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1:00 PM
Market manipulation doesn't end at the regulated fora. Everything is protected by laws (well as long as the company is listed in Europe).
 
seems silly to be able to pay for a coffee using bitcoin, but apparently everything can be paid for using bitcoin
 
I had a discussion with someone that I can easily fashion a proof-of-work cryptocurrency on top of git :D
 
@rlemon at least the most common one and we can't track any transactions really
at least in government prespective
 
@Neil While I would hate to use non regulated currency for trading. The idea of using any valuta through a digital medium isn't more silly than using NFC in your phone to pay. Or your credit card number, or even a bank account number.
 
All I need to do is make a post-receive hook that only accepts commits whose hashes start with 00000 or something, and pay anyone who manages to push a commit :P
 
1:02 PM
how can u sue someone who have taken ur bitcoin and gave u nothing in return , what is the leggal actions at this point ?
 
@za001a If you know who they are? Of course you have legal action
 
@MadaraUchiha u wont know who they are in the darkweb
 
Currency has long lost a direct relationship with tanglible economic products. (since euro - the dutch guilder was always officially backed by an amount of gold, if new guilders were printed the state also had to buy x-ounces of gold)
 
@za001a So don't go into the darknet
 
@MadaraUchiha that is not my point ... other ppl will
 
1:03 PM
@za001a That is their problem
 
and this makes all crimes much easier
 
"If I get stabbed by a masked man in an alley in the shady part of town if I walk by myself at 3AM with a fat wallet, do I have legal action?"
 
@MadaraUchiha it's our problem dude lol
 
@za001a In theory, yes, in practice, not so much.
 
In practice it doesn't happen because we have a state protecting us.
 
1:04 PM
@MadaraUchiha in theory and practice ... Yes , it will happen
 
And if such alleys exist I would directly bring this up with my local authorities and they'd place lights and surveillance.
 
@za001a BitCoin exists for over a decade now...
Have you seen a steep spike in crime due to it?
Can you show me numbers that support that claim?
 
@MadaraUchiha yes.
 
@paul23 Link
It's mostly shady business practices and shady blockchain consultants that surfaced with the rise of BitCoin
 
The whitewashing by banks in europe in particular was made easier due to bitcoins
 
1:06 PM
@paul23 That's not the kind of crime we're talking about though
8 mins ago, by za001a
@rlemon not joking , till this point bitcoin is not secured by any government and no one claim responsibilities on it , u can purchase drugs , guns on dark web even hireing a Hitman or fake passport ... u know how this can destroy any system

but if bitcoin is useless and no one can purchase valuable stuff by it anymore like food it will eventually die
 
@paul23 if you dont know how government works then its litting a virus spread in ur body we can all say that its not going to do anything but a private company that doesn't have government watching over their shoulder is enough red flag
 
Also, of course you can track all of the transactions, that's the point of the blockchain, there are twitter accounts that follow the wallet IDs of known ransom hackers and tweet every time someone sends them money
 
i'm not aganist it
its just not safe now and no one should support it till it get legalized
 
@za001a It is legalized. You're claiming that it should be illegalized, or at least, regulated.
 
@MadaraUchiha does the goverment have any branch that can track down all its transactions and force them to follow the money laundering rules ?
no they cant they could be funding isis or nazi or whatever...
 
1:10 PM
@za001a Enforcement !== legality.
 
but bitcoin isn't money. legally.
it's something we put a monetary value to
 
Also, who says I trust the government?
 
@MadaraUchiha BItcoins are not a legal monetary replacement in europe. It's illegal to use cryptocurrency as anything else than just "goods".
 
@MadaraUchiha the goverment work for u , bitcoin work for there agenda ...
it could be the same agenda or could be different ones
 
@za001a BitCoin is a piece of technology, it doesn't work towards anyone's agenda any more than jQuery does.
 
