to do that.
Because what happens if they remove the image?
 
I think not() can't have a list in it
 
No actually there is a small thing behind this..the server that will be used later will surely contain the images uploaded by user..this is just a miniature version of it...@phenomnomnominal
 
@Luggage that.. is... not fair :(
stupid ugly immature css
 
So if I go about storing it..it's huge. memory wastage
 
keep in mind that matches <html> and <body>
 
1:19 AM
it would have been better if we didn't have css at all, rather than this mess of a crap with no intuitiveness
 
@coderredoc you're going to have a server that is allowed to just hit random other websites to get images???!!!
 
No..
 
yes..
 
@phenomnomnominal.:look there will be a server from which I will get the images not random one
 
css is awesome.
 
1:20 AM
but then, why have two different servers?
 
well, with a pre-processor, at least.
 
@Luggage HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
I think you were serious. let me laugh some more, brb
 
actually that is quite a design issue here...
 
@AwalGarg It's alright, you'll like it once you actually understand it
 
the integration server integartes the whole thing...from the integration server we get different documents..etc @phenomnomnominal
 
1:22 AM
I am. I find css intuitive and useful
 
@monners noob, thinking you understand CSS.
@coderredoc I'm bored of your question now sorry.
 
@phenomnomnominal Ninja please.
 
@phenomnomnominal.:okay..thanks for atleast hearing
oops sorry reading
 
#fuckscaling.
 
1:33 AM
lol
don't sit on other peoples cars
 
Nothing like eating microwave chinese and watching Enchanted alone in your apartment on a Tuesday night.
 
in layman's terms, a FFT converts a signal to a frequency graph, right?
 
1:49 AM
@NickDugger I had fresh chinese food tonight
and watched ascension
close enough?
 
I think my computer's fucking with me
 
I need to go to bed... why did I just spend that much time making a simple test pretty... jsfiddle.net/Schoening/8mm12bf3/9
 
what the actual fuck
my microphone isn't actually recording what it's hearing
like what
either my speakers are terrible or my mic is terrible or physics is terrible
and why does my mic filter out the "noise" I wanna hear
i haz a sad
 
2:06 AM
@KendallFrey what kind of mic?
 
headset
 
It's probably filtering everything above about 4kHz?
 
this was <1kHz
 
how much less?
 
2:07 AM
I tried between 100Hz and 900
it would kinda start, then get cut out
obviously some active filtering
 
Human voice normally has a fundamental of <500Hz
So they might just be being stupidly brutal
 
well human voice isn't a monotone sine wave
 
Hopefully not
 
🇰🇷
 
lol, I did get it to filter my voice
took a few seconds
that's kinda sad
 
2:13 AM
🎅🔫👈👶
 
I'm back!
with spaghetti!
 
2:40 AM
I'm back!
With a new hairstyle!
 
I'm back!
With a new array!
 
I'm just here :(
@monners you did what to your back hair?
#braided
 
who wants to help me!
 
whatcha doin` ?
 
I am working on an app to browse the ES spec.
"app"
 
2:43 AM
@AwalGarg ['hip', 'hip']
 
you know, everything is just an app today
@SomeKittens hahahahaha
 
I fell asleep reading the ES spec the other night.
 
> Did you see my new Todo list app?!
 
#whathaveibecome
 
@phenomnomnominal you might not any more...
 
2:46 AM
@phenomnomnominal #cornrows
 
@monners pics or it didn't happen XD
 
@AwalGarg Ew.
 
I don't have a selfie-stick
 
TIL there are sticks to take selfies...
 
!!xkcd lucky 10000
 
2:48 AM
 
@phenomnomnominal Great. The spec is finally doing well! I always thought the ES5 spec was too short.
 
I wonder why they don't write specs in plain english :/ is that some kind of legal barrier?
 
huh?
 
*plain english
 
Specs are REALLY HARD to write
you have to "write" programming in English
 
2:55 AM
the only code part in the spec is in the evaluation sections, which are not much in number.
 
whitespace, brainfuck, regex, asm
 
@AwalGarg English is full of ambiguities
 
just a few i like, no english
 
So they use language derived from English but with ambiguities removed
@CSáµ  REBEL?
 
