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11:08 PM
You can use it as a form action in jsFiddle to get an echo of the POST
 
o.o
you can always use echo for post in jsfiddle
 
Ahwha?
Ahh, gotchya
 
the echo post ajax thing is build into jsfiddle
your useful link is completely iunrelated
 
Naw, I meant for posting a form
You can post a form to that link and it will tell you everything that was sent in the query string
I have seen /echo/json for AJAX, but it doesn't work if you post a form to it (that I've seen, any how)
 
@Raynos , your latest article has "invalid date"
 
11:16 PM
@tereško fffff
thats defiantly a bug
 
.. ya think ?
 
I thought it was corrupted data last time
 
@Raynos - "Your own code" section, being at the top, sets the tone for the rest of the article as "a big troll"
If you don't have thoughts on that front, why go in to it? It seems like you started the choice to write with the idea that you were going to talk about three things: a library intended to extend natives, a general purpose library, and a.... third thing
 
Fixed date
@Chris sorry, a big troll?
The thing about your own application code is that its code you control
 
Not that that's what the article is, just that by starting it off with a section like that, you're setting a tone for the rest of the article.
 
11:19 PM
and its code no-one else uses
I dont get what you mean by "im setting a tone"
 
Like the mood, the ambiance, the "attitude" of the piece.
 
should I change the order
 
Like as I start reading past the intro, if I didn't know you I would have probably stopped reading
Yes, or remove the section, or at least throw in the general "what starts as 'my code only' might turn in to code that other people will have to use"
And that being the case, the best practice is: ...
 
No, I genuinely meant your own application code can do whatever you want
I meant it's your code, no-one else uses it. You make the trade off for / against extending natives
There's nothing wrong with personally choosing to extend natives. There's a big problem with someone else making that choice for you
 
And, you can mention mootools under libraries that extend natives if you want to attract some extra butthurt fanboys
Ah, n/m. mootools would be a general purpose library
Yeah, I personally would stick the "your own code" section at the bottom. Good article, though :)
 
11:24 PM
I re-ordered the sections
 
Like
(I still get "Invalid Date")
 
Refresh... FFFFF
 
Still.
 
Why did that happen
 
If you just add jQuery...
 
11:26 PM
Should be fixed
It has zero client-side js so far
 
Yep, all set.
Is that hosted on node?
 
yes
click the github link :p
Open sauce good-ness
you can debug it if you want :D
 
@Raynos , additionally , you should not keep the date in the same font/color as the content , and leave it so close to the said content
look at the "Server architecture with node" article .. its a tiny design disaster
 
user1385191
using an h2 as an article title and a section title doesn't jive
 
11:29 PM
.. oh , you have added RSS
 
@tereško Don't see what you're talking about. It is obvious to me that the date/time is separate from the body
 
The reason the data is broken is because I send fresh json rather then merging it into the body
 
user1385191
you could probably get away with an h1 as the post title and then h2s for section titles
 
user1385191
as a rule of thumb, I give each heading an id and wrap the text in an anchor tag
 
I would edit it to use h3 but then I have to fix the date again
 
11:31 PM
@Raynos Just downloaded. I haven't touched node yet, so I'll use your blog source to get my feet wet. Hope you aren't poisoning my mind :P
 
@Chris I recently refactored that code
I'd say it's actually quite nicely done now
 
It'll do for an intro to node, at the least.
 
@Chris if you have installation / building problems leave an issue
 
k
 
user1385191
<h2 id="sectiontitle">
	<a href="#sectiontitle" title="sectiontitle">
		Section Title
	</a>
</h2>
 
11:32 PM
@Chris also leave an issue saying "RAYNOS Y U NO COMMENT ANYTHING" with specifc mentions for what is not obvouis
I have a bad problem of not commenting any application code and heavily commenting any library I write
 
user1385191
@Raynos h3s are too small
 
Comments are evil now, anyway
 
@MattMcDonald they would be if I didnt bumb up the default style of all the hx
 
user1385191
keep in mind they're barely bigger than 1em (about 1.17em)
 
user1385191
given the situation, I'd recommend an h1 for the title and an h2 for the sections
 
11:33 PM
@Chris pro tip : github.com/Raynos/raynos-blog/blob/master/package.json lists all the 3rd party libraries I use
 
user1385191
a table of contents is also very helpful
 
@MattMcDonald I use an h1 for Raynos
 
user1385191
yes, but an h1 is proper for an article title as well
 
11:33 PM
h3 -> 1.5em
 
user1385191
yuck
 
@Chris github.com/Raynos/pd/blob/master/src/pd.js#L56 illustrates the way comments should be done. Single block comment at the top of the function
 
@Chris , @Raynos , i am talking about this :
 
@tereško "y u small screen"
I know theres lots of design problems with my site, it needs fixing by rewriting the html / css
I ported it from the old html / css
 
11:36 PM
@tereško in Firefox, the date doesn't ride so low.
 
well .. i am not using forefox, or am i
 
 
user1385191
it's interesting how bbc does their markup
 
user1385191
h2 on the nav, h1 on the story title
 
@tereško opera bug >_>
 
user1385191
11:38 PM
put the date on the bottom
 
user1385191
it's metadata
 
@MattMcDonald There are a few things in HTML5 that I think are open to interpretation yet. For instance, the way Raynos puts the blog titles in a header tag... that's how I would do it, but then what about hgroup
 
user1385191
bottom-right is probably a good spot for it
 
Seriously though, yes theres a bunch of things wrong with the html/css It needs to be rewritten
 
user1385191
welcome to HTML authoring :)
 
11:39 PM
Welcome to HTML authoring: you are ALWAYS doing it wrong
Welcome to Javascript: you are ALWAYS doing it wrong
etc...
 
user1385191
there's also about a 1 second FOUC
 
I'd rather have a 1 second FOUC than any duration of FUPA
 
user1385191
you can get around that with a "default state" stylesheet that does the centering and backgrounds (most dramatic changes)
 
user1385191
it's likely the font loading getting in the way
 
@Chris whats FUPA ?
 
11:42 PM
Home time, later folks. @Raynos I'll let you know how it goes, but it won't be until this weekend that I have any real time to devote, everything else would just be a drive-by and not do it justice.
 
@MattMcDonald agreed, google fonts suck, removing it on next iteration
 
user1385191
whoa
 
@Raynos Google image search FUPA, I don't want to put it in words.
 
user1385191
opera's got some awesome CSS modes
 
user1385191
"table of contents" might be of interest to you
 
11:43 PM
FF10 also has awesome dev tools
 
@MattMcDonald Does that show you the document outline?
 
@MattMcDonald I think my posts are too small for table of content
also md and table of content is real pain in ass
 
user1385191
 
user1385191
writing for a table of contents is a frame of mind, really
 
That looks like a document outline to me, but there's no other heading elements on that page
 
user1385191
11:45 PM
once you get in the habit of placing anchors/hooks for headings, it becomes natural
 
 
user1385191
 
user1385191
(more opera CSS goodies)
 
I think that is taking into account sections in relation to the headings
@MattMcDonald Those are cool
Does Opera have a total replacement for all the features in Firebug?
 
user1385191
dragonfly is pretty nice in all honesty
 
user1385191
11:48 PM
the console is hit and miss, but the rest is nice
 
user1385191
the ability to make HTTP requests is great
 
Firebug's console has issues of its own though. I'll have to check it out - I've always ignored Opera beyond "yet another browser I have to test in"
 
Added some architecture overview to the blog github readme
 

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