1:13 PM
@MadaraUchiha not a piece of technology , the idea is but not itself
 
Bitcoin is a pyramid scheme though, an elaborate one but it's still a pyramid scheme due to how "mining" works together with how they are traded.
 
how..
in the world is it a MLM scheme?
 
wow , let it fall till they allow the a goverment branch to look over there shoulders like any other bank
 
Early adapters mine "easier", and the things they mine gain value the more people trade in it. - Thus they improve their value by adding more people to the "cryptocurrency pool". - Now those people also mine, but those mines are slower due to more already mined, However their mined stuff increases in value if they also make sure more people start using it.
 
that's not a pyramid scheme.
 
1:16 PM
@paul23 It's no more a pyramid scheme than investing in a company while it's young and it blows up in value and you make 1000 times your investment while others who enter later make less (or even lose)
 
its like electing a bad president lol
 
The difference between that and a pyramid scheme is that there's no guarantee that BitCoin would be worth anything at all for those who enter 10 years ago, and they hope that it would in the future. Also, I don't profit if I bring more people.
 
Yeah that's why investing should only be done by the government.
 
for all i know it's only alive as long as you give it a value
 
@paul23 I have news for you, the stock market in the US is a for-profit business, not a part of the government.
 
1:18 PM
if u let it die it will have to follow the rules to be alive again
 
@paul23 the majority of their "investment" budget comes from private sector...
 
@za001a so... like everything?
 
@rlemon more like everything in ur wallet
 
@MadaraUchiha Have I ever said I like the us or anything related to capitalism/neoliberalism they try to enforce on the world?
 
no.. everything
nothing has value until we put it to it
we are the value definers.
 
1:19 PM
yes but money doesn't lose value almost
 
tell that to any country that has suffered hyper inflation
 
@paul23 nope. Bitcoin transactions are allowed. It is just not "acknowledged" by the national banks. If something goes wrong then you are not protected while you are when using your bank card.
 
everything else u purchase loses value within 12 month in avrg
 
the largest items I've purchased all retain value or gain value over time.
consumer goods, sure.
 
I'm a strong proponent of socialism and true democracy in small scale system where everyone cares for each other.
 
1:21 PM
@rlemon fyi, do you know the inflation rate in Venezuela? I was quiet for a moment. I used Zimbabwe as an example of bad valuta management. But I am now using Venezuela because what they are doing is so absurd.
 
> you are now banned from the USA
 
I have had enough of airpods, I know I am gonna hate the cord!
 
anyway . don't let shady currency be a part of ur life , put presure on it till it follows the national banks protocol , i can support it then
 
why not audiotechnica or sennheiser?
 
@KarelG Had M50x's at home, don't like the sound stage
they kill mids
Good Sennhiesers are way too expensive
I got these for 94 quids :P
 
1:23 PM
meagar! 😬
 
Senns would be over 140 quids
its just a meagar mod 😉
 
@za001a on the flip side: don't let shady government controlled currency be part of ur life, put pressure on your elected officials until they decentralise your national currency and stop letting big banks make money off me while limiting the ways I use my income.
you can really argue this from both ways.
best to just follow your own advice and let the cards fall for everyone else.
 
*looks at the avatar* It is just me 😉
 
Countries should be split up till you don't need a government.
 
I'm all for government btw, that was factious
 
1:24 PM
Or well, the government is actually personally known by all people.
 
@rlemon at least u can see face to argue with when it comes to government
 
social programs make my life so much better.
 
@paul23 like what you got during medieval ages?
 
@KarelG are you hapy with my answer? lol
 
Like the greek city states
 
1:24 PM
I'd buy the HD 880s if I were saving that much :)
 
national banks protocol is what made the system as crooked as it is now. I wouldn't hope Crypto currencies would follow this.
 
you let democracy rules and u will be fine @rlemon
 
This would be doing the exact opposite they were supposed to be created for
 
@ShrekOverflow yes sure. You gave reasonable arguments
 
Or like vatican/monaco/Liechtenstein/luxembourg.
 