@Sheepy I was tired, not bored :P
@AwalGarg A spec can't have any ambiguity. English is very ambiguous.
 
2:57 AM
legal barrier confirmed
 
Oh. @KendallFrey already said that :(
 
@AwalGarg Actually and unfortunately, yes it is as good as legal barrier :) Spec is as hard to read as legal text for the same reason. They need to be very, very specific.
 
@phenomnomnominal inb4 biotch
 
@phenomnomnominal Not when you compare it with Chinese. Or even worse, Japanese or Korean.
 
@Sheepy #logicalfallacy
 
2:59 AM
did someone say phallus
3
 
TBH once you get familiar with parts of the es spec, it is not that hard to read. just that navigating it sucks balls.
 
@KendallFrey our issue management tool has a query string filter parameter that has "open issues" as a value ?filter=openissues
2
 
That would be the second time you told me that
 
@AwalGarg Try HTML spec :)
 
@KendallFrey WELL I JUST KNOW YOU LIKE DICK OKAY
 
3:00 AM
@Sheepy oh god it is horrendous
the html5 spec, is probably the worst, and the most ambigous spec ever written.
 
@phenomnomnominal SO chat have an ignore list. I suggest you make use of it.
 
@Sheepy huh?
 
@AwalGarg From the viewpoint of "what a spec should be", yes it is likely the worse. From the viewpoint of "how a spec affects the world", I think it is the best. Which is sad.
 
I only ignore one person haha. @ziGi.
 
@Sheepy But the fact the that it is not good as a spec is very unhealthy. Wonder why there are a fuck tonne of discrepancies between browsers related to html/dom/css but negligible ones between JS engines? whatwg specs are not enough consistent.
even the php spec which is being written by FB is better in terms on consistency than the html5 spec
 
3:07 AM
@phenomnomnominal Ditto
 
@AwalGarg This is exactly why it is sad. To be fair, I think the reason is that HTML spec is much more compatible with old HTML than ES5/6 is compatible with old JS.
 
trading consistency and potentially inter-implementation compatibility for backwards compatibility is silly, IMHO.
 
And also because html+css is more complicated. I can write a JS parser and interpretor on my own. But I know I cannot write a browser, even without JS.
 
@AwalGarg So join the board, fix the spec, fix the internet, heal the world (or stop belay-boring[sic] the same conversation)
 
@Sheepy hey a css parser would be pretty easy. the language definition itself is pretty small
@monners IT IS TOO LATE FRONTEND IS ALL DOOMED
 
3:11 AM
@AwalGarg Looks pretty good from where I'm sitting
 
Parser is easy. I don't think any modern browsers get it wrong now, are there any?
It is the application that is mind blowing.
Just today I found an unreported CSS bug in Firefox with ime-mode... and I think I know how it happened in the code that caused the bug. sigh
 
!!google ime-mode firefox
 
It's something the English community will never worry about, so don't worry :-(
 
That's racist. U racist!
 
3:14 AM
@php_purest hello dear
 
@monners Muhahahaha~
 
Fuck, four hours of work left
 
are you writing css?
 
Yep
Well, scss
 
Browsers should just support scss. We just need a spec. Another "well written, detailed, consistent, unambiguous" spec.
 
3:18 AM
I wonder how it is like to be a professional dev at a fixed job :/
 
@AwalGarg define "fixed job"?
 
It's great, I have money to buy toys!
 
@monners Ha! I'm home, on the interwebs
 
@SomeKittens You're a jerk
Both at work and at home.
 
@monners Speaking of, I have that shipment of banned-in-Australia "special" toys you wanted.
 
3:19 AM
@SomeKittens as in working for the same company at fixed hours with the same people. I don't know the proper terminology for it :/
 
@SomeKittens 20cc or 40cc motors?
 
@AwalGarg we just call that a "job" for the most part
@monners They were out of 20, so I got 40, hope that isn't a problem
 
so how is it?
 