1:25 PM
😀
 
i use m40x myself
 
I love the M40x for their price
but my music needs strong vocals
and bass
 
on the flip side let idiot decisions rules and u will be sorry and endup with a lying orange lol
 
I don't have that mid issue. but lol. don't expect me to figure out that
 
@za001a there isn't a lot of countries right now that can produly say "we are a democracy"
 
1:25 PM
hearing impaired :P
 
@za001a we've got Ford
@KarelG 😬 I need to make an appointment
 
@dievardump that is a problem all of us should work on instead of working aganist eachother u know
 
Yeah, but banks are the main reason those are not democracy.
Wanting to follow the current bank system is wanting to be ruled by a bunch of devils
 
Canada is technically a constitutional monarchy, we just pretend to be a democracy
 
@dievardump as long as u have lawyers and goverment u can keep pressing them and stear them to the right direction
 
1:28 PM
You're a nice idealist. I like this. I think it's funny, but I like it.
government are as crooked as the bank. They owe everything to banks.
 
@rlemon are both not separate of each other? I mean, you can have a country that have both
I can speak of that :D
 
@KarelG we function as a democracy
so yes, we can have both
 
all power is at the federal parliament yet all laws has to be signed by the king to make it official.
 
@dievardump i might be but either fix it , replace it or burn it all down and rebuild a new one , its hard but not imposible
 
I was just speaking to simons comment that very few countries can actually call themselves a pure democracy
 
1:29 PM
a right.
 
Bitcoin is for me a joke, but I think there are some altcoins that are bringing something, with the idea of smartcontracts and the assets that can be generated/identified/owned with it.
 
i agree
 
Was going to add that france is a republic and has democracy as well
 
France is right now in a state where it's not a democracy anymore.
The current president should have gone 6 months ago if it was. Or a least made big changes in his politic.
 
assuming the french people can simply vote away an acting president at any point
 
1:31 PM
Nope. We can't
 
it may be that that's not possible unless a crime was committed
 
you don't know what a democracy is
there are rules of the game.
 
@KarelG was that in reference to what I said?
 
If Macron did something that leads to an impeachment, then the parliament can vote for that.
 
America isn't a democracy
 
1:33 PM
From the moment the elections results can be dictate by media, because they are owned by people very rich and that want one man to be elected, you can't call it a democracy anymore
 
@dievardump It's a joke that's got a $70B market cap vOv
 
@DavidKamer it is, your country only have weird rules to elect a president and form a government.
 
America, by every definition on the federal level, is a Republic.
 
they are a democracy and a republic
they try to take the best of both
in theory it should work well
in practise.. only sometimes
 
I don't think you can simply make Trump step down if you wanted to.. there has to be an underlying reason
otherwise we're stuck with him
 
1:34 PM
@dievardump there have been dumb people in the past as well. Such people can be convinced easily to vote for yourself if you can sell yourself well.
 
@MadaraUchiha I know. The joke is for me hat you pointed out : most of it is just fake. I love the idea, I'm in 100%. But what people do with it, the speculation and everything, is the opposite of what it should be. It shouldn't even be capitalized in fiat
 
Democracy is one of the least bad government structure
 
@KarelG that's not the question of being dumb. That's a question of being manipulated by all - or almost - medias
 
The US has no direct democracy at the federal level. We only vote for representation, therefor our federal government is only a republic.
 
The ability to get manipulated is a matter of intellect, having ability to think critically
 
1:35 PM
Nope. Nothing about intellect
 
very intelligent people get manipulated all the time by loved ones.
breach of trust has nothing to do with intelligence
 
YOu can think critically but still be manipulated by the truth everyone tells you since you're born.
 
also ^
 
Mob rule is the most natural form of government, so I'd argue Democracy is just a civil, non-murderous, anarchy.
 
Republic is not in ay way a contrast to a democracy or dictatorship or aristorcracy.
It is in contrast to a monarchy.
 
1:36 PM
monarchy is stupid.
what is this? 1650?
 
modern monarchies are not monarchies in the traditional sense
 
Republic just means that hte head of state is "chosen" - by whom isn't of importance.
 
the queen has no more power than some representative of state
 
but they still give power and influence based on who you are rather than what you can do
 
she's just a figurehead
 
1:37 PM
maybe stiffened power
but still power
 
What you mean is that the US is an aristocracy.
 
@rlemon as a Canadian, are you ready for the Queen's wrath for saying such a blaspheme against God's chosen ruler of Canada???!?!?!?
 
no because she hasn't had power here in 40 years
 
The current system force people to work ~10hours a day. 8 to sleep. 6 to live : laundry, cooking, managing house, managing family, a beer at the bar. Where do you want them to get educated ? Media. Television. Etc...

But if the media, the one you entrust to reflect what is actually happening around, is the one that manipulates you, than it will be reflected in all you do. Because your truth will be from the start a manipulation.
 
it's ironic in a way.. if the queen of england actually used her power to the extent of it, she probably wouldn't remain queen for long
 
1:38 PM
@paul23 I'm curious where you go that from?
 
she has power that she can never use.. so it's like she doesn't have power
 
We're all ok with the fact that half our life is working. Someone put that in our head, it didn't come alone. And that is for sure a big lie, but we all abide with it.
 
It is ruled not by the public directly (demos + cratos) but rather by the "elites/best few" (aristos + cratos)
 
that's due to corruption, not because it's supposed to be that way
 
@Neil she does control the armed forces, and with an unarmed population, she's one order away from dictatorship at any moment
 
1:40 PM
@dievardump Imagine the alternative
It's not that bright.
 
@DavidKamer dictonary woorden.org/woord/republiek
 
Universal revenue is a very bright alternative. And it will come. While we're alive.
 
@dievardump Uh-huh, and who would clean your streets, dispose of trash, provide healthcare?
 
@paul23 do you have one that isn't in Afrakaans or whatever that's in lol?
 
@MadaraUchiha give it time. automation should (in theory) put us in a place where this can be possible.
in our lifetimes.
probably won't work out that way...
but here's hoping.
 
1:41 PM
Robotisation will enforce it. People will need something to live from, because companies rightfully decided to put automates in their place.
 
@rlemon That brings a different problem
 
sure, and not everyone will not "want to not work"
 
@MadaraUchiha that's when SERVICE will become more valuated than anything
 
lots of people
so we have a choice to work or not. vs now when we have to work
 
1:41 PM
It is not normal nowadays that people cleaning our shit are the less paid
Service will become the job to do, because it will be the most important job
 
@paul23 That seems to exactly describe the USA
 
The problem isn't there, the problem is that the financial systems in place are not setup for this sort of concept
 
no system is
 
A republic (Latin: res publica) is a form of government in which the country is considered a “public matter”, not the private concern or property of the rulers. The primary positions of power within a republic are not inherited, but are attained through democracy, oligarchy or autocracy. It is a form of government under which the head of state is not a monarch.
A republic (Latin: res publica) is a form of government in which the country is considered a “public matter”, not the private concern or property of the rulers. The primary positions of power within a republic are not inherited, but are attained through democracy, oligarchy or autocracy. It is a form of government under which the head of state is not a monarch.In American English, the definition of a republic refers specifically to a form of government in which elected individuals represent the citizen body and exercise power according to the rule of law under a constitution, including separation...
 
everything will have to change. gradually
 
1:42 PM
I'm not saying the US isn't a republic
 
I agree that eventually we'll reach a point where 90% of people won't have a job simply because there won't be that many jobs
 
I'm saying the US is an aristocracy + republic
 
like I said, it probably won't be the utopia it can be.
 
Government decide to put 0.01€ tax on every transaction, paid by banks
 
but there is a chance
 
1:43 PM
But I don't see that as a bright golden future where no one needs to do anything
 
just like the Netherlands tries to be a democracy + monarchy.
 
@paul23 oh definitely. We have our own brand or oligarchy involved though
 
@MadaraUchiha I see more like the Star Trek future. TNG era.
 