@AwalGarg Not much different from being a full time student. Teachers give you homework, and you do them every day. You do not get rest and you stay longer, but in exchange you can copy your homework from the Internet.
 
@SomeKittens I'll just have to make sure I warm up properly
@Sheepy Ummm, aren't you forgetting the whole getting paid part?
 
3:22 AM
@monners you are forgetting the whole getting laid part
(in college, I mean)
 
@AwalGarg Nope, that's just another perk of having money
 
@monners Sorry I forgot. In where I live, working is the least efficient way to earn money. So as soon as you have more efficient means, it becomes unimportant.
 
@Sheepy I don't know what that means. Are you Arabic royalty or something?
 
@monners I live in Hong Kong. If you own a house, any house, its worth raise faster then most resident's wage, so that you actually have enough income to buy another house. And so on. Not that this is good to the society.
 
@Sheepy We've got that too. It's called Perth.
And Sydney
And Melbourne.
Not Adelaide though. Adelaide sucks
 
3:28 AM
Yes, all megacities have it. But our youths are rioting because they can't afford any house. Some global surveys say we have the worse cycle.
 
@Sheepy Ok... And how is that related to you not needing to get a job?
 
If I resign, I can manage my assets better. And enjoy my life better. I am already cleaning up my projects.
 
if you're interacting with the DOM should paths ever change?
 
@Sheepy Oh, so you're saying you have a house?
 
i was told by someone in the php room that if you're interacting with the DOM you should know your path still, when it could change
 
3:32 AM
@Sheepy Ouch. HK might be worse that SF.
 
@php_purest anchorElement.click() oops
 
@monners You see, even if I don't have one, currently it is impossible to get one just by working. Our degree graduates are refusing to work for the chance that they can win an affordable house in a government housing scheme that is really a lottery.
And we don't have that many degree grads. Most are just sub-degree.
 
@AwalGarg what?
 
@Sheepy Yikes. That's lunacy
 
!!tell php_purest mdn HTMLAnchorElement, .click
 
definately worse than here
 
@AwalGarg what are you talking about?
 
@php_purest if we have an anchor element reference, and we call the click method on it, and it has a valid href property resolved to the current document scope, path will change
 
@php_purest What kind of path?
 
3:57 AM
a server source path in php chat
i was just asking about an id 10 ts view
 
4:09 AM
@php_purest A server source path? Like /public_html/code.php? Why would that change? What is a ts view?
 
I'm trying to explain to the php room how DOM pages work, can someone help me?
 
There's a PHP Room???
 
@monners I wonder who you could be referencing
 
Well, kittens are pretty badass....
 
Yes. They have colonised Earth and is trying to assimilate Human.
Have assimilated, even, some would say.
 
4:23 AM
One cheezburger at a time
There's actually hard science behind why watching cat videos at work can boost focus and productivity
 
By the way, I am visiting PHP room and they are quite patient in listening and explaining to php_purest. It is a very familiar sight.
 
@Sheepy I don't believe it
"PHP room" "patient"
 
The only reason someone'd use PHP is because they're not patient.
Or they're a masochist. Either or
 
@monners Oh. I use PHP a lot. I think I am commonly classified as a sadist.
 
@Sheepy Because you inflict it on others?
You do know the difference between a sadist and a masochist, yes?
 
4:28 AM
@monners Because I love to inflict it on others, yes that is what I was told. I think it is natural. :)
 
My first server-side language was PHP, wish it'd been ruby
 
My first was CGI.
Have anyone heard of that?
 
!!google CGI
 
Computer-generated Imagery
 
4:32 AM
Lol
My first result is Common Gateway Interface. But I have been training Google since last millennia.
 
stop
 
HAMMERTIME!
 
I love Cap6 sometimes
 
I am using on the datepicker Jquery lib . I met some problem
First after refreshing the page I select the package type as weekend both the output is perfect. After that I select it as midweek, and then it is showing midweek weekend which is wrong.... What's wrong is going on ?
 
4:56 AM
@Sheepy too bad cgi is dead now :P
 

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