I never said not having to do anything
 
people can work. and many do
 
1:43 PM
I see that as a future where most people live in poverty and are unable to sustain themselves, because even though we have time to prepare for that inevitability, we suck at this.
 
Universal revenue is not about not doing anything
 
but you don't need to work to live a nice life
 
It's about being able to live, and do something that has meaning for ourself
 
Hey guys, sorry to interrupt your debate :) Got a question for you :)
 
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1:44 PM
Nobody wants to do nothing. Really it's boring. People tend to want to do something.
 
I wanna retire and make tables and grow beans.
 
It's a nice fantasy. But I predict that it would take decades of most of the population living in poverty, maybe a country or two imploding, for that to happen.
 
Look no further than the people who own the newspapers, TV channels, etc for who the oligarchy is. I think it's the owner of CNN that has the most land in the US?
 
I think in 30 years most european country will have it.
 
Things don't happen until enough people die for there to be a Twitter stink on it.
 
1:45 PM
30 years (maybe 40?), universal revenue in most of europe
 
I don't trust the foresight of our governing bodies, 'tis all.
 
@DavidKamer I'm honesty wondering what caused the mistrust of media the last 10 years.
In the US specifically.
 
@MadaraUchiha hmmm.. I'd argue this is a pattern that needs to stop. Emotional decisions are bad decisions.
 
@DavidKamer Oh, you think?
 
It will be necessary. It will be an obligation. We won't have job for people. If we want them to eat, we will need to do something.
 
1:46 PM
What in anything of what I said implied to you that I think that it is a positive thing?
 
If we look just a little bit further back, so say the time of nixon: the media were actually actively considered "amazing" and fighting for democracy.
 
@dievardump Who is this "we" who want them to eat?
 
What caused this big swing in public opinion of the media the last 20 or so years in the USA?
 
If we're talking about 'Murica, it's basically their fault for being poor.
Damn poor, why don't they just buy more money or something?!
 
The people. If we, the people, want other people to not starve and die, then we, the people, will have to enforce the universal revenue, because of automates
 
1:47 PM
@paul23 probably the introduction to alternative sources of news. I looked back on some stuff from the 90's and when you start to think about everyone only getting their news from CBS, you start to think about how these companies act like it still works that way even though we have access many other opinions, making it easier to spot what is opinion and what is fact and how ready they are to blur the line between the two
 
@paul23 media continued to swing farther and farther to the left until it was to the point where the bias was undeniable
 
That, and why polarizing society suddenly starts to happen is what I wonder.
 
At that point, you started seeing media channels swing the opposite direction
 
Wondering if possible to download and rename a file/files by an user input. So for example I have : www.example.com/images/test.jpg and i want to download and save it as blabla-bl-1.jpg ?
 
Wait what, the new media is considered "left" there?
 
1:48 PM
@dievardump Uh-huh, and when, since maybe the french revolution, have the people united in such a way to force the government into bettering the lives of the people given the situation?
 
@AnotherUser31 yes
 
So media is no longer "unbiased".. they're all over the place
 
Have you seen what's going on in Venezuela?
 
Your news agencies would be considered "Radiacal right" in europe.
 
Because americans don't understand what socialism is. They see it as a bad-word
 
1:48 PM
Especially fox and cnn are far right.
 
@dievardump Socialism works until it doesn't
 
It works until banks are not nationalized anymore
 
@MadaraUchiha Sweden, Denmark?
 
socialism turns the government into a gigantic business engine
 
Even the EU countries have free markets and competition
 
1:49 PM
So long you have the bank to work for the country, and not for greed, socialism should work.
 
@rlemon can you help me please with some ideas or point me to some examples ?
 
Problem is people. Even the most socialist people can get greedy
 
Honestly you're just cherriepicking the bad examples.
 
@paul23 That's why living in Europe sucks now lmao
 
@MadaraUchiha yes under pressure from the USA.
 
1:49 PM
and any entity, government or otherwise which doesn't have to make changes or cuts to stay in business is going to be a rusty broken engine which accomplishes little
 
@dievardump Which is exactly why you need a system that works despite people, and not thanks to people.
 
@AnotherUser31 <a href="yourfile" download="yourfile.png.gif.pdf.exe">totally not a virus</a>
 
Yeah USA and Canada forced this thing in ou throats (free market and dumb stuff like this)
 
any kind of Marxism is morally wrong
 
No any form of capitalism is against humanitary rights.
 
1:50 PM
greed isn't the problem.. the reason why you get new and innovative products on the market is because they're out to make money
 
you can't just take from someone because they have more without asking the question "am I stealing?"
@paul23 which rights?
 
capitalism has its share of problems, but what it does right is economy
government simply needs to keep them in check
 
The right for having equality.
 
I'm not against capitalism, as long as it is really surrounded by rules that ensure it won't do harm to "the people"
 
I suppose it must be nice to be able to trust your government to not be corrupt and handle taxes fairly and transparently
But I don't have this kind of trust in mine.
 
1:51 PM
@paul23 that's not a right
 
@dievardump I totally agree with you
 
Look it matters what you feel is more important: personal freedom or equal rights.
 
@paul23 No, that's not what this is about.
 
if being equal was a right, you would all have to be the president or something ridiculous like that
 
I know why I didn't come here anymore. Losing hours of work in sterile debates. (don't get me wrong, I love debates, but I can't lose hours anymore)
 
1:51 PM
It's what's more important: Equal opportunity or equal outcome.
 
@paul23 How are those mutually exclusive?
 
@paul23 they're the same thing
 
@DavidKamer but it is - it's part of the french revolution which started modern democracy and upon which modern democracy is built.
 
And I claim that equal opportunity is more important.
 
@rlemon what if I have multiple files and I want users to input something like OLDNAME,NEWNAME ? The main urls is always the same and number of files could vary from 1 to 7 so NEWNAME-1,jpg, NEWNAME-2.jpg and so on ? Nice that with totally not a virus :))) you guys rock !
 
1:52 PM
fratenite liberte egalite.
 
you cannot have equal rights if you don't have personal freedom
 
@dievardump fun, aren't they? :)
 
If I am more talented than you are in a field, taking from me and giving to you because you are weaker is not fair to me.
 
@MadaraUchiha Sure that's a valid point, I claim it's not.
 
@AnotherUser31 okay, so you can figure out how to seed the download attribute with a dynamic name.
but the answer to your question is the download attribute
 
1:53 PM
@DavidKamer Sure you can. If no one has rights, they're all equally unfree
 
because their are personal freedoms that you may want to express that others might not want to. Picking and choosing personal freedoms makes you unequal with people who have other interests than you
@KendallFrey love it
 
@paul23 you can't have equal outcome.. that's ridiculous
 
@paul23 Let's say that you are a better programmer than I am
 
not everyone can be president.. but you can guarantee everyone can try to be president
 
@MadaraUchiha Why not? In a void situation we could even just abolish "ownership", ownership is a structure the modern society has formed over time - but it's not necessary a given.
 
1:53 PM
Does it seem fair to you that the state enforces that we both get equal wages?
 
@Neil Neither can you have equal opportunity
 
Yes.
Heck it seems more fair that the state doesn't give wages at all.
 
@paul23 Do they teach anything about the USSR in European schools?
 
@paul23 The state isn't giving me wages
 
@DavidKamer that depends. I got some parts from
 
1:54 PM
My employer does
 
equal wages for the same amount of work, yeah why not.
 
@KendallFrey no, but you can at least make a decent attempt at that
 
@KendallFrey hehe, now I wanna watch Equilibrium
 
But the employer is forced by the state to pay this and that for this and that job.
 
You work for the state - everything is to better humanity as a whole.
 
1:54 PM
@KarelG Did they teach about totalitarianism?
 
the government isn't about making humanity better as a whole.. the government is about maintaining the status quo
 
@dievardump But it's not necessary equal amounts of work or equal quality of work
 
Of course they did
and of course I know the drawbacks.
 
@paul23 who controls the state?
 
@paul23 I don't work to make humanity better, I work to make myself able to eat
 
1:55 PM
If people aren't rewarded for their good work accordingly, what kind of incentive do they have to improve?
 
but I consider the drawbacks of capitalism much worse than those of marxism.
 
@Neil If that was true, why would they be making new laws?
 
@MadaraUchiha Because they care intrinsic for each other.
 
@paul23 A balance is to be struck
 
as far as the government is concerned, if nobody is rioting and the people in power stay elected, the government is perfectly happy
 
1:56 PM
just like one cares for his childs, one would learn to care for the small community.
 
@KendallFrey to stay elected :)
 
What's the point of being elected?
 
@MadaraUchiha In the context you describe, so long you do what you like, what is the problem? You don't need to compare with what others do. Do what you like, the way you like it. If you want to go a bit more slowly, then do it.
 
@paul23 That's very heartwarming, but that's simply not reality.
 
As that's something you grow up doing, it obviously only works with peopel who were thought those values from an infant up.
 
1:56 PM
define "better", less mentally ill people? I don't think that makes the world better, but some people might (look at history) better is so subjective that the power entirely in the hands of the totalitarian lead to things like holocausts and soviet work camps
 
The reality is that the only thing you can trust is that people will act in their own best interests.
 
@MadaraUchiha lol, can't trust that for a minute
 
That's because you were tought to do that that is a truth that was tought to you, not a real truth
 
And it's your job as a governing body to make it so that their best interests align with the community in general and your own.
 
see obesity epidemic, smoking, etc.
 
1:57 PM
@MadaraUchiha It's because you've been taught to not care for each other, and been taught through life to at the end only chose for yourself.
 
the only thing I trust is my TP, and it lets me down occasionally.
but I still believe.
 
this isn't the "default" behaviour. - Actually some recent studies have shown that "working together" is maybe even a bigger force for evolutionary leaps than competition.
 
@paul23 Tell me, why do you not pay more of your money to taxes?
 
@MadaraUchiha The best interest is that everyone get a minimal revenue. Education get better. General health too. Economy goes up.
 
It would be for the betterment of everyone if the government had more money to work with
 
1:58 PM
@MadaraUchiha Because I need the money to survive.
 
I guess it would make some sense that Europeans wanted totalitarianism. I don't know if we'll be able to come over there and free you this time though...
 
And yes everything I don't need I tend to give away to local community projects.
 
@paul23 We're not here for evolutionary leaps, we're trying to make a healthy society
 
@paul23 the biggest leap in human evolution is when the aliens came down and got freaky
 
@paul23 Please, are you going to tell me that you only keep the bare minimum you need to survive and give away the rest to your state?
 
1:58 PM
duh
 
I call BS
 
> When the people find that they can vote themselves money that will herald the end of the republic. -Benjamin Franklin
 
The Nephilim (Hebrew: נְפִילִים, nefilim) were the offspring of the "sons of God" and the "daughters of men" before the Deluge, according to Genesis 6:1-4. A similar or identical biblical Hebrew term, read as "Nephilim" by some scholars, or as the word "fallen" by others, appears in Ezekiel 32:27. When people began to multiply on the face of the ground, and daughters were born to them, the sons of God saw that they were fair; and they took wives for themselves of all that they chose. Then the Lord said, "My spirit shall not abide in mortals forever, for they are flesh; their days shall be one...
 
@Neil beautiful
 
@MadaraUchiha Ok, I can't nor won't convince you otherway - but you're now fighting me on a personal level instead of based on argumentation.
 
1:59 PM
@DavidKamer that'll be 10 cents for the quote please :)
 
@DavidKamer that got shown in history classes, as one of the political concepts.
 
@Neil a penny saved is a penny earned
 

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